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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    despite being in the midst of the ravages of war ..

    death ... casualties and injuries

    and billions upon billions sent to Ukraine without receipts from the receivers?

    apparently, there is ALWAYS, ALWAYS time for a photo shoot ...




    Following the publication of the piece, conservative pundits and politicians seized upon the photo shoot as evidence that the United States should not have sent $40 billion in aid to Ukraine to help its war effort against Russia


    'Read the room!' Zelensky and wife raise eyebrows by posing
    for glossy Vogue cover with famed photographer Annie Leibowitz
    as Ukraine's war against Russia rages on


    The Daily Mail Reports:

    • Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his wife Olen Zelenska's decision to sit down for a Vogue photoshoot has divided the internet

    • Many are pointing the massive amounts of aid given to the war torn country since the beginning of the Russian invasion in February

    • They say Zelensky's decision to pose for the glossy shoot is frivolous and makes a mockery of the war

    • Congresswoman Lauren Boebert said of the Ukrainian leadership: 'These people think we are nothing but a bunch of suckers'

    • Others have defended him, and hailed Zelensky for continuing to keep the conflict in the spotlight

    • While a Ukrainian citizen wrote online: 'Thank you Vogue for bringing awareness about Ukraine from the voices of actual Ukrainians'


    "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his wife Olena Zelenska have raised eyebrows after appearing in a glossy photoshoot for US Vogue.

    The pair were pictured together for the piece by renowned photographer Annie Leibowitz - although the article primarily focused on Zelenska, 44.

    It's titled: 'Portrait of Bravery: Ukraine's First Lady Olena Zelenska.'

    Following the publication of the piece, conservative pundits and politicians seized upon the photo shoot as evidence that the United States should not have sent $40 billion in aid to Ukraine to help its war effort against Russia.

    Republican Congresswoman Lauren Boebert tweeted an image of Zelensky and Zelenska together while saying: 'While we send Ukraine $60 billion in aid Zelensky is doing photoshoots for Vogue Magazine. These people think we are nothing but a bunch of suckers.'

    The article was written by Paris-based journalist Rachel Donadio. On Twitter, Donadio referred to the piece as: 'One of the most moving and memorable assignments of my career.'

    In the piece, Zelensky and his wife are shown together inside of their compound in Mariinsky Palace on the outskirts of Kyiv.

    In one photo, Zelenska is pictured beside the downed remains of the world's largest plane, the Antonov AN-225. The cargo aircraft was sabotaged at an airfield in Kyiv by Russian operatives in February.

    Zelenska told Vogue: 'These have been the most horrible months of my life, and the lives of every Ukrainian.'

    She went on: 'Frankly I don't think anyone is aware of how we have managed emotionally. We're looking forward to victory. We have no doubt we will prevail. And this is what keeps us going.'

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    The former comedy writer also said

    "I like being backstage—it suited me.

    Moving into the limelight was quite difficult for me.'
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    read full article here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Leibowitz.html


    (somehow? i don't quite believe that last quote ...)
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    From Gonzalo Lira, today, via Twitter:



    Link: https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/...34552568381440
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    From: https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/new...es/id/1824178/

    Published 27.07.2022 22:01
    Commentary by MFA Spokesperson Maria Zakharova on the OSCE/ODIHR Report

    We drew attention to the recently published interim report of the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) “On Alleged Violations of International Humanitarian Law and International Human Rights Law in Ukraine”.

    No surprises found. The ODIHR and its director M. Mecacci once again confirmed not only their unwillingness to take an objective approach to assessing the existing realities, but also their misunderstanding of the essence of their powers.

    This document is largely a compilation of excerpts from the reports of various UN structures, the content of which we have already commented on in various formats. And the interviews given in the report with almost fifty unnamed "witnesses of the events" do not stand up to criticism, given that some of them bear traces of "word of mouth" with retellings of certain stories on behalf of second and even third parties.

    Such information, if respected by an international audience, must be obtained first hand. And the ODIHR seems to have a real problem with this. And not for the first time. This is confirmed by numerous references to the news reports of such news agencies and media as CNN, BBC, Associated Press and the Guardian, whose politicized and one-sided editorial policy has been repeatedly pointed out even in the Western press. And why is it worth citing the “investigations” of the NGO Human Rights Watch, which, among others, was noted in its time on the topic of the “atrocities” of the Russian military in Bucha, almost immediately everywhere debunked as fakes. And such insinuations in the presented "document" are more than enough.

    At the same time, the Bureau frankly plays along with the Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis, calling the UPA, recognized by the Nuremberg Tribunal as a criminal, "Ukrainian patriotic army." Against this backdrop, it is not surprising that the concern expressed in the report is that the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation may recognize the Azov Battalion as a terrorist organization, which will deprive its members of the status of combatants.

    In the same row are the attempts of the ODIHR, which does not have the authority to collect “witness testimony” on violations of international humanitarian law, to lay responsibility for the events in Bucha, the attack on the Drama Theater and the maternity hospital in Mariupol, etc. on Russia. At the same time, only a few remarks are addressed to the Kyiv regime, in particular, in connection with numerous cases of torture of the Russian military. About the ban on the activities of political parties in Ukraine , the arrests and disappearances of pro-Russian activists, the suppression of the property and language rights of their own population - almost not a word.

    Against this background, with growing disappointment, we have to state that the leadership of the ODIHR, despite its mandate, is slipping more and more rapidly onto Russophobic tracks, discrediting not only the OSCE executive structure itself , but the Organization as a whole.
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    From: https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1824173/

    27 July 2022 21:57
    Comment by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Finland’s proposal to ban tourist Schengen visas for Russian citizens

    The potential implementation of a ban on the issuance of Schengen visas to Russian tourists, which has been energetically supported by representatives of Finland’s largest political parties, will be an openly discriminatory political measure. It is notable that the proposal is being discussed in a country that claims to be a leader in promoting international cooperation on human rights and freedoms.

    Finnish politicians are quite open about the main reason for their initiative: the futile attempts to punish Russia and its citizens as much as possible. The initiators of the ban have not mentioned any risks to Finland’s security or threats to the health of its citizens.

    We are gravely concerned about Finland’s readiness to abandon its international commitment to facilitate mutual travel and human contacts, as well as the economic interests of its own businesses. These actions will ultimately lead to the re-establishment of dividing lines in Europe and, consequently, will increase tensions. Or is this Finland’s NATO admission fee?

    Restrictions on Russians’ travel for political reasons will be one more step towards aggravating confrontation in bilateral relations. Russia reserves its right to take reciprocal measures if these plans are implemented.
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    It is my understanding that the Ministry of Defence of Russia is very specific and thorough when distributing information. They do not lie. They are under the impression that they would face extreme scrutiny if they were not honest; especially from the collective west. I follow their Telegram from time to time.

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    Euronews: People flee Ukraine to Donbass
    Euronews reported something that doesn't fit the Western media narrative: long queues of refugees fleeing Ukraine to the Donbass have formed.(translation)


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    Euronews is not a Russian, but a Western propaganda channel, which is even blocked on the Internet in Russia for this reason. It is therefore all the more remarkable that Euronews has now published a video in its Russian-language edition that shows long queues forming at the only border crossing where people can leave Ukraine for Russian-controlled territory.

    I will translate here the Euronews story , of which a video was also published, and then a TASS story also on the subject.


    Start of translation:

    Ukrainians are returning to the occupied territories
    Thousands of Ukrainians are returning to their homes in areas occupied by Russian troops. 150 to 200 vehicles cross the only border crossing in Zaporizhia every day.

    The Ukrainian side warns its fellow citizens of the dangers and does not allow weapons or fuel through - something that could be used by Russian soldiers. Many have to wait up to 10 days for a permit to park.

    The refugees are not always willing to talk to journalists, at the same time many do not hide their fear and describe their situation very cautiously.

    “I have my mother and sister who live there. If you don't touch the Russians, don't provoke them, you live more or less well there."

    Ukrainians say they are returning not only to see their families again, but also in search of jobs they could not find on Ukrainian territory.

    end of translation


    Now we come to the TASS report on this subject.

    Start of translation:

    Basurin: The waiting time to leave the Ukrainian-controlled areas can be up to 24 hours
    According to the deputy head of the People's Militia of the DNR, "the queues are very long"

    There are many people wanting to leave Ukraine for allied-controlled areas, and waits in lines can range from 10 hours to a day. This was stated by Eduard Basurin, deputy head of the People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic (DNR), on Monday.

    “In the Zaporizhia region there is a border crossing between Ukraine and the area that is no longer controlled by the Ukrainian authorities. People from Ukraine living not only in the Zaporizhia and Kherson Oblasts, but also in the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics pass through this border crossing. The people come back. <…> The queues are very long. Some days it takes at least 10 hours for people to cross the border, sometimes even 24 hours. But people come and make these hardships to get home,” he said on Russian television.

    Basurin explained that among the people entering the allied-controlled areas there are many residents of the Donbass republics who could not leave Ukraine due to the current restrictions. “When the pandemic was declared, the borders between us and Ukraine were closed and many people who had gone there for various reasons were unable to leave. <…> Now there is an opportunity for people to go back home,” he explained.

    According to him, some people go to relatives to "wait it out." “People are trying to flee the lawlessness in Ukraine. Some people come to their relatives and friends. This isn't her home. They just come to hide, to endure this torment of Ukraine,” he concluded.

    end of translation


    By the way, a law was passed in Ukraine back in April that allows for the confiscation of property from Russians and anyone who refuses to criticize the “Russian war of aggression” . In addition, Ukraine is currently debating a law that would punish those who acquire Russian citizenship with up to 15 years in prison .

    With the repression in Ukraine taking on increasingly absurd and intolerable forms, it is understandable that the flow of refugees from Ukraine towards Russian-controlled areas is increasing. After all, in the West, people cannot expect any protection from these Ukrainian laws and would even have to expect extradition to Ukraine if the repressive apparatus there targeted them.



    https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.transla..._x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Guess Who Bought-Up Ukraine Farmland Since 2014 Coup?

    For those of us who have been scratching our heads as to why the US and EU are so bent on "helping" Ukraine, I found something out today:

    Since the 2014 Coup which overthrew Democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovich, and put a puppet regime, favorable to the west, in his place . . . .


    three giant corporations -- Cargill, DuPont and Monsanto -- bought seventeen million hectares of Ukraine agricultural land. That's sixty percent (60%) of the total agricultural land in Ukraine!

    Thought you'd be interested in that.


    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...ince-2014-coup

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    STUNNING! Massive Escalation of Ukraine War


    Today an elected official from Donetsk, announced the latest plan for Ukraine and it marks the single most stunning change since Russia began its Special Military Operation (SMO).

    Denis Pushilin is a politician from the Donetsk region who has served as Head of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) since 2018.

    He had previously served as Chairman of the People's Council, and became the acting Head of State following the assassination of incumbent Alexander Zakharchenko amidst the conflict in the east Ukraine region. He successfully ran for election to a full term in the 2018 elections.

    That being said, when Pushilin speaks, he speaks with authority; he's "in-the-loop" as it was his administration that asked for -- and got -- protection from Russia through the ongoing SMO.

    This morning, Pushilin made the following announcement:

    “Today it's time to liberate again Russian cities founded by Russian people: Kiev, Chernihiv, Poltava, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Lutsk"

    This announcement is likely the single most dramatic change since the Russian Army crossed into Ukraine back on February 24. The escalation of warfare necessary to accomplish this, now seems to fully explain why so many more trainloads of Russia troops and armor poured into the theater of war all last week, nearly TRIPLING the amount of Russian firepower available (but not yet deployed) inside Ukraine.

    The war is about to escalate in ways no one thought possible.


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    An excellent 45 minute show on Infowars that aired yesterday, with Robert Barnes hosting (and doing a superb job, better than Alex Jones would hae done), the guests being Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris from The Duran.

    Alexander Mercouris in particular deserves a top billing on any show anywhere. He's the best geopolitical analyst there is right now, bar none.

    The best title for the video might be Ukraine, Europe, Russia and China for Dummies. It's actually a very good video to show someone who's not fully up to speed with a whole range of current global issues.

    https://banned.video/watch?id=62e1af612a02302e3f6b5552

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    three giant corporations -- Cargill, DuPont and Monsanto -- bought seventeen million hectares of Ukraine agricultural land. That's sixty percent (60%) of the total agricultural land in Ukraine!

    Thought you'd be interested in that.


    That is something to look at.

    Is it "what cannot be lost"?


    Does the whole "western economy" depend on something?

    The U. S. State Dept. is negotiating with no less than the Taliban about the U. S. giving back the Afghan money they stole.


    But here is what just happened in neighbor India:


    On Friday, India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi is set to launch the country’s first International Bullion Exchange (IIBX) in his home state of Gujarat. India is the second biggest consumer market of gold, importing over 700 tons annually.


    and a comment from a few days ago:


    The ace card is a financial crisis that China will unleash, by revaluation of it’s huge gold reserves repriced in Yuan, not the current fake suppressed US dollar price. This reset of a gold price in Yuan would instantly destroying the US dollar as a store of value, as the US dollar is backed by nothing. The global debt burden with derivatives is now almost four quadrillion or 4,000,000,000,000,000. It’s a number that only has meaning when extinguished, taking all prices of all assets to zero. The tangible assets will still survive but will be assigned a totally different value.

    And against what is currency and debt devalued? Carl Menger, founder of the Austrian School of economics, was the first to explain that money is liquidity. And gold is the most liquid asset. Gold has been the reference point of value since the origins of money. It is against gold that a currency must be devalued to relieve debts. A currency has no intrinsic value, and a gold substitute, such as the Yuan, exchangeable for gold, at a fixed rate, can function as a proxy for the underlying value, gold. China has plenty of gold and the means to transact commodities by Yuan settlement on the Shanghai Gold Exchange. Convertible contracts in a gold derivative like the Yuan would be the final blow to the US dollar and all currencies linked to the dollar; Yen; Sterling; and the Euro. Central banks in the West are already insolvent.


    Who knows, exactly, what will happen, but one can see the material fact. Without making a photo montage, the shots from Lavrov's current world tour are certainly a lot more welcoming than those of Biden. The actual defeat that will be experienced here is unimaginable.

    We have already seen that on a peer level attack, the U. S. cannot even respond to Iran.

    If we read their clever plans, it is to spend twenty years in the arms race to catch up where Russia is now.


    As we have mostly found, there are two sides at work here, and almost everything is related. Here is the next tick of geopolitical adjustment:


    Iran arrests Mossad

    Israel's Defense Minister Benny Gantz confirmed that the Russian military opened fire at Israeli fighter jets in May from an S-300 long-range air-defense system, at the end of an aerial attack that targeted a military research complex near the town of Masyaf in northwestern Syria.

    Turkey is ready to support the “Syrian regime” against the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said during an interview with TV 100 on July 17.


    The casualties of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are going to double or triple in a few days. Operational tempo much?

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    • Public Opinion Seems To Be Turning Against Compulsory Military Service In Ukraine, How Will The Zelensky Regime React To It?
    Five months after Russia's military offensive in Ukraine, many in the latter state are beginning to object to conscription imposed by the Kiev regime. Especially now that the propaganda about the victory, which can now come any day, is starting to lose its strength, writes Maksim Artemyev .

    Popular Ukrainian blogger and activist Yuri Kashanov recently posted on his Facebook page, lamenting: “Let's stop mobilization, open the borders, and close all military recruiting offices… Let the professional soldiers do the fighting – after all, they're going to be there for it.” paid – and let the volunteers join in, because they want to fight. But I am an untrained civilian, unfit for war, I let myself be killed. And I pay my taxes too!”
    With this provocative post, Kashanov wanted to start a discussion about compulsory military service in Ukraine. But the results of the debate came as a shock to the blogger: “Judging by the comments on my previous post, nine out of ten Ukrainians do not intend to fight; they are against the national mobilization, and also against the ban on men leaving the country.”

    It should be noted that Kashanov's supporters, like himself, are staunch supporters of the idea that Ukraine must fight Russia to the bitter end. And yet, even among them, the vast majority have no desire to die for the glory of Ukraine.

    Modern society is built on a very self-conscious attitude towards one's health. The first thing you see when you go online are banner ads that say “10 Warning Signs You Have Cancer” or “How to Relieve Joint Pain”, etc. Other core values ​​include physical integrity, the right to privacy, and of course the everyday comfort and convenience. None of these values ​​go well with the sordid reality of the front line. One could say that the whole ethos of war is at odds with the values ​​of today's society.
    Ukraine is a country largely populated by one- or two-child families. How many of its citizens would volunteer to be killed or crippled? It is therefore not surprising that the Ukrainians do not want to go to war. Yes, if you listen to what they say, the majority of Ukrainians are patriots. But when it comes to getting up from the couch and actually going to the front, very few are willing to "put their hands on the line".
    And I can't imagine that after another 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers were killed on the battlefield, anyone would feel motivated to join the cause. In fact, it would probably have the opposite effect: "I don't want to die like everyone else." It's much safer to have fiery debates on social media from home or watch the fights on YouTube.

    In addition, Ukraine is experiencing a demographic crisis: the population has shrunk from 52 million in 1991 to barely more than 30 million, before the conflict erupted in February. The situation is so bad that the state has avoided taking a census for more than two decades.

    I read daily Ukrainian mainstream media and social media, which are heavily censored by the Kiev regime. Its output is quite different from the reality on the ground.
    The internet is awash with videos of Ukrainian soldiers refusing to fight, complaining that their fleeing commanders are throwing them at tanks like cannon fodder – without any equipment or training. There are hundreds of these videos and new ones are uploaded every day. They were made by Ukrainians in military uniforms, not by Russian state media. The number of videos showing Ukrainian women refusing to allow their husbands to be taken by the police or recruiters is also on the rise.

    Despite this, the Ukrainian media and elite bloggers avoid commenting on this. They naturally want to silence a phenomenon that is the key to understanding what is happening to the country. In the course of numerous speeches to his people, President Vladimir Zelensky has not once mentioned the innumerable incidents of soldiers refusing to obey orders, which is usually the case with mobilized men and volunteers at the front who believed they were in the near their home areas.
    The reasoning is often that they are not willing to risk their lives so that Russian does not become a second official language, or Kiev can become a formal ally of the US. The price is too high for what is at stake.

    It's no wonder, then, that the Ukrainian media pretend the issue doesn't exist. Just acknowledging that so many soldiers are disaffected would shatter the carefully constructed image of a nation united in selfless patriotism.

    The Ukrainian government's gag order not to publish data on the military's losses - which is not being challenged by the Western media - is no coincidence either. The authorities prefer to keep their people in the dark as to the number of those who have already died. This policy has so far paid off. The May and June polls of the International Institute of Sociology of Kiev and NORC of the University of Chicago, commissioned by the Wall Street Journal, show that 90% of the population in the Kiev-controlled area has confidence in the Ukrainian army, and 85% in Zelensky, who has banned the opposition. Curiously, 89% of those polled voted against ceding any territory.

    All this gives a clear answer to the question of why Kiev actively recruits foreign mercenaries. Since they are more motivated than Ukraine's own recruits, they can be deployed in the more dangerous zones. It is possible that the regime's biggest problem is that it does not know how to deal with the fact that civilians en masse are trying to avoid being drafted and sent to the front lines. The official ban on all male citizens between the ages of 18 and 60 from leaving the country is in itself indicative of Zelensky's reasoning that those allowed to leave the country would hardly want to come back to fight. However, it offers no solution. Instead, it demotivates people more and more.
    The military recruiting agencies are extremely disorganized. Recruitment campaigns are held on the streets, in shopping centers, and even on public beaches. It has also been reported that recruiters use their power to summon eligible men as a means of pressure against them or as a means of retaliation or punishment. This shows again that many consider the prospect of enlisting in the military to protect the homeland as undesirable rather than an honor.

    It is not impossible that in the absence of decent-paying civilian jobs, some will volunteer to join the armed forces just to feed themselves and their families. However, the number is not large enough to fill the gaps with volunteers. A certain number of recruits will have to be called up. It remains unclear how Kiev plans to tackle this dire problem, when so many seem to think the case is not worth risking their own lives for.
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    This just in from the complaints department:


    The United States has delivered a dozen M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) to Ukraine, and promises to send at least four more. The Russian military has reported on the destruction of four HIMARS in precision strikes...


    Ok, so, they do in fact lose a substantial portion rather quickly. Have to keep those things hidden, never use them. Mother may I:


    “Presidential advisor Mikhail Podolyak laid out [Ukraine’s military] needs last month: 2,000 troop transport vehicles, 1,000 gun-mounted vehicles, 500 tanks, 300 multiple launch rocket systems, and also the drones and communications equipment necessary to maximize the effectiveness of these systems,” Gerashchenko said in an interview with Newsweek.

    “HIMARS and heavy artillery are a good first step, but if we do not have the technology to find and correct targets for artillery strikes, then we’re just shooting blind,” the official lamented.



    So, he can't get "good" targets, but:


    The Ukrainian military showed off the extent of its effort to “liberate” Donbass territory using HIMARS on Friday, with territorial defense officials in the Donetsk People’s Republic reporting that some 53 people were killed and 75 others injured in a HIMARS strike on a detention center in Yelenovka, DPR, with the facility containing Ukrainian prisoners of war, including members of the notorious ultra-right Azov Regiment.


    They have found another way to crush testimony.

    The U. S. says if they keep sending these things, they will run out of ammunition. Remember, you only need to send a few thousand pieces of heavy equipment around the world, where everything is basically sitting ducks for someone who is being nice enough not to auto-fry every civilian possible.

    These western officials are not capable of leading a lesson about putting on socks. Suggestions:

    1. Bury head in sand

    2. Breathe deeply

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    A Panicking Biden Administration Seeks Talks With Russia

    July 29, 2022

    Here is another story that demonstrates the incompetence and arrogance of the Biden administration.

    The New York Times reports of a potential prisoner swap between the U.S. and Russia:

    [T]he Biden administration has proposed trading the merchant of death for the imprisoned basketball player as well as a former marine held in Russia on what are considered trumped-up espionage charges. In the harsh and cynical world of international diplomacy, prisoner exchanges are rarely pretty, but unpalatable choices are often the only choices on the table.
    Whether the swap would go through remained unclear. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken made the offer public in part to reassure the families of Brittney Griner, the basketball player, and Paul N. Whelan, the former marine, that the administration is doing all it can to free them.

    Russian officials, who have long sought the release of the arms trafficker Viktor Bout, confirmed the discussion on Thursday but said Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov was too busy to talk with Mr. Blinken now.

    Typically prisoner swaps are not talked about publicly before they happen:

    Some veteran hostage negotiators were perplexed that Mr. Blinken made the offer public. “It is baffling why the U.S. would announce this proposal in the midst of the negotiations,” said Rob Saale, the former head of the F.B.I.-led Hostage Recovery Fusion Cell. “If you’re in sensitive negotiations why would you want to air this out publicly? It makes me wonder if the Russians haven’t already declined the deal.”
    Mr. Saale suspicion was justified as the Washington Post now reports:

    The Biden administration disclosed publicly that the United States had made “a substantial offer” to Russia to secure the release of two American prisoners because closed-door negotiations had stalled, an administration official said Thursday.
    The administration hopes public pressure will lead Moscow to engage in negotiations resulting in basketball star Brittney Griner and security consultant Paul Whelan being released from Russian prison, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations.

    U.S. officials say they have tried for weeks to broker the releases of Griner and Whelan. But the lack of progress, and the prospect of Griner soon facing conviction and sentencing on drug charges, prompted the administration this week to make the negotiations public.

    I do not understand why the administration had started such negotiations even before the Griner court case has been closed. In general such prisoners will only be pardoned and released to the other side after they have been sentenced. Anything else would raise accusations of executive interference in the judicial process. The Brittney Griner case, over admitted smuggling of cannabis oil, is still in court. The Russian government will obviously refrain from doing anything about her before the judicial process has ended.

    One suspects that the prisoner exchange is much more about Paul Whelan, who likely is a CIA asset. He had passports from four countries and in 2007 started traveling to Moscow while serving as a Marine in Iraq:

    Whelan went on to seek out more Russian friends, using the country's social networking service VK among others.
    A scroll through their profiles, soon after his arrest, revealed almost all to be men - most considerably younger than him. Some do have clear military connections - including photographs in uniform - though not all, and no-one who replied to my messages had seen any reason to doubt Whelan's motives.
    ...
    The man Whelan accuses of framing him was one of his oldest friends in Russia. He is also a serving intelligence officer.

    Defence lawyers disclosed some details of the men's relationship early on in the case, including how the American had visited his friend's house in Sergiev Posad outside Moscow for "saunas and kebabs" the winter before his arrest.

    They also said he owed Whelan around 80,000 roubles ($1,147; £930) which the FSB claimed was advance payment for intelligence. The defence team said the Russian had requested a loan to buy a gift for his wife, as part of his trap.

    The Russian side says that they found a USB stick in Whelan's pocket with a list of FSB members which had been handed to him by his bribed friend.

    It may well be that Whelan was trapped by the FSB. But that does not exclude that he also was a spy. His documented behavior surely raises that suspicion:

    On December 28, 2018, Whelan was arrested in the Moscow area by the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), which later confirmed his arrest. Whelan's twin brother David said Whelan arrived in Moscow on December 22 to attend the wedding of a former fellow Marine at the Hotel Metropol Moscow and to assist the groom's family members on their first visit to Russia, a country he had visited many times. He said his brother planned to return to Michigan on January 6, 2019, via Saint Petersburg.
    Per MBK News, an outlet run by Putin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Whelan had $80,000 in cash "temporarily confiscated" during a customs inspection at Domodedovo Airport. According to the New York Times, Whelan had acted as a local guide for the wedding guests, but had decided to spend the day of the wedding to meet a friend, per the account of other attendees.

    Why is the Biden administration now racing to get a prisoner exchange? Why is it publishing that it is doing so? I really see no good reason for that.

    There are of course, as M.K. Bhadrakumar notes, other important reasons why Blinken wants to talk with Russia:

    Blinken then came to the real purpose of his forthcoming call with Lavrov — “the plans that Russia now has to pursue the annexation of Ukrainian territory.”
    Blinken repeated the hyperbole that sanctions are having “a powerful and also growing effect” and has “weakened Russia profoundly” and the Biden administration will do all that it can “to strengthen Ukraine’s position on the battlefield so it has the strongest possible position at the negotiating table.”

    However, what comes through is the growing disquiet in Washington that to its utter disbelief, the Russian stance has only hardened lately. Blinken said it is “causing alarms.” In particular, he noted Lavrov’s remark last week that the Kremlin’s goals in Ukraine had expanded. “Now they seek to claim more Ukrainian territory, beyond the Donbas,” he commented.

    Indeed, the war has spun out of US algorithm. As Hungarian PM Orban pointed out last week, anti-Russian sanctions “have not shaken Moscow,” but Europe has already lost four governments and is in an economic and political crisis.

    Russia is paying back to the US and NATO in the same coin that the latter did when they dismembered Yugoslavia.

    The U.S. sees that its proxy war against Russia is not going into the hoped for direction:

    The spectre of the collapse of EU economies is rattling the Biden Administration. A CNN report yesterday was titled US officials say ‘biggest fear’ has come true as Russia cuts gas supplies to Europe. It said the Biden administration “is working furiously behind the scenes to keep European allies united” as the blowback from the sanctions against Russia hits them and the “impact on Europe could boomerang back onto the US, spiking natural gas and electricity prices.”

    The report quoted an unnamed US official saying Russia’s retaliation for western sanctions has put the West in “unchartered territory.” Suffice to say, Blinken’s call underscores the desperate urgency in Washington to open a line of communication to Moscow at the political level.

    It was obvious that the Russian side would use the publishing of the potential prisoner exchange to its advantage:

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Thursday that diplomatic silence typically surrounds negotiations regarding prisoner releases. Announcements are usually made “about agreements that have been completed,” Peskov said, and no agreements have been finalized.
    The Russian government acknowledged Thursday that it had received Blinken’s request, but the media service Interfax reported that Lavrov would respond “when his own schedule allows.”

    “Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov will pay attention to this request as soon as time allows,” ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said, according to Interfax. “Currently, his schedule of international contacts is packed full of real affairs: the SCO [Shanghai Cooperation Organization] council of foreign ministers in Tashkent, bilateral meetings.”

    Yes, the foreign minister of 'isolated Russia', who was recently friendly received in several African countries, is very busy with meeting dozens of foreign dignitaries. He has no time for a call with some U.S. minion known for making unfounded accusations and unreasonable requests.

    The Russian's will let Blinken squirm for a while over the unimportant prisoner affair and other issues.

    The delusion reflected in the Washington Post write up shows that the U.S. has yet to come to its senses:

    Lavrov on Wednesday concluded a four-day trip to Africa and is now in Uzbekistan, part of a flurry of recent diplomatic visits, as Russia seeks to bolster its remaining partnerships amid deepening international isolation over its war in Ukraine.
    How please is the alleged international isolation of Russia 'deepening`? After the first flurry of sanctions, solely by NATO, EU and 5-eyes countries, no other country has joined the 'western' Russia bashing or put up sanctions. Russia's international standing with the other 80+% of humanity has in fact increased ever since.

    The Washington Post writer, as well as the whole Biden administration, has some serious delusions about Russia's role in the now multipolar world.

    Lavrov, Peskov and Maria Zakharova are experienced professionals. If one wants to talk with them one should be on a similar level.

    Blinken does not even come near to that.

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    The White House divulged a proposal it had for Moscow on exchanging Russian citizen Viktor Bout for the Americans Brittney Griner and Paul Whelan, because the Kremlin did not provide a "meaningful response" to it, according to CNN. Earlier, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters that there were no agreements yet on the exchange. Meanwhile, experts interviewed by Kommersant believe that the conditions put forward by the US are not ideal.

    According to media reports, US officials proposed the swap idea back in June, inspired by the success of the April exchange of Konstantin Yaroshenko for Trevor Reed.

    Brittney Griner’s defense did not comment on the situation, saying that the team did not take part in the negotiations. At the same time, attorneys interviewed by Kommersant believe that the athlete could be exchanged only after the verdict. Until then Griner remains innocent.

    Vladimir Zherebenkov, a lawyer for US citizen Paul Whelan convicted in 2020, told Kommersant that he knows and expects that the US authorities want to exchange him. "But I consider their conditions unfair. I have one explanation: they consider Bout to be a very significant and dangerous figure. However, such negotiations are held in secret, and I think that our diplomats are actively working on it," he said.

    Vice President of the Russian branch of the International Committee for the Defense for Human Rights Ivan Melnikov told the newspaper that the conditions put forward by the US are unlikely to accelerate this process. "The one for one exchange, according to my information, would have been virtually resolved and everything could have happened very quickly, but the current situation is a step back," Melnikov said.

    He said he hopes that the US will reconsider its position. If not, then Russia can offer the US authorities a two-for-two exchange, according to the expert, about 2,000 Russian citizens are currently held in US prisons.

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