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    Default Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

    https://twitter.com/StateDept/status...31984099864578


    I.... Ok

    Should go into history books now, i guess

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    Default Re: Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

    Anyway... Here you go. " He who shall not be named"

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    Default Re: Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

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    https://twitter.com/StateDept/status...31984099864578


    I.... Ok

    Should go into history books now, i guess
    Someone made the same point underneath!

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    Default Re: Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

    At the house of government in Russia, there is an internal joke that the US government is managed by 3 kids stacked over each other under a trench coat

    Im starting to believe it's not really a joke

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    Yuri Gagarin, an obvious Russian name/Russian achievement. Are the Department of State being politically bitchy? Could be for another reason. Yuri Gagarin deserves the respect

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    Yuri Gagarin, an obvious Russian name/Russian achievement. Are the Department of State being politically bitchy? Could be for another reason. Yuri Gagarin deserves the respect
    Last year they 'forgot' to mention Russia on WW2 victory day. They also congratulated the US army on Auschwitz's liberation day, which was also done by Russia... Vice president Mike Pence even gave a speech about it, carefully written to avoid mentioning Russia or the USSR and to lead into thinking the US liberated Europe single handledly

    So that's no oversight in any possible way. Pure cringe is what it is
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    Thanks for Jack Parsons and ... Aleister Crowley LOL
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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)

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    Last year they 'forgot' to mention Russia on WW2 victory day. They also congratulated the US army on Auschwitz's liberation day, which was also done by Russia... Vice president Mike Pence even gave a speech about it, carefully written to avoid mentioning Russia or the USSR and to lead into thinking the US liberated Europe single handledly

    So that's no oversight in any possible way. Pure cringe is what it is
    In new-history Winston Churchill was Hitlers ally. Education has been getting duller by the decade, and WWII is further from living history. My grandparents were that generation that literally left their home to fight Nazis under Winston Churchill. But we have a generation who has no personal recollection like I do, from my grandparents stories, and have less education.... it's media and controlling agendas too, but ignorance has been creeping up. Things like this make me think we are in a post-truth world 🤔 -> Probably not a direct Orwell quote but meh, the words speak for themselves: "In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    In new-history Winston Churchill was Hitlers ally. Education has been getting duller by the decade, and WWII is further from living history. My grandparents were that generation that literally left their home to fight Nazis under Winston Churchill. But we have a generation who has no personal recollection like I do, from my grandparents stories, and have less education.... it's media and controlling agendas too, but ignorance has been creeping up. Things like this make me think we are in a post-truth world 🤔 -> Probably not a direct Orwell quote but meh, the words speak for themselves: "In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
    You took the words right out of my mouth Matthew; I wonder what history kids are taught today as well. It dawned on me a while ago that to today's youth, WW2 is as distant in time as the Boer Wars are to me, but I bet I know more about the Boer Wars than they do about WW2.

    I also grew up with family wartime reminiscences; I learnt first-hand from my parents what it was like to spend nights in a cold, damp and cramped air-raid shelter, and they had to go to school the next day. There was no time off for the trauma of German bombers overhead. My grandmothers also went to their wartime jobs.

    Back to topic, that was my immediate thought when I saw Mashika's first post - what about Yuri Gagarin??

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    Default Re: Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Back to topic, that was my immediate thought when I saw Mashika's first post - what about Yuri Gagarin??
    There's quite a lot of interesting evidence to suggest that Yuri Gagarin wasn't even the first human in space. Rather, he was just rolled out as the USSR's handsome poster child. (Short on time here, but I'll update more on this very fascinating topic a little later.)

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    Yup, the first man in space was quite possibly Vladimir Ilyushin. The theory went, that similar to any revolutionary new prototype, it had to have a test pilot. Ilyushin was that test pilot. If the mission went horribly wrong and he never returned from space it would severely embarrass the Soviet Union, so the mission was kept secret. As it was a success, Gagarin had the green light for the first publicly disclosed manned space flight. This is an old, very old conspiracy theory that has never gone away. Unfortunately it's difficult to prove if not impossible, but a 'trial run' prior to Gagarin does make a lot of sense.
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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Yup, the first man in space was quite possibly Vladimir Ilyushin. The theory went, that similar to any revolutionary new prototype, it had to have a test pilot. Ilyushin was that test pilot. If the mission went horribly wrong and he never returned from space it would severely embarrass the Soviet Union, so the mission was kept secret. As it was a success, Gagarin had the green light for the first publicly disclosed manned space flight. This is an old, very old conspiracy theory that has never gone away. Unfortunately it's difficult to prove if not impossible, but a 'trial run' prior to Gagarin does make a lot of sense.
    Yes. Here you go. It's interesting to look up the many articles about this. I'm reasonably convinced the story is true, and that the reason why Ilyushin was never paraded to the world is because he was quite badly injured in the landing.



    Here's the exact transcript, as some of the text is a little hard to read:

    ~~~

    Soviet astronaut circles the earth three times

    THE FIRST MAN IN SPACE

    Back alive — but suffering from effects of his flight

    THE Soviet Union has launched the first man into space and
    brought him back to earth alive, according to well-informed
    sources here.

    The astronaut, said to be the test-pilot son of a top-ranking
    Soviet aircraft designer, is understood to be suffering after-effects
    from his flight.


    Top aviation medical
    specialists and leading
    space scientists are in
    constant attendance.

    They are keeping him
    under close observation.


    An official announcement re-
    garding the flight, said to have
    taken place on Friday, is ex-
    pected tomorrow.

    The astronaut is said to have
    completed three orbits around
    the earth some 200 miles out in
    space before returning to earth
    in response to a signal from
    ground-station.

    EAGER WAIT

    His flight was made in a space
    vehicle weighing about 4½ tons
    of the type previously tested in
    space flight with dogs.

    The city has for the last 24
    hours been waiting with baited
    breath in expectation of the
    official announcement that the
    Union has won the space race.

    All day Muscovites have been
    keeping an ear cocked at their
    radios.

    Evening papers were eagerly
    snatched up and scanned for
    confirmation — or refutal — of
    the many rumours circulating
    amoung journalistic and scienti-
    fic circles in the city.
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    Default Re: Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)


    Yuri Gagarin, an obvious Russian name/Russian achievement. Are the Department of State being politically bitchy? Could be for another reason. Yuri Gagarin deserves the respect
    Last year they 'forgot' to mention Russia on WW2 victory day. They also congratulated the US army on Auschwitz's liberation day, which was also done by Russia... Vice president Mike Pence even gave a speech about it, carefully written to avoid mentioning Russia or the USSR and to lead into thinking the US liberated Europe single handledly

    So that's no oversight in any possible way. Pure cringe is what it is
    He should've been made to visit here and apologise.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Yup, the first man in space was quite possibly Vladimir Ilyushin. The theory went, that similar to any revolutionary new prototype, it had to have a test pilot. Ilyushin was that test pilot. If the mission went horribly wrong and he never returned from space it would severely embarrass the Soviet Union, so the mission was kept secret. As it was a success, Gagarin had the green light for the first publicly disclosed manned space flight. This is an old, very old conspiracy theory that has never gone away. Unfortunately it's difficult to prove if not impossible, but a 'trial run' prior to Gagarin does make a lot of sense.
    Yes. Here you go. It's interesting to look up the many articles about this. I'm reasonably convinced the story is true, and that the reason why Ilyushin was never paraded to the world is because he was quite badly injured in the landing.



    Here's the exact transcript, as some of the text is a little hard to read:

    ~~~

    Soviet astronaut circles the earth three times

    THE FIRST MAN IN SPACE

    Back alive — but suffering from effects of his flight

    THE Soviet Union has launched the first man into space and
    brought him back to earth alive, according to well-informed
    sources here.

    The astronaut, said to be the test-pilot son of a top-ranking
    Soviet aircraft designer, is understood to be suffering after-effects
    from his flight.


    Top aviation medical
    specialists and leading
    space scientists are in
    constant attendance.

    They are keeping him
    under close observation.


    An official announcement re-
    garding the flight, said to have
    taken place on Friday, is ex-
    pected tomorrow.

    The astronaut is said to have
    completed three orbits around
    the earth some 200 miles out in
    space before returning to earth
    in response to a signal from
    ground-station.

    EAGER WAIT

    His flight was made in a space
    vehicle weighing about 4½ tons
    of the type previously tested in
    space flight with dogs.

    The city has for the last 24
    hours been waiting with baited
    breath in expectation of the
    official announcement that the
    Union has won the space race.

    All day Muscovites have been
    keeping an ear cocked at their
    radios.

    Evening papers were eagerly
    snatched up and scanned for
    confirmation — or refutal — of
    the many rumours circulating
    amoung journalistic and scienti-
    fic circles in the city.
    Absolutely!

    It is all smoke and mirrors, circuses and bread. Russia and America have worked hand-in-hand behind the scenes for time immemorial. The facade of adversaries is just that, a facade.

    Once that nugget is firmly implanted in to one's consciousness, things like the Cold War, Space Race, etc, etc, make much more sense.


    Don't believe the hype.
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    Not to be a party pooper but I don't think they were suggesting the US was the first in space. The were simply mentioning the day, then honoring US astronauts.

    I have a US history book written by the secretary of education under the Reagan admin (doesn't get much more brainwashy than that) and it mentions Yuri as well as his quote about not seeing God, a kind of middle finger to the US.

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    The War Clock is Ticking.

    What must be borne in mind is that this statement by a President with great difficulties of memory and focus strays beyond his own global-socialist guidelines and policies.

    The original intention was an insult to Russia. If he had said "We honour all astronauts" and left out the "US" bit it might not have been so bad. But in naming this male, Collins, whoever he was, he concentrates specifically on the male success and brushes aside women in space. No US female in space has ever been worth a mention. This is what Biden is saying by omission.

    Besides Gagarin the man, we must not forget Valentina Tereshkova the woman.
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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    https://twitter.com/StateDept/status...31984099864578


    I.... Ok

    Should go into history books now, i guess
    My god the arrogance ... that is unreal ... kinda sad. Americans tend to have such issues honouring anything that is not American ... and that is not patriotism ... its arrogance.

    Well, hopefully the newer generations, have lost that tendency.
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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    Not to be a party pooper but I don't think they were suggesting the US was the first in space. The were simply mentioning the day, then honoring US astronauts.

    ...
    "Let's honour the day the first man went into space ... by instead honouring some other men who weren't first in space."

    Nope, it's weird.
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    Default Re: Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

    It's #humanspaceflight day not #firstmaninspace day. I join in on the celebration of US astronauts and I hope it inspires other US children to follow their dreams to become astronauts. Call me weird, call me what you wish.

    EDIT: Don't read too far into this.... I've had a rough few days and I get ****ty so my apologies. I stand by what I said but I don't mean to get pissy. Much love
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    Default Re: Let's celebrate the first human in space by pretending he did not exist

    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    It's #humanspaceflight day not #firstmaninspace day. I join in on the celebration of US astronauts and I hope it inspires other US children to follow their dreams to become astronauts. Call me weird, call me what you wish.

    EDIT: Don't read too far into this.... I've had a rough few days and I get ****ty so my apologies. I stand by what I said but I don't mean to get pissy. Much love
    The problem is this

    Quote Today marks 60 years since the first human was sent to space!
    So... who was that "first human"? They took the time to write other name and link to a video of the other person, but not mention the "first human sent to space", or link to a video of him of which there are a few online

    Other countries posted a tweet as well, they did not leave the name out. I don't think we need to read too much into it, it's clear as the sky, sorry

    See this, it was Russia who liberated Auschwitz, not the US, yet the US vice president at the time was the one to give a speech, and he 'forgot' to mention Russia, and ended up congratulating the US army for some reason
    Quote Vice President Pence Delivers Remarks at the Fifth World Holocaust Forum to Mark the 75th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz


    That was embarrassing, really

    Is not about anything else but to send a message, is not an oversight in any way

    Let's have more honor than that


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