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    I do not have time to rummage through what Rand Paul means by we don't have any money to not fix where I live:


    "I think it's important to know that we don't have any money to send, we have to borrow money from China to send it to Ukraine. And I think most people kind of get that, and many Republicans will say that when its a new social program, but if it's military aid to a country, they're like we can borrow that, that's a justified borrowing," Paul told American digital news portal Breitbart.


    Usually that means selling Treasury Bills. But I am not sure China can be forced to buy them at will, especially if it doesn't want them. Especially if it doesn't want to exacerbate the battles. I am not sure how else they might grab cash very quickly. Where is this coming from??

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    I do not have time to rummage through what Rand Paul means by we don't have any money to not fix where I live:


    "I think it's important to know that we don't have any money to send, we have to borrow money from China to send it to Ukraine. And I think most people kind of get that, and many Republicans will say that when its a new social program, but if it's military aid to a country, they're like we can borrow that, that's a justified borrowing," Paul told American digital news portal Breitbart.


    Usually that means selling Treasury Bills. But I am not sure China can be forced to buy them at will, especially if it doesn't want them. Especially if it doesn't want to exacerbate the battles. I am not sure how else they might grab cash very quickly. Where is this coming from??
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status...28374378004480
    Interesting how this ended so quickly after Milley called the Russian chief of the general staff yesterday...and what was really negotiated?

    Here’s the latest Ukraine sitrep from Moon of Alabama

    https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1527693301868003331


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/0...olsterism.html

    Ukraine SitRep - Russians Break Through U.S. Bolsterism
    May 20, 2022

    On May 14 I noted that the U.S. had asked Russia for a ceasefire in Ukraine:

    The U.S. readout of the call says:

    On May 13, Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III spoke with Russian Minister of Defense Sergey Shoygu for the first time since February 18. Secretary Austin urged an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine and emphasized the importance of maintaining lines of communication.
    Austin initiated the call and the U.S. is seeking a ceasefire in Ukraine!!!

    Yesterday the top officers of the U.S. and Russia had a call which, again, the U.S. side had initiated:

    Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. Valery Gerasimov, chief of the Russian General Staff, held a conversation that the Pentagon declined to further detail beyond acknowledging it had happened.
    Thinks must be bad in Ukraine for this to have happened. Indeed if one trusts the daily 'clobber list' the Russian Ministry of Defense puts out all positions of the Ukrainian army are under heavy artillery fire and it is losing about 500 men per day. There are additional Russian effective strikes on training camps, weapon storage sites and transport hubs all over the country.

    On top of that the tactical situation at the eastern frontline has changed after Russian forces broke through the heavily fortified frontline.

    A few days ago the Russian army went forward along the H-32 road, broke through the line in the direction of Propasna and took the town. It has since extended the bulge by taking several villages to the north, west and south.
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    This breakthrough gives the chance to roll up the Ukrainian fortifications along the frontline through flank attacks or from behind. By cutting the supply lines of the Ukrainian troops to the north and south envelopes can be created which will eventual lead to cauldrons with no way out for the Ukrainian troops.

    This is especially dangerous for the several thousand soldiers north of the bulge which currently defend the cities of Sieverodonetsk and Lysychansk in the north eastern part of the upper bubble.

    The Russian plan was to have another breakthrough from the north pushing to Siversk to then close the upper envelope. But after several failed attempts to cross the forest area and the Seversky Donets river that breakthrough has still to happen.

    Russia is now likely to push fresh troops into the Propasna bulge to extend its reach into all directions. Reports of current actions show that the heavy fighting and bombing on the frontline continues and that bombing also continues to target traffic nodes.

    Other fronts in Ukraine are currently relatively quiet with little direct fire. Still daily Russian artillery attacks hits all Ukrainian front lines and will cost daily casualties.

    Some 2,000 Azov militia and Ukrainian army troops have left the catacombs of Azovstal in Mariupol. Another thousand may still be down there. The Russian army is filtering these prisoners. Members of Azov and other militia will be put to court. Ukrainian army soldiers will become prisoners of war.

    The gasoline and diesel scarcity in Ukraine is currently having severe impacts. Even the Ukrainian military is now rationing its fuel. Since about six weeks ago Russia has systematically attacked refineries and fuel storage sites in Ukraine. It also disabled railroad bridges along the lines that brought fuel from Moldova and Romania.

    At the same time the Ukrainian government had held up price regulations for fuel. The consumer sale prices for diesel and gasoline were fixed. The cost of fuel brought in by private trucks from Poland exceeded the price gas station owners could ask for. In consequence gas stations ran dry as their owners refrained from purchasing new fuel.

    Three days ago the Zelensky regime in Kiev finally ended the fuel price control:

    According to [economy minister] Svyrydenko, the government expects that the maximum prices for diesel will not exceed UAH 58 ($1.97), for gasoline — UAH 52 ($1.76) per liter, once controls are lifted.
    “As soon as we feel that market operators are abusing their position, we will impose sanctions on them,” she added.

    “We will monitor the situation on a daily basis”.

    The expected prices are lower than what is currently asked for in Germany and that is without trucking the fuel the 600 kilometer from Poland to Kiev. The threat of sanctions also means that local wholesalers will have little incentives to actually deal in fuel. With the average wages in Ukraine being about $480 per months the real fuel prices will soon become another economic shock.

    The Ukrainian government also continues its attacks on unions and labor laws:

    In March, the Ukrainian parliament passed wartime legislation that severely curtailed the ability of trade unions to represent their members, introduced ‘suspension of employment’ (meaning employees are not fired, but their work and wages are suspended) and gave employers the right to unilaterally suspend collective agreements.
    ...
    But beyond this temporary measure, a group of Ukrainian MPs and officials are now aiming to further ‘liberalise’ and ‘de-Sovietise’ the country’s labour laws. Under a draft law, people who work in small and medium-sized firms – those which have up to 250 employees – would, in effect, be removed from the country’s existing labour laws and covered by individual contracts negotiated with their employer. More than 70% of the Ukrainian workforce would be affected by this change.
    Against a background of concerns that Ukrainian officials are using Russia’s invasion to push through a long-awaited radical deregulation of labour laws, one expert has warned that the introduction of civil law into labour relations risks opening a “Pandora’s box” for workers.

    In total the social-economic situation for Ukraine is catastrophic. The military situation is even worse. Mariupol has fallen and Russian troops working there will soon be able to go elsewhere. The Propasna bulge is threatening to envelope the whole northern frontline together with the core of the Ukrainian army.

    There is no more talk of the Ukrainian army 'winning' like in Kiev or Karkov where the Russian troops retreated in good order after finishing their task of holding Ukrainian forces in place.

    The Ukrainian command has sent several territorial brigades to the front lines. These units were supposed to defend their home towns. They consist of middle age men drafted into service. They have little fighting experience and lack heavy weapons. Several of these units have published videos saying they were giving up. They are lamenting that their commanders left them when their situation became critical.

    That the Ukrainian army is now using such units as cannon fodder shows that it has only few reserves left.

    Weapons that come in from the 'west' have difficulties reaching the front lines and had so far very little effect. They amount to drops of water on a hot plate.

    All the above are the reasons why Austin and Milley have phoned up their Russian equivalents. They are also the reasons why the New York Times editors call on the Biden administration to end its bluster and to take a more realistic position:

    Recent bellicose statements from Washington — President Biden’s assertion that Mr. Putin “cannot remain in power,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s comment that Russia must be “weakened” and the pledge by the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, that the United States would support Ukraine “until victory is won” — may be rousing proclamations of support, but they do not bring negotiations any closer.
    In the end, it is the Ukrainians who must make the hard decisions: They are the ones fighting, dying and losing their homes to Russian aggression, and it is they who must decide what an end to the war might look like. If the conflict does lead to real negotiations, it will be Ukrainian leaders who will have to make the painful territorial decisions that any compromise will demand.
    ...
    [A]s the war continues, Mr. Biden should also make clear to President Volodymyr Zelensky and his people that there is a limit to how far the United States and NATO will go to confront Russia, and limits to the arms, money and political support they can muster. It is imperative that the Ukrainian government’s decisions be based on a realistic assessment of its means and how much more destruction Ukraine can sustain.
    Confronting this reality may be painful, but it is not appeasement. This is what governments are duty bound to do, not chase after an illusory “win.” Russia will be feeling the pain of isolation and debilitating economic sanctions for years to come, and Mr. Putin will go down in history as a butcher. The challenge now is to shake off the euphoria, stop the taunting and focus on defining and completing the mission. America’s support for Ukraine is a test of its place in the world in the 21st century, and Mr. Biden has an opportunity and an obligation to help define what that will be.
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    There'll be a lot about this everywhere (and it'll be interesting to see how the western media might spin it) — but here's a brief RT report in full:
    My own curiosity, and that of many others, is to a large extent about which foreign nationals were also there, and what else might be down there as well. The Russians will be having fun exploring the entire underground catacomb, and there'd be no shortage of volunteers for that job.

    Azovstal ‘fully liberated’ – Russian military

    The last members of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi ‘Azov’ unit have surrenderred in Mariupol


    File Photo: Azov unit fighters, who have surrendered at the Azovstal steel plant, walk on a road in the Russia-controlled port city of Mariupol, Donetsk People's Republic. © Sputnik/Russian Defence Ministry

    The entire territory of the “Azovstal” factory complex in Mariupol has been liberated, the Russian Defense Ministry announced on Friday. More than 2,400 people surrounded inside for almost a month, including Ukrainian servicemen and members of the neo-Nazi ‘Azov’ unit, have laid down their arms and surrendered.

    “The last group of 531 militants surrendered today,” the Russian military spokesman, Major-General Igor Konashenkov, said in a statement. He added that a total of “2,439 Azov Nazis” and Ukrainian servicemen had laid down their arms since May 16, and that the entire “Azovstal” complex is now under control of Russian armed forces.

    Azov and remnants of Ukrainian regular troops retreated into the sprawling steel factory on the coast of Mariupol, where they were completely surrounded on April 21. Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the military not to storm the complex but to blockade it “so a fly can’t get inside” and compel the militants to surrender.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu informed Putin on Friday of the successful completion of the operation, Konashenkov said. He also said that the unit’s commander had to be transported in an armored car for his safety.
    The so-called “commander” of the Azov Nazis was taken away from the factory in a special armored car, due to the hatred of Mariupol residents and their desire for revenge against him for numerous atrocities.
    In a video released on social media earlier in the day, Azov commander Svyatoslav “Kalyna” Palamar denied he had left the factory and said he was conducting a “certain operation” whose details he could not disclose. Palomar thanked “the world” and Ukraine for support, and signed off with “see you.”

    After the first batch of militants surrendered on Monday, the government in Kiev announced the “end of combat operations” in Mariupol and said it had ordered the Azovstal troops to save their lives. President Volodymyr Zelensky personally said on May 18 that the “evacuation mission” from Azovstal was being “supervised by our military and intelligence officers” with the involvement of “the most influential international mediators.”

    Both Ukraine and most Western media outlets avoided the word “surrender,” even when the Russian military published videos clearly showing the militants laying down their weapons.

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    My own curiosity, and that of many others, is to a large extent about which foreign nationals were also there, and what else might be down there as well.
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    Posted yesterday, and NOT (as far as I know) connected with the Azovstal surrender:

    https://t.me/intelslava/29235


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Posted yesterday, and NOT (as far as I know) connected with the Azovstal surrender:

    https://t.me/intelslava/29235

    The Russian Foreign Ministry announced important facts: The employees involved in work with dangerous pathogens in Ukraine were US citizens and had diplomatic immunity. Ukrainian biological laboratories were engaged in activities to enhance the pathogenic properties of plague, anthrax, tularemia, cholera and other deadly diseases using synthetic biology methods.
    Apparently, this is the full version. It seems important to record it in English. I don't have an original reference, but it was posted (in response to many requests) here on The Moon of Alabama's blog.

    ~~~

    Mr. Chairman,

    During the special operation in Ukraine, new documentary evidence is being found that in the immediate vicinity of the Russian borders for several years, components of biological weapons were created – in violation of the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction. At the meeting of the Permanent Council on April 22, we have already touched upon the topic of military biological research conducted by the United States of America in Ukraine. They talked about specific projects, including experiments on people. Today we would like to draw attention to new circumstances that confirm the immediate threats posed by such activities to international security.

    As we have already said, the network of biological laboratories operating under the auspices of the Pentagon covered a number of Ukrainian cities. These are more than 30 objects. As it turned out, one of the strongholds of this network was Mariupol, which was turned into a center for the collection and certification of cholera pathogens. The strains selected there were sent first to Kiev, and then to the United States. According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, this activity has been carried out since 2014. In addition to cholera, the laboratories of Mariupol worked with extremely dangerous pathogens of tularemia and anthrax - this is evidenced by the act of destruction of pathogenic microoganosms of February 25, 2022. Part of this "collection" was not eliminated in time. From the biological laboratories found in the city, 124 pathogenic strains were seized. Among them, pathogens of diseases uncharacteristic for veterinary medicine were also found - typhoid fever, paratyphoid, gas gangrene.

    Laboratory research for the organizers of these programs was scarce. They set up experiments on people. Here are examples of cynical experiments on civilians.

    In 2020, in the village of Stenovoye of the Lugansk People's Republic, fake banknotes contaminated with a strain of tuberculosis resistant to anti-tuberculosis drugs were distributed among minors. In accordance with the conclusion of the Luhansk Republican Sanitary and Epidemiological Station, the banknotes were most likely contaminated by artificial means.

    In this regard, information on the dispatch by Kiev to the eastern regions of UAVs equipped with equipment for spraying biological substances is of particular concern. There is information that in January of this year, Ukraine purchased more than 50 such devices through intermediaries. On March 9 of this year, three such drones, equipped with 30-liter tanks and a spray system, were discovered by the Russian military in the Kherson region. Ten more were seen at the end of April in the area of Kakhovka. Did they really intend to spray some kind of infection?

    There are new details about the Pentagon's experiments on Ukrainian citizens in a psychiatric hospital near Kharkiv. The main category of experimental subjects was a group of male patients aged 40-60 years with a high stage of physical exhaustion. To hide their affiliation with the United States, experts who conducted biological research arrived through the territories of third countries. But there is still information about the participants of these programs. For example, regarding linda Oporto, a native of Florida, who was directly involved in such work.

    There is reason to believe that such experiments have become part of the conscious policy of Washington and Kiev. The testimony of an official who in the past served in the security bodies of Ukraine confirms that in fact, on the territory of Ukraine for many years, a direct ban was imposed on any measures aimed at protecting the safety of Ukrainian citizens by its own state bodies when it came to US military biological laboratories. That is, in fact, all the activities that were carried out by the Americans on the territory of Ukraine were withdrawn to the prohibition zone for control from the point of view of compliance with the safety requirements of the Ukrainian citizens themselves. Such a conspiracy between the Ukrainian authorities and the US military structures once again confirms the fact of external management of Ukraine and its exploitation by the United States of America in its own interests.

    What preliminary conclusions can be drawn from all these circumstances. Let's highlight the international legal aspect: at least there are signs that in recent years Washington and Kiev have not complied with the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological and Toxin Weapons.

    Work in the laboratories was carried out in an absolutely closed mode, pathogenic microorganisms - agents of biological weapons - were studied. In fact, Ukraine worked out possible methods and mechanisms for destabilizing the epidemiological situation in the region. This directly suggests that the US biological laboratories in Ukraine were not created to search for effective means of protection against dangerous diseases and broad international cooperation. Their main task is to collect biological materials and study for their own purposes the specifics of the spread of viruses and dangerous diseases. The United States has practically turned Ukraine into a testing ground for the development of biological weapons components and covert testing of new samples of pharmaceuticals. The facts already collected indicate that there is a threat to the whole world, and not only to Ukrainians and citizens of neighboring states. The threat is primarily due to the fact that such activities, in fact, were removed from the legal field and were not controlled by anyone. Not to mention the moral and ethical side of the issue, in which the inhabitants of Ukraine acted as a kind of "experimental biomaterial".

    Along with the conduct of secret military-biological programs, the facts of providing both the United States and Ukraine with incomplete or unreliable information to international authorities have been established. All reports of Ukraine report the absence of national research and development programs in the field of biological protection. In addition, Ukraine in a number of cases did not provide information on outbreaks of infectious diseases. For example, in 2017, Ukrainian authorities did not report symptoms of botulism in Kiev and Kherson, as well as hepatitis A in Mykolaiv. In 2019, no mass signs of diphtheria were announced, although the spread of this disease was recorded in five regions. Ukraine did not inform about the participation of military personnel in the work of laboratories, as well as the facts of the transfer of biomaterials, the financing of facilities and programs by military departments.

    The main question is how all these biological activities relate to the specific norms of the 1971 Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction (BTWC). This key international document regulates this area of research. To date, 183 States have committed themselves not to develop, produce or stockpile biological weapons. At the same time, in the Preparatory Committee of the 9th Review Conference of the BTWC in Geneva in April of this year, the United States did not provide clear information about its biological programs in Ukraine. In the light of the available evidence of the excuse that the programme was purely peaceful, the international community was clearly insufficient. Of additional concern is Washington's line to counter the strengthening of the BTWC regime, including blocking the creation of a mechanism for verifying compliance with its provisions and the initiative to introduce a confidence-building measure in the form of reporting on military biological activities outside the national territory. It turns out that Washington still has a "stigma in a cannon"?

    In Russia, a parliamentary commission has been created to investigate the activities of US biological laboratories in Ukraine, it is planned to establish a wide international information exchange on this topic. An analysis of the reports of the United States and Ukraine for five years on the implementation of the Convention on Biological Weapons is being carried out. Russia is forming a package of documents in order to launch an official international investigation of military-biological activities in Ukraine in the near future. In particular, Articles 5 and 6 of the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological Weapons will be used to investigate biological activities in Ukraine.

    Article 5 of the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention states, inter alia, that "States Parties to ... The Conventions undertake to consult and cooperate with one another in the determination of any questions which may arise with respect to the purpose or in connection with the fulfilment of the provisions of the Convention."

    Article 6 of the BTWC states that "any State Party ... a Convention which states that another State Party is acting in violation of its obligations under the provisions of the Convention may lodge a complaint with the United Nations Security Council."

    I want to state directly: the United States will no longer be able to hush up this situation, simply calling the revealed data "lies and propaganda", as we have heard more than once in this hall, Washington will respond to the substance – and not with empty slogans, but according to the revealed facts. Russia will insist on open discussions of this dangerous problem in relevant international bodies, including the UN Security Council, precisely because the US-led military-biological programs pose a global threat. If the Ukrainian regime is indifferent to the fate of the people living in the territory of present-day Ukraine, this does not mean that other countries of the world will remain indifferent to the issues of biological safety of their own citizens.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)

    (...)

    "(...) nothing persuades the naturally peaceful population to support a war in a distant land [more] than the opponent’s alleged low morale and military losses”, says the analyst.

    (...)
    Am I right in presuming that the analyst does NOT use the qualification "naturally peaceful" ironically?

    I think so.

    It really takes the twisted mind of somebody belonging to the population of the Fourth Empire to think that the fact that "the opponent’s alleged low morale and military losses" motivates a population "to support a war" makes this population deserve the qualification of being "naturally peaceful".

    Or am I missing a subtlety in the intrinsically layered and twisted nature of Imperial irony?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Strong words about Scott Ritter, from Gonzalo Lira. (And I'd suggest they're a little harsh and unneeded. Gonzalo yesterday already argued a good case that Scott is incorrect in his concerns, and making that argument is all he had to do.)

    It seems to me that this doesn't really matter, as events on the battlefield are beyond the control of every one of us. We're simply spectators and commentators. Time will tell how all this unfolds.



    Thanks for that, Bill.
    I have to say I'm disappointed with Lira for spouting that. Yes Ritter did indeed refer to him as "Gonzo" two times in his telegram post about Lira being missing. He never stated Lira was dead tho. He said "reports emerging". And Ritter then posted straight after that post that he "has no direct evidence that Gonzalo has been killed". As for Ritter hoping to get a MSM slot - in exchange for the shilling - what an absolute crock of sheeeeettttt... in my opinion of course. All Lira has done for me in that video is cheapen himself. I also do not concur with him that Ritter has "turned". He seems to be changing his views as the situation changes. I hope I'm not coming across as a Ritter fan boy. He is a little too pro Russian for me, a bit too enthusiastic if you get my meaning. That said, i think his past integrity and courage speaks for itself.

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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    It really takes the twisted mind of somebody belonging to the population of the Fourth Empire to think that the fact that "the opponent’s alleged low morale and military losses" motivates a population "to support a war" makes this population deserve the qualification of being "naturally peaceful".

    Or am I missing a subtlety in the intrinsically layered and twisted nature of Imperial irony?


    Well, depends.

    If the target audience is the UK general population, then we can be pretty sure there is some percentage who are just docile and gentle people and so they are pretty peaceful, regardless.


    But, no, as any kind of socio-political comment, that is a non-sequitur to speak of peacefully supporting a war. Violently ending one--that's realistic.


    The actual point or the subject that is missing from the would-be irony, is that the possibly criminal and loathsome public would not support a war for the benefit of Capitalists unless you feed them propaganda stemming from lies, which appears to be the Cecil Rhodes method that was set in place by 1900 and simply keeps rolling along. The press is so you will stay out of the way of Capitalists, who are busy war profiteering and probably trying to restructure some assets and resources in the affected territory.


    If some such resources had Diplomatic Immunity, this is to say they were free from lawsuits and prosecution, and were probably not under jurisdiction whatsoever.


    That is how Kissinger would have wanted it.

    So now if---let's just say, financial support--is somehow borrowing from China to heat up a theater which that country has no interest in affecting, who is footing the bill?

    CCP is in it with Hunter Biden, from what I understand.

    KMT is the protege' of General Macarthur, and hence John Birch Society, Rand Corporation, et al., visible as the Republican Party.


    It is probably nowhere near that simple, anymore, since KMT as...a semi-viable juggernaut of society...sort of faded over the 1990s, and, I am not going to claim to know anything much about whatever may be outside of/not wanting to partner with CCP. There are Triads and Rongs and all sorts of things about what multi-ethnic representation might mean versus Han culture collectively. I have no dog in that fight either. First of all I think we should respect it because it is really difficult, and we need to get in the habit of not sticking our nose in someone's business and watching their habits and offering advice.


    If we can't figure out how to avoid situations like Ukraine, then the notion we might have anything useful to offer China is silly. Correspondingly, what we are finding is that no one wants to listen to us any more. Anglo isolation.


    There were, what, a total of about ten Senators who did not side with the Capitalism for Ukraine donation/gift from China. Nothing good will come from it, and we will have to pay. Like a freaking player piano rattling off music after everybody left hours ago.

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    Report by Patrick Lancaster US Navy veteran and independent crowd-funded journalist. Over the 8 years of the Ukraine War I made more video reports in anti-Ukraine Government (Donetsk People's Republic) controlled territory than any other western journalist. All so covered the Armenian Azerbaijan war reaching over 8 million on his youtube channel with his reports there I show what the western media will not show you.
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    Strong words about Scott Ritter, from Gonzalo Lira. (And I'd suggest they're a little harsh and unneeded. Gonzalo yesterday already argued a good case that Scott is incorrect in his concerns, and making that argument is all he had to do.)

    It seems to me that this doesn't really matter, as events on the battlefield are beyond the control of every one of us. We're simply spectators and commentators. Time will tell how all this unfolds.



    Thanks for that, Bill.
    I have to say I'm disappointed with Lira for spouting that. Yes Ritter did indeed refer to him as "Gonzo" two times in his telegram post about Lira being missing. He never stated Lira was dead tho. He said "reports emerging". And Ritter then posted straight after that post that he "has no direct evidence that Gonzalo has been killed". As for Ritter hoping to get a MSM slot - in exchange for the shilling - what an absolute crock of sheeeeettttt... in my opinion of course. All Lira has done for me in that video is cheapen himself. I also do not concur with him that Ritter has "turned". He seems to be changing his views as the situation changes. I hope I'm not coming across as a Ritter fan boy. He is a little too pro Russian for me, a bit too enthusiastic if you get my meaning. That said, i think his past integrity and courage speaks for itself.
    A public comment from Scott Ritter's wife, on Gonzalo's YouTube channel:

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    Marina Ritter says:

    As Scott Ritter’s wife, I listened to this clip with interest. Several points:
    1. A modicum of gratitude from you to people like Scott and others who raised an alarm about your disappearance is in order. The whole purpose of Scott’s article was to raise awareness of your disappearance.
    2. Scott did not say that you were kidnapped, tortured and murdered. He said “when reports emerged that you were kidnapped, tortured and murdered….”. You conveniently omitted Scott’s reference to these reports. Scott further clarified in the same article “I have no direct evidence that Gonzalo has been killed, I was clear I was referring to reports emerging about his demise. But Gonzo said any disappearance of more than 12 hours should be treated as if something bad had happened to him. It’s been five days”.
    3. As someone who once feared for his life at the prospect of being detained by the SBU during war time, you seem awfully jovial and nonchalant about your experience. As a former Soviet citizen, I know that security services do not arrest and release people suspected of treason during war time without some strings attached. After listening to your rant, I have a pretty good idea what those strings are.
    4. With all due respect, Scott’s words stand on their own and they don’t need to be dressed up by the likes of you. In the article you quoted, Scott never once mentioned a Russian Vietnam or new Afghanistan. Those are your words, not his.
    5. Your assessment about Scott courting the mainstream media is fiction. I hope the SBU gives you a pat on your back for your efforts for attacking Scott. Your followers may not comprehend the true objectives behind your rant, but I do.

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    An interesting article by Pepe Escobar, copied to The Saker's blog and published yesterday:
    Russia Rewrites the Art of Hybrid War

    Hybrid War is being fought predominantly in the economic/financial battleground – and the pain dial for the collective West will only go up.

    The ironclad fictional “narrative” imposed all across NATOstan is that Ukraine is “winning”.

    So why would weapons peddler retrofitted as Pentagon head Lloyd “Raytheon” Austin literally beg since late February to have his phone calls answered by Russian Defense Minister Shoigu, only to have his wish finally granted?

    It’s now confirmed by one of my top intel sources. The call was a direct consequence of panic. The United States Government (USG) by all means wants to scotch the detailed Russian investigation – and accumulation of evidence – on the US bioweapon labs in Ukraine, as I outlined in a previous column.

    This phone call happened exactly after an official Russian statement to the UN Security Council on May 13: we will use articles 5 and 6 of the Convention on the Prohibition of Bioweapons to investigate the Pentagon’s biological “experiments” in Ukraine.

    That was reiterated by Under Secretary-General of the UN in charge of disarmament, Thomas Markram, even as all ambassadors of NATO member countries predictably denied the collected evidence as “Russian disinformation”.

    Shoigu cold see the call coming eons away. Reuters, merely quoting the proverbial “Pentagon official”, spun that the allegedly one-hour-long call led to nothing. Nonsense. Austin, according to the Americans, demanded a “ceasefire” – which must have originated a Siberian cat smirk on Shoigu’s face.

    Shoigu knows exactly which way the wind is blowing on the ground – for Ukrainian Armed Forces and UkroNazis alike. It’s not only the Azovstal debacle – and Kiev’s all-around army breakdown.

    After the fall of Popasnaya – the crucial, most fortified Ukrainian stronghold in Donbass – the Russians and Donetsk/Luhansk forces have breached defenses along four different vectors to north, northwest, west and south. What’s left of the Ukrainian front is crumbling – fast, with a massive cauldron subdivided in a maze of mini-cauldrons: a military disaster the USG cannot possibly spin.

    Now, in parallel, we can also expect full exposure – on overdrive – of the Pentagon bioweapons racket. The only “offer you can’t refuse” left to the USG would be to present something tangible to the Russians to avoid a full investigation.

    That’s not gonna happen. Moscow is fully aware that going public with illegal work on banned biological weapons is an existential threat to the US Deep State. Especially when documents seized by the Russians show that Big Pharma – via Pfizer, Moderna, Merck and Gilead – was involved in several “experiments”. Fully exposing the whole maze, from the start, was one of Putin’s stated objectives.

    More “military-technical measures”?

    Three days after the UN presentation, the board of the Russian Foreign Ministry held a special session to discuss “the radically changed geopolitical realities that have developed as a result of the hybrid war against our country unleashed by the West – under the pretext of the situation in Ukraine – unprecedented in scale and ferocity, including the revival in Europe of a racist worldview in the form of cave Russophobia, an open course for the ‘abolition’ of Russia and everything Russian.”

    So it’s no wonder “the aggressive revisionist course of the West requires a radical revision of Russia’s relations with unfriendly states.”

    We should expect “a new edition of the Foreign Policy Concept of the Russian Federation” coming out soon.

    This new Foreign Policy Concept will elaborate on what Foreign Minister Lavrov once again stressed at a meeting honoring the 30th Assembly of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy: the US has declared an all-round Hybrid War on Russia. The only thing lacking, as it stands, is a formal declaration of war.

    Beyond the disinformation fog veiling the application of Finland and Sweden – call them the Dumb and Dumber Nordics – to join NATO, what really matters is another instance of declaration of war: the prospect of missiles with nuclear warheads stationed really close to Russian borders. Moscow already warned the Finns and Swedes, politely, that this would be dealt with it via “military-technical measures”. That’s exactly what Washington – and NATO minions – were told would happen before the start of Operation Z.

    And of course this goes much deeper, involving Romania and Poland as well. Bucharest already has Aegis Ashore missile launchers capable of sending Tomahawks with nuclear warheads at Russia, while Warsaw is receiving the same systems. To cut to the chase, if there’s no de-escalation, they will all eventually end up receiving Mr. Khinzal’s hypersonic business card.
    NATO member Turkey, meanwhile, plays a deft game, issuing its own list of demands before even considering the Nordics’ gamble.

    Ankara wants no more sanctions on its purchase of S-400s and on top if be re-included in the F-35 program. It will be fascinating to watch what His Master’s Voice will come up with to seduce the Sultan. The Nordics engaged in a self-correcting “clear unequivocal stance” against the PKK and the PYD is clearly not enough for the Sultan, who relished muddying the waters even more as he stressed that buying Russian energy is a “strategic” issue for Turkey.

    Counteracting financial Shock’n Awe

    By now it’s evidently clear that open-ended Operation Z targets unipolar Hegemon power, the infinite expansion of vassalized NATO, and the world’s financial architecture – an intertwined combo that largely transcends the Ukraine battleground.

    Serial Western sanctions package hysteria ended up triggering Russia’s so far quite successful counter-financial moves. Hybrid War is being fought predominantly in the economic/financial battleground – and the pain dial for the collective West will only go up: inflation, higher commodity prices, breakdown of supply chains, exploding cost of living, impoverishment of the middle classes, and unfortunately for great swathes of the Global South, outright poverty and starvation.

    In the near future, as insider evidence surfaces, a convincing case will be made that the Russian leadership even gamed the Western financial gamble/ blatant robbery of over $300 billion in Russian reserves.

    This implies that already years ago – let’s say, at least from 2016, based on analyses by Sergey Glazyev – the Kremlin knew this would inevitably happen. As trust remains a rigid foundation of a monetary system, the Russian leadership may have calculated that the Americans and their vassals, driven by blind Russophobia, would play all their cards at once when push came to shove – utterly demolishing global trust on “their” system.

    Because of Russia’s infinite natural resources, the Kremlin may have factored that the nation would eventually survive the financial Shock’n Awe – and even profit from it (ruble appreciation included). The reward is just too sweet: opening the way to The Doomed Dollar – without having to ask Mr. Sarmat to present his nuclear business card.

    Russia could even entertain the hypothesis of getting a mighty return on those stolen funds. A great deal of Western assets – totaling as much as $500 billion – may be nationalized if the Kremlin so chooses.

    So Russia is winning not only militarily but also to a large extent geopolitically – 88% of the planet does not align with NATOstan hysteria – and of course in the economic/financial sphere.

    This in fact is the key Hybrid War battleground where the collective West is being checkmated. One of the next key steps will be an expanded BRICS coordinating their dollar-bypassing strategy.

    None of the above should overshadow the still to be measured interconnected repercussions of the mass surrender of Azov neo-Nazis at UkroNazistan Central in Azovstal.

    The mythical Western “narrative” about freedom-fighting heroes imposed since February by NATOstan media collapsed with a single blow. Cue to the thunderous silence all over the Western infowar front, where no mutts even attempted to sing that crappy, “winning” Eurovision song.

    What happened, in essence, is that the creme de la creme of NATO-trained neo-Nazis, “advised” by top Western experts, weaponized to death, entrenched in deep concrete anti-nuclear bunkers in the bowels of Azovstal, was either pulverized or forced to surrender like cornered rats.

    Novorossiya as a game-changer

    The Russian General Staff will be adjusting their tactics for the major follow-up in Donbass – as the best Russian analysts and war correspondents incessantly debate. They will have to face an inescapable problem: as much as the Russian methodically grind down the – disaggregated – Ukrainian Army in Donbass, a new NATO army is being trained and weaponized in western Ukraine.

    So there is a real danger that depending on the ultimate long-term aims of Operation Z – which are only shared by the Russian military leadership – Moscow runs the risk of encountering, in a few months, a mobile and better weaponized incarnation of the demoralized army it is now destroying. And this is exactly what the Americans mean by “weakening” Russia.

    As it stands, there are several reasons why a new Novorossiya reality may turn out to be a positive game-changer for Russia. Among them:
    1. The economic/logistics complex from Kharkov to Odessa – along Donetsk, Luhansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev – is intimately linked with Russian industry.
    2. By controlling the Sea of Azov – already a de facto “Russian lake” – and subsequently the Black Sea, Russia will have total control of export routes for the region’s world-class grain production. Extra bonus: total exclusion of NATO.
    3. All of the above suggests a concerted drive for the development of an integrated agro-heavy industry complex – with the extra bonus of serious tourism potential.
    Under this scenario, a remaining Kiev-Lviv rump Ukraine, not incorporated to Russia, and of course not rebuilt, would be at best subjected to a no-fly zone plus selected artillery/missile/drone strikes in case NATO continues to entertain funny ideas.

    This would be a logical conclusion for a Special Military Operation focused on precision strikes and a deliberate emphasis on sparing civilian lives and infrastructure while methodically disabling the Ukrainian military/logistics spectrum. All of that takes time. Yet Russia may have all the time in the world, as we all keep listening to the sound of the collective West spiraling down.

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    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...61252651323394


    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...71972889694209


    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...73279343988737
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    Now that Crimea has water,


    https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/sta...85315981320193
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    Scott Ritter’s speech is converted to Russian here.

    https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1527173456059633664
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