WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Mashika]

At the beginning of the war, there were several planes and helis shotdown by the Ukrainian air defenses and by small rockets.

Soon after, it was identified how they were shotdown and the fly patterns changed, so now you don't hear at all about any Russian air force units getting shootdown.

From this we can figure something out:

1. The western anti air equipment is not capable anymore of shooting down planes or other units. A limitation has been found on them and Russia has a way now to counter it. This is bad for the west
2. The West has identified their limitation and will work on something better
3. The west military has probably a new good strategy that would allow them to continue being effective, based on what they have observed in the field against a real army. But, they won't share it with the 'Ukrainian partners', since then Russia would find yet another way to counter it, and the intel is so precious to the west that they have decided to let the Ukro partners rot on the side of the road. They won't share the new found, very valuable information as they obviously need it to be hidden from world view. Imagine if all other countries would know how to make US/Western anti air defense systems useless?

That we don't see any more reports or videos of Russian planes/heli being shot down truly means a lot. There is constant talk about nlaws and other similar systems, but now i don't remember recently seeing/hearing anything about manpad systems being sent, it kind of is 'not news' and we only hear about anti-tank weapons *a lot*

*An army without any useful air defense systems is a gone army*

[Mashika]

When i see people saying the Russian army is incompetent, or lacking, or badly trained, i can only assume they have no clue or any kind of education about anything military. It also just says they have been ill informed by whatever news sources they read/listen to

Because once you are out there and see it for yourself, those words have nothing to do with reality, as for example on this video. These are amateur pilots, according to those who say the Russian air force is obsolete and incompetent

If you want to jump to something very cool, scroll to around 2:17 minute, then watch from there

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zsdWm835MTc

[Mashika]

If this is true (i can't verify), then things for the west are waaaaaaaaaaaay worse than anything anyone could have assumed from what we were seeing

https://t.me/intelslava/31813



The US is done for

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xTEB8jEWpz4

[Mashika]

Trying to find if the image with the instructions card was real, i ended up finding this other video.. oh God..

Something needs to be done. Honestly, this is not right anymore, how can this not be a reason to act right now? This is an action item, not a 'maybe we should think about it". This is An Action Item

I could joke about this in a thousand ways, but i can only say this out of not being an asshole: You may be right Joe Biden, that's what your version of America represents. Fortunately, that 'America' you described there, is not the one most people believe in, and doesn't exist for most people, we don't see you that way, but you do represent a specific group of people who have their own "America", which is separated from the other Americans. You live on a different world, i can relate to that, but you are stupid in the end

You are your friends and associates are what we here call "A very educated fool"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oqiOeiG4VNo

[shaberon]

Posted by Mashika (here)
If this is true (i can't verify), then things for the west are waaaaaaaaaaaay worse than anything anyone could have assumed from what we were seeing

Well, we have been saying something like this since around 1740. I guess that means on these shores. So obviously from before then. My best guess is that is was the Siege of Derry 1689 that began to persuade "my people" that this situation was not something you could live with.

I can only say, it probably was temporarily, not too bad, from around 1776 to 1860. Just ask the guys from Gettysburg about shoes. Everything from the time of Lincoln's Empire only comes under the description of "increasingly bad". The point we are at now, is irrelevant, as long as everyone is prepared to return to the Stone Age. From what I can tell, there has been nothing to save, from some time before I checked on whether there was something that could be saved.


I have no interest in talk about how to regain control of the U. S. Federal Government from some other party, because I would say the whole thing should be kibboshed.

No one in the country has any interest in anything beyond a local level. Which one would have to admit is dependent on oil and technology that cannot be supplied locally.

I would be hard put to say we even have fifty states, I think we might have 5,000 counties with no real kind of unity or national consensus. At most, there are locales of a few counties, like Greek city-states. One of those is Baltimore. Don't go there. That's what they told me. I see no reason to recognize I might be under the same government as Baltimore.

Atlanta, for the most part, can just eat socks.

Chicago can burn for weeks.

Los Angeles is on track to get swallowed by the sea.

Just to tack on, at around the same time in a "local" sense, there was a murder on this street, someone I know was seriously injured by other people, and then I almost killed someone. So that resembles our "national unity", whatever that may be. They just tax it all under the same account.

[shaberon]

Posted by Mashika (here)
The people who write or think about that, lack a very basic knowledge of how Russia works, GPS is not the only tech around, there is an entire network around that is Russia specific, the GLONASS and other techs related to it. It has been around since the 70s but most people don't know about it

True in several respects such as even in the event of miraculous counter-jamming, they still keep backups of "dumb" systems such as radios based on vacuum tubes. And so there is very low tech that is actually still perfectly good. I would not even be surprised if they had a national corps of carrier pigeons. Plenty of reason to suggest that such things have value at a price far less than billions of dollars. This is my Su-57, this is my pigeon...I would think they are compatible.

There is a drifting program in the shortwave band that consists of apparently random recitals in multiple languages in Russian, Chinese, Filippino, English, Spanish, and so on...no one has ever been able to find the origin. Have you heard this?

[Mashika]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)
The people who write or think about that, lack a very basic knowledge of how Russia works, GPS is not the only tech around, there is an entire network around that is Russia specific, the GLONASS and other techs related to it. It has been around since the 70s but most people don't know about it

True in several respects such as even in the event of miraculous counter-jamming, they still keep backups of "dumb" systems such as radios based on vacuum tubes. And so there is very low tech that is actually still perfectly good. I would not even be surprised if they had a national corps of carrier pigeons. Plenty of reason to suggest that such things have value at a price far less than billions of dollars. This is my Su-57, this is my pigeon...I would think they are compatible.

All "nuclear delivery" planes in Russia are analog, an EMP would not kill them as there is a mechanism to prevent that, and the pilots use paper maps and other similar things like the controls are handled by cables and no computers are used, or in the modern versions, both the old analog and the new computer based systems are available.

There is a drifting program in the shortwave band that consists of apparently random recitals in multiple languages in Russian, Chinese, Filippino, English, Spanish, and so on...no one has ever been able to find the origin. Have you heard this?

Yes, the 'ping' radio signal, it allows to sync all the stations across the country, and to say "this one is off", it is a similar thing to the analog pilot control, it allows you to know what's going on even if there's no other way to communicate, but it also works as something else

The code words are meant to identify that the station or city location is still under 'our control', because the code words are unique and change constantly, so you expect to hear a word and if you don't, then you can write that location off the 'controlled region' map

"The buzzer" basically

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76

You "post", and a reply must be sent back in a pre-agreed format, if not, or if it's wrong, then "you know"

[Mashika]

Ping... or "Beep" maybe?

Anyways, here it is in all its might

I remember listening to it long ago, it's haunting when you listen to it in real time. And then there's the realization that if it gets interrupted, or a spoken message comes through non stop, the end of the world has started

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bBGk0mFnug0

[Mashika]

This, actually, is a kind of "symbol of the times"

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/12521

[Bill Ryan]

This was posted as a comment on The Moon of Alabama on 23 June. It's a clever (and funny!) strategy for talking face to face with a friend who is critical of and angry with Putin and the SMO.

~~~

Tell your friend that you are also angry with Putin.

Tell your friend, and get them to nod with you, all the following:

Here is what Putin should have done instead of invading.

1. Putin should have negotiated a peace deal over the eastern Ukraine.
2. He should have gotten UN approval for his deal.
3. He should have dissuaded the Donbass from declaring their independence.
4. Year in and out, Putin should have ignored the artillery and missile attacks upon the civilian population of Donbass and continued to negotiate for peace.
   — (remember to keep nodding so that your friend also nods in agreement)
5. Putin should have used diplomacy and negotiation for years instead of invading.
6. Putin should have ignored the build up of Ukrainian offensive forces at the line of contact with the Donbass.
7. Putin should have ignored the vicious ethnic-cleansing rhetoric from the Nazi elements in Ukraine and continued to use diplomacy.
   — (keep nodding)
8. Putin should have urged the Donbass to remain as part of a federalized system with Ukraine one with protected rights for the citizens of the Donbass.
9. Putin should have dissuaded the US and EU from building up the offensive forces of Ukraine.
10. Putin should have used diplomacy and negotiations continuously for years, whatever it takes.
11. Putin should have ignored the increased attacks upon the Donbass by Ukraine.
12. Putin should not have invaded.

At this point you turn to your friend and ask if they agree.

They will completely agree.

Now you inform your friend that Putin did all of those things. For many years.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)
Very interesting, the world view, how they see themselves and how they feel they are seen by the western "white people" vs the eastern "white people". There's a lot to unpack on that small sentence

"For the first time we came across white people who treated us as equal beings."

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/6537

I have to say, that is so extraordinary, and so very great to hear.

(Many readers will know that I spent part of my childhood in Africa and returned later to visit and travel there many times. I have Africa in my blood.)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)
When i see people saying the Russian army is incompetent, or lacking, or badly trained, i can only assume they have no clue or any kind of education about anything military. It also just says they have been ill informed by whatever news sources they read/listen to

Because once you are out there and see it for yourself, those words have nothing to do with reality, as for example on this video. These are amateur pilots, according to those who say the Russian air force is obsolete and incompetent

If you want to jump to something very cool, scroll to around 2:17 minute, then watch from there

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zsdWm835MTc

Yes! You actually have to slow it down to 0.25x speed to catch all the detail.

Not only the Russian pilots, but also the Russian planes. They have the Su-57 in action now, which is arguably superior to the US's bug-ridden, hyper-expensive and much-criticized F-35. This is another cool video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ST6EvvdqVEA

And not yet deployed at all in the SMO, Russia has the "White Swan of Death", the very advanced (and very fast) Tu-160 bomber.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3HkmTKhYtdE

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)

The US is done for

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xTEB8jEWpz4

That's hilarious

Posted by Mashika (here)
If this is true (i can't verify), then things for the west are waaaaaaaaaaaay worse than anything anyone could have assumed from what we were seeing

https://t.me/intelslava/31813

And yes, true and verified.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Animosteles/stat...49510947741702

https://twitter.com/Animosteles/stat...49516262129670

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/statu...82108231184385

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/statu...02843959701505

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[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/sta...91554217742337

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/sta...03470948188161

[Ravenlocke]

The Russian speaks to him in English and kindly.
https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...08106586611713

https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...40373383970817

https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...39474905423872

https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...39624159727622

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1540632678365597696

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1540990752511197184

https://www.rt.com/news/557828-congr...ssia-genocide/

US lawmakers attempt to declare Ukraine conflict a ‘genocide’ – media
A bipartisan group of US lawmakers introduced a resolution on Friday accusing Russia of committing “genocide” in Ukraine. The draft resolution reportedly accuses Russia of crimes that Moscow says were actually committed by Ukrainian forces and claims that Russian-speaking refugees were brought to Russian territory against their will.

The resolution, entitled ‘Recognizing Russian actions in Ukraine as a genocide,’ was introduced by Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tennessee) on Friday. While its text has not yet been made available on the US Congress’ website, Foreign Policy claimed on Saturday to have seen a draft.

According to Foreign Policy, the resolution “argues that atrocities committed by Russian troops in Ukraine, including indiscriminate attacks on civilians, the direct targeting of maternity hospitals and medical facilities” constitute genocide.

Russia condemns ‘barbaric’ shelling of Donetsk
Russia condemns ‘barbaric’ shelling of Donetsk
All of the above “atrocities” have been carried out by Ukrainian forces during the shelling of the predominantly Russian-speaking city of Donetsk in recent weeks, and at a lower intensity since 2014, according to Donetsk officials and reports from the city. At the beginning of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine in February, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that his forces were entering the country to stop the ongoing “humiliation and genocide” of the people of Donetsk and Lugansk.

The resolution also argues that “the forcible transfer of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to Russia and Russian-held territory” meets the criteria laid out by the United Nations in its Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

Around 1.5 million mostly Russian-speaking Ukrainians have fled to Russia since the outbreak of hostilities in February, as refugees headed east rather than west. Tens of thousands entered Russia prior to the start of the conflict.

'This is just a lie': How Jeff Bezos' Washington Post twisted a report about Donbass refugees to fit its narrative
'This is just a lie': How Jeff Bezos' Washington Post twisted a report about Donbass refugees to fit its narrative
The resolution is reportedly supported by a bipartisan group of House lawmakers who sit on the Helsinki Commission, a US government agency that says it “promotes human rights, military security, and economic cooperation” in Europe and Eurasia. Back in April, the commission pushed the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe to back Kiev’s evidence-free claims that Russia was committing genocide.

The Helsinki Commission also argued this week for the breakup and “decolonization” of the Russian Federation.

Should Cohen’s resolution be adopted, it would result in a symbolic declaration rather than an official shift in US policy. Genocide is a serious charge to prove and the political implications of the accusation mean it can take centuries for the US to officially agree a genocide took place, as was the case when US President Joe Biden formally recognized the Armenian Genocide in April, 107 years after it occurred.

Biden publicly stated in April that “it sure seems” that Russia was committing genocide in Ukraine, prompting his aides to announce that this remark did not amount to a policy statement. The UN has stated that it has seen no evidence of genocide in Ukraine, and French President Emmanuel Macron has urged world leaders to “be very careful” about using such terms.

[Ravenlocke]

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1541043600573734913

https://www.rt.com/news/557809-g7-su...aine-conflict/


G7 summit kicks off in Germany
The Group of Seven (G7) leaders are meeting in Germany for a three-day summit, which is expected to be dominated by the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Additional sanctions on Moscow, possible diplomatic solutions, and whether to put price caps on Russian oil are set to be on the agenda.

The G7 comprises the US, Canada, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Japan. EU officials usually participate in the group’s events as well.

It is the first such meeting since Russia – a member of the organization until 2014 – launched its military campaign in Ukraine in late February. The G7 members have subsequently imposed sweeping sanctions on Moscow and many are supplying weapons to Kiev, including missile launchers and other heavy weaponry.

The leaders are expected to coordinate further pressure on Russia and assistance to Ukraine. Prior to the current gathering, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced that Washington will continue to discuss “diplomatic strategies” with Ukraine and other partners.


British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, meanwhile, urged the G7 and NATO not to push Ukraine to “settle for a bad peace,” which would involve territorial concessions to Russia.

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Politico magazine has recently reported that Western countries are becoming “increasingly frustrated” that the bans on Russian oil have sparked petrol price hikes. US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen proposed a price cap on Moscow's crude to tackle the price increase and curtail Russia's revenues. The proposal is on the agenda of the G7, the magazine said.

Ahead of the summit, Russian President Vladimir Putin blamed the global inflation increase on the “irresponsible” economic policies of G7 members.

Aside from Ukraine conflict, Reuters reports citing US sources, G7 is also set to address China's "coercive economic practices."

While Moscow and Beijing are likely to take central stage in the discussions of the G7 leaders, global climate challenges are also expected to get their fair share of attention.

“We want to work together to combat global warming, achieve industrial transformation towards carbon neutrality and still have good jobs all over the world,” German Chancellor, Olaf Scholz, said ahead of the gathering.