WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Kryztian]

Posted by Chester (here)

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)

(...)

"Anglo Saxon" is a very ambiguous choice of words. It could refer to:

• Germany - where the two tribes originated
• the British Isles - where the two tribes mixed and created a language and a civilization
• the USA - where people of this descent settled, conquered and colonized the country.

Of course, all of these countries are now much more multi racial and "Ango Saxon" doesn't really explain the official power structures of the government.

Yes, I caught that as well. (...)

Thank you Kryztian, Bill.

As for your first identification, Kryztian (“Germany, where the two tribes originated”), I beg to differ. Certainly the two tribes, the Angli (Pope Gregorius famously said, when presented with a qood-looking fair-haired young “Anglus”: "non sunt Angli, sed angeli” ("they are not Angles but angels”)) – hardly anybody would make such a comment now I’m afraid) and the Saxones (I’m not sure about the Latin for the latter) emigrated to / invaded the Celt-inhabited British Isles. They did so both, and were later considered one group (the "Anglo-Saxons") if only because they more or less jointly pushed the Celts to the North, the West and the South West. All the Angli left Germany, but part of the Saxon tribe stayed, presumably in what is more or less "Sachsen" in Germany now.

I'm a simple man and I thought the following - "The Anglo-Saxons, known in Old English as the “Angul-Seaxan”, shaped much of the English language, culture, and identity. Descended from a hotchpotch of Germanic peoples who migrated to parts of Britain, they inhabited and ruled territories in England and Wales for six centuries." - from here

I don't want to get off topic here, but my point is merely this is that Putin's remark about "Anglo-Saxons" is very unusual because the term really isn't connected with any one nation state. The Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes (oh, let's not forget THE JUTES ) who settled England, came from what is today either Germany or Denmark. However, the term also was widely used in the U.S.A. where the social elites were required to be "WASPS", which is an anagram for White Anglo Saxon Protestants .

I think that Putin used the term to say this isn't really a nation state behind the sabotage, it is a group of elites on either side of the Atlantic who are putting an agenda forward, although many of them are clearly in the City of London. The other irony here, is that this group of white elites are also pushing a neoliberal agenda to mind control us, which includes pushing the idea of multiculturalism ahead of other values such as individual liberty and freedom of speech. It is just ironic that this groups of individual who are trying to promote culture wars and are promoting a virtue signaling civilization is itself an exclusive country club of white Anglo Saxons warmongers.

[Mashika]

The difference between "Let's lend a hand to the Donbass republics" and "Russia's land is being attacked".

[Hym]

Posted by Mashika (here)
The difference between "Let's lend a hand to the Donbass republics" and "Russia's land is being attacked".

Translation of telegram post and video:

"Help is coming! - Armored forces of the Russian Army are transferred to the southern front on the Crimean Bridge."

[Snoweagle]

PUTIN DECLARES HOLY WAR ON WESTERN SATANISM! INVOKES JESUS!

Posted By: jensingr
Date: Friday, 30-Sep-2022 20:20:55
www.rumormill.news/208539

Putin declares holy war on Western 'satanism'

"They [the West] are moving toward open Satanism," he said in a speech broadcast to millions online.

Western elites were teaching "sexual deviation" to children who changed their gender, he said. "We're fighting for historical Russia, to protect our children and grandchildren from this experiment to change their souls," he added.

Putin invoked Jesus by name to bear witness to his "truth" and portrayed himself in messianic terms.

"I believe in the spiritual power of the Russian people and my spirit is its spirit, the suffering of the people is my suffering," he said.

"The destruction of the Western hegemony is irreversible," Putin added, as he neared the climax of his oration.

Putin also blamed "Anglo-Saxons", referring to the UK and US, for blowing up two Russian gas pipelines to Germany this week — in a potential casus belli with Nato.

https://euobserver.com/world/156188
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The MSM just do not give up by their vile misrepresentations spewing scorn at every opportunity.

The MSM should be held to account.

[pounamuknight]

Russia interrupts a NATO narrative livestream for an important message

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JB0QyDIcISI

They even have the courtesy to say thank you & good luck at the end of their international geopolitical trolling

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)
The fight for freedom is hard, not everyone makes it, and these people will never be able to live their dream, it ends for them now

This is not new, just another day, and their voices are silenced and very few people will know they even existed, or about what happened to them. For sure there will be no news of this on the west, and much less an understanding of why and how this is happening to those people

A column of civilian vehicles moving towards the part of the Zaporozhye region controlled by the Russian Federation came under fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the morning, the military-civil administration of Energodar reported.

In total, up to 15 artillery explosions were heard. A large number of dead and wounded are reported.

I was not going to post the embedded link, but i think it is time for some people to take a look and maybe think "why i haven't heard about this on the news? Who did this? And why?" Sometimes, it is past the time to look away, and instead maybe a little shock and test of reality may wake some people up

Or not...

Yes, bumping this, and I couldn't agree more.

[norman]

This insane 'fight to the last Ukrainian' and 'kill them on the way out' situation has got a population replacement plan written all over it.

It really looks, to me, like some very evil people want a new homeland, or perhaps, in their minds, want their old one back.

But first, what to do with Russia ?

They've got a desperate problem to solve, and I don't wish them any luck. I want them out of action yesterday.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by norman (here)

But first, what to do with Russia ?

They've got a desperate problem to solve, and I don't wish them any luck. I want them out of action yesterday.

Can you say more? I wasn't at all clear what you're referring to here.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's a 20-minute video that I found very interesting, a concise and focused discussion between Kim Iverson (who I always enjoy listening to) and Jackson Hinkle, one of the brightest and most aware 23-year olds around.

What caught my attention here was Kim's not-impossible argument that it wasn't the US who sabotaged the pipelines, but Poland. It did strike me, as soon as it happened, what while all the circumstantial evidence pointed strongly to the US and still does, it would also have been VERY easy for another nation to be making it look like it was the US who did it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HHbXuZMopZ0

[Tintin]

Source: https://twitter.com/afshinrattansi/s...50849519808512

[Kryztian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
What caught my attention here was Kim's not-impossible argument that it wasn't the US who sabotaged the pipelines, but Poland. It did strike me, as soon as it happened, what while all the circumstantial evidence pointed strongly to the US and still does, it would also have been VERY easy for another nation to be making it look like it was the US who did it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HHbXuZMopZ0

Well, if Poland has a lot to benefit from this act of sabotage, how about the Norwegians? They are the ones supplying the gas - I think they have the most to benefit.

I think a lot of this boils down to the technology and military capabilities that each of these countries has. Also, the United States had ships in the area at the time, 30 to 50 kilometers away. Wouldn't the sonar be able to detect submarines and other types of activity at that distance? We need to hear from some military tech people on this.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/DeuNachrichten/s...90274199760902

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status...06985745223680

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...09062043140097

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...09068196519936

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...83829110218753

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...83839437000704

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...83845098962944

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...83851927625728

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...83857346674688

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1576212185663012864

https://www.rt.com/russia/563866-kra...drawal-troops/

Russian forces withdraw from key Donbass city – military

Russian troops and the Donbass militias have had to withdraw from their defensive positions in the city of Krasny Liman as Ukrainian forces mounted a large-scale offensive targeting the area, the Russian Defense Ministry confirmed in a statement on Saturday.

Earlier, the head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, called the situation in the city “alarming,” saying the city had been “half-encircled” by Ukrainian troops.

“Due to the emerging threat of encirclement, the allied troops have withdrawn from the settlement of Krasny Liman and deployed to more advantageous positions,” the ministry said in a statement. The Ukrainian forces lost more than 200 soldiers as well as five tanks and five infantry fighting vehicles during the attack on Krasny Liman, the military added.

Despite the losses, the Ukrainian command sent in reserves and reached “considerable superiority in men and material” in the direction of the attack, the Russian ministry said.

A representative of the Ukrainian operational command ‘East’, Sergey Cherevaty, told the Ukrainian media that the Russian forces in Krasny Liman had been “encircled.” He also said that the Ukrainian troops had seized five settlements near Krasny Liman, including the town of Yampol, which is located to the southeast.

Pushilin earlier said that the DPR had lost full control of the towns of Yampol and Drobyshevo, while the Ukrainians were shelling the supply route between Krasny Liman and a Russian major logistics base in the town of Svatovo.

Krasny Liman, renamed Lyman by Ukraine in 2016, was seized by Russian and Donbass forces in late May. The city is located on the DPR’s northern edge not far from Ukraine’s Kharkov Region, the eastern part of which was captured by Ukrainian troops in early September.

The news came a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin signed treaties on the accession of the DPR and neighboring Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) into Russia. The president also signed agreements on the accession of the Russian-held Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, which declared independence from Ukraine. The four territories overwhelmingly voted in favor of joining Russia in referendums held between September 23 and 27.

Ukraine and the Western nations refused to recognize the results of the referendums.

The developments also come after Putin announced a partial mobilization aimed at calling some 300,000 reservists to arms, most of whom are yet to be sent to the regions.

[Hym]

Posted by Mashika (here)
The fight for freedom is hard, not everyone makes it, and these people will never be able to live their dream, it ends for them now

This is not new, just another day, and their voices are silenced and very few people will know they even existed, or about what happened to them. For sure there will be no news of this on the west, and much less an understanding of why and how this is happening to those people

A column of civilian vehicles moving towards the part of the Zaporozhye region controlled by the Russian Federation came under fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the morning, the military-civil administration of Energodar reported.

In total, up to 15 artillery explosions were heard. A large number of dead and wounded are reported.

I was not going to post the embedded link, but i think it is time for some people to take a look and maybe think "why i haven't heard about this on the news? Who did this? And why?" Sometimes, it is past the time to look away, and instead maybe a little shock and test of reality may wake some people up

Or not...

Using the very same videos from ROSGVARDIA_RUSSIA Z on telegram, showing the deaths of Russian speaking Ukranians. a reporter, now providing short news breaks on at least one other broadcast on this new site, Real America's Voice on americasvoice.news, shows just how insidious the corrupt intelligence agencies are when turning the deaths of innocent civilians into political theater, a global organization using its immense and imbedded manipulation of news services.

For me and others I know who count only the truth in our assessment of how things are around the world, we got another strong signal showing that very few news sources abide by their always advertised, yet rarely honored duty, a human responsibility to tell the whole truth, especially in the complexity that does not allow for any distortion or manipulation from those who guide world events. The kindest remark I can make to the news site is F. U.! And to the presenter I remind him that reporting is his job. How hard is that?

Here it is not a direct government official, but a so-called news reporter repeating the script from Reuters, well known for its dark yellow, piss-on-the-truth, journalism, in service to the war profiteers who control it. The owners of the site have finally revealed a directive from a darker source, a complicity to the western control of everything it touches. That should be a disappointment to those who did not know that it was a possibility, somewhere along the timeline of its populist acceptance. After all, aren't all political parties subject to the intrusion of those controllers who consider the lives of ordinary people just pawns in their narrative of self service?

Here is the news short from americasvoice.news, on The Charlie Kirk Show, September 30, 2022 Part 4 (0:00 to 0:55)

(I have CAPITALIZED the words used to control)

"WELCOME back to this America's Voice NEWSbreak. I'm Terence Bates. Russian President Vladimir Putin just LAUNCHED the process of annexing parts of Ukraine when he signed a law ABSORBING the four territories into Russia, despite INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION.

In the meantime, REPORTS out of those areas INDICATE convoys of people FLEEING every single day in order to avoid the SEEMINGLY UNPOPULAR Russian annexation. According to a REUTERS REPORT, one of those convoys in Southern Ukraine was the VICTIM of an ALLEGED Russian missile attack, killing MORE THAN 20 civilians, this morning. That convoy was assembling in a car park near Zaporozhye city in order to carry people and supplies into the RUSSIAN HELD territory.

Meantime, Ukraine says it will take back all of its territories. Russian officials, including the country's foreign minister have REPORTEDLY SAID the THREAT of nuclear retaliation would apply to any attacks on the areas THEY plan to annex."





I do not blame the presenter, except for any claim he may have to being a reporter and not merely a REPEATER. The out of character presentation for the site is being used just as a thoroughly main stream, mockingbird news outlet would use and abuse it, and this is noteworthy.

The undeniable fact that it was the Ukranian military who murdered those civilians, and not the Russians, who have painstakingly avoided injuring or killing civilians, shows the total lack of investigation put into the so called report. The distortion of that short video and the lies told "reporting" it inject a deep emotional provocation into those who view it. Who, controlling that site, made that decision, when the entire site is supposedly based on combating the globalist control of lives on this planet?

To their credit the site has been doing very honest, fact based reporting and their reporters have done some hard core, real boots on the ground reporting, filled with insights revealing a strong moral compass. I do hope they know how responsible THEIR reporting should always be. If any of us wanted to listen to, to see, that kind of dishonest reporting we would just turn on any main street media news outlet, the ones they constantly criticize daily. This is another inflection point for me and many of their viewers who see the big lie used in that short report as a great loss of credibility on their part.

On many levels, especially on a moral, soulful level those most extreme distortions of the truth of the murder of civilians are just as evil as the deeds themselves. Yes, I get the emotion. It goes both ways, and even more deeply when we know that the manipulation of the truth for political gain is the reason that someone at that site chose to sell that lie. I'm not surprised, B****es.

(Writing here, maybe everywhere, is a peculiar gift, for all of us. Peculiar because in honoring the existence of the writing of those who share here, thus not endangering the concept and presentation of civility, I see its unique position in my life.

I don't talk to many people like I do here. For all sentience in the dimensional worlds the color is brighter, the language and the expressions are shorter, with a depth of subtlety not available in writing, even as I am learning ways to incorporate those proxies for my living, our living, into these words. I have a profound appreciation for the allowance I have honoring the space here. It is a space that I spend as well as I am consciously able.)

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Chester (here)

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)

(...)

"Anglo Saxon" is a very ambiguous choice of words. It could refer to:

• Germany - where the two tribes originated
• the British Isles - where the two tribes mixed and created a language and a civilization
• the USA - where people of this descent settled, conquered and colonized the country.

Of course, all of these countries are now much more multi racial and "Ango Saxon" doesn't really explain the official power structures of the government.

Yes, I caught that as well. (...)

Thank you Kryztian, Bill.

As for your first identification, Kryztian (“Germany, where the two tribes originated”), I beg to differ. Certainly the two tribes, the Angli (Pope Gregorius famously said, when presented with a qood-looking fair-haired young “Anglus”: "non sunt Angli, sed angeli” ("they are not Angles but angels”)) – hardly anybody would make such a comment now I’m afraid) and the Saxones (I’m not sure about the Latin for the latter) emigrated to / invaded the Celt-inhabited British Isles. They did so both, and were later considered one group (the "Anglo-Saxons") if only because they more or less jointly pushed the Celts to the North, the West and the South West. All the Angli left Germany, but part of the Saxon tribe stayed, presumably in what is more or less "Sachsen" in Germany now.

That means that the combination "Anglo-Saxon" has been reduced to the meaning: the invaders of the Celtic British Isles and/or the speakers of West-Germanic dialects (as opposed to Celtic ones). In spite of the later Viking invasion and, two centuries later, French/Norman invasion, "English” has stuck as name for the language I am writing this post in, and that in spite of the fact that it contains quite a lot of Celtic, Latin, Norse and French. It also means that the countries in which natives speak English are called Anglo-Saxon in both the Latin cultures of this world (French, Italian etc.) and the Slavonic ones (Russian, Polish etc.) – but never, in those civilisational realms, is Germany called "Anglo-Saxon" – Germany which is inhabited by a Germanic population, as are the Netherlands and (partly) Belgium (where Dutch is spoken, a Germanic langage), or (partly) South Africa for that matter (where Afrikaans is also a Germanic language). Admittedly English is, because of its large “Anglish” and “Saxon” content, Germanic as well ("Anglish" and "Saxon" being (West-) Germanic dialects), only it is never called that way (unless in scientific linguistic contexts) but always and only Anglo-Saxon. “Anglo-Saxon” are then, by convention, the countries where English is spoken as a native language, and so we arrive at the five-eyes countries, the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand.

This is the "Anglo-Saxon" realm, and obviously we arrive then at the "Rhodesian" exceptionalism and at the “Anglo-Saxon mission“ – and certainly the Russian secret services have been aware of this exceptionalism and ”mission“ for a long time and understand it for what it is – what corresponds to what you have relayed for quite a number of years now Bill – ...have been aware of that, because they do know their history (cf. Shaberon’s historic overviews of "Russophobia" as "Orthodoxophobia"), and I conclude that it is indeed to this definition that president Putin refers.

Quite apart from that, I guess the Russians consider it diplomatically unwise to call their erstwhile customers and targets of the USA (see the Rand Corporation study), i.e. the Germans, "Anglo-Saxons".

I'm a simple man and I thought the following - "The Anglo-Saxons, known in Old English as the “Angul-Seaxan”, shaped much of the English language, culture, and identity. Descended from a hotchpotch of Germanic peoples who migrated to parts of Britain, they inhabited and ruled territories in England and Wales for six centuries." - from here

Also - you could say today it is (as you stated) - "the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand" but it's easier to sat, The Five Eyes.

Kryztian's post stated this rather accurately IMO.

I would actually point to Die Spinne (the 4th Reich) as the overarching transnational organizing force... still at war with Russia after it's "official" formation after WWII, though it's roots go back decades before.

Thank you Chester. I read through the link (from here) you provided, and it provides very interesting history snippets, a lot of them unknown to me. The following passage is not correct:

“Old English evolved mainly from other Germanic languages, including Old Friesian, and Old High German.”

That is not the case.

Old English (as a mix of the old "Anglish" and "Saxon” dialects of "Old West Germanic") is akin to but not evolved from their sister "Old West Germanic" dialects such as "Old Friesian", "Old Low Frankish" (which evolved into Dutch) and other "Old Low West Germanic" dialects which were dialects spoken in the area roughly from Cologne northwards into present-day Denmark and westwards up to the channel.

This "sisterhood" also included "Old High German" (which evolved into German) being a generic name for a number of "Old High West Germanic" dialects.

The difference between Low and High West Germanic can be illustrated by the Low Germanic forms "town" and "pound" in English, similar to the Dutch cognates "tuin" (meaning "garden", as in so many -ton place names in the UK) and "pond", as opposed to the High Germanic cognate forms "Zaun" (pronounce as you would "tsown" in English; meaning "hedge") and "Pfund" (notice the presence of these "s" and "f" sounds, absent from the Low West Germanic). (Incidentally, the choice of these adjectives "low" and "high" is literally geographical: the dialects of the plains and the dialects of the mountains).

They are all (Old) "West Germanic". Next to (Old) "West Germanic" there is Old "North Germanic" and Old "East Germanic". ("South Germanic" never existed.) North Germanic consist of Old Norse and other "Northern" dialects evolving into present-day Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish and Danish. There is at present no descendant from "Old "East Germanic". It existed at the end of Antiquity as a fully developed and literary language called Gothic in the area of present-day Romania (the Gospels being translated into Gothic), as an overlay on the Latin-derived dialects spoken there, who eventually survived and evolved into present-day Romanian.

All three groups:
(1) the West Germanic group (with as present-day member “languages” (recognised as such internationally or at least nationally) English, Dutch, Afrikaans and Frisian),
(2) the North Germanic group (Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish and Danish) and
(3) the extinct East Germanic,
ultimately derived – as sister language family branches – from their "mother" (Proto-)Germanic, one of the language families of the Indo-European language macro family.

We should distinguish Germanic (a purely linguistic term) from German (a linguistic, historical, cultural and political term). English – and hence Anglo-Saxon – is a Germanic language. It is not German. Conversely Anglo-Saxon relates to English (as well as to the "Anglish" and "Saxon" dialects of Old Low West German) and not to German.

This distinction is not pointless, and justifies my critical comment on Kryztian’s inclusion of German in the meaning of the term "Anglo-Saxon" used by President Putin. This inclusion is linguistically incorrect and unwarranted by the usual understanding of the meaning of "Anglo-Saxon" according to the dictionary.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status...31846773301253

Chronicle of Battles on October 1, 2022

By mid-October 1 it was clear that Russian forces had failed to turn
the situation in Lyman.
> AFU concentrated their efforts on three road segments: Lyman
- Zarichne, Torske - Kreminna, and Torske - Svatove. Having
correctly allocated forces, AFU concentrated on cutting the lines of
communication of the Russian forces.

- At the same time, the Russian defensive lines in Lyman itself,
Stavky, the northern outskirts of Yampil, and along the «Road of
Life» continued to be pressed through.

By noon on October 1, AFU had managed to physically cut off
the Torske - Svatove road and contain the Russian Armed Forces
in Terny area.

# Ukrainian flag was raised at the western entrance to Lyman. At
least 2096 of the town was controlled by the enemy by then.

Fighting shifted briefly to the centre and eastern part of Lyman,
the southern outskirts of Stavky, and the northern outskirts of
Yampil. Communication between Torske and Lyman garrison was blocked by fire.


Following strikes by the Russian Armed Forces on Zarichne(
Kirovsk), which was entered by Ukrainian formations, a corridor was
broken through. Withdrawal of troops to Torske began through it.

After the withdrawal, the bridge over the Zherebets River was
blown up.

- Torske - Kreminna road is under constant AFU fire control,
with Ukrainian manoeuvre groups manoeuvring groups trying to tie
up Russian units with combat.

Despite the measures taken by the Russian command, it has at
best succeeded in slowing the advance of the Ukrainian forces. It
was not possible to turn the tide in the battle for Lyman. On
October 1, 2022, after 20 days of heavy fighting, the Russian forces
had to abandon the town.

#digest #map #Russia #Ukraine #video


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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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[Ravenlocke]

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