WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Mashika]

I think it has been made perfectly clear by now, that the US government, and the "west" and "international community" are not on equal levels of importance

This is meant for the "partners" of the "international community", which just simply means the pawns and serfs of the US government, The EU is expendable, the suffering or death of their people is of no importance, this is all about saving the US elite political community (deep state or whatever you want to call it) and nothing much more than that

And second, now it is also perfectly clear that the US government is a terrorist, desperate, declining and deranged one, they don't care anymore about anything. All those things they say about Russia, or any other country they find difficult, applies to them, it's pure projection in the end. A rabid cornered animal bites whoever gets near. The US is acting like a rabid, mindless cornered beast, hurting left and right anyone they can in a last attempt to protect themselves

People need to remove those insane people from power, because they are, in the end, destroying their own country. And the entire world is watching and understand perfectly well what's going on. there's no coming back from this now

Once some time ago, the US claimed that the EU and specially Germany, was too dependent on Russia for energy, and that it was bad, so now they have made it so that it is 100% dependent on the US and there's no other option around. It has never been a secret that the "With us or with them" divisive logic is how the US operates all around the world, and if you fall somewhere outside "With the US" then you are going to be hurt as much as needed until you correct your ways

Now it is visible beyond words and fake diplomacy. The EU has fallen and it's a serf, they can do nothing about it, they were too stupid to figure it out on time

Too bad

[Mashika]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This was posted by South Front yesterday, but one day is a long time in what now looks to be a rapidly escalating global war.

My own comment: though like many others I strongly suspect US involvement, it does seem plausible that some other faction may be trying to frame the US for this, taking advantage of the known presence of a US Navy ship in the area at the time.
It seems unlikely that if the US did do this, they'd be so very brazen about the visible presence of their ship. A real James-Bond-type sabotage attempt would be far more clandestine, and if carried out by drones, no surface vessel would ever need to be anywhere near.

• https://southfront.org/us-ships-susp...ream-pipelines

US Ships Suspected of Sabotage Attack on Nord Stream Pipelines

[brief extract from a long article]

On September 27, the detachment of US Navy ships led by the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge announced the completion of work in the area of the alleged sabotage on gas pipelines. US ships completed their tasks in the Baltic Sea and were spotted heading to the Baltic Straits into the North Sea.

The group of US ships was spotted 30 kilometers from the site of the alleged sabotage on the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline and 50 kilometers from the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

It's a kind of political FUD game, i think

"If we were to blame, then why would we announce it so loud, making sure everyone would know before hand? See? It wasn't us!"

Uncertainty and doubt are major tools of control

How can they be blamed now? And since the EU, the main affected region, is now without other choice, they'll have to play along, even if they know it's all fake, what choice they have?

They (the EU) won't go against the US, even if they had the proof on their hands, they just can't. That's how dumb the EU politicians are, except the ones that are under the US payroll of course

This also sends another message to other countries in the world "See? We can do whatever we want and harm you if you don't play by our rules, and you can't do anything about it, just like Russia can't, and if they can't defend themselves then they also won't be coming to help you once you fall out of grace with mighty US"

It's like the nuclear bombs in Japan, another attempt to hold the world hostage through open hostility. "Our way or complete annihilation, you've seen what we are capable of, chose wisely"

[Vicus]

Nord Stream damage might be irreparable – media
The Russian gas pipelines earlier suffered a suspected sabotage attack

What is being touted as potential sabotage on the Russian Nord Stream gas pipelines might have dealt them irreparable damage, Germany’s Tagesspiegel reported on Wednesday, citing “government circles.” The two pipelines were seriously damaged earlier this week.

If the damage is not repaired quickly enough, too much salty sea water could run into the pipes lying at the bottom of the Baltic Sea and irreversibly corrode them, German officials have warned, according to the news media outlet. Denmark said on Wednesday that its authorities would be able to launch a probe into the issue no sooner than in a week or two due to “safety concerns,” Tagesspiegel added.

The media outlet does not mention any plans for repair work by either Russia or Germany.

A group of senior German MPs were quick to point the finger at Russia and blame Moscow for the incident. “An attack on the energy supply infrastructure is intended to spread fear and terror,” Roderich Kiesewetter, a German MP and spokesman for crisis prevention for the Conservative Union parliamentary group, told the RND media group.

“Therefore, it is likely that Russia is trying … to stir up uncertainty among the European population” and supposedly demonstrate its ability to attack critical infrastructure, he added, accusing Moscow of employing a “state terrorism” approach.

The head of the German parliament’s Defense Committee, Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann, told journalists that “it cannot be ruled out that [such attacks] will be directed by Russia in order to shake our markets.” She also used the occasion to call on Germany and the EU to “free” themselves from the “dependence on Russian raw materials as quickly as possible.”

Danish authorities confirmed leaks on the pipelines on Monday after their operator reported a loss of pressure on both Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pipelines earlier that day. Danish and Swedish authorities then spoke of a series of undersea explosions in the area. Russian, American, and Swedish authorities said the leaks might have been the result of a deliberate attack.

The EU vowed “the strongest possible response” to any attacks on its active energy infrastructure but stopped short of naming any suspects in the Nord Stream incident. Russia branded the incident a “terrorist attack” and said it would summon a UN Security Council meeting over it.


https://www.rt.com/news/563677-nord-...rable-germany/

[Vicus]

EU may soften anti-Russia sanctions – Politico
Restrictions may reportedly be eased on imports of Russian fertilizers, cement and other products

EU ambassadors may soften restrictions on some Russian products, Politico reported on Wednesday, citing senior officials and diplomats. The ambassadors are expected to discuss an eighth round of sanctions on Moscow at a meeting in Brussels later on Wednesday.

According to the report, they will be briefed by the European Commission on the new package, which will reportedly include a proposal of a price cap on Russian oil.

Under the deal, the EU will soften its sanctions on other products, effectively removing the shipping ban on Russian fertilizers, cement and other products, the unnamed officials told the media outlet. “It is do ut des,” one official was quoted as saying.

Tons of Russian fertilizer have been stuck in EU ports as a result of Western restrictions. Earlier this month, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said that the stranded goods could be sent to developing nations via the UN’s anti-hunger agency. The offer to donate an estimated 300,000 tons of Russian fertilizer, unable to leave EU ports, was initially voiced by Russian President Vladimir Putin.


https://www.rt.com/business/563646-e...sia-sanctions/

[ExomatrixTV]

• NBC Reporter Tells Truth About War – Gets Immediately Fired!:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A4LK4hUuvsI

During the first Gulf War journalist Jon Alpert evaded his government controllers and censors to smuggle evidence of civilian casualties out of Iraq to show the American public the truth about the war’s devastating consequences. His higher-ups at NBC News had different ideas, however, and fired him rather than show the shocking footage. And then CBS News fired a producer who tried to bring Alpert on. It’s an appalling story of self-censorship in favor of war propaganda in the US news media. Jimmy and Hard Lens Media’s Kit Cabello discuss the levers used by the corporate-military-government establishment to prevent the truth about war from escaping.

[Hym]

Missing within the context of citizens of the states who are now dealing with addressing the depths of corruption in the political system and the theft of their rights to be heard, thru their votes, are the easily referenced details at the core of the conflicts in the Ukraine. On the level of future changes in cleaning up the voting systems that allowed so much of the planned destruction of the lives of many in the states I see a success. However, in the same historical context, how many would believe that nine eleven would have been carried out, or the UN patriot act made into law, or the killing of so many Iraqis and combatants from this country if the conservatives had not stolen the 2000 election from the libs?

This lack of focus and exposure of the crimes of the West through their proxies in the Ukraine, nato and the e.u., is understandable when it takes so much effort to address and remove the immense and embedded corruption within so many systems in the states. However, this lack of barely exposed truths of the 8 years of murder, borne from the days of Bandera long ago, is a huge mistake on the part of the conservatives, now righteously taking on the restoration of freedoms in this country.

From these folks I hear and see that the reasoning for opposing any continued aid to the corrupt, kleptocratic, murderers in Ukraine and thus their proxies worldwide, especially in the states, almost entirely on the truth that most of this expense is borne at the continued great cost to the economy of the average citizen, as well as putting most of the country deeper into a depression. All true this, yet excluding the personal devastation carried out by their own government and those corporations that own it.

These omissions are a choice, and in the real lives of those oppressed end up being merely the noise of debate, not the signal of the real world, kinetic conflict now being called war. So very good at pinpointing the essence of a matter while choosing to dismiss the sounds of the missiles, the bullets, the mortars, the planted mines (65,000 so far) and explosive trinkets aimed at civilians is a choice that no real warrior accepts. Would Bannon, Pasobiec, et al, (who I see doing so well in one area) admit to dismissing all of the real Signal that warriors hear? Oh, so you don't go there when you talk about Ukraine. Why? Why not? Tell me. I'm listening.....

I know that the tears, the sounds of dying civilians, the weeping of those survivors are more influential to a real warrior than all of the noise this world has ever made. All of the talk. All of the writing. Excluding the details of those sounds, now, at this time, takes a lot of effort. A warrior would surely include that blood in his presentations. A warrior does not test what painful truths he shares.

We are all, at all times, responsible to the humanity, the protection of lives and the liberties and freedoms we all need to live lives of worth. Except for the honesty and heart of those who make Avalon live, it is at times like this when all I hear is the silence of lambs in warriors clothing.....

[norman]

There's only so much deer in the headlights empathy I can do, before I have to act, as best I know how, to take out the real enemy causing all this.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-fu...110277432.html

[ExomatrixTV]

• 😱🔥OH NO!!! 😨 SABOTAGE! 😰:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwnlwZInwPs

[ExomatrixTV]

• Annexation Referendums: Ukrainian Regions Vote to Join Russia:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dGsfRybvCnc

[Bob_2011]

I beginning to think the US will be forced to strike first , if they can take out the Subs that would be the cue for the land attack , i had this dream last week, i was watching a bluish blast wave coming towards me from many miles away and i new what had happened, i turned my back on it and waited for the end.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bob_2011 (here)
I beginning to think the US will be forced to strike first

"forced"...??

Posted by Mashika (here)

And second, now it is also perfectly clear that the US government is a terrorist, desperate, declining and deranged one, they don't care anymore about anything. All those things they say about Russia, or any other country they find difficult, applies to them, it's pure projection in the end. A rabid cornered animal bites whoever gets near. The US is acting like a rabid, mindless cornered beast, hurting left and right anyone they can in a last attempt to protect themselves

This barely needs to be said, but it seems clear to me that there really is something to be concerned about regarding the recent terrorist, desperate, declining and deranged claims by Jake Sullivan and almost the entire US media that somehow Putin is threatening to use nukes (and in Ukraine, no less!!) — when it's totally crystal clear from the official Kremlin website that he said no such thing. Not even close.

It has to be noted that this might possibly be laying the grounds for a false flag event, or even some kind of preemptive attack by the US. It all feels very dangerius, the cornered animal in its last throes, maybe taking as much or as many with it as it can.

(For historical reference, consider the 100% false, media-driven, WMD-in-Iraq narrative that was used as a justification for the Iraq war and the annihilation of hundreds of thousands of people. All this has been done before, and it worked.)

[Chester]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bob_2011 (here)
I beginning to think the US will be forced to strike first

"forced"...??

Posted by Mashika (here)

And second, now it is also perfectly clear that the US government is a terrorist, desperate, declining and deranged one, they don't care anymore about anything. All those things they say about Russia, or any other country they find difficult, applies to them, it's pure projection in the end. A rabid cornered animal bites whoever gets near. The US is acting like a rabid, mindless cornered beast, hurting left and right anyone they can in a last attempt to protect themselves

This barely needs to be said, but it seems clear to me that there really is something to be concerned about regarding the recent terrorist, desperate, declining and deranged claims by Jake Sullivan and almost the entire US media that somehow Putin is threatening to use nukes (and in Ukraine, no less!!) — when it's totally crystal clear from the official Kremlin website that he said no such thing. Not even close.

It has to be noted that this might possibly be laying the grounds for a false flag event, or even some kind of preemptive attack by the US. It all feels very dangerius, the cornered animal in its last throes, maybe taking as much or as many with it as it can.

(For historical reference, consider the 100% false, media-driven, WMD-in-Iraq narrative that was used as a justification for the Iraq war and the annihilation of hundreds of thousands of people. All this has been done before, and it worked.)

Check the link, Bill, for "the official Kremlin website"

I just use - en.kremlin.ru/ or http://en.kremlin.ru

From Bill:
Many thanks: bad link in my post now fixed. (and in the quote also)

[Violet3]

I'm not sure the behaviour is deranged. What is worse, I think it is calculated, conscious, rewarded, and in line with a globalist agenda that keeps the public as confused and frightened as possible while progressing its goals. The Iraq example is apt, and there are others- not mad but coldly deliberate.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Violet3 (here)
I'm not sure the behaviour is deranged. What is worse, I think it is calculated, conscious, rewarded, and in line with a globalist agenda that keeps the public as confused and frightened as possible while progressing its goals. The Iraq example is apt, and there are others- not mad but coldly deliberate.

Yes. Paranoid might be a good word, as well.

Alexander Mercouris has just posted an excellent analysis of the Nord Stream sabotage, very much as a lawyer would. He draws the distinction between evidence (of which there is little), and inference, which is not to hard to make.

He observes the following:

• The sabotage had to be the work of a major power. Military-style undersea sabotage operations, involving sophisticated training, experience and technology, could only be undertaken by a few nations.
• He names Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the UK, and the US. (And he discounts France and Germany itself.)
• He goes through all the possible claimed reasons why Russia could possibly have done such a thing and discounts them all.
• Ukraine has to be a suspect, but if they were involved, simply for logistical and military reasons they could only have played a minor role.
• Poland has a history of being very hostile to the Nord Stream projects, but after discussing this Mercouris discounts the Poles as well.
• The UK has a history and tradition of these kinds of James Bond operations, and has the means to carry them out effectively. Less well known than the SAS is the SBS, the Special Boat Service, an elite unit equivalent to the US Navy Seals, and this kind of sabotage is exactly what they are trained and well-equipped to do. But Mercouris notes that the political risk to the UK, which is trying to be the best possible ally to Germany, would be enormous should it ever leak out that they were involved.
• So... that leaves the US. Mercouris states that a number of years ago he could not possibly have believed such a thing (though he may not know about, or be forgetting about, 9/11), but goes into some depth regarding the mindset of the current US administration, which he states (correctly!) is both paranoid and extremely dangerous.

Start in at 5:45 and continue to 45:34. As many reading my posts will know, I greatly appreciate Mercouris' logic and very meticulous care in all his assertions and statements, but for those with 40 minutes to spare this is as thorough an analysis as I've yet heard.

His closing words:

We're coming very dangerously close to a Cuban Missile Crisis moment... except of course that there is no JFK in the White House.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4ju2Ggsvjbg

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Hym (here)
Missing within the context of citizens of the states who are now dealing with addressing the depths of corruption in the political system and the theft of their rights to be heard, thru their votes, are the easily referenced details at the core of the conflicts in the Ukraine. On the level of future changes in cleaning up the voting systems that allowed so much of the planned destruction of the lives of many in the states I see a success. However, in the same historical context, how many would believe that nine eleven would have been carried out, or the UN patriot act made into law, or the killing of so many Iraqis and combatants from this country if the conservatives had not stolen the 2000 election from the libs?

This lack of focus and exposure of the crimes of the West through their proxies in the Ukraine, nato and the e.u., is understandable when it takes so much effort to address and remove the immense and embedded corruption within so many systems in the states. However, this lack of barely exposed truths of the 8 years of murder, borne from the days of Bandera long ago, is a huge mistake on the part of the conservatives, now righteously taking on the restoration of freedoms in this country.

From these folks I hear and see that the reasoning for opposing any continued aid to the corrupt, kleptocratic, murderers in Ukraine and thus their proxies worldwide, especially in the states, almost entirely on the truth that most of this expense is borne at the continued great cost to the economy of the average citizen, as well as putting most of the country deeper into a depression. All true this, yet excluding the personal devastation carried out by their own government and those corporations that own it.

These omissions are a choice, and in the real lives of those oppressed end up being merely the noise of debate, not the signal of the real world, kinetic conflict now being called war. So very good at pinpointing the essence of a matter while choosing to dismiss the sounds of the missiles, the bullets, the mortars, the planted mines (65,000 so far) and explosive trinkets aimed at civilians is a choice that no real warrior accepts. Would Bannon, Pasobiec, et al, (who I see doing so well in one area) admit to dismissing all of the real Signal that warriors hear? Oh, so you don't go there when you talk about Ukraine. Why? Why not? Tell me. I'm listening.....

I know that the tears, the sounds of dying civilians, the weeping of those survivors are more influential to a real warrior than all of the noise this world has ever made. All of the talk. All of the writing. Excluding the details of those sounds, now, at this time, takes a lot of effort. A warrior would surely include that blood in his presentations. A warrior does not test what painful truths he shares.

We are all, at all times, responsible to the humanity, the protection of lives and the liberties and freedoms we all need to live lives of worth. Except for the honesty and heart of those who make Avalon live, it is at times like this when all I hear is the silence of lambs in warriors clothing.....

Thank you Hym. Yours is a great post.

The selectiveness you refer to is correlated to a kind of priding oneself on one’s smartitude, which almost all of these commentators share with the war-loving mainstream media’s pundits. Especially revulsive to me is the gleeful laughter at Biden’s and other Western leaders’ so-called "stupidity” – because those commentators consider themselves smarter than they are, similar to the commentators who are "anti-Putin", who think they are infinitely smarter than the Russian President.

People who take decisions like the Western leaders do are not "stupid", they are intelligent but criminal and/or pychopathically evil. Laughter is really not what their actions evoke in me.

Mind you, in Europe it is everywhere the same immaturity.

They are themselves psychopathic – and hence part of the problem.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

His closing words:[INDENT][I]We're coming very dangerously close to a Cuban Missile Crisis moment... except of course that there is no JFK in the White House.

That is a strange lapsus.

Obviously, there is no JFK in the White House: there is one in the Kremlin. Conversely and unfortunately, there is no Khrushchev in the White House.

[Johnnycomelately]

I learned a new word: lapsus. I don’t know enough, or think well enough, to judge it’s suitability here, but thank you.

From the website the-philosophy.com:

Freudian definition of Lapsus

Lapsus is a verbal or written or memory error that appears as an unconscious manifestation.

Freud coined this term and listed possible forms of lapsus in his book Psychopathology of Daily Life.

According to Freudian philosophy, unacceptable thoughts or beliefs are repressed by conscience and slip-ups are the release of these latent contents. Thus, if dreams are the manifestation of unconscious contents in the sleeping patient, the slip is its counterpart in the awake patient.
The term is used today in a humorous manner when a person makes a verbal error, thus pointing to a hidden emotion in the speaker.

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

His closing words:[INDENT][I]We're coming very dangerously close to a Cuban Missile Crisis moment... except of course that there is no JFK in the White House.

That is a strange lapsus.

Obviously, there is no JFK in the White House: there is one in the Kremlin. Conversely and unfortunately, there is no Khrushchev in the White House.

[Kryztian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Alexander Mercouris has just posted an excellent analysis of the Nord Stream sabotage, very much as a lawyer would. He draws the distinction between evidence (of which there is little), and inference, which is not to hard to make.

...

His closing words:

We're coming very dangerously close to a Cuban Missile Crisis moment... except of course that there is no JFK in the White House.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4ju2Ggsvjbg

Thoughtful and interesting analysis, BUT, I think his thinking is a bit limited here. If Mercouris had been a 9/11 truther for the last decade of his life, he might have taken this idea of who performed this very evil sabotage a little further. He makes the assumption that this was performed by a nation state. So, if the U.S. was behind it, then this was planned by the Joint Chiefs of Staff at a meeting with Joe Biden, and Biden's approval. As we know from the Elizabeth Nelson interview, very high level generals did not know what was really happening on 9/11.

The sabotage may have been done with weapons of a nation state that may have been placed on the pipeline by a submarine that was part of a national navy, but the planning and authorization may have been done by a supranational organization. Think on the level of the "Anglo Saxon Mission." Perhaps even Joe Biden and Victoria Nuland may have been duped into making the statements they made (about how the Nord Stream will not work if Russia invades Ukraine) , just to incriminate themselves, just to set up another agenda to push us into WW III.

It is interesting to see how this situation, with the sabotage, is forcing people like Mercouris and Gonzalo Lira to go further down the rabbit hole to explain what is going on here.

[s7e6e]

A world in turmoil is far easier to control and further helps the population culling agenda. That is all there is to it.

If the war breaks out, there's a chance there are still factions out there not willing to go along with the globalist agenda. If it doesn't, this whole charade will be just another mind trick meant to keep us into bondage.

Either way, the master plan moves forward.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Being On The Verge Of Nuclear War Is 100% United States Government's Fault!:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CLUsEoFyEK4