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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Telegram is turning into a mess, lots of contradictory information even on trusted channels. Perfect example of why everyone needs to do careful critical thinking and the usual "don't believe everything you read on the internet"

    First, ASB Military posted this:

    https://t.me/asbmil/4928
    Quote Whew, okay, this is going to be a difficult post to explain as we’re going to describe an hour long footage (that we cannot post)

    We’ve had the chance to watch a footage from a western mercenary or “volunteer” fighting near Kherson against Russia, as part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

    As you know, we remain analytical and tell the good and the bad, regardless of what side. This post is not biased, it is just really that ****ing bad.

    The “foreign legion” made up mostly of Americans (basically straight from Iraq/Syria, some of them just got home and went straight to Ukraine) French, Polish & some Italians & Brits.

    These guys get thrown into units where half speaks English and the other half speaks a random language, with some Ukrainians mixed in (usually giving the commands as they’re the only ones with radio communications to the next higher up giving orders) — they don’t understand what’s going on. They don’t understand the languages at all. They’re jumping car to car and get thrown in between Ukrainians who are retreating — making them hold the positions. These guys hide under bridges, in trenches, in random houses, and just soak up artillery, hide, and wait for commands that change every 5 mins. No one knows what’s going on. They don’t know where the Russians are or where their friendlies are. They can’t distinguish between a Russian Armed Forces BTR/Tank or a Ukrainian one.

    Every single person from this foreign legion unit ended up with heavy injuries from Russian Armed Forces artillery fire and nearly direct tank shells. The stuff you see on twitter of Russian Armed Forces artillery being “inaccurate” are pure bull****. These guys get hit within meters — while on the move.

    They have no communications amongst one another as everyone sports different equipment. They are given RPG 22’s without any instructions on how to use them, literally no idea how to arm the launchers or even fire them. They get thrown straight inside Russian Armed Forces artillery fire control areas and eventually end up retreating with casualties.

    The fighting positions in Kherson are quite literally 1KM apart. But the Russians have so much firepower that the troops just hide in trenches and wait for Ukrainian hardware to do the pushing. About 50% of the Ukrainians tanks and BTRs get hit within half an hour of deployment, the other half retreats safely.

    We’ve had our doubts about Russia being able to drive them out without a major counteroffensive but after watching this, the incompetence, the disorientation, disorganization & pure confusion, we’re pretty confident the Ukrainians and the “Volunteers” will not last long. The Russians don’t fight like this. They are organized amongst their units and have perfect comms in comparison. The guys fighting on the Ukrainian side literally have no idea what’s going on.

    On top of that, COVID is raging amongst the Ukrainians and the foreign mercenaries. Most are sick & likely not able to perform to their fullest for that reason.
    So, the Ukros are a total mess, and the DPR/LPR seems to have strong mechanized units at the front, with high caliber shells (122mm, 152mm or so) because otherwise how are they destroying the Ukro Tanks and BTRs from the distance?


    But then the Novorossiya militant channel posts this
    https://t.me/swodki/159679
    Quote Murz - On the situation in the Kharkov-Izyum direction Already without me, hundreds of telegram channels explained to everyone that the offensive was known in advance, that it was impossible not to notice the concentration of forces and preparations further, further, further. At the same time, as it turns out now, not only were troops not transferred to the direction - they were removed from there. Leaving instead of significant combined arms groups BARS, SOBR, "mobilized", "Rosgvardia", in short, anyone, but not those units that, having heavy armored vehicles and artillery, could beat off a serious enemy attack.

    The enemy, having obvious superiority in aircraft-type UAVs in the direction and having an intelligence network in these territories, of course, could monitor the presence or absence of troops perfectly, and not only directly at the front line, but also to some depth. The tactics chosen by the enemy to defeat the abandoned barriers were absolutely correct - quick attacks with a "cavalry charge" work great against poorly prepared, non-echeloned ppositions of small units. And further - forward, forward, forward, bypassing pockets of resistance and blocking the roads along which they, these pockets, could be supported with supplies and reserves. The defenders have ridiculous means of communication, even among themselves, to say nothing of communication with neighbors.

    The attackers have well-managed combat groups, each with several vehicles with basic digital radio stations that provide communication over tens of kilometers. Each piece of armor contains a digital "Motorola", operating in the same frequencies as the walkie-talkies of the foot soldiers moving next to it. Everyone has electronic maps, GPS-navigation. Everyone knows who is going where, no one gets lost, does not stray, everyone is in touch. The defeat in such hands was a little predetermined.

    We will find out its final scale one of these days. The few combat-ready combined-arms vehicles that were available in the direction are now rushing by "fire brigades" between "hot spots" and are trying to limit these scales.

    The benefits of this shame can be very significant if someone from the military leadership stva will think that, probably, we are doing something wrong. And that the approach to war should be reconsidered. But most likely they won't.
    And here, the Ukros are perfectly professional and doing an excellent work. And contrary to what ASB Military said, the DPR/LPR guys have no mechanized units at the front, as you can see in bolded text

    So which one is it?
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    A lot of the Z-Channels have gone silent since yesterday, and i noticed that since those sources at the combat field dried up, most other channels are now reposting old stuff or posting just opinions or unconfirmed rumors

    One reason the info has been cut off from public telegram channels is that once the Russian military takes control of a zone, all phones are off or taken away and completely disabled until the operation is over. This is to prevent radio signals that would give away locations of units, but also to prevent cyber warfare that could listen to insecure communications and leak details of the operation

    So you kind of can see where the official Russian army (as opposed to the DPR/LPR units) is moving by how the zone goes "silent"

    I also noticed some other important info has not been pushed strong to the public channels, this for example

    https://t.me/rentv_news/63057

    Quote In hot pursuit, a gunner-spotter was detained, indicating the coordinates and correcting the UAV strike on the building of the Military Administration in Energodar. According to information from local law enforcement officers, investigative measures are being taken with him. Subscribe to REN TV
    So, a forward observer for the Ukros, who was calculating the shelling location was captured, and no one is talking about it? It would seem like this is an important event, since now you have someone who can tell you who and from where and how the shelling of the nuclear plant and the town is being worked on. This would be a good thing to push to all mainstream media channels, including an interrogation in video and so on

    But no one seems to have catched up on it yet
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    Around 7 years ago, as i have talked about in other threads and here as well, i quit the LPR army, and as a consequence i was declared a traitor back then, it was considered that i had deflected to the Ukrainian side but that wasn't true, i just simply lost all fate and hopes due to the lack of support, here's exactly why:

    1. We started strong and gained lots of territory, the Ukros were defeated badly and retreated
    2. We asked for more support as we saw that we were almost about to win, and it would have meant that if we got higher level howitzers and ammo, and drones and basically what we see right now, even if in lesser quantities, we would have taken over the entire Donbass territory easily
    3. We needed rations, ammo, uniforms, medicine, water etc, but we all were poor and there was no attention paid or any kind of support except from the Russian side

    The Russian army did gave all of the above needed support, but in small quantities and eventually less and less until we started getting defeated and started retreating and losing territory, but more importantly, soldier lives all over the place. Eventually people would just walk out and into Russian territory and leave behind mortars, rifles, small howitzers and other stuff like radios and so on

    Those who did invest their entire lives on the movement, felt so betrayed that they switched sides and truly deflected into the Ukrainian army

    Now i see the same attitude in several places, there is a difference between being a Russian soldier, or a Wagner one, than to be a DPR/LPR one, and here's how it feels and how it looks like

    https://t.me/ZradaXXII/8918


    Just look at them, they are tired, defeated and clearly are starting to feel the "we and them" reality that i'm talking about. So why is this happening again? Look at those uniforms, looks like they are in training, not at the front of the battle field, they are not ready and are pretty much some of them look like they joined because of patriotism or similar reasons but they don't belong at the battle field at all

    "We don't leave anyone behind" should not be a thing once you get hit, it should start by giving you all you need to NOT get hit in the first place

    In any case, they died, there are some videos online posted by the Ukros from this cell phone, and it shows their last moments where they get shot and pretty much all of them die, no reason to post those videos here, it's a terrible thing to watch and nothing good comes out of it

    I'm very sad and angry right now, i did not think i could feel the same way again in my entire life, but here i am, there's a terrible darkness and then once again that resentment i thought i had left behind, the one of "us and them" and the clear difference even if "they have our backs"

    I need to cool down, this is very stupid and i don't even know what to say or think anymore

    ETA: Well actually it is up to anyone if they want to see, here's the link, go see if you feel like it
    https://t.me/gramotyyaroslava/8963

    I remember we had a Podnos mortar, the only one we had remaining and functional in our unit (we had several but started losing them over time), these mortar uses a panoramic sight named MUM Panoramic Sight and one sight named K1 Kolilmator or something similar, it is NOT a hard piece to find, but when you are a separatist, and you don't have a real supply line for parts and you can't just go buy a replacement at the store, the only place you get a new one is from the Russian side, they made those mortar pieces and they had tons of replacement parts, and is not like they could not send one, but they never did.

    The Podnos can work against BMPs, BTRs and even sometimes can damage heavy tanks like the T-72, and it's very effective, but without that sight we were lost and it was useless when we needed it the most.

    We asked and asked and asked and days, then weeks, the a month went by, and we did not had anything but promises, and of course our positions were overtaken by light armor like BTRs and so on because we only had rifles to fight back and no mortar, so it's a lost battle against anything like a BTR or a BMP

    That's why we resented and resented more and then it turned into something else, a deep feeling of betrayal and abandonment as you see your friends dying all over like in that video because of lacking the equipment we needed and we knew was available but not to us

    I really really never thought i would get to feel this darkness once again
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    OpEd by Scott Ritter

    "It appears that Ukraine planned to use UN-appointed international nuclear experts as a tool for blackmail. The scheme failed"

    https://www.rt.com/russia/562307-ukr...on-zaporozhye/
    Quote If at first you don’t succeed, then try, try again. This seems to be the mantra of the Ukrainian government as it seeks to blackmail the international community into helping it evict Russia from the territory encompassing Europe's largest Nuclear Power Plant.

    “The world is once again on the brink of a nuclear disaster,” Kiev's Energy Secretary German Galushchenko declared in a message posted to Facebook on Monday, September 5. “The last line connecting it with the energy system of Ukraine…separated due to the fire that occurred as a result of shelling. Any repair of the lines is impossible now – there are combat operations around the station.”

    Galushchenko’s warning came as the bulk of an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) mission, dispatched late last week to inspect the safety of the Zaporozhye facility, and personally led by Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi, departed the nuclear power plant.

    Kiev is insisting that the international community oversee the “demilitarization” of the Zaporozhye plant and surrounding environs. The removal of Russian forces, the Ukrainians contend, and their replacement with international “peacekeepers,” is the only way to ensure nuclear safety.

    Left unsaid is the fact that all the damage caused to the nuclear power plant is the result of Ukrainian military action, including the deliberate targeting of the nuclear reactors and their support buildings by Ukrainian artillery.

    Can the UN's mission to Europe's largest nuclear power plant prevent a Chernobyl-style catastrophe?
    Read more Can the UN's mission to Europe's largest nuclear power plant prevent a Chernobyl-style catastrophe?
    The irony of the Ukrainian action is that IAEA Director General Grossi has now seen first-hand that the threat to the plant comes not from Russia, as Kiev wants to portray, but from Ukraine itself. More damning is that Grossi likewise is cognizant of the reality that Ukraine has been using the IAEA not as a guarantor of nuclear security, but rather a facilitator of Ukrainian policy, including military action that appeared to use the presence of IAEA inspectors at Zaporozhye as cover.

    By all appearances, Grossi undertook his mission to the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant in good faith. Since the attacks on the facility started in early August, he has been voicing his concerns and calling on forces on both sides to exercise the “utmost restraint” and avoid jeopardizing the safety of the plant “at all costs.” These calls were echoed by United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres.

    In mid-August, at an emergency session of the UN Security Council requested by Russia, Grossi called on Moscow and Kiev allow international experts to visit the power plant, and said he’d lead the mission himself. The United States, while backing his call, also demanded that a demilitarized zone be established in conjunction with any such visit, and said that any refusal by Russia to allow that was tantamount to nuclear blackmail.

    Russia refused to consider any requests to “demilitarize” the facility. It did, however, encourage the dispatch of the IAEA team, with one caveat – that it include ballistics specialists who would be able to evaluate the damage done to the plant with an eye toward determining the source of the attacks. Such professionals were included in the mission.

    On August 29, Grossi’s team travelled to Kiev, where the next day they met with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. Zelensky told Grossi that Ukraine believed it was critical for the IAEA to press home its demands for a demilitarized zone, which would enable Ukraine to take control of the plant.

    On September 1, Grossi and his team set off for the Zaporozhye facility. Prior to their arrival, they were stopped by Ukrainian officials, who warned Grossi that military activity in and around the facility had picked up that morning. According to Russian military sources, the Ukrainian army had attempted to seize the power plant in a commando raid that was thwarted by Russian forces.

    As Grossi’s 14-man team arrived at the power plant, the sound of nearby combat could be readily heard. The deteriorating security situation at the facility prompted Grossi to withdraw the bulk of his team later that day. A six-person sub-team was tasked with remaining on-site for a few days longer, after which four inspectors would depart, leaving behind a two-person element, who would provide a permanent presence, on a rotational basis, at the facility.

    Moscow reveals details of latest Ukrainian assault near Zaporozhye nuclear plant
    Read more Moscow reveals details of latest Ukrainian assault near Zaporozhye nuclear plant
    Afterwards, Grossi stated that the mission had been valuable. “We knew a lot before too, but of course it is being inspected now. We are trying to do a thorough assessment of the current situation.” As to the security of the plant, Grossi noted that “[t]he physical integrity of the facility has been violated not once, but multiple times. This is by no means acceptable.”

    In addition to their personal observations, the team was presented with a petition signed by 20,000 residents from Russia-controlled parts of the Zaporozhye region demanding that the IAEA condemn the attacks on the nuclear power plant, which the signatories said were conducted solely by the Ukrainian forces.

    This was not the result either the Ukrainian government or its Western backers could have envisioned when they were pushing for the mission’s dispatch in mid- to late-August.

    The IAEA mission, it seems, was not aware that there was going to be a Ukrainian military operation designed to capture the site while the inspectors were en route. There can be no doubt, however, that the Ukrainian government was aware that this was going to happen, even as Zelensky met with Grossi and his team the day before. It is also highly likely that Zelensky’s backers, especially the United States, United Kingdom, and France, were aware of the pending military operation, if not its timing.

    Needless to say, using an international inspection team as cover for a military operation is a violation of everything the United Nations Charter stands for. While the goal of the operation appears to have been to capture the site, and then invite the IAEA inspectors to remain there permanently, prompting the need for the dispatch of an international peacekeeping force, this was not achieved.

    Worse still for Ukraine and its partners, the team has now been exposed to the duplicity of the Ukrainian government and, by extension, its Western backers in the United Nations, as well as to the reality that Russia had been telling the truth the entire time about the safety and security of the plant. There is no doubt that the ballistic experts accompanying Grossi’s team were able to gather more than enough forensic data to prove conclusively who was responsible for the ongoing attacks on Zaporozhye.

    On Tuesday, September 6, Director General Grossi submitted the findings of his mission as part of a larger periodic report on the IAEA’s work in Ukraine since the initiation of Russia’s special military operation. The report is technical in nature, focusing on the safety of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant. This is the IAEA’s bread and butter, and based upon the contents of the report, the team accurately reflected what it observed while on the ground in Zaporozhye.

    A second, unspoken and ultimately more sensitive aspect of the report is the political ramifications of the mission. While accurately reporting the frequency and damage done by repeated artillery strikes on the territory of the plant, Grossi did not provide any conclusions about the origin of the shelling, despite being able to do so based on the data collected by his team. UN organizations, unless specifically mandated to do so, rarely provide attribution when it comes to who did what to whom. Instead, the report concluded that the safety and security of the nuclear power plant and its operators has been put at risk because of the ongoing military action, and encouraged all parties involved to cease such activity.

    The report likewise avoids any reference to the efforts of the Russian military to keep the team safe from attack while they were visiting the plant, thereby avoiding any indirect acknowledgement that the threat to Zaporozhye came from Ukraine, not Russia.

    IAEA mission leaves Zaporozhye nuclear plant – media
    Read more IAEA mission leaves Zaporozhye nuclear plant – media
    What the team did do is speak of “an urgent need for interim measures to prevent a nuclear accident arising from physical damage caused by military means,” which could be achieved by the immediate establishment of a “nuclear safety and security protection zone.” Grossi declared that the “IAEA is ready to start immediately the consultations leading to the urgent establishment of such a nuclear safety and security protection zone at the ZNPP [Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant].”

    Grossi could have prepared a report that sought the UN Security Council’s condemnation of the perpetrators of the egregious actions observed by the IAEA team – evidence of ongoing Ukrainian artillery attacks, and the use of Grossi’s team as operational cover for a physical attack on the plant while the mission was underway. Grossi is part of the UN system, however, and in any event the Council cannot police itself; when three of the five permanent members are involved in facilitating the Ukrainian malfeasance, then the Council is paralyzed by its own moral corruption.

    Regardless, Grossi’s trip is a political defeat for Ukraine and its supporters, which had placed so much hope and effort (including the lives of soldiers who perished in the September 1 assault on Zaporozhye) in using the IAEA inspection as a facilitator for larger objectives, such as the dispatch of international peacekeepers to occupy the plant and its immediate environs.

    In a crass display of hubris-laced audacity, Ukraine has called for a new IAEA inspection mission to be accompanied by a UN peacekeeping force. “We need to draw conclusions from this mission {Grossi’s} on the ground,” Peter Kotin, the head of Energoatom, declared on September 5, 2022 – well prior to Grossi’s report being published. “These conclusions should resolve the whole situation by ending Russian control. If the mission does not produce that, then we must have some viable outcome.”

    Kotin proposed increasing the number of agency inspectors at the station, adding that “the presence of other international organizations, such as United Nations peacekeeping forces or other international missions from the European Union, will help provide an independent view of what is going on there, and ultimately remove the Russians from the station.”

    The chances of that happening are near zero. But the fact that Ukraine continues to push for this outcome virtually guarantees that the relentless shelling of the Zaporozhye plant will continue until such time as the Ukrainian military is pushed back, out of artillery range, or else Ukraine capitulates. In any event, the world will continue to be subjected to nuclear blackmail daily. The perpetrator of this global crime, however, isn’t Russia, but rather Ukraine, along with its Western supporters in the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, and elsewhere.
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    Quote Posted by 9ideon (here)
    See, I wonder what the story is on the West front (East when you are Ukrainian), up there at around Izium, apparently Ukrainians are massing Panzers and troops up there. I can't see that this is just to take Izium.
    I guess we're finding out now, I am really curious about countering the counter sort of speak, wonder what Russians will come up with (vid runs, pic is anomaly).


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    Yes it seems inevitable and appropriate that the West is going down. We had our chance to support true progress on the planet and instead we became so small and crushed everyone who aspired to be different or more human. I find it hopeful that other countries are now taking the lead - I wish Russia, Africa, Asia...so much success.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)

    I really really never thought i would get to feel this darkness once again


    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    OpEd by Scott Ritter

    "It appears that Ukraine planned to use UN-appointed international nuclear experts as a tool for blackmail. The scheme failed"

    https://rt.com/russia/562307-ukraine-iaea-mission-zaporozhye

    Quote the relentless shelling of the Zaporozhye plant
    What I (and quite a few other commentators!) find hard to understand is why the Russians haven't located the source of the shelling and just taken that out, even if they had to deploy their strategic bombers. I've not yet heard any explanation of why this just continues, day after day.
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    The bulk of George Soros' documents hacked and published on DC Leaks website shed the light on the magnates' meddling into Ukrainian affairs and shaping public opinion in Western Europe regarding the February coup of 2014 in Kiev through a series of projects and media campaigns.
    I know it is "old news" from 2016 but the question remains how relevant is that article today?
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    The bulk of George Soros' documents hacked and published on DC Leaks website shed the light on the magnates' meddling into Ukrainian affairs and shaping public opinion in Western Europe regarding the February coup of 2014 in Kiev through a series of projects and media campaigns.
    I know it is "old news" from 2016 but the question remains how relevant is that article today?
    It's a Sputnik News article John, which we're (stupidly) blocked from viewing here in the UK.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    The bulk of George Soros' documents hacked and published on DC Leaks website shed the light on the magnates' meddling into Ukrainian affairs and shaping public opinion in Western Europe regarding the February coup of 2014 in Kiev through a series of projects and media campaigns.
    I know it is "old news" from 2016 but the question remains how relevant is that article today?
    It's a Sputnik News article John, which we're (stupidly) blocked from viewing here in the UK.

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    Here it is: (quite a long article)
    Soros Hacked: US Billionaire Manipulated Europeans Into Accepting Maidan

    The bulk of George Soros' documents hacked and published on DC Leaks website shed the light on the magnates' meddling into Ukrainian affairs and shaping public opinion in Western Europe regarding the February coup of 2014 in Kiev through a series of projects and media campaigns.

    DC Leaks' release of almost 2,576 files from groups run by US billionaire George Soros, has exposed the magnate's involvement in Ukraine's Euromaidan affairs as well as manipulation of public opinion in Western and Southern Europe in order to "legalize" the February 2014 coup in Kiev.

    "The emergence of a New Ukraine carries with it the opportunity to reinvigorate the European project," read a 2015 document by the Open Society Initiative for Europe (OSIFE) entitled "The Ukraine debate in Western Europe."
    "However, this is complicated by the reluctance of some EU actors to accept the Maidan revolution as democratic and the Ukrainian government as legitimate. These actors have their own agendas — related to geopolitical and economic considerations with Russia — and will therefore be difficult to influence," the OSIFE document underscored, adding that "for other groups and individuals, on the political left and across various social movements, one can detect confusion regarding the state of affairs in Ukraine."


    OSIFE specified that this "second group" comprised key opinion-makers, a number of traditional mainstream players, emerging political parties — especially in Southern Europe — such as M5S in Italy, Podemos in Spain and Syriza in Greece, and "a wide range of liberal NGOs in western Europe."

    In order to tackle the "problem," the organization offered to kick off a series of initiatives aimed at shaping public opinion in the West regarding the Ukrainian affairs.

    The document revealed that OSIFE pursued three major objectives.

    First, it sought to "stimulate debate and doubt in those democratic left movements, parties and audiences of Western Europe where a negative perception of the transformation of Ukraine is hegemonic, or very preponderant."

    Second, it wanted to "discredit the idea that the independence and integrity of Ukraine is an ideological cause of the Right."

    Third, OSIFE intended to "influence the way information about Ukraine is heard and perceived in Southern Europe, especially among the group of doubters."

    The issue was dramatically complicated by the fact that the major driving forces of the so-called "Euromaidan Revolution" of February 2014 were the Ukrainian far-right groups, most notably the nationalist All-Ukrainian Union Svoboda and Right Sector, founded by ultra-right Trident and the Ukrainian National Assembly-Ukrainian National Self-Defense (UNA-UNSO) paramilitary group.
    "The surge in violence sparked by Right Sector has revealed how uncritical and undiscerning most of the media has been of the far-right parties and movements that have played a leading role in the 'Euromaidan,'" US journalist Alec Luhn warned on January 21, 2014, in his article for the Nation.
    It was again the right-wing militants who championed Kiev's Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO) in eastern Ukraine aimed against the breakaway Donbass regions.


    Torch procession in Kiev commemorating Stepan Bandera, leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, January 1, 2015.

    However, regardless of Kiev's activities casting shadow on the image of "New Ukraine," OSIFE's plan envisaged spending $750,000 in 2015 on grants, consultancy contracts, fellowships, workshops, exchange visits, conferences and advocacy activities in order to reach the objectives.

    For instance, the Soros entity planned to provide "greater presence of voices from Ukraine's civil society in left leaning and alternative press" in the West.
    In addition, it sought to amplify "left-wing 'pro-Maidan' opinion formers' voices" in the debate on Ukraine by organizing conferences "on the New Ukraine in partnership with the political science/international affairs department in the leading universities in each of Germany, France, Spain, Italy and Greece."
    "Russia's line on Ukraine will be subjected to a greater degree of scrutiny and skepticism by the left-wing actors involved in this project, relating to the European anti-fascist movement will be a key entry point in this debate," the document read.

    To manipulate the Europeans' vision of Maidan, OSIFE planned to involve such reputable mainstream media source as, for example, the Guardian ("to increase coverage of voices from the New Ukraine — e.g. Maidan") and the alternative press such as Eurozine, Huffington Post, Street Press, Internazionale as "key influencers for the audience we [OSIFE] are targeting."

    The document shows that OSIFE envisioned funding translations of articles of Ukrainian journalists and providing individual grants to "investigative" reporters covering the situation on the ground in Ukraine to counter Russia's narrative.

    But that is not all. Another document released by DC Leaks indicates how OSIFE planned to "amplify independent media voices from Ukraine in France."

    To propagate OSIFE's Ukraine narrative among left-leaning media outlet the organization envisioned "establishing media partnerships between Ukrainian and European outlets allowing content syndication and other collaborative opportunities."
    "We have established contact with Hromadske International, an emerging media outlet in Ukraine combining broadcast and online content," the report read, adding that Hromadske may become a potential Ukrainian "incubator" for the project.
    OSIFE also planned to involve Mediapart in France to kick off the project.

    "The good potential synergy between Hromadske and Mediapart… offers an opportunity to launch this project by OSF enabling an introduction between Hromadske and Mediapart," the report continued.

    OSIFE foresaw that such a partnership "would allow Hromadske and inroad into France," with the potential for further expansion of its partnership network in four other EU's "key countries" — Germany, Spain, Italy and Greece.

    The two documents observed constitute only the tip of the iceberg of George Soros' comprehensive and longstanding policy regarding Ukraine. However, they shed light on the depth of the billionaire's interference into the affairs of the post-Soviet state.

    The Saturday leak turned the spotlight on George Soros' global activities, exposing work plans, strategies, priorities of the Soros-run entities across the world, covering the period from 2008 to 2016.
    "Soros, the master manipulator of governments who pulls the strings at the State Department, will face unprecedented scrutiny," Thomas Lifson of the American Thinker commented on the hack.
    The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that DC Leaks previously released the content of email and records of the US Democratic Party, as well as those of Gen. Philip Breedlove, a former supreme commander of NATO.

    ~~~

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    The bulk of George Soros' documents hacked and published on DC Leaks website shed the light on the magnates' meddling into Ukrainian affairs and shaping public opinion in Western Europe regarding the February coup of 2014 in Kiev through a series of projects and media campaigns.

    I know it is "old news" from 2016 but the question remains how relevant is that article today?
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    All attempts to rule the world are doomed to fail – Russia

    Moscow accuses the “liberal-totalitarian West” of seeking to impose a neo-colonial world order

    Western governments, most notably the US, are trying to impose their neo-colonial order on the world, Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service chief Sergey Naryshkin claimed on Thursday during a Russian-Chinese roundtable meeting to discuss historical processes and the structure of the modern world.

    In his opening statement, Naryshkin, who also heads up the Russian Historical Society, stated that the international sphere is currently going through a transformation as many countries are embarking on the path of sovereign development and are relying on their own cultural heritage and traditions.

    “However, a small group of Western countries is standing in the way. Western liberal-totalitarian regimes which have essentially usurped the right to decide the vector of humanity’s development and have imposed their own neo-colonial world order,” Naryshkin said.

    He pointed out that the US, which was “blinded by its quasi-victory in the Cold War,” has been trying to impose its so-called ‘rules-based order’ on the world, noting Washington’s repeated interference in the internal affairs of sovereign governments, ignoring Russia’s concerns about the expansion of NATO towards its borders, and the “blatantly tactless” visits of US politicians to Taiwan.

    “What is this if not a manifestation of imperial swagger?” Naryshkin asked, noting that the US has been provoking conflicts all over the world in order to uphold its hegemony, which is being threatened by a global crisis caused by the greed and shortsightedness of the West.

    Naryshkin went on to accuse the US of taking advantage of the inherent flaws of Ukrainian statehood and using the country as a springboard for an offensive against Russia by bringing outright neo-Nazis to power in Kiev and launching a full-blown civil war.

    “The events of recent weeks indicate that the US will continue to drag out the conflict in Ukraine with all its might, regardless of the huge losses of Ukrainian armed forces, or the prospect of impoverishment of its European satellites,” he added.

    “The Anglo-Saxon desire for world domination spreads to continental Europe as well,” the official stated, noting that nearly all European states today are essentially under the direct rule of Washington. “Unfortunately, most European politicians today are not guided by the needs of their constituents,” the intelligence chief asserted.

    He concluded his address by pointing out that this is not the first time that a specific country or political bloc has attempted to rule the world, but stated that human history shows that all such attempts are inevitably doomed to fail.

    “Every civilization has its charm. But no civilization is better than any other,” stated Gao, adding that a “sense of superiority” is not conducive to establishing relations between nations.


    https://www.rt.com/news/562431-russi...litarian-west/
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    ‘One freak after another’ – ex-Russian president on UK leaders
    Liz Truss will inevitably face failure and disgrace, Dmitry Medvedev believes

    Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said the new UK prime minister, Liz Truss, will continue the “tradition” started by her predecessor Boris Johnson by finishing her tenure “in disgrace.”

    Truss, formerly the foreign secretary in Johnson’s Conservative government, officially became prime minister on Tuesday

    Taking to Telegram on Wednesday, Medvedev, who currently serves as deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, commented on the succession of governments in the UK: “Out goes the freak guy, in comes the freak lady.” He described the new PM as “an incompetent and mediocre thermonuclear Russophobe who has no elementary ideas about politics, history, geography, but wants to defeat Russia in everything.”

    The former president added that Truss, the third female prime minister in British history, is trying to imitate the first, Margaret Thatcher, “without having even 5% of her abilities,” and hopes to address the energy crisis and rising food inflation, which are “the result of her own crazy sanctions exercises.”

    In her first statement at Downing Street, Truss claimed that the energy crisis was caused by “Putin’s war.”

    “She will quarrel with everyone, fail in everything, and leave in disgrace, like her predecessor, shaggy Boriska. It seems that in Britain, which is famous for its traditions, a new tradition has emerged,” Medvedev wrote.

    Earlier on Wednesday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova claimed that the selection of Liz Truss as prime minister signals a “crisis of democracy,” and that her Tory leadership election victory had nothing to do with the will of the people, “since the system of indirect elections dominates the Anglo-Saxon duo.”

    Truss gained notoriety in Russia during her visit to Moscow in February, days before the launch of the military operation in Ukraine. Then-Foreign Secretary Truss confused the Russian regions of Voronezh and Rostov with Ukrainian regions, and told her counterpart, Sergey Lavrov, that London would never recognize Russia’s sovereignty over these areas. According to reports, she was then allegedly corrected by Deborah Bronnert, the UK ambassador. Lavrov described the meeting with the foreign secretary as talking “to a deaf person.”

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Around 7 years ago, as i have talked about in other threads and here as well, i quit the LPR army, and as a consequence i was declared a traitor back then, it was considered that i had deflected to the Ukrainian side but that wasn't true, i just simply lost all fate and hopes due to the lack of support, here's exactly why:

    1. We started strong and gained lots of territory, the Ukros were defeated badly and retreated
    2. We asked for more support as we saw that we were almost about to win, and it would have meant that if we got higher level howitzers and ammo, and drones and basically what we see right now, even if in lesser quantities, we would have taken over the entire Donbass territory easily
    3. We needed rations, ammo, uniforms, medicine, water etc, but we all were poor and there was no attention paid or any kind of support except from the Russian side

    The Russian army did gave all of the above needed support, but in small quantities and eventually less and less until we started getting defeated and started retreating and losing territory, but more importantly, soldier lives all over the place. Eventually people would just walk out and into Russian territory and leave behind mortars, rifles, small howitzers and other stuff like radios and so on

    Those who did invest their entire lives on the movement, felt so betrayed that they switched sides and truly deflected into the Ukrainian army

    Now i see the same attitude in several places, there is a difference between being a Russian soldier, or a Wagner one, than to be a DPR/LPR one, and here's how it feels and how it looks like

    https://t.me/ZradaXXII/8918


    Just look at them, they are tired, defeated and clearly are starting to feel the "we and them" reality that i'm talking about. So why is this happening again? Look at those uniforms, looks like they are in training, not at the front of the battle field, they are not ready and are pretty much some of them look like they joined because of patriotism or similar reasons but they don't belong at the battle field at all

    "We don't leave anyone behind" should not be a thing once you get hit, it should start by giving you all you need to NOT get hit in the first place

    In any case, they died, there are some videos online posted by the Ukros from this cell phone, and it shows their last moments where they get shot and pretty much all of them die, no reason to post those videos here, it's a terrible thing to watch and nothing good comes out of it

    I'm very sad and angry right now, i did not think i could feel the same way again in my entire life, but here i am, there's a terrible darkness and then once again that resentment i thought i had left behind, the one of "us and them" and the clear difference even if "they have our backs"

    I need to cool down, this is very stupid and i don't even know what to say or think anymore

    ETA: Well actually it is up to anyone if they want to see, here's the link, go see if you feel like it
    https://t.me/gramotyyaroslava/8963

    I remember we had a Podnos mortar, the only one we had remaining and functional in our unit (we had several but started losing them over time), these mortar uses a panoramic sight named MUM Panoramic Sight and one sight named K1 Kolilmator or something similar, it is NOT a hard piece to find, but when you are a separatist, and you don't have a real supply line for parts and you can't just go buy a replacement at the store, the only place you get a new one is from the Russian side, they made those mortar pieces and they had tons of replacement parts, and is not like they could not send one, but they never did.

    The Podnos can work against BMPs, BTRs and even sometimes can damage heavy tanks like the T-72, and it's very effective, but without that sight we were lost and it was useless when we needed it the most.

    We asked and asked and asked and days, then weeks, the a month went by, and we did not had anything but promises, and of course our positions were overtaken by light armor like BTRs and so on because we only had rifles to fight back and no mortar, so it's a lost battle against anything like a BTR or a BMP

    That's why we resented and resented more and then it turned into something else, a deep feeling of betrayal and abandonment as you see your friends dying all over like in that video because of lacking the equipment we needed and we knew was available but not to us

    I really really never thought i would get to feel this darkness once again


    I thought I really should draw attention to this. But it's not for the faint-hearted.

    In her post, Mashika is sharing very honestly, with every word she writes causing herself pain, about the sometimes stark difference between the protection, weaponry and resources available to the soldiers of the DPR/LPR (the Donbass militia, who have been at war for years, and in which Mashika served personally) — and that of the regular Russian forces, including the elite Wagner group.

    She linked to two videos. It's a harrowing, hard-to-watch, before-and-after story. The video she first shared is embedded in her post. The men there — from the Donbass militia — are dispirited, short on everything, and discouraged.

    Mashika then edited her post to link to the second video, which (like her) I will not embed.

    https://t.me/gramotyyaroslava/8963

    It's awful to watch.

    You see the same group of men under fire, and some of them have been seriously injured and look to be dying. The man with the cellphone camera is panicking, terrified, angry, and he's yelling to his dying friends and swearing over and over again.

    There's little to say. War is terrible. I do think that we always have to remember that, safe and comfortable as most of us may be, very far from these events, which happen all the time, that we read about every day.
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    I won't post any links to the hundreds of articles, tweets and telegram posts over the last 24 hours, but as my own brief summary here there's been a great deal of Russian media anger (of all kinds) about the RF's failure to hold ground against Ukraine's new offensives.

    Putin is being accused by [some of] his own citizens of being too cautious and legalistic (and maybe taking his eye off the ball while attending the recent event in Vladivostok, many time zones to the east) — and many Russian military commentators are saying (my paraphrase) —
    Look, this is war. Take the gloves off. Do it properly, do it now, and do it fast.
    This does tie in with Mashika's impassioned post above. Something went badly wrong for those very unfortunate guys in the video, and is likely to have gone wrong for many others as well. Someone dropped the ball.

    Of course, Ukrainian soldiers are being slaughtered by the thousands as well. That's not all captured on camera. And a human life is a human life.

    So this isn't a partisan post. It's really just a summary comment on a day when there are many loud and emphatic voices out there right now (crowing in the west, incensed in Russia) combining to create a very great deal of emotional expression.


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    https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1568167840225558529


    https://moonofalabama.org/2022/09/the-izium-counteroffensive-success-disaster.html

    The Izium 'Counteroffensive' Success / Disaster

    "It's a disaster," says Dima of the Military Summary channel.

    I agree. The question now is: For whom?

    Here is the map of the Izium region in the northeast of Ukraine on September 4.



    In the middle we can see the Oskol river flowing north to south. Along it run railway tracks and roads that connect Izium region at the bottom of the map with Urazovo in Russia (further north, not on the map).

    Here is the situation in the same area on the morning of September 9.



    The Ukrainian forces have broken through the Russian positions on a wide front and in remarkable depth.

    The above maps are from the Ukraine friendly site LiveUAmap. On the Russian side's map, as provided by Dima in his latest video, the Ukrainians are shown even further east and have reached the Oskol river.



    This is latest Rybar version of the map which confirms that the Ukrainian side has at least in part reached the river. They took the town of Senkovo on the western side of it.


    (German version as the English one does not load correctly.)

    Izium, Lyman and several other important positions along the Izium front are now in imminent danger of losing their main supply route.

    How could this happen?

    Well, I am not in the Russian high command and have no idea of the how and why.

    But what we know is that there were mostly conscripted men of the Luhansk Peoples Republic at the frontline when this episode started. The troops that held the town of Balakleya for two days where Russian National Guard forces. Those are militarized police units, not real armed forces. The Russian military had to send army forces to evacuate them.

    Apparently the whole Russian front in that area was very thin and had too little artillery support. The Ukrainians moved extremely fast skipping towns and just blocking off local resistance to move on. They had a very significant number of tanks and armored transport as well as long range artillery support by several HIMARS systems. Many of the units must also have had night vision equipment as they did not stop even after sunset. There are also reports of strong foreign elements but those are hard to verify.

    The LPR forces and whatever else was in the area had no chance. They were killed or captured or moved out.

    The Russian side seems to have had little information about the size of the attack. The forces in the area were too few and too light. There should have been way more forces to block the Ukrainian move much earlier.

    Then again - I do not know what plans the Russian military has had or might have. We might still see surprises.

    Armored Russian reinforcements are now coming in from the north from the northern Kharkov region as well as from the east through Svatove. But they will still need some time to reach the front lines and to set up for battle.

    The best countermove is likely to move the battle group seen in Svatove down to Izium and then up northwest and the group from the north southward in an attempt to pincer and envelope the Ukrainian forces.

    Going this deep and this fast makes the attacking Ukrainian troops vulnerable. They will need some time to consolidate and to move up their artillery. Their supplies will have to come from Andivka on the left of the map and from Chuhuiv on the upper left. That are some 75 kilometer or 45 miles one way distances.

    The Russian missile forces can interdict those routes by destroying the bridges along the way. They should do this as soon as possible. Andivka itself is surrounded by a river in the south, west and north. The handful of bridges over the river should also be dropped to cut the town off.

    Ukrainian forces south of Izium and Lyman try to cross the Siversky Donets river to attack those cities from another direction. The idea is likely to bind the Russian forces there and to not let them move north to counter the upper Ukrainian strike.

    There may be some ingenious Russian plan behind this to drag the Ukrainian forces in to then destroy them in place. But I do not see any evidence for that.

    Heads will have to roll for this disaster.
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    Ukraine - Battle Of The Izium Bulge

    Here is the latest from the Izium front where a Ukrainian counterattack made a deep push into Russian held lines.


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    The map shows 5 Ukrainian brigades within the bulge the Ukrainian forces have formed to the north of Izium. Several more brigades are pushing up from the south of Izium. With about 3,000 men per brigade this is a major force of some 30,000+ soldiers plus likely reserves.


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    After the light Luhansk Peoples' Republic forces who had held that area were overrun by the ISIS style attack of the Ukrainian forces, the Russian army has pulled up its heavy reserves. Mi-26 helicopters brought in armored vehicles and soldiers to stop the attacks wherever possible.

    The Ukrainians are also pulling in heavy weapons for a new push along their front lines.

    Armored land bound Russian forces are coming in from the east and north. The Russian air force and army aviation have air superiority and pound the Ukrainian lines.

    We can expect a lot of attacks on the quite thin and long supply lines of the Ukrainian spearhead. The town of Shevchenkove, where several big roads and train lines cross, may be a weak point of the Ukrainian offensive. Retaking it would cut the main Ukrainian supply lines in the area.

    The latest Rybar situation report says (edited machine translation):
    Battle for Kharkov: the situation on the Izium-Kuyansk section of the front - by the end of September 9, 2022
    🔻 Kupyansk direction
    ▪️The sending of reserves to the Kupyansk section of the front by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation managed to stop the advance of the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine a few kilometers from the city line.
    ▪️ By the end of the day the Armed Forces of Ukraine established control over the villages of Chkalovskoye, Shevchenko, Borovskoye and control the Chuguev - Kupyansk highway to Grushevka, which allowed to transfer equipment and artillery systems to the combat contact line.
    ▪️ The Ukrainian command is forming a shock group for the assault on Kupyansk in the Grushevka and Staroverovka area. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation apply artillery and missile bombing at the places of concentration of enemy forces.
    ▪️ AFU conduct shelling of the rear settlements in the liberated territories. The village of Bolshaya Broluk was subjected to especially strong blows.
    Ukrainian formations will block the reserves of the RF Armed Forces in Kupyansk and try to go around the city from the north, moving in the direction of Dvurechensky.
    🔻 Izium direction
    ▪️ From the south of Izium the Armed Forces of Ukraine are advancing to Vernopolye and Dolina.
    ▪️ If an attempt to advance to Gorokovatka, the mobile groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was rebuffed in the area of ​​the village of Yasinovatoe.
    ▪️ The reserve forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation reached the eastern bank of the Oskol River which stopped attempts to cross the mobile groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the river.
    Apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will strengthen mobile units on the western coast of Oskol with heavy equipment and will try to reconnoiter the defense of Russian forces from Gorokhovatka.
    🔻 Balaklia direction
    ▪️ There are unverified messages that the eastern blocks of Balaklia are still held by the detachments of the RF Armed Forces. In the near future, one should expect the blow of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine in the village of Vesele and Kunya.
    In the near future, the Armed Forces will be attempted to attack Lyman from the Raygorodk. The main goal of the Ukrainian command on the site is to reach the Oskol reservoir and surround the Russian group near Izium.
    This operation is THE big push by the Ukrainian military. Most of the heavier armored vehicles on the front seem to be from foreign countries.

    If the Ukrainian army is willing to throw all heavy reserves into this operation, as it seem to do, the Russian army will have a chance to give it a decisive blow.

    The operation reminds of one that played out at the end of 1944. Operation Wacht am Rhein, also known as the Ardennes offensive or the Battle of the Bulge, was a large German attempt to encircle western allied forces in the Netherlands and Belgium. On the German side some 450,000 troops took part. The offensive failed when good weather set in which allowed allied air supremacy to attack German supply lines and when the German tanks simply ran out of gas.


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    Get ready for a small replay of it.
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    Hungary on ‘edge of abyss’ in EU — Czech minister

    Hungary’ stance on Russia and the conflict in Ukraine could potentially see it exiting the EU, the Czech European affairs minister has warned.

    The EU is “a unity of many voices” that always finds common ground despite any disputes, Mikulas Bek told Cesky Rozhlas Plus radio on Thursday.

    “Negotiations are often tough in the EU, and many countries could engage in them. But Hungary, in my opinion, has come a long way, reaching the edge an abyss, and now it has to decide whether to go back from that edge or risk a jump, the consequences of which I don’t even want to speculate on,” the minister said.

    On the prospects of Budapest leaving the EU altogether, Bek said it’s theoretically possible.

    Budapest has remained relatively neutral since the launch of Moscow’s military operation in Ukraine in late February, and refused to send weapons to Kiev unlike many of its neighbors. It has been critical of the EU sanctions against Russia, calling them ill-conceived and self-defeating. Hungary, which is heavily dependent on Russian energy, is exempt from the bloc-wide ban on Russian oil.

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    The Czech European affairs minister, whose country currently presides over the EU Council, pledged to work hard in the coming months to make sure Hungary stays in line with European policies.

    “A small positive sign” was that Budapest backed down on its demand to remove three prominent Russia businessmen – Alisher Usmanov, Pyotr Aven and Viktor Rashnikov – from EU sanctions earlier this week, Mikulas Bek added.
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