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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    I don't think it's about the exact text, but what it represents
    You say that like it represents only one thing, like there is only one way to interpret the text. Texts are like symbols, they mean a lot of things to different people, especially when they are interpreted at different times in history and in different cultural contexts.

    Quote As in, no one has bothered to advance from the meaning, or really go beyond or deeper into what it could really mean, it's taken literately, and it removes any possible actual wisdom that could have come with it
    The practice of "exegesis" is to interpret a text and it was originally. The practice was originally developed for Bible interpretation, but it can be applied to anything: other religious texts, fiction, political speeches, poetry, jargon, etc. People read religious texts because they find different ways of finding meaning within the context of their modern lives.

    Quote People need to stop kneeling down and saying "we're not worthy"
    Where does it say in this six line bible quote that "you are not worthy" Mashika? Where am I saying that? You are assigning a meaning into the text or an intention to it that is not there.

    Quote And posting quotes and quotes all over the place and forever and ever, just speaks bad about the understanding the person quoting has, about their own religion.
    I've posted a few quotes on the "Great Quotes" thread but I think this is the first time I ever posted anything from the bible on Project Avalon. The last quote I posted was from Nietzsche, a famous atheist! Why are you insinuating I am a religious creep because of one six line post (which has been copied to this thread by Exomatrix) ???

    Quote ETA: Before anything else, in the case you want to reply, let's keep in mind that "you can't quote the bible to prove the bible is right"
    I was quoting this only because I thought there was truth that would speak to people at Project Avalon, truth beyond any religion. I felt the meaning was obvious but perhaps I should lay out my interpretation of the text and why it is relevant:

    Quote All that is hidden will be made clear.
    All that is dark now will be revealed.
    The world is filled with dark hidden secrets. They are paranormal, occult, and conspiratorial secrets and that are going to brought out into the light of day.

    Quote What you have heard in the dark
    proclaim in the light;
    What you hear in whispers
    proclaim from the housetops.
    Become a whistleblower! Become a researcher of dark truth! Tell the world about the dark realities that we are facing. Bring about Disclosure.

    For me, this quote is not just about Christianity. It could be about 9/11 truth, or vaccine truth, or Wikileaks or Disclosure about our UFO reality.

    In fact, the quote is almost the exact opposite of "you are not worthy" - it is, in fact, "we are all worthy of knowing the dark truth of what is going on here on planet Earth. Get the word out!"
    I think i came through in some odd ways there, once again, and even though i've been trying to really overcome the issue with my English and how i form sentences, i still have the same problem explaining myself as always. I can see it now, but i could not when i wrote that

    So please allow for a bit so i can rewrite and verify that what i post really means what i meant to say

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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

    No problem Mashika! I think you might have meant to direct some of these thoughts and comments at a different post, not mine.

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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

    Kryztian, you are very refreshing and thank you for your posts. I always felt quite alone on the forums for my appreciation of the Bible.

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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

    hello @ all ..

    Just to drop a different point of view here..

    A lot of people here have red the Books of Zacharia Sitchin for example and others like Erich von Däniken etc. about the much older end more accurate story's from the Bible which means the story of Jesus is copied many many times during the ages... But I think we mist the point with this discussion here...

    It is not important in who or what you believe /feel... just do it..

    Gregg Braden have explained it many times in his presentations and books..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8DeBePK3Wg

    It is a low of nature, where we bring our focus, there goes our energy and that happens.. we are the creators of our future..

    Therefore maybe should we better focus on the coming golden age instead of the other staff, (which I not gona name, to avoid giving it my energy) ;-)

    Are we all together on this forum able, just for one day, not writing or posting any negative news or links???... just positive stuff!!!

    Its hard, believe me, I have tried so many times... but everywhere I go, or I talk to or call on the phone is switching at one time to the "not so positive" news...

    carpe diem

    Marijo

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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

    [QUOTE=Kryztian;1421606]
    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    You say that like it represents only one thing, like there is only one way to interpret the text. Texts are like symbols, they mean a lot of things to different people, especially when they are interpreted at different times in history and in different cultural contexts.
    That's a very big part of the problem, symbols. Because symbols, depending on your point of view, can represent different things. Take the "Nazi" symbol for example, we all know what it represents after WW2, but it comes from a very different culture and it represents a different thing, so the original meaning and concept has been forgotten because the Nazi used it as their symbol and on their flags, so now it's shunned away, regardless or what it truly represented long before the nazi came to exist

    Quote People read religious texts because they find different ways of finding meaning within the context of their modern lives
    The problem is, they don't try anymore, it is a "this is what it says and i'm going to follow it to the rule" But, what they mean is, "this is what i got told it meant" And the most important part is, the person who told them what 'it meant' had interpreted it badly, so the teaching got corrupted and now this other person can't end in anything good because all they know is based on misinterpretations and lies, and people taking advantage of what their learned to manipulate other people who knew less or was on a weak spot at the time

    Quote Where does it say in this six line bible quote that "you are not worthy" Mashika? Where am I saying that? You are assigning a meaning into the text or an intention to it that is not there.
    It doesn't say. But it's what it's required, spiritually, physically and emotionally. That was not intended for you, but for the "church" instead, i'm sorry i keep making mistakes in this way. I know and i'm working hard on it, but i'm not yet able to fix it completely, it's very very hard to reach a level of English when one doesn't mess up with these things. Somehow i thought it was perfectly clear i was directing this to the church's expectations and not to you, and yet it came across as being aggressive towards you. I'm truly sorry, i will get better soon

    "And posting quotes and quotes all over the place and forever and ever, just speaks bad about the understanding the person quoting has, about their own religion. "

    This was directed to the preachers that always reply with a quote or vague statements that meant nothing at all in the real sense of spirituality. Also not directed to you, see my other reply later after that one, where i said i spoke to a bishop about "my faith" and what he said

    I'm truly sorry i sound so offensive, i can't help it right now, my only other option was to not post anything again until i can learn more correct English, but i just can't find how, because i truly want to share and talk about what i think. This is not the first time i mess it up like that and offend people when i thought i was actually being very clear, so bothersome lol

    Hope at least i clarified a bit what i really meant, i understand is not enough, but right now i'm too tired to think more properly, and so i don't want to mess it up anymore than it already is
    Bona Terra, Bona Gens, Aqua Clara, Clarum Coelum

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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    I feel a little worried about ONE THING.

    IF what I believe is happening is happening, that we are being driven to the brink of collective extinction, what is one's responsibility? Where I keep returning is that ACTUALLY, I am doomed already to physical death and this life will GO soon. VERY soon or less soon and that is FACT. So, my instinct is to feel I am responsible for my self... to prepare for the possibility of actually staying conscious through death into the UNKNOWN.

    NOBODY, not even an enlightened messiah can be responsible for us. IMO if must turn to the external for a savior, we have NOT made it to the place where we may be responsible for self. Then we have no connection to a real "I AM".

    RELIGION is the last place to go for one's sovereign knowing of self. All religion needs the followers. All "masters" are looking for students. All saviors need a victim. It's IMO SERIOUS now. We may have little time to escape the wheel of eternal suffering of the collective spin?



    I learned valuable lessons from Buddhism and also from other practices, one lesson was look death in the eyes, contemplate it constantly, the other one was, there is no self, not at all, once we leave the vessel behind, everything falls behind, try astral travel to feel how it may or may not be without a body.

    It "probably" will be something like crossing the abyss, nobody knows what is in there, but we are free to imagine (if helps), if we can make to the other side I guess we will know what it is about, otherwise we just fall in the cracks (the abyss in this case, some religions/doctrines call it limbo).

    (I do not consider abyss as hell, as I do not consider crossing to the other side as paradise, I simply do not believe in hell or paradise as most religion picture it, otherwise I could assume that earth is hell for most people suffering horrors daily, specially nowadays, hell or paradise is just a state of mind).

    A personal experience happened long ago, I am not sure if I should share it here, feels like off-topic, but I will anyway what do I have to lose?
    I saw the beast myself not once but twice, both times I was half sleeping half wake, in that state of trance that indulges into lucid dream, every time I tried to describe it (for the wrong person of course), they told me I need to be medicated. Ok, but I don't do drugs, then I decided to learn more about my "visions of the beast" and I came to many answers from many different religions, doctrines, practices, etc.. I went to many places and talk with a lot of people about it including a witch (which finally I got my answers), most of them strangers that I never had contact again (yeah I took the risk).. I would say the beast that I saw was not myself (no kidding), the simple reason I can confirm that, was the fact that the beast didn't take control over me (I believe it tried, but failed), I was in control both times, it was hard to get rid of that in the second time, because it was staring at me and offering something with the shape of a ring, a circle made in what seems like gold, but I am not sure what it was, also I was in a public bus which made things even worse, the person beside me, sure could feel my drama.

    Extending in my first vision because it was very powerful and stroke me like nothing before, I was in bed preparing to sleep, the TeeVee was on playing something, the room was dark lights off, I always sleep on my back, that's when I felt my vision blurring and all of sudden the ceiling became dark, the light from the TeeVee went off and something that covered the entire room took place just above me, it has two lights which I think could be the eyes of the beast, the body was dark black, it does not resembles a human body, was more like a black dark stingray floating just above me, it didn't speak, but emitted some frequency and I felt it inside me, but it surely looked deep into myself enough to make me feel not myself for an instant, I couldn't breath or move my body, I was there frozen on bed, despite I try hard to move I couldn't, but I kept the fight, it was new and very scary situation, after a minute or two maybe it went away, I was awake, sweating and very tired. I was 19 years old when it happened.

    Extending on the second vision: I was just turned 20 years old (it happened about two months later from the first vision), I believe it could be the same entity that visited me first but I was not yet sure about it (the witch clarified that later), but I was sure, there was an offer to me in the second vision, a ring of some sort that I didn't accepted, I fought back again against the beast, the second time I felt it was easier to control myself against it, there was not much fear as in the first vision.

    That's when I decided to meet a witch for the first time, firstly she refused to talk to me, but I asked a friend of my family that was involved in witchcraft and she made it happen after much insisting, witches are very private persons, they dislike to expose themselves to the public, and I never believed in this sort of things until I see with my own eyes, what was supposed to be one quick (question & answers) stop, but it dragged for many months, the witch invoking entities in front of me (but I couldn't see, but hear the presence) was absolutely proof of the existence of the other side (kardecism showed me that earlier), in one occasion a glass window was completely destroyed, she said was an very angry entity that decided to show up, most of the time it was just talking about many things related to the subject, but a few times specially toward the end of our meetings it was a practical thing, including visiting a water fall during a dark night (no moon) and taking a bath naked in freezing water under the water fall, there was a ritual of protection against evil entities (losing my fear literally) that I was fully aware and consented in participating, it was always me and the witch, nobody ever knew about our meetings except my family's friend, before people start thinking, there was no animal sacrifice, no sex involved, it was full interaction with nature and contact with beings from the other side, it was a serious thing that shook me very hard before I decide to participate and go further into witchcraft, it helped me out in order to accept the challenge to discover this things, I was a Kardecist for many many years and I saw with my own eyes people invoking spirits, it was not a new thing for me, I guess the only thing different was the way how kardecist and witches contact the other side, in essence it is the same thing. The entire thing is real despite what society believe or what the laws says.

    After I finished all my sessions with the witch, she gave me a special crafted talisman made in pure gold (yeah it cost me the gold market price that time) with some words inscribed in it (she said it was a seal between what I had learned from witchcraft), she also gave me information about my angel and a recitation (like a prayer) and told me I should pray for my entities (call it angels) regularly, because they exist to protect living beings from harm. My entities are called Tzaphqiel (Archangel) and Cassiel (Angel), they both provide god's knowledge for the seekers, the Angel speed things up once one get in the trail and keep out of confusion and misleading things. The witch also gave some more detailed information about another Angel called Anael who rules the hour and this Angel is close by all beings born in certain hour of the day. (I know anyone can calculate this stuffs on internet, there is hundreds of websites for that purpose, but mine was in the original old fashioned way with a real witch).

    My conclusion on my visions are acceptable to me and only me, what I saw was a dark entity (call beast if you may) that appeared to me, the entity not named by the witch was the same entity both times and it was trying to offer something to me for no clear reason or there was a reason but I lost it? since I fought back and declined the offer (probably denying, fear of the unkown), the entity went away and never returned, the witch could not find what entity was, she released me from my fears by putting me in a very difficult consented position (waterfall ritual), now I can see how it was helpful, unorthodox methods are required in extreme situations. Anyone "consciously" can decline or refuse anything from evil, that evil will not be around anymore because you made your point for that specific entity, but there is infinity entities out there, the only way is to get rid of your fears, nothing can stop you even death can't stop you, before another entity attempt to approach you, it will measure your lack of fear and it will go away (it is not a rule by the way, but it generally work out).

    I wrote it because I just want express myself through a practical example that happened to me and I know a lot of people are going trhough the very same thing. I do not believe or give any attention in any Messiah, but I think it is all part of a great game of misleading people's faith in what to believe or not. Probably the church is behind it, I never dug enough to know what it really means, could be an interesting topic to research, but maybe another time.

    Here is my message for those looking for answers regarding death and strange visions, I got mine from a witch, but it doesn't mean the witches are the only qualified to answer that, no, your answers could be from your neighbour, a friend, a stranger, a witch(like in my case), mother, who knows just open the heart and the mind and you will find answers..
    You can believe me or not, it does not matter, what matters is: if you want to know it is real or not, then put yourself in the position to get answers, that's the only way, if it is bullshot it will reveal itself

    First side note: Even when I drank the Ayahuasca I didn't have any sort of contact with entities like this, it was a way more light and pleasant.
    Second side note: I was never possessed by it or anything never ever, as I said I was in control of my soul the entire time, could not say the same for the body.

    May all beings be happy and safe.
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    A chaos to the sense, a Kosmos to the reason.

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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

    I honestly don't know where exactly the truth lies between the competing claims of different religions. I suspect all of them see 'through a glass darkly' and sadly the various texts may have been subject to corrupt influences, either through outright tampering, or subtly through editing, translation or the selection process, for the Christian Bible at least. It seems clear that organised religion has been used by darker forces here to divide and rule us. I distrust all the institutions that grow up around it, if they're not outright corrupt, too often they don't seem to embody the values of the faith they preach.

    I do think there's great truths within the Bible and the Koran and the other sacred texts. The figure of Jesus is an inspirational one, the Book of John is inspiring to me. I'm not as convinced that the story ends there. The question of why some books were excluded, Enoch, Baruch, Thomas etc. Whether there's truth in the Gnostic works? Pueblo has introduced me to Panella and there's much in that I think, I've also just started looking at Mouravieff and it seems very profound, if probably way beyond my understanding...

    I am trying to become a spiritual person, not easy for a longstanding atheist who was looking for hard proofs. I believe however that God cares more about what's in our hearts than our grasp of dogma. I don't think that belief in the triune, or unitary status of God, divinity or non divinity of Jesus, one life or multiple incarnations on the wheel, any of these things are as important as the golden rule, caring for yourself, others and the world around you and seeking to be a positive force and not throwing your lot in with the very real evil that we see all around us and those who have chosen the side of serving to self.

    Tldr: I know there's a narrow path to salvation and few make it, but I wonder if there's more than one approach to that path? We are beset by evil in this realm, so those that desire good have to find a way of working together even if there's profound differences in how they understand God and our place in this world.

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    Default Re: How The Messiah Is Calling Muslims And Other Non-Believers For Eternal Life

    Quote Posted by lovelytony22 (here)
    Life is beautiful but could turn into a painful moment within a twinkle of an eye. You may want to enjoy a happy life with friends, families, and loved ones for long. But the fear of leaving every good thing you have behind when you die someday makes you panic.
    I believe it is the best moment to draw the attention of Muslims and anyone who doesn't believe in the salvation power of Jesus Christ through grace. It's April, the month of Easter that makes Christians commemorate the death and the resurrection of the Messiah.
    Many have wanted to enjoy immortality but have failed. Why? Because death is inevitable. Though you may die or lose a loved one..., there is the hope of resurrection.
    Look, death will not be the end because the Messiah who came to earth, died, and went back to heaven want you to live in eternity free of charge.
    This man called Jesus Christ of Nazareth has the power to make you enjoy eternal life in Paradise without any work on your side. Just accept him as your Savior. He is the only way to heaven.
    You are a mere mortal and so your weaknesses are many. Your pains and sorrows shouldn't be the reason why you want to give up. Although you are doing your best —you seem not to reach anywhere. Don't give up! There is hope in Jesus Christ, the Messiah. He has said:
    "...In the world, you have trouble and suffering, but take courage – I have conquered the world" John 16:33 NET.
    Just look up unto him and call on his name through prayers.
    Because he came to earth to take away our sins, fears, sorrows, and pave way for us to have a place in heaven where we can enjoy eternal life free of charge. Just take him as your savior. He has promised to prepare a way for you in heaven.
    "... I will come again and take you to be with me so that where I am you may be too" John 14:3 NET.
    Don't let your life challenges make you lose hope. Think about the eternal life you will enjoy in heaven for believing in Christ Jesus, the Messiah.
    Ask him anything you really need to live a happy life and he will answer.
    "If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it" John 14:14 NET.
    This man performed many miracles and the Bible has recorded them. We can, therefore, trust him with all our hearts. The Bible is the only book accompanied with miracles, signs, and wonders; because it is the very word of God. Many have received their healings Jesus will give you hope, wipe your tears, give you assurance of Heaven if you believe in him, and obey his word.
    Because as long as you live, there is life. Jesus Christ of Nazareth has promised to wipe away your tears if you call on Him.
    You already have what you need to be happy here on earth and in heaven when you die. Maybe you stress too much about how you can be worthy of Heaven. There are no strange conditions so don't stress yourself. Today, the Messiah is calling you to give him all your burdens. Just believe in him.
    "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest" Matthew 11:28 NET.
    The Messiah is calling everyone who desires to be saved. The time is now because, after death, there is no repentance and forgiveness of sin.
    I find the sentiment in this post to be very offensive, e.g. "Just accept him as your Savior. He is the only way to heaven". The only way????? This is the propaganda put forth by the Roman Catholic Church centuries ago to promote Christianity above all other religions. It's the sentiment that justified the Inquisition and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of non-Christians such as the Cathars over two millenium. It's the sentiment that sent christian missionaries all over the world to kill indigenous cultures. It's the sentiment that continues to divide humanity under the notion that my God is better than your God.

    I really think you should reflect on why you posted this to Avalon when there are lots of other christian forums that would better suited to this evangelical way of thinking which is just a belief structure. I mean, did you personally hear Jesus say these things. No, I guess not.
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