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    • CNN Pushes War While Smearing Peace Advocates:
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by I am B (here)
    Also this, my god...

    I call it a "Next gen excuse to attack on Russia"



    Any mod couls help me with this? Should be a twitter post but even after revising it doesn't show smh.
    Problem is with the part after the ? sign, this "?s=20&t=EBxBrv8q-uWfIiteD_y5sQ" can't be part of the url



    Self reference to a previous claim that also had no proof at all, to prove himself right once again? That guys is on a recursive loop, he can't escape it anymore, anything he says, it's proven by a previous claim he said at some point.

    That's 'recursive' in a funny lol. It can only go so far until there is no room for more lies and the stack of lies explodes in his face, this was close, he could not stop getting exposed, next time may not be so lucky
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • CNN Pushes War While Smearing Peace Advocates:
    At minute 13:46 "Ukraine is a democracy" a "valid elected democracy" ....

    LMFAO! A country that got their democratically-elected government removed by force, then a puppet neo-nazi violent and facist government was put in place, which was unilaterarely selected by the US government (the Ukranian people did not vote for them or even had a choice at all) is a "democracy"?

    In a way, i'm glad i'm alive in these times, otherwise i would not believe those people are so willfully ignorant or purposedly dissinforming people in this way. I get to see it real time, those people have no morals at all. They are rotten to the very core, and they call it "being a professional journalist" and "democrat freedom loving government" and so on

    Amazing to watch! Thanks!
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    An interesting new analysis from retired General Jack Keane (who a couple of weeks ago on 24 January said that the window for a Russian incursion would be between 20 Feb and mid-March).

    He argues that Putin doesn't want 'ownership" of Ukraine, but influence. To force that, he might drive his forces to Kiev (combined with cyberattacks to take down Ukraine's power grid, etc) — and then withdraw again, having gained concessions and agreements.

    (My own view: that makes a lot of sense, and would also explain Putin's statements that he didn't intend to invade Ukraine, while accounting for the evident military build-up. And it also explains Biden's much-criticized remarks that the US would not necessarily respond to an "incursion", while an "invasion" might lead to war.)

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    This is a 6years old video about Ukraine.


    In a format like Grandpa explain his USA grandchildren "real politic"...

    Today media control will no accept something like this...that's why is very important

    today for the grandchildren of the world biggest duo warmongers USA/UK



    The error from all western countries plus Turkey against Russ land though centuries was

    always the same: HUBRIS


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Watch State Dept. Official Choke On Lies!


    There is overwhelming evidence of an impending Russian invasion of Ukraine..


    Some humor, but yeah, this is not a joke, it's for real. Sad, even paintball players, who will most likely never see real battle, know better than what those people are doing. But i guess when you know the 'incoming war' is fake you can play around with people like this. There will be no consequences as they will never see battle or anything remotely related to it

    The next "exercises in case of a Russian invasion" took place in Ukraine. I highly recommend watching with sound..Man
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    UK to arm Ukraine with anti-ship missiles – Kiev

    The British-supplied missiles will help Kiev counter Russia in the Black and Azov Seas, Ukraine’s UK envoy has claimed.


    Britain will supply Kiev with anti-ship missiles to potentially use against the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, Ukraine’s envoy to Britain, Vadim Pristayko, said in an interview with Novoye Radio on Tuesday. The official did not specify what munitions London is sending, nor the date they are set to arrive in Ukraine.

    “For the first time, our armed forces, the Navy in particular, will receive real weapons, missiles that will finally enable us to have something against the Russians in the Black and Azov Seas,” the diplomat said.

    The upcoming delivery of anti-ship missiles apparently falls under the £1.7 billion ($2.3 billion) deal, reached by London and Kiev last year. Under the agreement, the UK provides Ukraine with a loan, which Kiev has to pay back within 10 years, with the funds set to be spent on navy-related military hardware supplied by Britain. According to Pristayko, the equipment includes two minesweepers that are currently being “refitted” at a dockyard in Scotland, as well as other hardware.

    “Our armed forces had never received such serious funds from abroad for their development,” the diplomat said.

    Ukraine has enjoyed an uptick in foreign military aid in recent months amid fears of an allegedly looming attack by its neighbor, Russia. The UK has been among the top arms suppliers of Ukraine, sending in a large cache of NLAW shoulder-fired anti-tank missiles back in January, as well as deploying additional military instructors to teach Ukrainian forces to operate the systems.

    Western media outlets and top politicians have repeatedly warned of Moscow’s allegedly imminent invasion of Ukraine, which has failed to materialize so far, with no solid evidence of the existence of such plans ever produced. Moscow has consistently rejected seeking to attack Kiev, denying claims that the movement of its troops in the relative vicinity of the Belarusian or Ukrainian border somehow threaten its neighbor.

    Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba on Monday revealed the scale of foreign military aid Ukraine has already received.

    “Ukraine has gotten more international political and economic support, as well as security,” the top diplomat said. “Over these weeks and months, we have received more than $1.5 billion, and more than 1,000 tons of arms and armaments.”


    https://www.rt.com/russia/548713-uk-...-ukraine-with/

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    I will be clear right upfront. I think that countries have a right to their sovereignty and bully countries like Russia have no right to threaten that sovereignty. If Ukraine wants to join NATO that is their business, if they want to join the clown college that is their business. Just because you live next to a bully that was spawned out of 16 years with the KGB does not mean that the world should acquiesce to the bullies demands.

    Putin claims the West broke a promise that was made in the 1990s not to expand NATO "even one inch" beyond Germany. Yes, there were discussions about NATO never expanding beyond Germany but this discussion was ultimately dismissed and never incorporated into any agreements or treaty. Even Gorbachev says that the discussion was never of any consequence. I think any reasonable student of history would easily conclude that this concession by NATO would have changed the complexion of Northern Europe, Central Europe and the Balkans. It would have unleashed Putin's empire-building/restoration desires. If Putin could get the world to agree to this lie that he now repeats at every opportunity it would allow him to re-establish the Soviet Union with little pushback. In a melodramatic speech from the Kremlin in April 2005 Putin said the following.

    Quote "Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical catastrophe of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and co-patriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself."
    Russia encouraged immigration into the Soviet Satellite countries which brought about all those co-citizens that he is referring to but that is another discussion altogether.

    Also never expanding NATO beyond Germany is somewhat ridiculous because several countries that border Russia are already NATO members such as Latvia, Estonia and a host of other countries east of Germany are NATO members. One of the cornerstones of NATOs mission is to provide collective security against the Soviet Union expansion (read empire building). So the thought of stopping any further expansion of NATO beyond Germany makes no sense whatsoever.

    President Putin warns that Europe will be dragged into a conflict if Ukraine joins NATO. What a twisted and self-centred view of the world this man has. He stages the largest movement of troops on the planet since WWII, aims hundreds of high powered weapons at strategic targets of his next-door neighbour and has the audacity to tell Europe and the US that it is their fault. Unlike Trudeau, Putin certainly has balls.

    Putin has stated on many occasions that the west does not pay attention to him. So in 2008 Putin said he would not say anything of importance (to the west) without taking some sort of action to get their attention. Now because of this childish view, he has painted himself into a corner. He has told the world that he has no desire to invade but after making such a massive show of force he has no choice. His gargantuan ego dictates that he can't back down. So now he must save face by taking some sort of action. There will no doubt be unnecessary loss of life, how much - we can only wait and see.

    There will be many that will blame this invasion and loss of life on The USA and Europe but in reality, this is all about Putin, his ego, his desire for an empire and his need to stay in power and relevant to his base in Mother Russia.

    On a side note, it always amazes me how far the leaders of countries like Russia, China and others are willing to go no matter the consequences. When you think about it, it is because they have little to no regard for human life.
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    I will be clear right upfront. I think that countries have a right to their sovereignty
    That's about when your entire post lost all validity as a serious reply to the current issue

    The US overthrow the democratic elected government in Ukraine, around 2014, and placed a puppet government that later was 'elected' by pointing a finger to a new puppet. There has not been a real/official elected Ukranian government since 2014

    What you think, and what your government thinks, are two completely different things. Your government sit happily for years while 10+ thousands of Ukranian citizens were murdered by their own government

    It's only now that they need to destabilize both Ukraine and the EU so they can regain control and be the ones on command that they suddenly care.

    Who will make justice for the more than 10 thousand dead Ukrainians while the nazi government imposed by the US was cleansing their territory?

    Why are you blinding yourself when the evidence is in clear view, that the people in control and that Ukraine army that has around 125 thousand soldiers ready to kill every person in Donbass is just waiting orders to start the massacre?

    Question: Do you know where the Ukraine army is at this point? Have you seen anyone talking about it, at all?

    They are not around the Russian border, no sr, they are around the Donbass one, ask yourself and find the answer on your own. Why is the Ukranian army at the Donbass border, far away from Russia, if they claim like a 100 times per day that Russia is going to invade any minute now? Shouldn't they be at the Russian border instead?

    Do you care more to save face for the US than for the lives of hundreds or thousands of innocents?

    Let me tell you what "peace" means for them in the Nazi controlled part of Ukraine

    It means "once those people are not there, we will have peace". And that's because dead people can't fight back, so now you are free to do whatever you want with no resistance

    Your government is enabling that, are you part of? Please go research more and find the actual facts. It's out there trust me,and a lot have been posted here as well.

    Unless you don't want to and blind yourself from the truth. In the end, it's up to you

    The time has come for people to realise the US government is full of demented people, they don't care for anyone but themselves, and they are proving it a 100 times per day right now in front of all of us

    They (whoever was in power at the time) have never cared. No one does, it's a game and if you play it then you are not a victim of it. Learn the facts and go spend time looking for the truth

    ETA: You are being very trollish about this. Skipping facts, talking about things out of context, basically ignoring the actual issue in Ukraine and what's truly the source of the problem. So yeah i ignored everything else you said because it has nothing to do with what's going on here

    I don't think you have truly looked into the root of this modern/current problem, otherwise you would know all you said it's completely invalid and just a means to derail and confuse

    Just earlier today i watched a short tv show, then i read this

    https://www.rt.com/russia/548949-tru...ignty-regions/

    Quote According to the outlet, London’s top diplomat stressed that Moscow must withdraw its armed forces from the frontier with Ukraine, at which Lavrov reiterated that the Russian military is stationed in its own territory and has the right to conduct maneuvers within its borders.

    The veteran Russian official is said to have turned to Truss and asked whether London recognizes Moscow’s sovereignty over the regions of Rostov and Voronezh, where large troop movements are said to have taken place in recent days, close to the Ukrainian border.

    After a moment’s contemplation, the British diplomat reportedly replied that the UK “will never recognize Russia’s sovereignty over these regions.”

    The interaction is said to have spurred Deborah Bronnert, the UK’s ambassador to Moscow, to swoop in and quietly remind her colleague that the two are actually considered Russian territory even by her own government.
    See? That's a problem, if someone is going to go parrot talking points, they are least should know a bit of geography, or they could end up in an embarrassing situation

    By the way did you know that some videos taken by drones, have recorded Ukranian military faking deaths and faking explosions so that they can show soldiers dying? More will be uploaded soon but there are a few already uploaded around the web.

    They act getting killed, then they get up and walk back with other soldiers as if nothing happened They got caught by drones. They are still as inept as they were in 2014.. ups

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Before anyone from the US claims or comes judging, please go resolve this little problem that has been happening for 50+ years now

    It's just not acceptable to keep repeating the same "any moment now" lie for years while looking the other way when your government 'actually' is killing people all over the world by the millions. Stop looking away, you have a big problem to solve, and you are being redirected to denounces Russia every minute of the day. Guess what, your government is the one actually doing the killing they claim Russia wants to do 'any day now'.

    Stop looking away, it's the real thing, not a 'potential future'

    https://twitter.com/TamrikoT/status/1492001727763132425
    Quote All we hear in the West is #Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.

    Why NOBODY is talking about the aftermath of Biden’s recent special op in #Syria’s #Idlib killing 6 children and 4 women?
    When will #US and #NATO regimes be held accountable for constant war crimes against humanity?
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    The way this is happening now, it's causing a lot of people to laugh hard at any announce about the 'imminent invasion'. Just like this



    How many times throughout the years can you claim the same and not be told to stop lying?

    But i heard the US has new arm sells to other countries now, big sells. I mean they have to protect against a possible imminent invasion of some kind

    Once the arms sell and the control gets back into the US hands, then the hysterical rhetoric will slow down for a while, just like every single year before this one

    Rinse and repeat
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    Malisa your twitter link doesn’t work, but here’s a Newsweek story that says those death numbers are officially proposed. This count is new to me, since the original announcement was that only Mr. Target and his immediate family were killed, and that that was because he pressed his own button.

    https://www.newsweek.com/civilian-ca...higher-1678248

    I am aware of many problems in the way the US prosecutes it’s ‘wars’, but I’m not swayed by this case. Guy slept with a ‘vest’ on, with women and children around him. Russia would have dumb-bombed the lot, if he was on their list.

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    Quote Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
    Malisa your twitter link doesn’t work,
    Yes, i tried to post the original but it didn't work, so i added a link to it above the quote so anyone interested would follow that second one, i don't know why it doesn't work, it's the same as any other link

    Quote but here’s a Newsweek story that says those death numbers are officially proposed. This count is new to me, since the original announcement was that only Mr. Target and his immediate family were killed, and that that was because he pressed his own button.

    https://www.newsweek.com/civilian-ca...higher-1678248
    Have you seen how most of the news sites and channels from any place other than the western approved ones have been removed? That's why you will never hear the other side

    Don't know if you remember, but there was a channel on youtube named "Anna-News". And they posted an investigation on how the US paid the ISIS terrorist with fake money, the posted a video about it with full proof of the money and other things, then not two hours later the entire channel got removed from youtube

    Quote Guy slept with a ‘vest’ on, with women and children around him
    The only person who said this was who? I'm sorry but the US is not a reliable source of anything anymore. The lies are just way too many at this point. How many other times are you willing to hear the same lie?

    Quote Russia would have dumb-bombed the lot, if he was on their list.
    But it didn't happen, this is not useful or a valid point. Also please point me to an instance of this happening, with real proof, not just "Intelligence from the US" which we already know is "i said it and that's all you need to know"


    "May or may not, supposedly, possibly, imminent, as close as tomorrow, this week, any day now, plausible" are not valid points, it's a bunch of manipulative arguments only

    Remember this? Probably not

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/blinke...-in-your-home/

    Quote WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Friday that Kazakhstan will find it difficult to lower Russian influence after inviting in troops to quell unrest.

    I think one lesson in recent history is that once Russians are in your house, it’s sometimes very difficult to get them to leave,” Blinken told reporters.

    Kazakhstan invited in the Russian-dominated Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) to combat rare protests sparked by concern over fuel prices.

    “It would seem to me that the Kazakh authorities and government certainly have the capacity to deal appropriately with protests, to do so in a way that respects the rights of protesters while maintaining law and order, so it’s not clear why they feel the need for any outside assistance,” Blinken said.
    It does look to me like that's a snake whispering out of spite

    Yet when Germany asked for some troops to leave and then later soon enough it turned into "US troops will never leave Germany"

    I believe the medical term is psychological projection

    There has been a lot, and i mean "a lot" ad nauseam talk about "Russian aggression" and about the 100+ thousand soldiers around Ukraine border

    Questions:

    1. Point in a very definitive, inclusive and extensive way, what this means
    2. Point to me any kind of proof that those soldiers are there and as the US/Uk never stop talking about, imminent invasion. I mean there should be thousands or tanks, rocket launchers, cabins, trucks and all that, right? Where are they? Satellites should have made enough sure to take pictures of them, can you post some of that evidence? I'm sure there is plenty, to have such tremendous and certain claims
    3. Logistics, for 100+ thousand soldiers, you need lots of logistics and other things

    If you have 100 thousand soldiers, they need to rotate, soldiers are not machines they need to rest somewhere, go out for a while, and someone else has to take over meanwhile, then you need camps for them, and truck foods coming over and out every single day or if not then every week and then you need those giant refrigerators to keep food for a while, then you need special services like hospitals and radars and communications all that stuff

    Where is it? Are you going to tell me there is no picture of it? Where are the drones watching over? Are you being lied to? Think
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    A previous post on Twitter i linked seems to be gone, i don't know what happened but here's the account that posted it first

    https://twitter.com/TamrikoT

    Some posts may not be in English, and some may be, it's up to posters, hope you may find something useful there
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    I remember Anna News. Back when LiveLeak existed somebody regularly posted vids under that banner, of Syrian heavies in urban fighting. I recall being fully on the side of the SAA there, due to obvious interference in the country’s affairs by foreign powers by then. It was a real heart breaker to later learn of their torture programs.

    Re: your questions, I think you mistake me for somebody else. I’m the guy who says, #1, better say “PTSDeezNuts!”, and #2, 🎶 No, woman no cry 🎶. ~8ę

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    Quote Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
    I remember Anna News. Back when LiveLeak existed somebody regularly posted vids under that banner, of Syrian heavies in urban fighting. I recall being fully on the side of the SAA there, due to obvious interference in the country’s affairs by foreign powers by then. It was a real heart breaker to later learn of their torture programs.

    Re: your questions, I think you mistake me for somebody else. I’m the guy who says, #1, better say “PTSDeezNuts!”, and #2, 🎶 No, woman no cry 🎶. ~8ę
    I don't know, i think i replied to the guy who said this

    Quote Malisa your twitter link doesn’t work, but here’s a Newsweek story that says those death numbers are officially proposed. This count is new to me, since the original announcement was that only Mr. Target and his immediate family were killed, and that that was because he pressed his own button.
    https://www.newsweek.com/civilian-ca...higher-1678248
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    Quote I am aware of many problems in the way the US prosecutes it’s ‘wars’, but I’m not swayed by this case. Guy slept with a ‘vest’ on, with women and children around him.


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    Quote Russia would have dumb-bombed the lot, if he was on their list.
    I believe i replied to all of your arguments, in sequence and with some valid arguments

    So anything gives by now

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    Well there you go, if you can explain please do



    What was the name of the US military top who claimed that "the Soviet Union will never invade Ukraine"? And he said that, lol

    This is not the first instance, or second at all, that the ignorance takes part when people from the UK/US talk about these things related to Ukraine

    They are just simply, ignorant. They could not care less. They are not able to read a book or seem to have gone through school at all. Unless you tell me school is retarded education for retarded adults. Since they can't look at a map before a world changing event meeting

    Please explain why your diplomats are ignorant fools but still got to talk to educated people as if they 'knew things'. This is not a movie, please tell them that real life is not "4 of July" movie, they don't know better!
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    Quote Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
    I remember Anna News. Back when LiveLeak existed somebody regularly posted vids under that banner, of Syrian heavies in urban fighting. I recall being fully on the side of the SAA there, due to obvious interference in the country’s affairs by foreign powers by then. It was a real heart breaker to later learn of their torture programs.

    Re: your questions, I think you mistake me for somebody else. I’m the guy who says, #1, better say “PTSDeezNuts!”, and #2, 🎶 No, woman no cry 🎶. ~8ę
    Just because i don't think you understand.

    It's not a game, it's real, the people die, and their blood smells in the air, and their eyes are things lost, you can't look at them you have to look away. That death is not the normal death, you don't get it. If you did, you would be doing the total opposite of what you did today.

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