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    Brian Berletic, Update on

    Moskva Cruiser Sinks, US Sending More Weapons, US Admits Russia "Shapes" Ukraine Battlefield

    https://[youtube]ngbYjs9WEXM[/youtube]
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngbYjs9WEXM
    Didn't some French reporter just declare that US is on the ground and calling the shots in Ukraine, yesterday I think.

    Good to see Brian Berletic being talked about, I enjoy his summaries of things happening.

    I did also search out David Zhang, who used to have a good program on YT but now works with Epoch Times, another good source for reasonably unbiased "news"

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    Brian Berletic, Update on

    Moskva Cruiser Sinks, US Sending More Weapons, US Admits Russia "Shapes" Ukraine Battlefield

    https://[youtube]ngbYjs9WEXM[/youtube]
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngbYjs9WEXM
    Didn't some French reporter just declare that US is on the ground and calling the shots in Ukraine, yesterday I think.

    Good to see Brian Berletic being talked about, I enjoy his summaries of things happening.

    I did also search out David Zhang, who used to have a good program on YT but now works with Epoch Times, another good source for reasonably unbiased "news"
    You mean this one?
    https://twitter.com/StarboyHK/status...29724508545029
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    Russophobia....

    https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1515006105025679368


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    https://twitter.com/raam_beart/statu...08263543816207


    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status...03119989661697
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    Posted 8 hours ago

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    https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/sta...46462341537792


    https://covertactionmagazine.com/202...gical-warfare/

    Ukraine War Reveals Possible U.S. Preparations for Biological Warfare

    War in Ukraine turns people’s lives and affairs upside down. Dirty laundry, previously hidden, is on display. A Russian communication on March 6 mentions “evidence of an emergency clean-up performed by the Kyiv regime was found—aimed at eradicating traces of the military-biological program in Ukraine, financed by @DeptofDefense.”

    A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson two days later spoke of “26 [U.S.] bio-labs and other related facilities in Ukraine.”

    White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki responded, saying that the United States “does not develop or possess such weapons anywhere.” Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland indicated “Ukraine has biological research facilities …[and] so we are working with the Ukrainians [to] prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces.”

    The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists reported that, as of February 25, “a network of U.S.-linked labs [existed] in Ukraine that work with dangerous pathogens.” Those 26 such facilities are “public and animal health labs.”

    The gist of the Chinese and Russian communications is their claim that the U.S. Government is doing bio-warfare. In that regard, the “Richard G. Lugar Center for Public Health Research” in Tbilisi, Georgia, looms large. The U.S. Defense Department’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) paid for the Center’s construction and for its operation, between 2011 and 2018.

    Richard M. Lugar Center for Public Health in the outskirts of Tbilisi, Georgia, home to the Georgian National Center for Disease Control and Prevention and U.S. Army Medical Research Directorate-Georgia
    Richard G. Lugar Center for Public Health Research in Tbilisi, Georgia. [Source: mrdg.health.mil]
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    Scientists at work in Richard Lugar Center. [Source: ge.usembassy.gov]
    Bulgarian investigative journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva produced a report in 2018 alleging the Center had bio-weapons capabilities. She claimed that most of the Center’s staff were U.S. citizens enjoying diplomatic immunity and that at least three U.S. companies were doing bio-weapons research there. She indicates elsewhere that biologic specimens arrive by diplomatic pouch.

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    Dilyana Gaytandzhieva [Source: globenewswire.com]
    Gaytandzhieva’s extraordinarily detailed report displays dozens of official U.S. documents and graphics. She points out that DTRA-funded private companies carry out bio-weapons research and testing in laboratories and facilities located in Georgia, Ukraine, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Africa, and at Fort Detrick, Maryland, and the Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. U.S. government apologists have dismissed the report as Russian-inspired propaganda.

    The distinction between offense and defensive preparations has ostensibly been clear as regards Fort Detrick. A “biological weapons program” existed there until 1969 when, as ordered by President Richard Nixon, it became a “biological defense program.” Apparently, no such official demarcation between offensive and defensive purposes has been applied to similar U.S. research installations elsewhere in the world.
    One of the U.S. bio-laboratories abroad is Battelle Memorial Institute, “a $59 million subcontractor at Lugar Center” that, according to Gaytandzhieva, operates laboratories in eight countries across the globe and, as of 2018, “has been awarded some $2 billion [in] federal contracts” and ranks 23rd among U.S. government contractors.

    Columbus-based Battelle is at the forefront of battling the coronavirus: 5 facts about the nonprofit firm - cleveland.com
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    As of that year, the Southern Research, Black & Veatch, and Metabiota , Inc.—which is financed in part by Rosemont-Seneca Partners, an investment firm whose founders included Hunter Biden—were operating one or more of the 11 Defense Department-funded bio-laboratories in Ukraine.

    In a report published in January 2022 by CAM, Gaytandzhieva identifies the “US Federal Contractor Registration” as documenting that “DTRA allocated $80 million [to Black & Veatch] for biological research in Ukraine as of 30 July 2020.”

    She charges that the contractor did more than merely fund the labs—as suggested by Victoria Nuland—but instead has been responsible for their day-to-day operation. Cited as evidence are “internal documents” showing that “independent experts were denied even a visit” to the laboratories.

    Metabiota launches epidemic risk modeling platform & index - Artemis.bm
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    Ominously, scientists funded by the Defense Department have developed a new way of transmitting viruses to plants. According to a Science magazine article in 2018, the Defense Department initiated a program named “Insect Allies” in 2017 and would continue it for four years. Biting insects are being studied at the Lugar Center in Georgia and presumably in other laboratories included in the multinational U.S. bio-weapons network, such as those in Ukraine.

    The scientists have arranged for genetically modified viruses to infect insects that then go on to transmit the fixed-up viruses to plants where they alter the plants’ properties. Critics, mainly in Europe, doubt the peaceful purposes of the new methodology. They fear that the technique of “lab-modified self-spreading viruses” may ultimately be used to harm humans and animals.

    USA crop failure: Could DARPA Insect Allies save harvest or become biological WEAPON? | Science | News | Express.co.uk
    [Source: express.co.uk]
    Commentary from the Max Planck Institute in Germany interprets the Science magazine article this way: “[T]he findings of the Insect Allies Program could be more easily used for biological warfare than for routine agricultural use.” It cites a legal opinion saying that “the Insect Allies Program could be seen to violate the Biological Weapons Convention” (BWC)” which took effect in 1975.

    The information assembled here pertains to the accusation put forth by the Russians that the U.S. government is operating a “military-biological program” with, implicitly, offensive capabilities. U.S. officials have offered nothing that absolutely refutes the claim.

    There are two aspects of the relevant biologic research that move the narrative from suggestion to possibility. First, bio-medical and bio-industrial products are developed for both peaceful and war-making uses. Secondly, some military products are readily repurposed from defensive to offensive use.

    At issue is a merging of purposes. A representative statement from officials in The Netherlands in 2013 makes the point:

    On the one hand, many pathogenic organisms are very important to research and development in the fields of medicine, biology and agriculture. However, some of these organisms can also be used to develop biological weapons that may pose a threat to public health and the environment. The term “dual-use research” can be extended … “Dual-use research of concern” is the type of research that could be misused directly and whereby such misuse would have major consequences.

    And from the Nuffield Council on Bioethics, November 2015:

    [The] Biological Weapons Convention prohibits the development, production and stockpiling of biological weapons, but does not prevent states conducting research activities for peaceful and defensive purposes. However, distinguishing between permitted and prohibited activities is difficult at the level of basic biological research where the same techniques used to gain insight and understanding about fundamental life processes for the benefit of human health and welfare may also be used for the development of biological warfare agents.

    While the purposes of this kind of biological research may be ambiguous, our conclusion here is less so. Specifically, we think that it’s quite possible that the U.S. government actually has been preparing for offensive biowarfare capabilities in Ukraine, and elsewhere. So far, not much information or evidence has cropped up as to deny that possibility. And besides, a grim historical record does exist that moves the matter of possibility quickly into the realm of probability.


    That record includes previous resort to biowarfare, particularly in association with the U.S. war in Korea. Analyst Jeffrey Kaye in 2018 provided a readable version of the International Scientific Commission’s 1952 report on claims that, earlier that year, the U.S. military had carried out biowarfare “in an experimental fashion” against civilian populations in China and Korea.

    Korean War, insects, biological weapons, women
    North Koreans catching disease-infected flies cultivated in U.S. Army bio labs that the U.S. Air Force dropped over North Korea during the Korean War. [Source: whowhatwhy.org]
    The prestigious British scientist Joseph Needham led the Commission, and the World Peace Council sponsored it. The report consists of a 60-page summary and 600 pages of documentary material. Kaye states in his article that, indeed, “the report concluded that the U.S. had used a number of biological weapons, including use of anthrax, plague and cholera, disseminated by over a dozen different devices or methods.”

    Cuba also fell victim to U.S. bioweapons. For example, a “U.S. intelligence source” told Newsday that “operatives linked to anti-Castro terrorists introduced African swine fever virus into Cuba in 1971 …[Soon] an outbreak of the disease forced the slaughter of 500,000 pigs.”

    It is also highly probable also that U.S. operatives introduced hemorrhagic dengue into the island in 1981, with lethal results. Circumstantial evidence indicates strongly that a State Department crop-dusting plane widely disseminated the “plant-eating insect” Thrips palmi, and soon vegetable crops were destroyed.

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    The Cuban government accused the U.S. in December 1996 of releasing Thrips palmi insects that feed off crops. [Source: insectomania.org]
    Lastly, the record shows that the U.S. government only too easily has accepted that masses of humans are going to suffer and die. We recall:

    The nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the conventional bombing of Dresden that sickened and killed hundreds of thousands.
    Pursuit of wars, in Korea and Vietnam, in which millions died, plus wars and occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan that took the lives of hundreds of thousands.
    Complicity in massacres in Indonesia and Latin America.
    Institution of economic sanctions that killed or incapacitated hundreds of thousands in Iraq, Cuba and Venezuela.
    Support for repressive regimes like apartheid South Africa and Saudi Arabia that killed and maimed.
    A government that has done all this and lied about it, is likely lying again about the biolabs in Ukraine and plans it has for causing further devastation in the name of “national security.”
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    For reference, this is the Tupolev Tu-22M3, a supersonic bomber that's 130 ft long with a top speed of Mach 1.65. I doubt if Ukraine has any of these.


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    Regarding Azovstal, some of the tweets coming out..

    https://twitter.com/ILRUSSO1/status/1515011055243644944


    https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/stat...62627214540802


    Posted 9 hours ago
    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...21260748361731

    Posted 18 hours ago

    https://twitter.com/Fireblade577/sta...81656527228931


    https://twitter.com/_TheRepublic_/st...27341671550980
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    Mariupol Sitrep

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    https://twitter.com/NuestraIraSLG/st...67817380528141


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    Hi All !

    I just came back from hospital earlier today, heart attack and so on 2 months ago, sigh!
    Taking all the bloodthinning medicine opens up for getting brainbleedings wich happened to me the ,what day is it today?

    Anyway they let me out from that , If I say I love you all, dont undermistaste it /(my letters dony add up)

    Thanks Bill for keeping this forum allive and kicking.
    Iin dire times like this we should all feel close to each other.

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    I'm not following this thread or the news about the war closely. Is there a relatively objective picture about what's happening? To put it simply, who is winning?!

    Is it indeed much tougher for Russia as the mainstream media say or is this duration of conquest normal?

    In the last couple of decades, the general belief among the masses was that a modern war could only last for a few days at most, because of our advanced tech.

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    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    I'm not following this thread or the news about the war closely. Is there a relatively objective picture about what's happening? To put it simply, who is winning?!
    Russia, overwhelmingly.

    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    Is it indeed much tougher for Russia as the mainstream media say or is this duration of conquest normal?
    Far faster than "normal".

    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    In the last couple of decades, the general belief among the masses was that a modern war could only last for a few days at most, because of our advanced tech.
    Only if everything is ruthlessly bombed to glass in the sand with no regard for civilians, preserving infrastructure, or anything at all.

    The Russians have been at pains if at all possible not to knowingly or deliberately damage civilians or civilian infrastructure, and have actually been very focused, disciplined and restrained. Power and water are still working (as is cellphone communication and internet), and trains are still running. All that is deliberate and was always part of the Russian strategy.

    In Iraq, by contrast, the Americans near-psychopathically destroyed everything and everyone in their sights that either did or didn't move.

    And the Russians have been treating captured Ukrainian soldiers well, such as the 1000+ who surrendered to the Russians after emerging from the Ilyich Iron and Steel Works in Mariupol a couple of days ago. Several hundred had been injured, some seriously so. They were all given proper medical attention immediately.

    Again, this is in marked contrast with the barbaric and almost unbelievably cruel, sadistic and horrific treatment of Russian prisoners by the Ukrainians. There are videos of these things linked in this thread, but if you watch them you may not sleep well — a caveat suggested very seriously. What some of the Ukrainians have been doing to captured Russians (and innocent civilians) is pure evil, and there's no other word for this.

    NONE of this has been reported in the western media. And that alone should tell us all something quite important about all this.

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    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    I'm not following this thread or the news about the war closely. Is there a relatively objective picture about what's happening? To put it simply, who is winning?!

    Is it indeed much tougher for Russia as the mainstream media say or is this duration of conquest normal?

    In the last couple of decades, the general belief among the masses was that a modern war could only last for a few days at most, because of our advanced tech.
    Follow Scott Ritter, and a few others in the ilk of Gonzalo Lira, if you want to have a much better sense of what is going down in the Ukraine. Do not believe western MSM for a second. Listen to or read MSM for the false counterpoint, so you know what the spin is, but do not believe it. And, take everything with a pinch or grain of salt.

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    Thank you for the recap! It's very helpful for someone who wants to know the point that the war has reached at the moment.

    This is not an hymn to Russia in anyway, but the strong neo-nazi presence in Ukraine and the deep corruption of the state (even in comparison to western countries) were always available as information to the public. Yet here we are, watching Zelensky casually unshaved, in heroic t-shirts, doing what he always did best: acting.

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    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)

    Is it indeed much tougher for Russia as the mainstream media say or is this duration of conquest normal?

    In the last couple of decades, the general belief among the masses was that a modern war could only last for a few days at most, because of our advanced tech.
    [ The "benevolents" have forbidden nukes, but that's a whole other subject for another thread ]

    I don't think 'duration' is a factor in the real battle between the real players here. And, unless the Swiss/City of London/ Vatican side change the rules, War exhaustion isn't going to be Russia's problem before it's every one else's problem.

    I got an email from my own brother this last week asking what I thought were 2 stupid questions that were not based in reality, so I asked him where he was getting his information from. He's watching telly, and has one dead and one still living Royal Marine son that his now cranky off her rocker with bereavement wife boxes him in with, programmed, "go-get-em, the enemy is over there" not overhead scenario. I know I couldn't last a day in that house, and I feel for him.

    They are trying to knock chunks off Russia's dominant position, who knows, they might get lucky, after all, we are not supposed to expect anything truly healthy as an immediate outcome yet because the real powers that be have still got a few nefarious items on their check list before the really big standoff between the really big contestants, if you know what I mean. They haven't even succeeded in creating a state of Assyria yet, they are behind schedule, getting further behind, but the schism between the Phoenix group and the Dawn group is going to plan, the Dawn group are coming out on top. That's the group that's going to launch their Antichrist as soon as they can get it together, late or not.

    Um, if this doesn't answer your question . . . . . I don't know what will.
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    Published 3 days ago (12 April) by Greg Hunter of USA Watchdog:
    The West Needs WWIII – Martin Armstrong

    Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong thinks the New World Order’s so-called “Great Reset” plan for humanity now needs war to try and make it work. It could happen in the next few weeks. Armstrong explains, “What they are trying to do is deliberately poke the bear.... They are increasing the pressure on just about everything under the sun. The West needs World War III.

    They just need it. The real problem here is they went to negative interest rates in 2014 in Europe. They have been unable to stimulate the economy, and Keynesian economics have completely failed..... I would say this is mismanagement of government on a global scale. The problem is that central banks have no control over the economy.

    Add to this, this type of inflation is substantially different than a speculative boom. This inflation is based upon shortages. These morons with covid.... with lockdowns, ended up destroying the supply chains. . . . Things that are there, I buy extra of because next time it might be gone. So, everybody is increasing their hoarding.... So, what we have with Europe, with its negative interest rates, they have wiped out all the pension funds. They need 8% to break even, not negative rates.

    There is not a pension fund in Europe that is solvent at this stage of the game.... The European government is collapsing. If they end up defaulting, you are going to have millions of people down there with pitch forks storming the parliament. So, to avoid that, they need war.... The Biden Administration has deliberately destroyed the world economy.”

    If there is war in Europe, the “U.S. dollar will get stronger initially and not weaker” according to Armstrong. Armstrong also says, “This is all deliberate. There is no return to normal here. Unfortunately, this is where we are headed.”

    Armstrong contends, war in Europe could break out in a couple of weeks, and the EU and NATO are pushing this. Armstrong says, “They want Russia to do something.... This thing with Russia is the same thing all over again. Unfortunately, we are headed for war.”

    Armstrong also talks in detail about the following subjects: Digital currency and why the Deep State is pushing so hard for it; gold, silver, food and just about everything going way up in price because of shortages. Armstrong recommends that people “stockpile two years of food.”

    Armstrong has other tips for what the common man needs to stock up on; Armstrong also says President Trump is the only President he knew that cared about U.S. soldiers dying in combat. This is why Trump wanted to bring the troops home, and the Deep State warmongers hated him for it. Armstrong also gives his predictions on who wins the midterm election this coming November. Will it matter which party comes out on top?

    In closing, Armstrong says, “We are not getting back to normal. The system is crumbling from within, and it’s just like the fall of Rome, basically. (There is much more in the nearly 1 hour interview.)

    https://rumble.com/v10qt9z-the-west-...armstrong.html

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/vy4n9z

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    Here is The Saker’s blog/assessment of the Special Military Operation, Day 50.
    Some highlights,

    “The result is FUD - Fear Uncertainty Doubt ”

    “And the worst implication is:
    Yes, the united West wants to genocide Russians by means of genociding Ukrainians. It cannot get any more openly satanic than that!

    “I remind you that the USA’s wealth is based on how much the USA profited from both WWI and WWII. So why not with WWIII as long as it remains within the confines of the European theater of operations? And that will be doubly true if Russia loses.”

    https://thesaker.is/day-50-of-the-sm...oming-clearer/


    Day 50 of the SMO – are things becoming clear(er)? (UPDATED 2x)

    So now we are 50 days into this Special Military Operation (SMO) and right in between the end of the first phase and the beginning of the second one. So I want to begin by list a few things which were unclear/ambiguous/misunderstood and which now are becoming clear(er):

    There is this saying “no plan survives the first contact with the enemy” which I would even expand to “no plan survives the first contact with reality”. Why? The first one is obvious, the enemy will try to foil your plans, but the second one is less known: in war there is always a large element of chaos simply because your entire country and your military are in one mode up until the initiation of combat operations and because they have to very quickly switch over a completely new reality. The point is therefore not to stick to plan A at any cost, but neither is it to ditch it all and reinvent the wheel. What is needed is a quick response time to identify the problems and fix them. I would say that with this in mind, the Russian military did a very good job by quickly transforming an integrated Ukrainian military capable of strategic operations into a broken-up entity with its various parts isolated and unable to support each other. What is my evidence for that? There has not been a single Ukrainian counter-attack higher than on a subunit (battalion, company) level. Considering that the Ukrainians have the double advantage of being on the defense and having a larger force, this is truly a remarkable achievement. Add to this the money, weapons and intelligence support from the US/NATO and it is nothing short of a triumph.

    The clueless RT still has this on its webpage even though the Moskva sank 24 hours ago!

    At the same time, Russia as a whole, and especially the military, did an absolutely awful job talking to the public, both in Russia and in the West. See a typical example of the image on the right. The only mistake the US PYSOPs made was that they really “overdid it”, which profoundly angered and alienated the Russian public which went from “what is going on?” to “we are in a fight for our very survival” very quickly and most Russians are now in what I would refer to a “WWII” mode: total warfare until total victory. In the West, however, the US PSYOPs truly triumphed and totally defeated the Russian counter-propaganda efforts which, the truth be told, were primitive, clumsy, slow and even self-defeating at times. Does that matter? Yes, very. Why?

    Because most people in Zone A sincerely and truly believe that “Russia is losing the war”. Now these are the same folks who until February of 2021 were all virologists/epidemiologists/microbiologists/etc. and who in a remarkable feat, became overnight military experts and now are sincerely advising the Russians on how to wage a war. The fact that no “real” war has even begun does not elicit any second thoughts or doubts in these “experts in everything” folks who simply don’t believe that some matters require years of training to achieve the expertise needed to understand even the basics. And no, as Andrei Martyanov always points out, a BA in communications or a law degree do not make you into a military expert overnight (by the way, I notice a very large “overlap” between the COVID death cult members and the armchair generals).
    Objectively, there is also a double language and culture barrier at work here. Very few folks in Zone A are fluent, or even conversant, in Russian and even fewer understand the Russian mindset. So if all the English speaking media (including putatively pro-Russian ones – more about those later) says something it makes no sense to expect most English speakers to find the correct Russian language Telegram channels to get the other side of the information. As for RT and Sputnik, in their naive and clumsy efforts to appear “objective” they just reinforce the western propaganda narratives.
    Then there is an interesting phenomenon that became very apparent over the past 50 days: there are quite a few websites and blogs that PRETEND to be pro-Russian but, in reality, that support is conditional on Russia supporting their agenda and if Russians do things differently those putatively pro-Russian outlets quickly take up the exact same talking points as the US PSYOPs. There are also a number of PRETEND “liberal” or “Leftist” or “Anti-Imperialist” websites which were ALWAYS CIA-operated but which, over the years, acquired some (totally undeserved) credibility and which have now suddenly “flipped”. Pro-Nazi “liberals”, got to love that…
    The result of all this? FUD: fear, uncertainty and doubts of course.

    Even worse are the implications of this FUD on many levels:

    It gives the folks in the West a sense of impunity and it almost totally conceals the magnitude of the dangers the Empire of Hate and Lies is facing today: from real food shortages to an economic collapse, and even to a continental war in Europe. After all, if the Russians are losing, then “we” must be winning, so all is well. Not very bright, but oh so human…
    It angers and frustrates the Russian soldiers actually doing the fighting who are living in fear not about a heroic Ukrainian counter-offensive, but what the Russian government (at all levels and in all branches) will screw up next. Want an example? Sure! How about this: until senior LDNR official began to openly complain about the Russian customs the latter did not allow non-governmental humanitarian convoys to cross into the Ukraine. This was solved, now the next one is this: how to organize pensions for the families of Russian volunteers who fight in the Ukraine?
    It greatly encourages the Ukrainians to fight this war down to the last Ukrainian and to total destruction of the Ukrainian civil infrastructure. Yes, the united West wants to genocide Russians by means of genociding Ukrainians. It cannot get any more openly satanic than that!
    Having said all of the above, we now need to step back and only make some very basic predictions:

    What began as the “special military operation” is now turning into a total war of the united West against Russia and that means that the goal for the West is not peace, its victory, and a Russian defeat. My personal conclusion is that the West will only stop doubling down if the US homeland itself is threatened by Russian conventional and nuclear strategic deterrence capabilities.
    The Russians are slowly but surely coming to the realization that in spite of all the concessions and retreats made by Russia since 2013 the Empire of Hate and Lies will not stop by itself, it will have to be stopped, by Russia. Again. As the VDV motto says “nobody but us”.
    The Ukrainians have no agency, and neither do the Eurolemmings. In fact, the USA is using both the Ukronazis and their EU serfs as cannon fodder because their calculation is that if Russia wins, then the Eurolemmings will become not only terrified and even more subservient, but also that the EU will burn itself down removing a competitor. I remind you that the USA’s wealth is based on how much the USA profited from both WWI and WWII. So why not with WWIII as long as it remains within the confines of the European theater of operations? And that will be doubly true if Russia loses.
    My first conclusion here is that a direct military conflict involving NATO and Russia is now likely.

    That, by itself, is simply horrible, but here is a simple truth: if the Anglos, yet again, want to burn down the European continent there might not be anything Russia could do to prevent that. And forget about the suicidal Eurolemmings. Russia can win that war, and she will, but yet again at a huge cost.

    And that is exactly what the Anglos want.

    So is there a silver lining here or is it all doom and gloom?

    In fact, there is: the reactions of the Russian public to the rather ambiguous and sometimes outright weird stuff members of the Russian government, at different levels, have been doing and saying. Like that terrible Medinski presser which totally freaked out most Russians. Or the rumor that Abramovich (!) is negotiating between Moscow and Kiev. Oh I know, that is just another rumor, but considering the DISMAL job of Russian information operations that rumor, and hundreds more, are making the public weary and angry.

    And the general public itself, rather than any government officials, started to react to this kind of dangerous FUD by something we could think of as a grassroots counter-propaganda campaign. For example, while the letters Z and V have been banned in the Ukraine (and in Latvia, Moldova, Greece and even in some German states) they are literally all over the Runet and you could say that Z and V have now become part of the Russian alphabet and that they are now often used to replace the traditional Cyrillic Z (З) and V (В).

    And now Slovakia is declaring that the Nazis in Kiev are “fighting for the future of Europe“.

    Basically, the EU politicians have now de facto rehabilitated the Third Reich. At least now it is official.

    Heck, since that war began, even Uber-Atlantic-Integrationist Medvedev has turned into a patriotic hardliner!

    So maybe it will be the “Russian street” that will teach the so-called “specialists” how informational warfare is done? I sure hope so!

    The other major power from Zone B, China, immediately understood what this was all about: “West’s ban of ‘Z’ symbol a manifestation of its Russophobia“.

    Yup, the letter Z is now serving a somewhat similar function to the Star of David in Nazi Germany.

    Then there are the many iterations of the following slogans “our cause is just“, “the enemy will be defeated” and “we will go to the end!” which are also all over the Runet. Note that all of these slogans are strongly associated with WWII in the Russian mind.

    And then there is this: the, shall we call them “poor communication skills”, of the Kremlin have resulted in a real ****storm of angry protests and freakouts so the Kremlin had to tone it down by a lot. Yes, Putin PERSONALLY is very popular and trusted (over 80%), but not the government or, even less so, mid-level or local government officials. It would not take much (another major SNAFU for example) to trigger angry protests.

    But if anybody is to be truly credited with reassuring the Russian public that no “negotiators” will backstab the Russian military, that honor should go to the “Biden” Administration which “convinced” Zelenski to stop any and all negotiations and to restate the Ukronazis most extreme demands (including the LDNR and Crimea). Now that truly made negotiations not only pointless but pretty much impossible.

    Thank you “Biden”!

    I also want to use this opportunity publicly express my deepest gratitude to Josip Borrell, the Eurolemming’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, for declaring “this war must be won on the battlefield“! When EU *diplomats* use that kind of language, it has a quasi-miraculous effect on the wannabe “peace camp” in Russia. Even RT (!) seems to have smelled the coffee and now we can find an article entitled “It appears that the West doesn’t want peace in Ukraine“. No kidding, geniuses!

    As I have mentioned it in the past, I am personally very much in favor of negotiations and even talking to the enemy during a war, but that should be done very discreetly, very carefully and with the clear “message” to the general public if these negotiations, or leaks about them, are made public. If you cannot negotiate without freaking out your own people, then don’t try, you will do more for peace by shutting up and staying at home. If instead of using the insect-like Medinski (he reminds me of Blinken, same “I am a loser” look) Putin had sent Ramzan Kadyrov the perception about “negotiations” in Russia would probably be very different today.

    So what is up next?

    A major battle around the Donbass cauldron
    NATO convoys moving into the Ukraine
    The collapse of the “the Russians are losing” narrative replaced by
    A Russian “atrocity” of some type
    The western media will begin to “discover sins” amongst those they lionized until now (see image)
    The full dimension of the economic crisis resulting from the collapse of the international economic system will become much more apparent, especially in the EU.
    What about the Black Sea Fleet – can it operate without its flagship?

    As I mentioned yesterday, I am not a navy person and neither do I know what plans the Russian General Staff had for the BSF. But I can say this: Slava-class guided missile cruisers were designed in the 70s as aircraft carrier destroyers. For this purpose, they were equipped with very powerful missiles, superb (by 1970s standards!) S-300F, OSA-MA SAMs, 6 AK-630 point air defenses, and a lot of (old) electronics. Since there are no aircraft carriers in the Black Sea, I suppose that the Moskva main role was as a command ship (its main canons don’t provide the range needed to support amphibious assault operations) and also as a relatively powerful mobile, floating, radar. The Moskva was hit by something about 50km south of Snake Island which means that she was also probably watching the movement of ships near/from Romania. Frankly, that is not a task for a guided-missile cruiser.

    [Sidebar: as to what actually caused the explosion, my personal best guess is a Ukrainian mine detached by the recent storm and drifting southwards which the Russians failed to detect. That would explain the hull breach which later resulted in the Moskva taking in water and sinking while in tow. I still don’t buy the “Ukrainian 2 “Neptunes” version at all, if only because the Moskva had very solid air defenses while bad weather makes minesweeping very hard. But we will probably never find out for sure, unless the members of the crew reveal what really happened]
    Considering that the Ukraine has NO navy at all, I don’t see how the loss of the Moskva would hamper or significantly complicate any BSF operations (navy folks, please correct me here if I missed something!).

    The Moskva also had an important role in the eastern Mediterranean (Syria) and yes, there is probably where she will be missed the most. I hope that this loss will provide the impetus to massively accelerate the modernization of old Russian (well, Soviet, really) ships and the construction of new ones.

    I would even be inclined to think that the deployment of hypersonic ASM has not only made aircraft carriers obsolete (at least against Russia) but, by the same logic, has made old Russian/Soviet “carrier hunter killers” obsolete by implication. Nowadays, even SMALL missile boats can fire Russian hypersonic missiles thousands of kilometers away, so why bother with really big ships in anti-carrier operations? Range? Okay. Firepower? Okay. Bigger and better sensors? Okay. But not in the Black Sea. And not with a minimally modernized 1970 era ship.

    Conclusion:

    There is no doubt that Russia fought superbly during the SMO and there is no doubt either that the Russians probably calculated that “just” a SMO would be sufficient to achieve the Russian goals (immediate: protect the LDNR, intermediate: denazify and disarm the Ukraine and long term: change the European and world collective security arrangements) was wrong. It is now becoming almost certain that a real, much larger, war to crush the Ukrainian military will be needed, and it will have to be fought with much larger forces and means.

    The Empire of Hate and Lies has decided to “go max” and is acting exactly as it would be in preparations for a much larger war in Europe. For example, with the steady stream of mass expulsions of Russian diplomats, there is a very real possibility that Russia and the US/NATO/EU will sever their diplomatic relationships, something traditionally considered as the last step before a declaration of war.

    One of the best things the Kremlin could do now is to carefully study how the Iranians since 1979 (!) managed to successfully:

    Never be drawn into a war they did not want (except the one launched by the West and the USSR following the Islamic Revolution which Iran won, by the way)
    Deter the Anglo-Zionist from direct attacks on Iran
    Survive both sanctions and even a blockade
    Defeat US PSYOPs (remember Neda Agha-Soltan?)
    Actively assist in the liberation of other countries around the world and, especially, the Middle-East
    Superbly combine political pragmatism with deep religious piety and idealism
    Preserve their economy (albeit with major difficulties, but not collapse!)
    Preserve their Islamic societal and civilizational model
    Remain truly sovereign
    Maintain a rock-solid morale throughout it all
    If Iran could do that, why can’t we? I have an answer to this question, but I won’t offer it until the end of combat operations.

    As I have also mentioned many times, Russia is a project, a ‘moving target’, a society that is recovering from at least 300 years of foreign domination (especially spiritual and political) and a society that is STILL changing, very fast in many aspects.

    Yes, Russia has a superb military and immense resources. But that is not enough.

    Some say that the next “New Russia” was “born in the LDNR”, and I hope that they are right, not in the sense that Russia needs to copy all the decisions (often bad ones too!) of the LDNR, but Russia does need to purge herself from those in positions of power who are just stuck in the past or unable to adapt to new realities.

    Can Russia denazify the planet? By herself, no. At most she can militarily destroy all of Zone A, but only in a mutual suicide act of desperation (the US nuclear triad is still mostly functional, in spite of its problems). But can Russia and the rest of Zone B denazify the planet? Absolutely. Even “just” Russia and China together are more powerful than the rest of the planet combined, add India to this and you have a truly unstoppable force.

    The Empire is already dead, but like a stinking unburied corpse, it still has enough “toxicity momentum” to continue to threaten the planet until the USA is both denazified and disarmed. That will take a lot of time, even with the recent massive acceleration of the pace of events.

    So no quick fix, no quick solution, no quick victory (or defeat for that matter). This is not want Russia wanted, but that is what she got.

    May she make the most of it to transform herself into the civilizational realm she was for centuries. That could be the biggest homage to those fighting for the future of Russia today.

    Andrei

    PS: I want to remind you all one more time that if the USA and Russia openly and directly clash militarily, I will immediately “freeze” the blog until the situation is resolved in one way or another. I am a guest, a legal alien (“Green Card”), in the USA and it is not my role to speak if my country of current residence and my country of ethnic origin are at war with each other.

    UPDATE1: I should have mentioned that there have been large demonstrations in Serbia in support of Russia. So far, Serbia is the only country with a strong pro-Russian part of the population. No, not all, of course but MUCH more than in any other country, at least that I am aware of. I want to thank all our Serbian brothers and sisters for standing by us!

    UPDATE2: Russian sources are reporting that the nonsense at the border has resumed again, and folks are waiting for hours and even days to get across the border. If true, this sounds like outright sabotage to me.
    Last edited by Ravenlocke; 16th April 2022 at 01:03.
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