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    https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/0...ucha-massacre/


    Questions Abound About Bucha Massacre
    April 4, 2022
    The West has made a snap judgment about who is responsible for the massacre at the Ukrainian town of Bucha with calls for more stringent sanctions on Russia, but the question of guilt is far from decided, writes Joe Lauria.


    Victims in Bucha. (Ukrainian Ministry of Digital Development Mikhail Fedorov/Wikimedia Commons)

    Within hours of news Sunday that there had been a massacre at Bucha, a town 63 kms north of the Ukrainian capital, the verdict was in: Russian troops had senselessly slaughtered hundreds of innocent civilians as they withdrew from the town, leaving their bodies littering the streets.

    Unlike their judicial systems, when it comes to war, Western nations dispense with the need for investigations and evidence and pronounce guilt based on political motives: Russia is guilty. Case closed.

    Except the case hasn’t even been opened yet and the sentence is already being proposed. French President Emmanuel Macron, for instance, has called for Russian coal and oil to be banned from Europe. “There are very clear indications of war crimes,” he said on France Inter radio Monday. “What happened in Bucha demands a new round of sanctions and very clear measures, so we will co-ordinate with our European partners, especially with Germany.”

    Other voices are now perilously calling for the U.S. to go to war with Russia over the incident.

    “This is genocide,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told Face the Nation on CBS. “Mothers of Russians should see this. See what bastards you’ve raised. Murderers, looters, butchers,” he added on Telegram.

    Russia has categorically denied it had anything to do with the massacre.

    Where to Start

    If there were to be a serious probe, one of the first places an investigator would begin is to map out a timeline of events.

    Last Wednesday, all Russian forces left Bucha, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

    This was confirmed on Thursday by a smiling Anatolii Fedoruk, the mayor of Bucha, in a video on the Bucha City Council official Facebook page. The translated post accompanying the video says:

    “March 31 – the day of the liberation of Bucha. This was announced by Bucha Mayor Anatolii Fedoruk. This day will go down in the glorious history of Bucha and the entire Bucha community as a day of liberation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian occupiers.”

    All of the Russian troops are gone and yet there is no mention of a massacre. The beaming Fedoruk says it is a “glorious day” in the history of Bucha, which would hardly be the case if hundreds of dead civilians littered the streets around Fedoruk.

    “Russian Defence Ministry denied accusations by the Kiev regime of the alleged killing of civilians in Bucha, Kiev Region. Evidence of crimes in Bucha appeared only on the fourth day after the Security Service of Ukraine and representatives of Ukrainian media arrived in the town. All Russian units completely withdrew from Bucha on March 30, and ‘not a single local resident was injured’ during the time when Bucha was under the control of Russian troops,” the Russian MOD said in a post on Telegram.

    What Happened Next?

    What happened then on Friday and Saturday? As pointed out in a piece by Jason Michael McCann on Standpoint Zero, The New York Times was in Bucha on Saturday and did not report a massacre. Instead, the Times said the withdrawal was completed on Saturday, two days after the mayor said it was, and that the Russians left “behind them dead soldiers and burned vehicles, according to witnesses, Ukrainian officials, satellite images and military analysts.”

    The Times said reporters found the bodies of six civilians. “It was unclear under what circumstances they had died, but the discarded packaging of a Russian military ration was lying beside one man who had been shot in the head,” the paper said. It then quoted a Zelensky adviser, who said:

    “’The bodies of people with tied hands, who were shot dead by soldiers lie in the streets,’ the adviser, Mykhailo Podolyak, said on Twitter. ‘These people were not in the military. They had no weapons. They posed no threat.’ He included an image of a scene, photographed by Agence France-Presse, showing three bodies on the side of a road, one with hands apparently tied behind the back. The New York Times was unable to independently verify Mr. Podolyak’s claim the people had been executed.'”

    It is possible that on Saturday the full extent of the horror had yet to emerge, and that even the mayor was unaware of it two days before, though photos now show many of the bodies out in the open on the streets of the town, something that presumably would be difficult to miss.

    In Bucha, the Times was close to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, whose soldiers appear in the newspaper’s photographs. In his piece, McCann suggests that Azov may responsible for the killings:

    “Something very interesting then happens on [Saturday] 2 April, hours before a massacre is brought to the attention of the national and international media. The US and EU-funded Gorshenin Institute online [Ukrainian language] site Left Bank announced that:

    ‘Special forces have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces.’

    The Russian military has by now completely left the city, so this sounds for all the world like reprisals. The state authorities would be going through the city searching for ‘saboteurs’ and ‘accomplices of Russian forces.’ Only the day before [Friday], Ekaterina Ukraintsiva, representing the town council authority, appeared on an information video on the Bucha Live Telegram page wearing military fatigues and seated in front of a Ukrainian flag to announce ‘the cleansing of the city.’ She informed residents that the arrival of the Azov battalion did not mean that liberation was complete (but it was, the Russians had fully withdrawn), and that a ‘complete sweep’ had to be performed.”

    Ukraintsiva was speaking a day after the mayor had said the town was liberated.

    By Sunday morning, the world learned of the massacre of hundreds of people. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We strongly condemn apparent atrocities by Kremlin forces in Bucha and across Ukraine. We are pursuing accountability using every tool available, documenting and sharing information to hold accountable those responsible.” President Joe Biden on Monday called for a “war crimes” trial. “This guy is brutal, and what’s happening in Bucha is outrageous, and everyone’s seen it. I think it’s a war crime.”

    The Bucha incident is a critical moment in the war. An impartial investigation is warranted, which probably only the U.N. could conduct. The Azov Battalion may have perpetrated revenge killings against Russian collaborators, or the Russians carried out this massacre. (Once again the Pentagon is dampening the war hysteria, saying it can’t confirm or deny Russia was responsible.)

    A rush to judgment is dangerous, with irresponsible talk of the U.S. directly fighting Russia. But it is a rush to judgment that we are getting.

    Joe Lauria is editor-in-chief of Consortium News and a former U.N. correspondent for The Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, and numerous other newspapers, including The Montreal Gazette and The Star of Johannesburg. He was an investigative reporter for the Sunday Times of London, a financial reporter for Bloomberg News and began his professional work as a 19-year old stringer for The New York Times. He can be reached at joelauria@consortiumnews.com and followed on Twitter @unjoe

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    Today's update from The Saker. He (Andrei) has his own rather acerbic, opinionated style, but his information is good.
    Day 39 of the Russian Special Military Operation – a few developments

    First, in Hungary, Viktor Orban won a supermajority in the latest elections. This makes perfect sense, as Orban’s policies have guaranteed that Hungary will get her energy at a low and stable price for the next 15 years (if I remember correctly) while the Eurolemmings will get their at astronomic prices on the spot markets which they themselves chose over long term contracts. The same goes for food items, fertilizer, etc.

    I want to congratulate the Hungarian people not only on being the smartest in Europe, but for showing and proving that even a nation which is part of the EU and NATO can defend its own national interests.

    Now about the Bucha fake, I won’t repeat it all here, I rather simply refer you to these:
    I also would like to use this opportunity to point you to the YouTube channel of Patrick Lancaster: https://youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday

    Unlike Gonzalo Lira who is in Kharkov, Lancaster reports from Mariupol. They have very different styles, but they both deserve the recognition for the crucial work they are doing.

    I also noticed that the Chinese channel CGTN has very good correspondent in the Ukraine, although I have heard him only on the Russian-language CGTN chanel. Here is the main one, FYI: https://youtube.com/c/cgtn.

    Finally, it appears that the USA is trying to color-revolutionize Imran Khan in Pakistan and that this might even involve a plot to kill that man. Makes me wonder – did the CIA really learn nothing from Belarus or Kazakhstan???

    In Russia the mass exodus of pro-western 5th columnists is continuing, which is a real cause for celebration. The sad part is that the official spokesman for the Kremlin, Peskov, seems to think that these folks are not traitors.

    Considering how the Atlantic Integrationists in the Presidential Administration and the Russian Government have totally mismanaged PR war, and then sent a pitiful figure like Medinsky to talk, which resulted in a real panic in Russia as most Russians are much more afraid to have diplomats negate all the efforts of the military. Frankly, sending Ramzan Kadyrov to negotiate would have been a much better move.

    If the first phase of the war has shown that the Russians could achieve amazing results against a major force with a smaller force and the focus on maneuver, it has, alas, also shown that Russian PYSOPs and Civil Affairs capabilities are minimal and mostly ineffective. Now, wars can be won with little or not efforts allocated to PYSOPs and Civil Affairs, but such wars are much more costly not only in time and money, but also in human lives.

    Negotiations, PSYOPs, Civil Affairs and military operations have to work together, towards a common goal – then they act as a force multiplier. But when civilians do their own thing and the military their own, this needlessly complicates military operations and make wars much harder to end.

    In all fairness to the Russians, they never had the kind of propaganda resources the Empire of Lies has. In fact, since US forces are typically of poor military value, the US has developed very sophisticated capabilities which they now bring to bear with great efficiency. So Russia faces two very different enemies:
    • The Ukrainian soldiers who are just the cannon fodder for Uncle Shmuel
    • The formidable propaganda machine of the Empire of Lies
    The only good news here is that INSIDE Russia the Empire of Lies has totally failed, Putin’s personal popularity is now well above 80% and the popular disgust with the Russian fake “intelligentsia” (the self-applied label of “creative class” the Russian 5th columnist always claim for themselves) is real. So more and more of them are resigning, moving abroad, or openly caving into the immense pressure of the Empire to condemn their own President and country.

    Lastly, remember how for YEARS I wrote that a Russian invasion of the Ukraine would be a dream come true for the Neocons?

    Now that this has happened, do you see what I was referring to? We can now say that thanks to this war, the Empire of Lies can now officially “cancel Russia” – their 1000 year old dream.

    That being said, I think that the West also overplayed its hand. Yes, they managed to make hatred for Russia and Russians a new type of woke virtue signalling, but they went so far overboard that they got the undivided attention of the Russian people who now see the true face and intentions of the Empire of Lies. And now that most Russians have understood that:
    • Russia and the Empire of Lies are in an existential war which only one side can walk away from, and
    • The Empire of Lies wants to genocide the Russian nation (by a combo of means), this is a fight for survival, and for the right to live in a sovereign country.
    At this point in time, Zelensky has indicated that he will make no concessions, etc. etc. etc. so the negotiations are going nowhere. Good. I think that the Russians need to get rid of the Ukrainian force inside the Donbass cauldron first, and then offer negotiations again. But until that battle is over, I don’t see the point of talk unless these are talks about the surrender of this force.

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    If The Pentagon Can Not Confirm The Bucha Tales, Who Can?
    April 05, 2022

    This was the most important one of yesterday's news items.

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    Pentagon can't independently confirm atrocities in Ukraine's Bucha, official says

    WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) - The U.S. military is not in a position to independently confirm Ukrainian accounts of atrocities by Russian forces against civilians in the town of Bucha, ...
    ...
    "The Pentagon can't independently and single handedly confirm that, but we're also not in any position to refute those claims."
    If the Pentagon, which includes the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, could not confirm what the government in Kiev claimed, who else could?

    Certainly not the European minions who reacted to those dubious claims by removing more Russian embassy personal from their countries.

    The U.S. is again pushing the Europeans into suiciding their economies. The U.S. would of course be the only country that would gain from that.

    Its over. The Ukraine has lost the war. Its navy, air force and defense industry no longer exist. The Russia air force is doing hundreds of bombing runs per night eliminating any fuel and ammunition depot that is left in Ukraine.

    Without fuel tanks and trucks are immobilized. Without ammunition artillery falls silent. The heavy Ukrainian units along Donbas are now unable to do maneuver warfare. They can not even flee. Replenishment and reserves are unable to reach them. They have the choice of giving up or getting destroyed in place.

    Anyone who is still pushing more weapons into Ukraine or tells Kiev to prolong the war is putting more Ukrainian lives at risk for zero potential gain.

    That's criminal.
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    This is a new tweet, dated today. Are these two more helicopters shot down, or is this referring to the apparently very similar incident of a few days ago?

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1511397801430814725
    This is a new tweet, dated today. Are these two more helicopters shot down, or is this referring to the apparently very similar incident of a few days ago?
    I believe it’s new info but still checking on it.

    https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...98418664493056
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    Not sure how true this is, but here’s a start.

    https://twitter.com/SAvrakhova/statu...02911246475272


    The delegation of NATO Allied Land Command led by Commander Lieutenant General Roger Cloutier has begun a visit to Ukraine.
    “A visit of a delegation of the NATO Allied Land Command to Ukraine has begun today. A meeting with my colleague, NATO Allied Land Commander Lieutenant General Roger Cloutier, has just ended. We discussed a number of issues regarding the development of military cooperation between the Land Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO,” Colonel General Oleksandr Syrsky, Commander of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said at a joint press conference with Roger Cloutier in Kyiv.

    He noted that the visit of the NATO Allied Land Commander proved that political and military leadership of NATO and the Allies saw Ukraine as a strategic and predictable partner aiming to become a full-fledged member of the world's most powerful collective security system.

    As noted, the parties paid special attention to the development of military cooperation and acquaintance of the Alliance representatives with the process of combat training of units and subdivisions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the reform of the Land Forces.

    In turn, Lieutenant General Roger Cloutier informed that his visit to Kyiv was the final stage of a multinational tour to acquaint partners with NATO land forces and their leadership.

    "I am here to understand the structure of the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their tasks, as well as to strengthen our cooperation with the Land Forces Command, which has already begun, and with Ukraine as our important land partner," Cloutier said.


    As Lieutenant General Roger Cloutier noted, Ukraine is one of the six NATO's Enhanced Opportunities Partners, having an opportunity to enjoy enhanced access to interoperability and training programs, as well as access to information, including NATO experience.

    "As the NATO Allied Land Commander, who is responsible for bringing NATO to combat readiness and for interoperability, it is a great privilege for me to help the Ukrainian Land Forces take advantage of this unique opportunity and assist in their development," Lieutenant General Cloutier said.


    In the following tweet, note what he says in the video, he says before Bucha they were working with “them”.
    https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...89619916455937
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    "As the NATO Allied Land Commander, who is responsible for bringing NATO to combat readiness and for interoperability, it is a great privilege for me to help the Ukrainian Land Forces take advantage of this unique opportunity and assist in their development," Lieutenant General Cloutier said.
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    Gonzalo Lira posted this on his Telegram Channel: (screenshot image below)

    https://t.me/realCRP/4179



    He also wrote:
    The rumors going around that a US Major General Roger Cloutier has been captured by the Russian army at Azovstal in Mariupol.

    IF — I must emphasize IF — this is true, then the political ramifications are impossible to predict.

    It would be within the Russians’ right to execute this American officer as nothing more than a common criminal. Not kidding. Legally, by all the laws of war, they have the right to do this.

    IF — I again insist, IF — this is true, that won’t likely happen. But it will be a major turning point politically and diplomatically.

    I will of course stay on top of this.

    ~~~
    I also found this long comment on The Saker, here: (dated yesterday, but no source links provided)

    In what remains of the aircraft from the crash site, the Russians discover – or rather identify – one of the Azov leaders, Commander Palamar (known as “Kalina”), 2 other Azov officer members, Tymius Juri Vladimirovitch and Dyachenko Maksim, as well as 3 other people presented as 2 French instructors from the DGSE as well as an American officer, and not just any one please: General of the Marines Roger Cloutier (photo below). Is this a bluff from the Russians? Note that General Cloutier has always been a great supporter of Colonel Sirsky, commander of the Ukrainian Forces, to whom he was very close, so his presence would not be illogical in the device. Via Gleb Bazov and Ole Nkarei:

    “Gen Roger Cloutier, commanding general of NATO Southern European Task Force and senior responsible officer for American Military forces in northern Italy is said to be trapped in Mariupol” and “If Gen Roger Cloutier, GoC/NATO Land-Command is trapped in Mariupol, as is being rumoured, the Russians will dig up every inch of that city to kill or capture. No escape. Some of his H/Q Staff, too. What a holy f*ck the Europeans are making of this Ukraine mess.” and DGSE would have been evacuated in the same helicopter as other officers of the Azov unit… (knowing that the CIA has been training Azov since 1998). Note that we know that one of the survivors speaks Russian without an accent, which leaves only one Frenchman possibly surviving the aircraft, the nuance is important here.

    Indeed, if the Russians showed the interrogation of the Ukrainian, no information was given on the 2nd survivor, which is by definition suspect.

    The information about these two French service officers who died in Ukraine in the company of soldiers from Azov even gained momentum, and I said to myself that – if it was true and if they did not survive – Putin then had quite a leverage over Emmanuel Macron, namely to recover their bodies and repatriate them so that they could benefit from a proper burial (not to mention the other consequences).

    As a result, we better understand Macron’s sudden decision to immediately fire General Eric Vidaud, head of the Military Intelligence Directorate, the very old-fashioned DRM.

    The reason? The DRM had given bad information to Macron (who, on this basis, would have taken the decision to authorize the DGSE to send instructors to help the Nazi “Azovians”?)! This will improve relations between Macron and the French military, not to mention the fact that it amounts to a kind of declaration of war on Russia!

    But here is the most important part:

    Not knowing if it was pure Russian propaganda (this possibility is logical, hence my use of the conditional in the first part of this article) or if 2 officers of the DGSE are really in the hands of the Russians, I wanted to check the information at any chance with one of my historical contacts early in the morning, frankly without much hope, given the level of secrecy and paranoia in which this world lives. Is it correct that 2 DGSE officers were killed in Ukraine?

    My contact called me back much later that weekend and just said this: “YES. I got confirmation. And I can’t tell you more, you’ll understand later.”.

    My translation: either the 2 are dead, or one survived but is in serious condition.

    As a result, Macron will no longer be able to drag Vladimir Putin through the mud on the media too much, since there are 2 men to recover, even if they are dead (at least one).

    And even if Putin still takes the President of France on the phone, what is certain is that Macron will now be forced to submit to the Russian President: there are indeed 2 DGSE officers to recover for the families, knowing that one is possibly still alive but seriously injured.

    By extension of this confirmation, then there would also be the American general in the heap (dead or alive), and everything leads us to believe that this is going to be one hell of a negotiation, given the profile of Roger Cloutier who is still at the head of LANDCOM NATO from the Turkish base in Izmir. If he was captured or killed, then it would be a tragedy for Joe Biden, the US Army, the CIA and NATO!

    “Allied Land Command formerly Allied Land Forces South-Eastern Europe (LANDSOUTHEAST) is the standing headquarters for NATO land forces which may be assigned as necessary (…) When directed by the Supreme Allied Commander Europe, it provides the core of the headquarters responsible for the conduct of land operations. The command is based at Sirinyer, Izmir in Turkey”.

    Below, his taking command from General Thomson (with an intro from General Walters) on August 4, 2020 in Izmir:
    https://www.jovanovic.com/blog.htm

    But whatever the reasons, it is totally irresponsible on the part of Emmanuel Macron to have sent DGSE officers to a battlefield of the Russians with whom, to this day, we are still at peace, at the risk of triggering additional hostilities and, above all, to aggravate the situation.

    In Syria 13 French instructors had been captured, but there was total silence from the media in France, only the London Telegraph had broached the subject.
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    https://twitter.com/_TheRepublic_/st...57077557551108


    ( This was last year but might have some significance?)
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    https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1511410269360119811


    https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1511415484889309185


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    Veterans Today (which may or may not be a reliable source) posted this:
    Blockbuster: US 3 Star General Captured Leading Azov Nazis in Mariupol (confirmations coming in)




    Our sources on the ground report that the last two helicopters trying to evacuate foreign VIPs from Mariupol were shot down this morning. They were sent on a suicide mission to collect Lt.General Coultier, who was, we are told, hiding in a huge industrial complex with some Special Forces staffers and about 30 Ukrainian Army, not Azov, soldiers. This hours old story from Tass is below.


    From KP.Ru:

    On the morning of April 5, another attempt by the Kiev regime to evacuate the leaders of the Azov nationalist battalion and “others” was thwarted near Mariupol. Two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters, which tried to break through to the city from the sea, were shot down from man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems, Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said at a briefing.
    Note that this is the third attempt by Kyiv to pull its war criminals from the crime scene. But it ended the same as the previous ones: the helicopters did not reach Mariupol.
    Читайте на WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27375/4568448/
    Reports from our friends in the Pentagon say “something’s up” and panic has set in at the White House. Minutes ago, the general showed up on his Linkdin account and we are told that the ranks of retirees and crisis actors (yes they exist) are being scoured for fat bald types that can be green-screened into a show and tell with Zelensky, believed to be hiding in Poland.


    Twitter, YouTube and Facebook are busy erasing all posts tied to this, even faster than usual. We await broader confirmation but, if Russia is holding him, they are unlikely to announce it but rather use it as a secret bargaining chip to hold over Biden’s head.

    Based on this, and having seen similar issues where an Israeli general was captured in Syria (confirmed, they sent us his ID card)…and VT helped negotiate his return to his family (for millions paid to Shiite militias).

    We have sources that claim Cloutier had been in and out of Syria through Turkey, working with ISIS and al Qaeda there as well and with terrorist groups in Africa.

    We say “no denial can be believed…we are now in ‘new territory'”

    There are numerous reports currently circulating claiming that U.S. Army Lieutenant General Roger L. Cloutier was captured by Russian forces in or near Mariupol, Ukraine, where reports claim he was assisting the Azov battalion, which is the official Nazi unit of Ukraine.
    Confirmation that as early as March 7, US Lieutenant General Roger Cloutier was in Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/0eiJYrAcHZ
    — TheRepublic (@_TheRepublic_) April 5, 2022
    According to Wikipedia, Lt. Gen. Roger L. Cloutier:
    Roger L. Cloutier Jr. is a lieutenant general in the U.S. Army and commander of Allied Land Command . He previously served as commander of the United States Army in Africa.
    Allied Land Command (LANDCOM) formerly Allied Land Forces South East Europe
    Oh boy. US General Roger Cloutier was most definitely involved in training Ukrainian soldiers, as this photo attests.
    Two days ago, a Bulgarian news source claimed he was visiting Bulgaria — pic.twitter.com/gOMBDRgmTQ
    — OldGuyOnTheMove (@old_move) April 5, 2022
    (LANDSOUTHEAST) is a permanent headquarters for NATO land forces that can be appointed as needed. The commander of LANDCOM is the Alliance’s chief ground warfare advisor. When directed by the Supreme Allied Commander Europe, he provides the core of the headquarters responsible for ground operations. The command is based at Shirinya (Buka), Izmir in Turkey.
    Unconfirmed sources from #Russia Military:
    The #Russian army captured the U.S Major General Roger L. Cloutier Jr. Maj. Gen. Roger L. Cloutier, the #USA Africa Command HQ Chief of Staff in the besieged Ukrainian Azov camp in Mariupol !https://t.co/7Y8Jd2qU9X
    — Su-57 5th Gen Fighter (@5thSu) April 5, 2022
    A letter to the Pentagon sent a few hours ago went unanswered, which, from a media perspective, is very unusual. If the message had been false, the Pentagon would have denied it immediately. They did NOT deny it. But there has been no official response from the Pentagon as of 6:10 p.m. EDT on Monday.

    Links:
    Lieutenant General Roger L. Cloutier Jr. assumed command of Allied Land Command in August 2020. Prior to this he served as the commander of U.S. Army Africa / Southern European Task Force. https://lc.nato.int/about-us/biographies/commander

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Russian Defense Ministry: two more Mi-8s sent to evacuate Azov leaders were shot down near Mariupol


    According to the department, this happened on the morning of April 5.

    MOSCOW, 5 April. /TASS/. Two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters sent to evacuate the leaders of the Azov nationalist battalion were shot down near Mariupol on Tuesday morning.

    Igor Konashenkov, official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters about this.

    “On the morning of April 5, another attempt by the Kiev regime to evacuate the leaders of the Azov nationalist battalion was thwarted in the Mariupol region. Two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters that tried to break through to the city from the sea were shot down from man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems,” he said.

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    This source says they captured the general, if true, who knows what the ramifications will be.

    https://twitter.com/rick_riccck/stat...42351977005069


    https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/st...65665663377408
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