WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Mashika]

Posted by Agape (here)
Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

According to this, the US should immediately acknowledge Taiwan and HongKong as part of China, under the "One China" policy

How do you you feel about that?

[I am B]

Sweden and Finland (which is a big Russian neighbor) are very likely joining NATO tomorrow on an extraordinary event.

https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008639711.html

[muxfolder]

Posted by I am B (here)
Sweden and Finland (which is a big Russian neighbor) are very likely joining NATO tomorrow on an extraordinary event.

https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008639711.html

It says Finland and Sweden have been invited to a virtual NATO-meeting tomorrow and try to figure out what to do. Not really sure it's going to lead both of us end up as NATO-country. That Jens Stoltenberg freaks me out though. He says "Europe's new normal is a start of a war." Translated almost literally. Of course, maybe it's not exactly quoted correctly because IS is known here to be very sensational and ****ty publication.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by muxfolder (here)
Here our prime minister and president have already sided with US.

All scripted, choreographed and under orders, just like the lockstep political responses almost in unison re covid and the vaxx, all over the world,

As evidence, watch to see what Justin Trudeau says (and has already said), and also Tony Blair. (Many others too, of course.)

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

The next thing may be a collapse of stock markets worldwide... not manipulated per se, but maybe inevitable as all the major investors start taking their profits as fast as they can. It's a classic bubble-bursting event.

[chrifri]

Posted by Vangelo (here)
Here are the facts as I understand them.

Russia did indeed invade Ukraine from many directions simultaneously, that is obviously an act of war.

May I ask, what the source of information is that gave you this understanding? Western MSM?


The build-up along the border was obviously very real and not fake as some have previously suggested.

Without doubt it was real. But is this a surprise? The western MSM has been writing about this for days.


Ukraine did not commit any act of war.

Maybe not but maybe they did. Killing its own people might not be an act of war or maybe it is. In any case we certainly do not know everything what happened over the past 8 years. So again, maybe not but maybe they have


The Minsk accord was not agreed to by Ukraine.

That seems to be correct


The Donbass region (which is Ukraine territory) has been in civil war for 14 years or so. This appears to be one of the reasons Putin used to justify the invasion.

That seems to be correct as well


The photos, videos and news reports are unreliable because they can be faked and in some cases have proven to be sourced from past conflicts.

agreed


Commentary and questions:
I am not convinced the people in Donbass want to become part of, or controlled by, Russia.

I would say that your comment warrants a why question. Why are you not convinced? What are their alternatives? Maybe later on, your commentary might be the case, but for the moment being it really seems that these people are more than happy to allow Russia control over their region


What is Putin's larger objective? Here are a few possibilities..

• Demonstrate NATO & US impotence
  
  I doubt that this would be a main objective. In any case, the western MSM would probably never admit such an impotence, be it real or not.
  
  
• Frighten former USSR states to make it easier to bring them back under Russian control
  
  Personally I doubt that this is an objective. However, in the case that some former USSR states would try to get closer relationships with Russia, Putin certainly would not be against it
  
  
• Take all of Ukraine
  
  I doubt that this is an objective for Putin. The Ukraine is a failed, corrupt state. Take over a failed state? To me that does not make much sense
  
  
• Return everything back to Ukraine except for the land mass that includes Donbass and south to connect Crimea
  
  Return what? He could only return anything if he really would have invaded. According to the western MSM there was a invasion but knowing that these MSM sources cannot be trusted, we do not know if there was a real invasion of the Ukraine or not. Listening/watching other sources (for example RT and others) there was no invasion. Of course this statement depends on the point of view of each person. For some, moving troops and military equipment to the Donbass/Lugansk region is an invasion. But as we know, there are people who do not see such support as an invasion
  
  The information from the following link "https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/23/ukraine-shrinks-again/" might give us an idea
  

I also wonder what China will do. This is exactly the time for them to make a move.

This indeed to me seems to be an interesting question

Finally, without a trustworthy press/news media, we wont know anything other than propaganda. This will wake up more people to the fact that much of what is reported in the MSM is fake and that will lead people to ask the question why.

Agreed

Discussions about what US or NATO did or did not do are red herrings (irrelevant) and are designed to deflect the argument away from the fact that Putin invaded a sovereign country.

I would argue that what the US/NATO did or did not do, is highly relevant. Without the NATO's expansion towards the Russian border, the situation certainly would be different. Even if one would name this expansion as irrelevant, the US/NATO could have easily avoided the actual scenario by just giving Russia the guarantee that the Ukraine would not be accepted into the NATO. So mentioning that whatever led up to the actual situation is irrelevant, is in my opinion a wrong statement and wrong conclusion.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

[I am B]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
All scripted, choreographed and under orders, just like the lockstep political responses almost in unison re covid and the vaxx

As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

The next thing may be a collapse of stock markets worldwide... not manipulated per se, but maybe inevitable as all the major investors start taking their profits as fast as they can. It's a classic bubble-bursting event.

Wouldn't a bubble bursting event like that, publicly blamed to the Russian agression, lead to war at some point? It would be either war, or the complete loss of credibility for European countries. (if they had any left)

Holding this whole situation on the edge doesn't seem doable to me, at least not on the long term.

[I am B]

Take it with a grain of salt because it just came out.

Turkish cargo ship reportedly hit on the black sea. Turkey is NATO.

[muxfolder]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

By now we all know Putin is not stupid. And also he might not be part of the global elite. He's not part of the WEF, is he? That's where this all warmongering is probably coming and now they're desperate to get one started because Covid didn't work as well as they wanted. They just don't seem to care at all as long as half of the population of the world is dead. Wouldn't it be nice if there was the WW3, the greatest war of all time, which they seem to want, and none of us would fight it?

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

Yes, the amount of damage to Russian economy has already been calculated, we can survive almost 20 years on our own, with reserves and current deals. By that time the China pipeline will be fully working and others as well, it matters little what the NordStream 2 pipeline does or even exists by then.

Even Europe has blocked the US sanctions on existing Gas deals, so we just remain going as we were 2 weeks ago, no change at all.

Sanctions are useless because none of them affect existing deals which is good income.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

Always 3 steps ahead, so annoying!

[Mashika]

Russia military taking over Ukrainian military bases just few minutes ago, no resistance, nothing but delivering their weapons and giving up

[Mashika]

Possible war crime against Ukrainian people by the Ukrainian army

[mountain_jim]

thread about US Biolabs facilities in Ukraine..

later - not sure why tweets stopped being inserted later?

**** - the twitter account was just suspended!
Huge documentation of recent history of biolabs in Ukraine!

one of the tweets included this image





https://twitter.com/warclandestine/s...672857602?s=21

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...-TmVADtPtBs5jg

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...-TmVADtPtBs5jg

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...-TmVADtPtBs5jg

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https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...-TmVADtPtBs5jg

[mountain_jim]

https://t.me/s/drawandstrikechannel

some of the above thread, now nuked, is documented at link above, but I can't copy it in easily...

Brian Cates - Political Columnist ⭐️⭐️⭐️
The US bioweapon research industry is suppose to be use for 'defense only', of course. Studying bioweapons to learn how to prepare and defend against them. But in the case of COVID, Fauci and Co. repurposed US funding to gain of function research on bat coronaviruses that then either escaped from a lab in China or was deliberately released. If you think COVID-19 was deliberately released from the Wuhan lab, and the same Fauci/Daszak/WEF crew that run our viral research labs across the world are also running bioweapons labs in Ukraine, if I were Putin I'd have been warning them get that **** off my frontier also.

[Agape]

Looks like the damage has been done now and I’ve almost expected something in that category:

Nuclear waste storage destroyed in Chernobyl

In attempt for takeover of Chernobyl nuclear power plant that has suffered tragic accident in 1986.., the nuclear waste storage was “accidentally” destroyed ,
Ukrainian nuclear advisor warns of radioactive cloud dispersal over neighbouring g countries and probably most of EU.

For your own safety sake and if something really odd happens any night soon,
I suggest ..stop watching the news

🙏🌟🕊

[Agape]

Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

According to this, the US should immediately acknowledge Taiwan and HongKong as part of China, under the "One China" policy

How do you you feel about that?

Quite right on the opposite : but I think that we all are feeling even little more upset about the situation in Europe than usually and mixing plums and apples does not help.

Not even the UN secretary would care to compare the situation between Taiwan , Hongkong and Ukraine as legally adequate.

Why offending as many parties at once as possible ?

So self convinced of your power ?


Don’t get angry on us Masha. I’ve seen young kids, people fighting in consignment in all kinds of wars who had to but once they’ve got out they’re out. They’ve suffered but hate no one. We all have suffered for many reasons and I see no reason for the history to be repeating itself in rounds.


🙏

[XelNaga]

Hi Malisa,

I just wanted to personally thank you for all the info you have provided. I have learned not to trust anything I hear from MSM and politicians, so any info from "regular people" is much appreciated.

I also, in a way, completely understand where you're coming from with your stance and opinions, because as you can see from my profile info, I'm from Serbia.

Serbia is a country that was unjustly bombed by US/NATO, where far more civilians and civilian targets were destroyed than military ones. They have also taken a part of our land (Kosovo) and given it to Albanian terrorists who have, and stil are, killing our people and doing much worse things.

Anyway, thanks for info, and all the best.

As Serbians like to say:
Rusi i Srbi, braća zauvek.

[9ideon]

Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
As a provisional opinion, I'd guess that Putin is no part of this. He's just doing his own Russian strongman nationalist thing. But the situation may very likely be quickly taken advantage of, re the 'Great Reset' — just as covid was, lab leak accidental or not.

Just a little more on that thought. Putin is smart enough to know all this, of course, but I'd be pretty sure that he's playing his own game. He'll know that this will result in huge damage to the US and its economy (and that of other countries too, probably in Europe), and he'll not mind that one bit.

Yes, the amount of damage to Russian economy has already been calculated, we can survive almost 20 years on our own, with reserves and current deals. By that time the China pipeline will be fully working and others as well, it matters little what the NordStream 2 pipeline does or even exists by then.

Even Europe has blocked the US sanctions on existing Gas deals, so we just remain going as we were 2 weeks ago, no change at all.

Sanctions are useless because none of them affect existing deals which is good income.

He's playing a strong hand of poker and will be betting that Russia will be able to ride all this out and emerge in a very strong global position. If the globalists are leveraging this to take down America just a little faster, that's just fine with him.

Always 3 steps ahead, so annoying!

Russia has been nbr1 in buying up gold for years (not sure about the last couple), it basically means the Ruble is backed by Gold iso Oil, this will serve the Russians quite well, especially with those weak arse sanctions coming. Russia learned a huge lesson the past 30 years and has been preparing. Another thing, you make an agreement with a Russian, you better keep it, they will.

[muxfolder]

Posted by Agape (here)
I suggest ..stop watching the news

This always works for me. Don't read news, don't watch news, don't read any social media, only be with loved ones and have a couple of beers, try to relax. It's been over 2 years since this worldwide MK-ULTRA experiment began with Covid-threat and now it's WW3-threat. They do need people to be afraid all the time. Otherwise can't push any restrictions or new rules. It's been hell of a ride. But yet we're still alive to see the next day.

[Mashika]

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Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Even if all the above is practically true, kindly realise that Ukraine is sovereign nation who won’t submit their legacy and government overnight and under threat of power.
I don’t see this would happen any soon and this being subversive and technological war of 21st century , they will fight back by all and any means.

They’re on their last leg , for sure. Now that they’ve been shot to it, they will fight to the last man.


Pray everyone stopped fighting right now or we all may also end up in another staged nuclear disaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YuRp2zoKd2s

Peace Bells on 🙏🛎🙏

According to this, the US should immediately acknowledge Taiwan and HongKong as part of China, under the "One China" policy

How do you you feel about that?

Quite right on the opposite : but I think that we all are feeling even little more upset about the situation in Europe than usually and mixing plums and apples does not help.

Not even the UN secretary would care to compare the situation between Taiwan , Hongkong and Ukraine as legally adequate.

He quite said a few things he wasn't supposed to say, he's not better than any person on the street as far as i can see him, He lies about things and pretends not to know the reality of what's truly going on in Donbass for 8 years. That's not a respectable person, in my eyes, because of his position and access to information.

Why offending as many parties at once as possible ?

Si hablamos de matar mis palabras matan. I speak up and can't be running around beating the bushes, i'm truly sorry, the way i had to grow up made me a very straight and sometimes very hard person to deal with, but it's most times out of my own control. You don't survive by being nice with words out there, i'ts a very slow and hard road once you want to change it, you would have to be there to understand why it's required to survive another day. But i never try to insult or harm anyone by speaking up, it's needed to raise awareness and force people to pay attention immediately, and not much more

So self convinced of your power ?

Not at all, i don't have any, i used to, but i don't at all. Arrogance such as that one is more like the one we would see from the American government. I'm just hard but it does affect people some times in this way

Don’t get angry on us Masha. I’ve seen young kids, people fighting in consignment in all kinds of wars who had to but once they’ve got out they’re out. They’ve suffered but hate no one. We all have suffered for many reasons and I see no reason for the history to be repeating itself in rounds.

Well as you can see we are not still out, there's a very big difference, i have to live day by day with attacks in several ways that keep me going on the defensive with everything i say online

Even when i joined Avalon, just a few weeks after i got an attempt on my life, someone dropped house made explosives on the door of the building i was living in, after kicking the door open, one exploded and one failed, but a kid went to see what had happened and he could have died there if the second bomb had exploded. It was a very bad situation, that was around 2 years ago. It never ends for people like me. It's not a thing of the past see?

I don't repeat history, but i do get tired when i see people repeating lines they do not understand and then when explained how they are wrong, even with evidence, they try to go through the tangent and keep going along without any acceptance that they may have misjudged the situation entirely because they don't know the full details.

You can always say that we can beat around the bushes for 10 more years until it doesn't matter anymore. But we could also stop on our tracks, inspect the full details of the current situation and put a stop on it right now, not 20 years from now in a very slow process that won't matter anymore since we may not even be alive by then

I want to see something happening in my life time, not wait for who knows how many years. That's why i get involved in the current affair in a very direct form instead of just giving leads to what i may or may not think

I'm not sure if i am explaining myself in a good way here. I'm sorry if i'm not

In the position i am, i can't just say "someone will figure it out". It's people like me who is "someone that will figure it out"

"Who if not us" is the key sentence here. Because we can't depend on anyone else to do this for us

So it's not "power", it's a privilege to be able to serve, and my will that is mistaken for some kind of self entitlement or power lust. Lots of my friends lost their lives out there, and they spoke as strong or more than me, it was not a lust for power or any kind of power trip, it was because if you don't speak up strong, people will die, not "may" but it is certain they will die. This is far removed from you, but it's not for me, we are watching in real time and i have never lied about how i am, i'm just exactly the same as they are. I can't just switch to not be me, This is hard

When i joined the Nashi and went there, i did not think about just wishing them the best, i knew i was in for a real fight and that i could die and we all did. We knew some of us would not make it back. It's not about wishing the best or anything like that, you know that you may and most likely will die, but you still go

Because you can't help yourself when you look at little kids that just got orphaned by a crazy imbecile with a military uniform and Nazi patches who laughs at the misery of the kids. Or the lies you see on tv or anywhere else about what truly goes on.

No amount of tender spiritual wishes will fix that. You have to unfortunately go a shoot them down, or they will keep raping and killing and torturing and then lying all about it, and people will accept their lies because the voices of the victims have been silenced

That's why i joined and if i were able to i would do it again, unfortunately i can't anymore. But if i could, i would be there just now

One of the hardest thing in life is being 17 and be watching over kids as young as 13 and listen to them crying at night trying to hide the crying, so that they won't be bullied for being weak, when they saw they parents in pieces due to mortar shells thrown from the Ukrainian side at the afternoon

No one is prepared for that, and then you cry too in silence and have to make yourself strong as a rock because now you are their parent figure, while you are basically equally weak

That's just some part of it, the other one is having to speak to them after one of their friends is just gone. How do you even start? So you become a rock or otherwise won't be able to lead or survive

And they won't take anything but the truth but also will break apart in your hands like a little piece of ice, so is not easy to do that. No song or nice words will fix them up, it's a life long job from then on

That's why we are the way we are, it's hard, is not easy to express at all, ever