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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Roeper's articles imv are the best source and analysis especially about this topic since he also translates a lot from the Russian media. (He is an investigative journalist who is German living in Russia and has also recently written an excellent book about the Plandemic - 'Inside Corona'). So here is the most recent one via googletranslate:

    https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.transla..._x_tr_pto=wapp

    January 22, 2022 3:30 p.m

    Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, issued an official Russian statement on the situation in and around Ukraine at her press conference, which I am translating here without comment in order to convey the other side's point of view.

    Start of translation:

    Western and Ukrainian media and officials are more and more actively repeating their speculations about an impending Russian “invasion” of Ukraine. That's how they put it. We are convinced that the purpose of this campaign is to cover up information for the preparation of our own large-scale provocations, including military ones, which could have extremely tragic consequences for regional and global security.

    Unfortunately, our fears have been confirmed by recent media reports citing official structures, sources and so on. For the past few days, the United Kingdom has been sending weapons to Ukraine with military transport aircraft from its air force. At least 6 flights were organised, each aircraft carrying up to 77.5 tons of cargo, that is about 460 tons of weapons in total. It has become known that man-portable anti-tank systems will be delivered for use in urban areas. Incidentally, the Ukrainian military is being trained by Western instructors at the Yavoriv military training ground in the Lviv region for precisely this type of warfare.

    Canada has dispatched more than 200 special forces under the pretense of protecting its embassy and evacuating diplomats in an emergency.

    Most extensive, however, is the military "support" - as they call it - from the United States of America. In the last few months alone, Washington has delivered 30 Javelin anti-tank missile systems and 180 missiles for Ukraine. The media had previously reported that a $20 million arms shipment was expected in January this year. In total, the United States provided Ukraine with military aid worth $2.5 billion from 2014 to the end of 2021, according to the Pentagon. Before the turn of the year, CNN reported that Biden gave Ukraine an additional $200 million for this purpose. In 2022, the US military budget provides $300 million for such spending.

    In Ukraine, such support is seen as a license to conduct a military operation in Donbass. Ukrainian forces have not stopped shelling civilians in the east of the country. According to the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission in Ukraine, the number of ceasefire violations since New Year's Day has already exceeded three thousand.

    Once again we are compelled to draw attention to the issue of rampant neo-Nazism in Ukraine. These days the Kyiv City Council renamed a public transport stop in honor of the leader of the Ukrainian Nationalist Organization, Robert Shukhevych, who had served in the SS, previously named after General Nikolai Vatutin, the liberator of the Ukrainian capital from the Nazis was. What else do you need? Does it need any more evidence of what's going on there? The well-known anti-fascist and head of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee Dolinsky reported on threats against his life by ultra-nationalists. Nobody wants to hear or see that either.Unfortunately, the strengthening of the neo-Nazi scene in Ukraine does not worry either our western partners or the relevant international organizations.

    We call on Western countries to stop their aggressive anti-Russian information campaign and to stop promoting the militarization of Ukraine by drawing the country into NATO and to focus their efforts on encouraging the regime in Kiev to sign the Minsk agreement and implement other international obligations.

    end of translation

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    If you look for the past 2 years as wartime preparations to get things in order from the civilian side of things on the west everything makes sense war is at stake right now.

    You had 2 years to prepare your stuff together for how it will be like under WW3 that might take some years to play through with huge humanitarian loses and disruptions.

    Practice... All was a civilian game of play for the war. Was a long time since serious war was at the play in the west. Getting the whole of western society accustomed to wartime conditions in preplanned event so they can manage to some extent before **** really starts as has been planned to happen.

    It's the final showdown to take down Russia according to all western players.
    You did not hear the constant propaganda to vilify Russia for nothing.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    This situation is very concerning and I think we have to bear in mind that the Globalists want Russia... they want Putin gone and a Globalist friendly political structure put in place... and I think this is what it's all about - it isn't the American Military any more - it's the Globalist's (NWO) Military - and other military around the Western World (and NATO) will have been deeply infiltrated as well... I think Ukraine was considered the gateway into the Soviet Union in WW2 and it's probably still strategically thought of in that way now... and they have been building up to all this for many years....

    Before Trump won the 2016 election and gatecrashed the NWO party, Hilary Clinton was banging the war drums in Russia's direction and now Biden is the Puppet President continuing in that direction...


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    I don't believe there will be a nuclear war between US and Russia directly although a kind of WW3 hot war will take place but with conventional weapons between Ukraine and Russia. NATO will withdraw or not take part. It is political aim for the US to have Russia the scapegoat and bogeyman (again) to drive it even more away from Europe and this is already achieved by it.

    T. Roeper draws the same conclusion at the end of this article and it makes a lot of sense to me. It also confirms all the US think tank speakers' such as George Freedman's statements years ago who said the main US policy goal is (and always was!!!) to drive Europe and Russia further apart.

    https://www-anti--spiegel-ru.transla..._x_tr_pto=wapp

    You don't have to share the Russians' concerns, but the question of whether Ukraine is worth a third world war should start to be asked in the capitals of the West - and especially Europe. Russia seems to be ready for anything in the event of a massive move by NATO forces into Ukraine, why is the West doing this? Especially since the US clearly says that they do not want war with Russia over Ukraine, which means that in the event of war, NATO will quickly withdraw from Ukraine.

    The answer should be obvious: the US wants to involve Russia in a new and expensive proxy war right on the Russian border and in the middle of Europe. This is neither in the Russian nor in the European interest - not to mention Ukraine.

    Why isn't a European leader waking up and standing up to the madness of the US?

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    My intuition is telling me that Biden/Harris have absolutely no involvement with this latest War Hawk stance from the USA, they are of course mere front line managers of the powerful, pernicious Pentagon bureaucracy and the inscrutable military/industrial complex. If these maniacs are planning to create a limited theater of warfare, much like the Vietnam/Iraq wars they will be tragically mistaken, this might spell THE move by China/Russia to seize the global reigns, to implement their vision of how the world should operate, with a vastly reduced and much weakened Western world unable to withstand them.
    The U.K 'deep state' is showing its fangs to Russia, the old world gravitas now just comes off as being chest puffing from a vanquished geriatric club.
    The enormous tragedy of it all will be the full consequences that we shall have to endure, as the ordinary folk of the world, this might be the BIG ONE.
    Let's pray that our world will be spared, and the people allowed to live in peace, Amen.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Since no one appears to be making a clear connection here, hopefully this will help in figuring out what's truly happening

    There is no actual aggression from Russia, or any true build up the way the warmongers are pushing in all possible ways across the western media. That's a complete fabrication, that's why you have not seen the satellite, drones and other images they would be publishing, *if* they had some. You can't hide 100 thousand soldiers behind or under a tree, you can't hide all the logistic support that goes with it, no one can on this planet. And yet, it's all talk and more talk, why? Ask yourselves that

    When the west media says "Russian" aggression, they are misrepresenting facts, for example, that Ukraine army has been again attacking Donbas sseparatists, and when they hit back, it's called Russian aggression. Day by day, there have been attacks from the Ukraine and into towns in Donbass, have you seen any news about it on west media? If the weapons the US and UK are sending, according to them, are not useful against an army like the Russian, then why send it? Obvious answer is, the separatist army at Donbass is vulnerable to those rocket launchers and other armament being sent. That's the main purpose of this fake hilarious and hysterical narrative, to arm the Ukranian army with "light" weapons that can't damage the Russians, but sure can damage the so far unnamed Donbass army

    Why do you think the western media is so careful and walks around mentioning the separatist army currently working in Donbass? Why are they trying hard to avoid any mention of them? Short answer: Those separatists are actual Ukranians, directed by veteran Ukranian soldiers, full of volunteers and new cadets and so on. There is a very big effort to suppress the reality that in Donbass, the people fighting against Ukraine, are Ukranians as well

    Imagine an honest media saying "The military separatist army of Donbass, created by a group of Ukranian veteran soldiers that rejected the coup-imposed nazi government in Ukraine, is facing a new attack supported by the US and UK, who have provided new and more advanced weapons the separatist army can't fight against. This is done under the guise of supporting Ukraine against 'Russian Aggression' "

    It would not play good with the narrative, if western public understood the reality of the situation, "that the separatists are Ukrainian people trying to create their own separate state, and break all links to Ukraine because of the Nazi situation and government controlling that country". It could also cause empathy with them, as it caused with Taiwan and Hong Kong, and of course that must not happen

    See this news, it is not in English but i post a translation below
    https://rusvesna.su/news/1642168605

    Quote In December 2021, the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard suffered significant losses among the personnel. So, for a month of hostilities in the Donbass, the “square” lost at least 28 people in the form of “cargo 200” and about 80 more people in the form of “cargo 300”.
    "cargo 200" means killed in action
    "cargo 300" means injured in action

    Here's the full english translation through google translate
    https://rusvesna-su.translate.goog/n..._x_tr_pto=wapp

    This was from December casualties, so this is already happening from at least one month, hard to publish this kind of news on western media, if you can't blame Russia for it, or if you have to explain to people why some of the people dead there are Ukranian born, and there were no actual Russian born nationals involved. How then you create that narrative that is being pushed so hard these days? You can't, so "let them die and wait for the guns and rockets, then we'll take over Donbass under any pretext and kill the separatists and call them 'Russian terrorists' "

    So i'll say it again:

    Ukranians are killing among themselves, just as if war broke between China and Taiwan, and this is hidden once again because it's not justifiable to send guns and rockets to an army doing this, it has to be completely hidden from public view that the separatists are in the exact same situation as Taiwan and HongKong are


    And this is nothing new
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    There are some VERY involved analysis on this confrontation from several posters who seem to believe they have the only possible explanation, YES I am aware that Russia is not overtly offering aggression here, that Putin's regime is merely responding to NATO and the USA meddling with Ukraine and deploying increasing military hardware, missiles and much more on the border - Russia's response is one of a reasonable concern for its own sovereign integrity being disrespected!
    This seems to be the only narrative the UK/USA/NATO alliance can offer, a hostile deplorable attitude, where they present a callous and unyielding intent to whittle away at the old USSR territories, look what happened in 2014, when they created a Coup in Ukraine, installing their own puppet leader - that was savage.
    As people have observed, how would the U.K feel if Russia installed a missile system in the Netherlands, and began building its troops up throughout Europe - or the USA if Russia took up residence on the Mexico border?
    Whatever the analysis, and whether or not clever journalists offer us their worldly wisdom and state this will not be a Nuclear 'hot war' - how do they really know. I mean opinions might be educated ones, but nobody can truly predict the outcomes, stop pretending you can! Let's see a little humility in these posts and less hubris - that would be refreshing.
    I hope things do not deteriorate, but not one of us can call this, the situation could VERY WELL get out of hand, it will not take so very much when the precarious nature of what is at stake is fully realized.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Hi Friends,

    With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

    I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

    The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

    That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.

    When I see them saying "thank you for your service" to soldiers who are going aroung the world, causing trouble and killing innocent people and children, it's crazy.

    Kind regards..

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    interesting information from a former Texan who lives in the Donbass, 5 km away from the "frontline"

    https://covertactionmagazine.com/202...scist-brigade/

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    some more interesting information, found on the saker blog

    http://thesaker.is/an-aftermath-of-w...sky-interview/

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    • Tucker: We're Moving Closer To War

    • Russia Ramps Up More Troops At Ukraine Border

    • Biden 'Bears A Lot Of The Blame' For Russia's Deployment Of Troops To Ukraine's Border: Sen. Cotton:
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    Alternative viewpoint to the MSM narrative:


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
    Whatever the analysis, and whether or not clever journalists offer us their worldly wisdom and state this will not be a Nuclear 'hot war' - how do they really know. I mean opinions might be educated ones, but nobody can truly predict the outcomes, stop pretending you can! Let's see a little humility in these posts and less hubris - that would be refreshing.
    I hope things do not deteriorate, but not one of us can call this, the situation could VERY WELL get out of hand, it will not take so very much when the precarious nature of what is at stake is fully realized.
    I agree, of course it can get out of hand. They are playing with fire and it can even lead to a hot war with US/Nato on one side and Russia on the other. Many posts you refer to were just about the plan/intent or reason for the military ramping up which I would crystallize into two separate ones (see my post and Malisa's):

    1. Driving a (even wider) wedge between Russia and Europe by making Russia the ultimate threat (even bigger than during Cold War times) for the 'rest' of Europe
    2. Supporting the Ukrainian army against the Donbass freedom fighters to win the war by supplying heavy weaponry and tech

    But yes, you are reight, these crazy 'plans' or 'intentions' can get out of control and is VERY dangerous. No doubt. We need to hold our breath here.

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    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/sta...765945344?s=20





    https://twitter.com/stclairashley/st...042711552?s=20




    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...631932418?s=20

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    An interesting snippet of strategic analysis from General Jack Keane. When asked when Russia might possibly invade Ukraine, his answer was between 20 February and the middle of March.

    That's because round about mid-March the frozen winter ground will begin to thaw, and moving heavy military vehicles into Ukraine is a lot easier when the ground is solid. But before that, Putin will be attending the Chinese Winter Olympics, and so he'd wait till that was over before launching any offensive.


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    All I read here was "Kill all Americans" even the good and smart ones... innocent or not.

    All I can say is WOW

    (sorry I edited it and cut off the original post.. this is the link)

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1477735

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Why do you think they call it a 'theatre of war'?

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Instigating a war is the last gasp of an incompetent, ineffective, and useless administration.
    Anyone who fails to get in line can be pilloried as unAmerican.

    Bah, humbug.

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    Quote Posted by XelNaga (here)
    Hi Friends,

    With all respect to all you good people there, and I know that there are a lot of good and smart people in USA, but I have to say this: USA is the most evil entity in the world today, and all of us would have much better lives if USA vanished from the face of the Earth.

    I'm one of those people, and I live in one of those countries, who have directly and indirectly suffered from the evil deeds of USA and NATO.

    The biggest problem that I see concerning USA is that the huge percentage of population is completely clueless about the rest of the world, and are totally brainwashed by MSM and blinded by politicians.

    That is why USA government is doing all the evil deeds with support from their own people, ignorant people who could stop those evill deeds from happening.

    When I see them saying "thank you for your service" to soldiers who are going aroung the world, causing trouble and killing innocent people and children, it's crazy.

    Kind regards..
    XelNaga,

    I read this and then I reread it so that I could appreciate every word you are saying. I am a resident of the US and have been my entire life. What you are saying is so full of truth. I will defend nothing about the government of this country, nor will I defend myself in the pleasant malaise of my life as a citizen of the US, much of it believing to some degree the rhetoric and lies I have been spoon fed on one hand, while witnessing the devastation and damage of family members that went to senseless wars for senseless reasons and suffered their lifetimes for for the lies of psychopaths. I look at the outcome of it and we now have generations of varying degrees of entitlement, still believing we are "the good guys"

    I just want to acknowledge my own part in perpetuating the lie and self deception.

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