WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

**happyuk** · 22nd March 2022 20:29

From https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/larry-c...eft-is-mop-up/

Larry C Johnson is a veteran of the CIA and the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He is the founder and managing partner of BERG Associates, which was established in 1998. Larry provided training to the US Military’s Special Operations community for 24 years.

Within the first 24 hours of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, all Ukrainian Ground Radar Intercept capabilities were wiped out. Without those radars, the Ukrainian Air Force lost its ability to do air to air intercept.
When a 24 mile (or 40 mile, depends on the news source) was positioned north of Kiev for more than a week, it was clear that Ukraine’s ability to launch significant military operations had been eliminated. If their artillery was intact, then that column was easy pickings for massive destruction.
The scale and scope of the Russian attack is remarkable. They captured territory in three weeks that is larger than the land mass of the United Kingdom.
There is an air of desperation in Washington. Besides trying ban all things Russian, the Biden Administration is trying to bully China, India and Saudi Arabia. I do not see any of those countries falling into line.
I am shocked at the miscalculation in thinking economic sanctions on Russia would bring them to their knees. The opposite is true. Russia is self-sufficient and is not dependent on imports. Its exports are critical to the economic well-being of the West.
And this attempt to coerce Russia with sanctions has now made it very likely that the U.S. dollar’s role as the international reserve currency will show up in the dustbin of history.

**Hermoor** · 22nd March 2022 21:05

Assad's view on certain current affairs and how we got to this point.

**Vicus** · 22nd March 2022 21:40

FÜCK Europe ! "lady"

**Ravenlocke** · 22nd March 2022 21:49

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
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... Gonzalo's update:

The Daily Beast Is Trying To Get Me Killed 16:35

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I’m not being hyperbolic—for real.

Archive of The Daily Beast’s hit piece: https://archive.ph/5MzOh

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=e-GHmbAGh2E

https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/sta...65370571137029

**Vicus** · 22nd March 2022 22:09

**norman** · 22nd March 2022 22:25

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
The following video shows that supposed footage taken of Ukraine was actually taken in Lebanon:

https://www.brighteon.com/793b6cd2-a...1-e0500190488f

Source: https://www.brighteon.com/embed/793b6cd2-a956-4254-b171-e0500190488f

Who is passing this off as footage from Ukraine ?

Just checking, because when I shared it with a sceptical contact, the obvious question came back pretty starkly, and like a fool, I didn't have the answer ready.

**Lunesoleil** · 22nd March 2022 22:35

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ui9IkBLfCLE

**shaberon** · 22nd March 2022 22:38

Posted by Vicus (here)
FÜCK Europe ! "lady"

It has not surprised me that after propping up a lot of token females in important offices, it turns out they are ugly and they are terrible liars. I thought they were supposed to add some cover of legitimacy. I have known ladies that were trained mannequins who were doing a far superior job.

I guess it doesn't matter what you "were", once you actually accept the position then you are just borg with a career in the violence industry.

Russian ladies talk about things like the first prisoner exchange:

Russian servicemen were exchanged for the mayor of Melitopol, Ivan Fedorov who was held by Russian forces during the first exchange of prisoners between the two sides.

Most Syrians can tell you nearly everything. These days (just in the past two) they have a lot of experience with small units trying to go further in:

Qamishli, SANA- Two villages in Qamishli countryside supported by a unit of the Syrian Arab Army, confronted a convoy of military vehicles of the US occupation forces and expelled it from the area.

Local sources told SANA’s reporter that a convoy of the US occupation, consisting of six military vehicles, tried to cross into Tamneh Rahyat village via the checkpoint of Rahyat al-Souda village in Qamishli southern countryside.

Hasaka, SANA- A Syrian Arab Army checkpoint intercepted a US military vehicles’ convoy, in Tal Tamer district, in Hasaka northwestern countryside.

Local sources told SANA reporter that a checkpoint for the Syrian Arab Army stationed near Qabr al-Saghir and Gharajeneh villages in Tal Tamer district in Hasaka, intercepted 6 US armored vehicles while they were trying to enter the two villages, forcing them to retreat and leave the area.

But they don't mind letting you out:

“A convoy consisting of 52 vehicles, including covered tankers loaded with military equipment and trucks affiliated to the US occupation forces, accompanied by a number of armoured vehicles, left Syrian territory on Saturday morning heading to northern Iraq.

It was not a secret that there is a replay of the same scenario:

Earlier, a Russian military source had confirmed that members of the Ukrainian Security Service and intelligence officers of the Turkish regime are working to recruit terrorists who are deployed in northern Syria to fight among the ranks of Ukrainian forces.

Well, if they do, there are still a lot of piglards waiting for them.

Meanwhile, according to Iran, USS Truman is exposing her big rear somewhere in the Mediterranean:

The Nimitz-class carrier and its escorts are currently stationed in the Ionian Sea, the body of water directly Southeast of the Italian "boot" and the Western coast of Greece. Its aircraft are said to have carried out over 75 patrol missions along NATO’s Eastern flank, including near the Ukrainian border, over the past month. The Truman has been used repeatedly in US wars of aggression, with its aircraft flying over 1,200 combat sorties during the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and assisting coalition forces during fighting against the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan in the 2010s.

Gonzalo may be OTR or is late considering the time of that last post. Just saying because I watch the negative spaces as well. Hopefully it doesn't mean anything.

**Michel Leclerc** · 22nd March 2022 22:51

[QUOTE=Ewan;1489646]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
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What the hell is a 'manosphere?' I asked myself.
To save anyone else looking it up if you are as ignorant as I was...

Manosphere

The manosphere is a collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny, and strong opposition to feminism.[1] Communities within the manosphere include men's rights activists,[2] incels (involuntary celibates),[3] Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW),[4] pick-up artists (PUA),[5] and fathers' rights groups.[6]

Dear Ewan, where did you get that definition?

As far as I know, a "manosphere" is a pressurised quasi-spherical object. Like a balloon, for instance – although sometimes this is called a "mano-ovoid" because of its egg-like shape, mind you.. or, simpler still, a "manovoid".

Ahem.

The inventors or inventresses of this definition clearly have a few axes to grind. Personally I am a staunch defender of men’s rights and father's rights, and, for that matter, of boy’s rights, but I would prefer not to be heaped together with misogynists.

A more logical rephrasing of the definition would just substitute the word "and" between "misogyny" and "strong opposition" with "or". That would be proof of sounder thinking.

Improvement upon such a corrected definition might come from including groups who want to improve males' health, OR personal development groups for males, OR groups who aspire to ending sexual mutilation of males (by circumcision) etc.

Such a definition of the "manosphere" would show a sincere and benevolent intention of the definer. As it stands, it obviously shows an anti-male bias by restricting itself to "masculinity, misogyny, ..or.. strong opposition to feminism".

More needs to be said about this subject but that belongs to another thread.

**Gwin Ru** · 23rd March 2022 00:00

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... reality beats conspiracy movies... these are really big briefcases

Ukrainian media report that the wife of former MP Kotvytskyy (Poroshenko ally) tried to take $28 million and 1.3 million euros out of Ukraine via Zakarpattya.

*The money was found by the Hungarian border guards and forced to declare it.

Looks like the Ukraine DS is under pressure. @Forecast432Hz
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...627981313?s=21

**shaberon** · 23rd March 2022 10:49

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
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... reality beats conspiracy movies... these are really big briefcases

King George's cavalry.

Along with what looks like maybe some hot chocolate packets?

Does it have a point of origin? Our guess is from the nefarious clutches of the Money Launderers. But they seem to be all over the place!

Was it maybe headed to...Lebanon?

The ISF’s Information Branch first discovered two spies: “the first was within the branch itself and the second was a Hezbollah member who was recruited by an organization claiming to be working for the United Nations.”

Several workers in nonprofit organizations in Lebanon were also arrested for their part in the spy rings.

“During investigation, the Informational Branch of ISF managed to know the way of contact between the suspects and the sides who run them,” Al-Akhbar said, adding that the Israeli security apparatus “adopted this time a new way in recruiting the spies in Lebanon.”

“Most of the recruitments were via social media and the Israeli enemy exploited from the harsh economic conditions Lebanon has been going through.”

As for the financial expenses, they were received through money transfer firms, with the transactions being transferred by people or sides from countries in Latin America, eastern Europe, Africa and Asia, Al-Akhbar added.

My impression was that laundering was flexible like that. If you had to push some eastern European country off the list, it would barely be missed. What could be so special about those particular suitcases?

Here was another geographical detail since I, at least, do not know my way around Ukraine:

"Russian forces hit a Ukrainian special forces training center early on Sunday, killing more than 100 local troops and foreign mercenaries, the Ministry of Defense has said.

A Ukrainian Special Operations Forces training center near the town of Ovruch in the northern Zhytomyr Region, which hosted the mercenaries, was targeted by “high-precision air-launched missiles,” ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said during a briefing.

The airstrike has eliminated more than 100 Ukrainian special ops troops and foreign soldiers of fortune."

That makes three provinces with a lot of Unidentified Foreign Objects left lying around.

One would tend to guess they are not Zionists and Takfiris. Moreover, we are now forced to distinguish between real Zionists and a fake Ukranian Zio something. Chances are that the real Zionists would rather keep the Takfirs in Syria. I don't think it's them, and, I don't think it is numerically-probable Indians and Chinese. It's not the Russians, because they are already there. Maybe it is Christmas Island. With this missing set of facts, too, Reputation can only hold out for so long.

As long as we hold out the arm of Temptation, chances are that Insurance is going to be invoked in some cases here. Will Insurance take a swipe at NGO social networking websites? Germany did an "about face" on the remaining 2200 Strela missiles! I am not sure if the Money Launderers qualify for a refund. After all, most of these are probably only about thirty years old, and almost entirely unfit for the purpose. But so are the newer drones. A few hundred of these have been expended in finding that they have almost no effect whatsoever. Why take someone's stolen money for weapons that aren't going to work, just in hopes it will get them killed?

Let's review a basic way of confronting the Russians.

If you spread out and drop everything, they will make it really easy for you to surrender.

If you operate weapons they consider dangerous against them or anyone they care about, you will almost immediately be targeted, and won't be around much longer, for some reason or another.

Not only has a shopping mall been determined as an ineffective location to operate weaponry, sixty meters of bedrock has been found to be an inadequate means of underground protection. No one wants to know what that really means.

Most of the activity is concentrated in cutting through Mariupol and defending outwards from DPR. Until the Ukranian Armed Forces are out of business, Tochkas are a constant threat. They can mostly be blocked, but who knows, and even if a missile is neutralized, the debris is very dangerous. I would guess a lot of the current activity is on a level of grim and gruesome previously unknown to man. It does contain the original kind, at certain moments. No telling what will have to be endured here.

**Bill Ryan** · 23rd March 2022 10:51

Mod note from Bill:

Friends, as best I can see we may be drifting slightly off-topic here in one or two of the shared posts.

For me (and for hundreds of members and guests looking for good information), the thread is extremely valuable as

A source of updates of the complicated and sometimes unclear situation on the ground;
Analysis of the possible outcomes (and current responses and effects) of the conflict geopolitically and economically;
Analysis and historical detail of the roots and causes of the current situation.

That's pretty all-encompassing (and sometimes fast-moving!), but I'd suggest it may be useful for us all not to dilute discussion of the above issues too much.

**norman** · 23rd March 2022 11:14

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Mod note from Bill:

Friends, as best I can see we may be drifting slightly off-topic here in one or two of the shared posts.

For me (and for hundreds of members and guests looking for good information), the thread is extremely valuable as

A source of updates of the complicated and sometimes unclear situation on the ground;
Analysis of the possible outcomes (and current responses and effects) of the conflict geopolitically and economically;
Analysis and historical detail of the roots and causes of the current situation.

That's pretty all-encompassing (and sometimes fast-moving!), but I'd suggest it may be useful for us all not to dilute discussion of the above issues too much.

Maybe it's time to split into two threads. The news wire stuff could carry on here but I feel a rising tide of wider discussion and implications analysis about the same topic is going to need air to breath around here somewhere.

A bit unusually for this type of big story, but perhaps admin is working hard at avoiding it, there are not half a dozen threads on this general topic by now. That's good, but one other thread seems required at this point, in my opinion.

**Gwin Ru** · 23rd March 2022 12:39

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... from Gonzalo:

Gonzalo Lira
Sorry, my T’s and F’s, For not posting the second I wake up. I did some chores and was talking to some good friends, and so didn’t realize the time.

From now on, I promise that the first thing I’ll post here in the morning will be a simple message:

#NotDeadYet ------ 11.2K viewsGonzalo Lira, 12:34

https://t.me/s/realCRP

**Ravenlocke** · 23rd March 2022 13:37

https://twitter.com/realGonzaloLira/...19847437963270

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/...48509310390273

**ExomatrixTV** · 23rd March 2022 13:41

I forgot to ask ... do we have any Ukrainian Project Avalon members who are "neutral" or "anti-Russian" or "anti-Neo-Nazis" or "anti-war" (no matter what side).

I guess it must be really weird to see this Forum Thread in comparison with what most Mainstream Media is selling (via western Pro-Nato countries).

cheers,
John

From Bill:
Of currently active members, only abc has a Ukrainian country flag. His last post was here on this thread, a week before the invasion. He's not posted or logged in since.