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    Default Rudolf Steiner's prediction re vaccine to disconnect humans from Spirit

    The quote from Steiner I first saw posted on Project Avalon in various threads reads as follows:
    "In the future, we will eliminate the soul with medicine. Under the pretext of a ‘healthy point of view’, there will be a vaccine by which the human body will be treated as soon as possible directly at birth, so that the human being cannot develop the thought of the existence of soul and Spirit.
    To materialistic doctors, will be entrusted the task of removing the soul of humanity. As today, people are vaccinated against this disease or that disease, so in the future, children will be vaccinated with a substance that can be produced precisely in such a way that people, thanks to this vaccination, will be immune to being subjected to the “madness” of spiritual life. He would be extremely smart, but he would not develop a conscience, and that is the true goal of some materialistic circles.
    With such a vaccine, you can easily make the etheric body loose in the physical body. Once the etheric body is detached, the relationship between the universe and the etheric body would become extremely unstable, and man would become an automaton, for the physical body of man must be polished on this Earth by spiritual will. So, the vaccine becomes a kind of arymanique force; man can no longer get rid of a given materialistic feeling. He becomes materialistic of constitution and can no longer rise to the spiritual."

    (Ahriman is essentially another name for Satan. I've never seen that spelling with a "y" before --"arymanique". )
    No book, essay or lecture source of that quote from Steiner was provided that I've seen, however I found this:
    https://www.oom2.com/t73827-in-1917-...s-souls#156436

    Taken from the large archive of Steiner's work here:
    https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA...Dar_index.html

    I haven't read it all, but I did find an excerpt about vaccines in lecture 13 at:
    https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA...171027p01.html

    LECTURE 13 The Fallen Spirits' Influence in the World
    "I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts, in whom they will be dwelling, to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination towards spirituality out of people's souls when they are still very young, and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today, bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another; in future, children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce, and this will make them immune, so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life — ‘foolish’ here, of course, in the eyes of materialists."

    The full series of 14 lectures (or essays) entitled Fall of the Spirits of Darkness can be purchased in book form from Amazon and other sources as well.

    I contacted the facilitator of the archive at:e.Librarian <elibrarian@elib.com
    ...to see if he could tell me where to find that first quote.

    He replied:"Translated text can be very difficult to find, as different translators express what Steiner said differently."
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    "While the RS Archive has quite a bit of material, it does not have ALL of the material! There are around 2000 lectures that remain untranslated into English and several hundred articles, essays, etc.. As I mentioned, different translators present what Steiner said in different ways. With that in mind, the exact quote you are looking for may be hard to find! I do know that unless a Steiner quote is cited, it is probably not real! There are those forces out there that want to present their own agenda, and will deliberately offer proof by creating something that Steiner might have said, or that puts a different slant on what was actually said.

    When I started the RS Archive some 40+ years ago, three of the big names in Anthroposophy at that time encouraged me to create the initiative, but also cautioned me that there are forces that do not want me to succeed, nor do they want Anthroposophy to succeed, and they will come at you from places where you least expect it. This, in my experience, has come true over and over again! Each of us has to evaluate all things, of ourselves, through our own means. Steiner has said several times that we should not believe anything he says! We should, of ourselves, find the truth in everything. Biblical scholars have been predicting the second coming and the end of the Earth being eminent, for centuries. While this might happen, it probably will not, for quite some time, at least not on the physical plane.

    That said, run an RS Archive search on the single word, "vaccine", or "vaccinate", and you will get a list of choices the Archive has on those subjects:
    https://wn.rsarchive.org/search=mode...e&mode=context
    https://wn.rsarchive.org/search=mode...e&mode=context
    And! Don't believe anything I say!! Find out, of yourself. The journey is the important thing."

    Dark Journalist discusses Steiner , the Theosophists and Edgar Cayce's works in many of his online shows.

    Here are some which have been posted on Project Avalon recently:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1415568

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1409422

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1409333

    --These last two feature Gigi Young, a psychic who is well versed in Anthroposophy and Theosophy. She gives talks and does readings from her sites here:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo_...GtL3fjyP8NsNaw
    and
    https://gigiyoung.com/shop/?tx_product_cat=courses
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    Default Re: Rudolf Steiner's prediction re vaccine to disconnect humans from Spirit

    I found the Steiner prophecies fascinating. You may want to take a look at Gwin-Ru's post on this here:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1369170

    and I posted this article there but maybe it belongs here too...

    http://threeman.org/?p=2905

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    Default Re: Rudolf Steiner's prediction re vaccine to disconnect humans from Spirit

    I've mentioned this a few times before, but, no problem at all in reminding everyone that we have the entire "Fall of the Spirits of Darkness" lecture series in the library, along with a zip.

    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Default Re: Rudolf Steiner's prediction re vaccine to disconnect humans from Spirit

    The Steiner archive librarian (see Post #1) added this to our exchange in his last email:

    "What I wanted you to see in the links I gave, was this:
    'The time will come — and it may not be far off — when quite different tendencies will come up at a congress like the one held in 1912 and people will say: It is pathological for people to even think in terms of spirit and soul. ‘Sound’ people will speak of nothing but the body. It will be considered a sign of illness for anyone to arrive at the idea of any such thing as a spirit or a soul. People who think like that will be considered to be sick and — you can be quite sure of it — a medicine will be found for this. At Constantinople the spirit was made non-existent. The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a drug. Taking a ‘sound point of view’, people will invent a vaccine to influence the organism as early as possible, preferably as soon as it is born, so that this human body never even gets the idea that there is a soul and a spirit.

    The two philosophies of life will be in complete opposition. One movement will need to reflect how concepts and ideas may be developed to meet the reality of soul and spirit. The others, the heirs of modern materialism, will look for the vaccine to make the body ‘healthy’, that is, makes its constitution such that this body no longer talks of such rubbish as soul and spirit, but takes a ‘sound’ view of the forces which live in engines and in chemistry and let planets and suns arise from nebulae in the cosmos. Materialistic physicians will be asked to drive the souls out of humanity.'

    [ These last two paragraphs have had select words or sentences quoted to characterize Rudolf Steiner as being either ‘pro’ or ‘anti’ vaccine. Every human being needs to examine these statements closely and of their own free will. Firstly in the light that the words are an English translation of notes taken at a German lecture. And secondly, as only a part of a much larger thought. In your research, be sure to use our Search feature to find other documents where 'vaccine’ is referenced, and also other words like, ‘vaccinate’ or ‘vaccination,’ and ‘inoculate’ or ‘inoculation.’ Think ... Feel ... Will. See next paragraph. – e.Ed ] "
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    Default Re: Rudolf Steiner's prediction re vaccine to disconnect humans from Spirit

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    I've mentioned this a few times before, but, no problem at all in reminding everyone that we have the entire "Fall of the Spirits of Darkness" lecture series in the library, along with a zip.

    Thanks.

    This is 4/12 between Eve Lorgan, Laura Matsue, Bernhard Guenther

    Quote HYPERDIMENSIONAL HIJACKING, TRAUMA, AND RECLAIMING YOUR SOUL - EVE LORGEN
    In this episode of the Cosmic Matrix podcast, anomalous trauma researcher and therapist Eve Lorgen speaks to Bernhard Guenther and Laura Matsue about how hyper-dimensional forces can hijack us via unresolved trauma and the importance of reclaiming our soul.
    In the first hour, they speak about how hyperdimensional influences can affect love relationships, and how this relates to personality disorders and narcissistic abusive relationships. They also speak about traps of agreements affecting certain family/ancestral lines, how these agreements can even be made in past lives, and the importance of taking responsibility for your healing process and moving away from blame.
    They also speak about CPTSD, spiritual bypassing, the importance of compassion, how unresolved trauma may cause paranoia, the importance of somatic work and going through the grieving process when healing, and the simplicity of Being.
    In the second hour, they dive deeper and speak about the mRNA va@cks technology and how it may disconnect the soul from the body [soul harvesting], the globalist agenda to introduce a synthetic human via transhumanism and AI, why it’s important to not get trapped in the “mental realm” and the power of loving-kindness when engaging in the healing process.
    They also speak about how the solutions are much simpler than we think, the red flag of spiritual materialism and seeking “more advanced” knowledge and information, how many people think they’ve worked through their “stuff” but are lying to themselves, the issue of gurus, coaches, therapists who have not worked through their own stuff becoming hosts for occult forces, how to get out of the doom & gloom fear mindset, and why it is of critical importance right now to reclaim our soul and reconnect to who we truly are in order to counteract the matrix agenda.

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    Default Re: Rudolf Steiner's prediction re vaccine to disconnect humans from Spirit

    The first Steiner quote reminded me of a 2013 video of Graham Hancock interviewing Lorna Byrne, the lady who sees angels.

    She explains how Archangel Michael showed her a future where technology/science somehow changed humanity's brains.... separating the "parts of the brain", turning off the ability to love, capturing people's minds, turning people into slaves.

    Relevant part is at 25:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YeDTqv6O4M
    Last edited by Ami; 16th April 2021 at 23:44. Reason: post wrong time mark on video

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    Default Re: Rudolf Steiner's prediction re vaccine to disconnect humans from Spirit

    This fits here. If we accept that there are grand cycles, apparently the battle between LOVE of life and LOVE of death is always coming around again? I link this up with the ideas of harvest and of ascension. IMO we as individuals can get off the wheel. Those who want this struggle will play again. It makes a great deal of sense to eliminate most of the population so the rest are more manageable during "The Reset". This "evil plan" is so hard to accept. One can only work with oneself REALLY so in that way it is no new path we are on. It is just much more clear now that we must choose.

    Quote It’s fascinating that Aurobindo predicted the rise of a socialist centralized-State/world government over 100 years ago in 1919, mentioning the danger of globalism and the individual losing all freedom under global socialist control (which is the agenda of the [occult] asuric dark forces).

    He was predicting the socialist New World Order way before Orwell did and also hinted at the possibility of complete destruction [what the Mother called "The Dark Night of Civilization] (as it happened to previous ancient civilizations), death of life, and the necessity to repeat the cycle again unless a "revolutionary force or principle would shatter the whole fabric into pieces.":

    “The process by which the world-State may come starts with the creation of a central body which will at first, have very limited functions, but, once created, must absorb by degrees all the different functions of a centralized international control, as the State, first in the form of a monarchy and then of a parliament, has been absorbing by degrees the whole control of the life of the nation, so that we are now within measurable distance of a centralized socialistic State [NWO] which will leave no part of the life of its individuals unregulated.

    A similar process in the world-State will end in the taking up and the regulation of the whole life of the peoples into its hands; it may even end by abolishing national individuality and turning the divisions that it has created into mere departmental groupings, provinces and districts of the one common State. Such an eventuality may seem now a mere unrealizable idea, but it is one which, under certain conditions that are by no means beyond the scope of ultimate possibility, may well become feasible and even, after a certain point is reached, inevitable [note: keep in mind this was written in 1919].

    A centralized world-State would signify the triumph of the idea of mechanical unity or rather uniformity. It would inevitably mean the undue depression of an indispensable element in the vigour of human life and progress, the free life of the individual, the free variation of the peoples. It must end, if it becomes permanent and fulfills all its tendencies, either in a death in life, a stagnation or by the insurgence of some new saving but revolutionary force or principle which would shatter the whole fabric into pieces.

    The mechanical tendency is one to which the logical reason of man becomes easily addicted and its operations are, too, obviously the easiest to manage and the most ready to hand; its full evolution may seem to the reason desirable, necessary, inevitable, but its end is predestined.

    So, too, a centralized mechanical world-State must rouse in the end a similar force against it and might well end in a crumbling up and disintegration, even in the necessity for a repetition of the cycle of humanity ending in a better attempt to solve the problem."

    Sri Aurobindo, The Human Cycle
    The Ideal of Human Unity
    War and Self-Determination1919
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