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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    The "anything but Trump" logic does not fly as more Latinos and more African Americans voted for Trump than the previous election.
    It certainly was "anything but Trump" John, they just weren't vocal about it out on the streets like their rivals.

    If you want to get an idea, just consider how fervently Trump supporters hate democrats. Turn that on it's ear and that's how fervently democrats hate Trump and company.
    Ironic how Trump benefited from Hillary Hatred, and Biden benefited from Trump Hatred.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    There should be a thread called , Why did you vote for Biden, and you are not allowed to refer to Trump in your answer? Whenever i asked that question to anybody before the election it was truly fascinating the answers, biden has been in public office 47 years, there surely has to be a list of accomplishments we all remember and would be the reason why you are voting for this politician?

    What is another fascinating fact was how all the Biden campaign lawn signs disappeared within 2 days after the election,I mean they were all gone like nobody wanted you to know they supported Biden. And the Trump signs stayed up for the longest time and some are still up even now. Even trump flags are still flying at peoples homes. None of my friends that voted for Biden never mention his name at all when I see them, not one word.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    I don't know of too many Biden supporters on here. Might not seem like it from some of my posts, but I actually did vote for Trump in the previous election, not because I considered him a good option, but because I saw the push towards the Great Reset as a greater threat in the long term. I did however vote for democrat/Third party canditates in other positions such as the Senate to offer a counterbalance.

    I can really only comment on the people on my Facebook friend list, as it's 95% liberal leaning on there. By and large they like how he is handing the pandemic and the stimulus, less so in regards to foreign entanglements like Saudi Arabia/Yemen. There are really only a few on there I know who are genuinely strong Biden fans, mostly they are just glad to not see Trumps tweets and rants any longer.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    spindoctor, your post shows how two good people can see things so differently. Let me take one issue ,the gun issue first.

    USA has the highest per capita gun number   90 out of 100 people own a firearms, we are number one in the world !
    However, Socialist Honduras is the number one per capita murder rate in the world Socialist Honduras with their no guns law.

    Out of some 200 nations listed for per capita murders,  USA comes in at around 90th Wow really? the most armed country is the 90th in murders?
    So those 90 other countries, many socialist, with gun control,  by far outweigh USA in murders.

    No Guns does not equate to no murders.  People kill people, not guns.
    and if you take the guns away from the good law abiding citizens,
    they will only be left in the hands of the criminal.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    The "anything but Trump" logic does not fly as more Latinos and more African Americans voted for Trump than the previous election.
    It certainly was "anything but Trump" John, they just weren't vocal about it out on the streets like their rivals.

    If you want to get an idea, just consider how fervently Trump supporters hate democrats. Turn that on it's ear and that's how fervently democrats hate Trump and company.
    Ironic how Trump benefited from Hillary Hatred, and Biden benefited from Trump Hatred.
    The majority of the hatred towards HRC was real, despite MSM (in the broadest sense) efforts to downplay that. The majority of the hatred towards Trump was manufactured, because of MSM efforts to up-play that. Now we see MSM depict Biden as one who can do no wrong, just as it depicted, and continues to depict, Trump as one who can do no right. In matters political, as in most other aspects of society, perceptions are manufactured.

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    Lightbulb Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Funny to see how easy some people use the word "hate" when some one fully disagrees with some-one else ... I see that assumption (interpretation) as projection as it shows how many can not deal/cope with solid criticism and probably "hate" themselves for it ... Nobody likes to be pointed at (y)our incompetence, gee some may even hate that aspect of themselves.... and assume it "must" be flawed or "lies" somehow ... then you have those who depend on so many beLIEved lies they have been spoon-fed all their lives.

    I really do not mind anyone "correcting" me, if it is legit, and I will not call it "hate" to shy away of my own shortcomings we all can have time to time.

    Even the most perfect criticism can have some flawed assumptions ... I look for the difference in "intent" ... Some willingly deceive themselves without realizing it ... some use "white-watched lies" .... meaning: they believe the lies/deceptions to be true and when they would use a lie-detector test, they "PASS the test" because they sincerely believe the lies they are told. This is a deep rooted problem in our fragile society can happen on ALL sides >> but I tend to see it being much worse with Democrats for so many reasons they do not want to hear, hence call for mass censorship done by insecure (snowflake) Democrats.
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by Spindoctor (here)
    It is remarkable how the absolute blizzard of lies, fraud, deception, diversion and evasion ended with trump deposed. Justice still awaits the enablers who lined their pockets under his reign and those who paid for, oversaw and directed the insurrection., but there needs to be an enquiry into murdoch and conservative media who continue to profit from outright lies, bias, fabricated and smear campaigns without accountability. Free speech doesn't mean there can be no consequences for gerrymandering, rigging the electoral system and allowing and encouraging peoples deaths through deliberate negligence. Glad to see Murdoch has lost 30% of subscribers as the lied to wake up and flee. Texas has had immigrants crossing for how many decades yet its all Biden's fault? Why do these people send their famnilies and kids? US foreign meddling in those governments to support dictatorships and crooked corporations is a direct result. Biden has so far restored US international prestige & reputation and that 100 million plus have been vaccinated so fast after trumps incompetence shows a remarkable, world leading turnaround. That Biden is pushing ahead wih a minimum $15 wage, will finally work on essential gun control to stop your insanity of mass killings, promote free healthcare, education and fsar greater spending on public housing is breathtaking. Some media are already stating Biden will be one of the greatest ever presidents if he can somehow change the systemic racism, poverty, inequality and have the guts to take on and cower unrestrained nil tax paying corporations. American prospects are far better than under trump and world dictators and regimes are reminded of that. China's sabre rattling and aggressiveness towards Taiwan is an ongoing threat. Americas's inner division fomented by GOP, billionaire backers Fox and other propaganda poses a far greater domestic terrorism.
    I am curious what YOU would do, if you owned land, and invader from the south came to your house and wanted your stuff? Would YOU just roll over and give it to them? A country without secure borders is just a hunk of land. Biden is allowing these people to come here and steal from us. Just this morning I had 4 men come across my land, crossed a posted fence and were heading to my house. This is a daily occurrence here. They tear down fence, drive through gates and steal if they get the opportunity. I have lived here many years and have only had one of two people come wandering across. I keep a count....I have had 163 people since Biden opened the borders. Would you allow this to happen on property to worked hard to pay for and develop? I will not.
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” William Blake

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by Karen (Geophyz) (here)
    Quote Posted by Donald Ryan (here)
    I just think it is too early to pass judgement on anyone in such a short period of time. . .whether you support Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head or Dr. Suess. All people can do, at this point, is pass along their biases. Ask me in a year or two. . .
    Oh I can pass judgement today! I see how many people are flooding across our southern border, freely. Saying Biden invited them. I did not invite them to trample my fences, run cars through my gates, kill my livestock and attempt to steal from me. Biden did. The US is no longer a sovereign nation, she has open borders. She is waiting to see which country will come in and take over.
    These are human beings you’re talking about. Some pretty bigoted comments on here these days. I thought this was a forum for conscious people, not so anymore. Tribal, coddled minds. I really do worry more for the future when I see the ignorance and gathered among the ranks. Outta here

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by Spindoctor (here)
    It is remarkable how the absolute blizzard of lies, fraud, deception, diversion and evasion ended with trump deposed. Justice still awaits the enablers who lined their pockets under his reign and those who paid for, oversaw and directed the insurrection., but there needs to be an enquiry into murdoch and conservative media who continue to profit from outright lies, bias, fabricated and smear campaigns without accountability. Free speech doesn't mean there can be no consequences for gerrymandering, rigging the electoral system and allowing and encouraging peoples deaths through deliberate negligence. Glad to see Murdoch has lost 30% of subscribers as the lied to wake up and flee. Texas has had immigrants crossing for how many decades yet its all Biden's fault? Why do these people send their famnilies and kids? US foreign meddling in those governments to support dictatorships and crooked corporations is a direct result. Biden has so far restored US international prestige & reputation and that 100 million plus have been vaccinated so fast after trumps incompetence shows a remarkable, world leading turnaround. That Biden is pushing ahead wih a minimum $15 wage, will finally work on essential gun control to stop your insanity of mass killings, promote free healthcare, education and fsar greater spending on public housing is breathtaking. Some media are already stating Biden will be one of the greatest ever presidents if he can somehow change the systemic racism, poverty, inequality and have the guts to take on and cower unrestrained nil tax paying corporations. American prospects are far better than under trump and world dictators and regimes are reminded of that. China's sabre rattling and aggressiveness towards Taiwan is an ongoing threat. Americas's inner division fomented by GOP, billionaire backers Fox and other propaganda poses a far greater domestic terrorism.
    @Spindoctor did you write that yourself, or did you "mark copy paste" that from a different source? ...

    ... if so, please add source-link ... but if you wrote that yourself: CrapNewsNetwork may want to hire you

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by jade (here)
    Quote Posted by Karen (Geophyz) (here)
    Quote Posted by Donald Ryan (here)
    I just think it is too early to pass judgement on anyone in such a short period of time. . .whether you support Biden, Trump, Mr. Potato Head or Dr. Suess. All people can do, at this point, is pass along their biases. Ask me in a year or two. . .
    Oh I can pass judgement today! I see how many people are flooding across our southern border, freely. Saying Biden invited them. I did not invite them to trample my fences, run cars through my gates, kill my livestock and attempt to steal from me. Biden did. The US is no longer a sovereign nation, she has open borders. She is waiting to see which country will come in and take over.
    These are human beings you’re talking about. Some pretty bigoted comments on here these days. I thought this was a forum for conscious people, not so anymore. Tribal, coddled minds. I really do worry more for the future when I see the ignorance and gathered among the ranks. Outta here
    It's easy to sit on the moral high ground when it doesn't cost you anything to do so. We both live on an island, relatively sheltered from the turmoil that can occur when desperate people are moving en masse into a land. If you ever live on a border between a first and third world country however that disparity of income in itself is sufficient to pose many potential problems. Karen has already outlined her position, on her own miles from help with strangers entering her land and possibly posing a threat to her and her property. I don't detect any bigotry in her comments, just desperation at seeing her nation seemingly abandoning any responsibility in protecting the border on which she lives. Perhaps you could extend a little of your empathy for her. She's also a human being after all?

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Wow....If you're leaving Jade I'd suggest an open dialogue, point by point, before you go.

    I'll start here....Read her posts.

    You call Karen bigoted? Really? How dare you call her bigoted! You obviously don't know her at all.

    Did you ever read any of Karen's other posts about helping people out when she could, people more real than your words, while still protecting her own safety, her property? How is it that she would ever be able to help anyone, when her hard earned and cultivated land was being destroyed and her safety threatened EVERY SINGLE DAY, all day and all night since a new president came into office? Are you that clueless?

    Why has the current pres. not sent help for those immigrants, and why has he purposely left them to cross the border without providing a check point to stop them before entry, helping them apply for legal entry and go thru the process, where they would have no worry about being deported or lose their jobs or lose contact with their children? I doubt if you owned and lived on her land and were in her shoes you'd be so accommodating and allow your life's work to be destroyed without doing something about it.

    When were you left alone in your own country, without government protection and had to deal with refugees from poverty and violence crossing your land, destroying the fencing that keeps you and the animals you've raised protected from natural predators? Then, to have your safety threatened daily since a new PM or president was elected by the influx of refugees? It's so easy for you not to walk in her shoes.

    As for Spindoctor.....the name says it all. Suddenly, with that incongruent diatribe, your name went from being a play on words, maybe even a thoughtful warning "not to be diverted by the spin", to being exactly what it looks like.

    Do you know what diatribe means? It means to divert people into division, into competing without dialogue, to refuse to discuss without being manipulated. Instead of communicating, challenging with insight, a different viable perspective, a heartfelt emotional viewpoint you go off...

    It makes no sense for anyone to be in a place like Avalon where we take the time to listen to each other, and then not offer up questions and refuse to get involved in communicating. Kind of a drag, because within that long paragraph you made some points we'd all agree with. Do you even wonder what those things are, or do you want to express your hatred? Kudos to living up to the name.

    Mix truths we all agree with, especially the majority of us here who are centrist, and live with a very pronounced humane perspective, without any political nose ring pulling our arses one way or the other, and then add in such clueless b.s. and you'd fit the spindoctor narrative.

    By the way, while we all sit here typing Karen, right at this moment is still dealing with the immigrants, when it is not her job to do so. She's even expressed her exasperation at the possibility of having to give it all up and move, before it is all taken away from her control, from her simple right to live in peace.........
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Modern tribes are not real tribes. They are political parties, drunk on the difference that breeds indifference....No one survives....
    There's the truth of daily life and then there's the division, all man made.

    There was a special on today showing how different people worldwide were coping with all the stress, the real, yearly, outside viral intrusion of contaminants into the peaceful lives of people worldwide...City dwellers, suburban church going folks and tribal communities all dealing with a darkness that was planned. To me it looks like the ones I've seen forever here.

    In India there is a crowded community of 3,500 impoverished families living in a slum. The film follows a musician, playing a dreaded harmonium no less, singing songs about the corona and how they are dealing with it. Beautiful singing. Though he was a Hindu ragi, his songs weren't from the ragas of his faith.

    They were all about dealing with the life as it is presented and carrying on with the strength the Vedas speak about. In that extreme state of poverty and lack of things many of us take for granted, their spirits, their dance, their carrying on with life goes on unabated.

    There has not been one case of corona inside of those families. Not that it won't, but if it comes the survival rate will be very high.They have held on to the cultural heritage of auyrvedic healing and great community support, with little or no help from the government. If there were a need for funeral pyres to be made there wouldn't even be space to build one there.

    In another chapter of the film we visit an isolated tribal area in Brazil. Their loses have been many and their survival has had to progress, not revert, back to their cultural strengths. They built a large house to isolate the ill. For the first time they had to bury their dead outside of the village commons.

    They had their yearly meeting of the tribes, where they wrestle each other one on one, in a large open area. This time only 2 of the 9 local tribes in their area could attend.

    The narrator, a tribal leader, said that even though meeting in such large numbers risks exposure, it was a matter of survival that the tribes meet and challenge each other, support each other.....and look at the current world with a strength deeper than any single tribe could create.
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    • Bill Maher claims "Hard to Make Fun of Biden" (Destroyed by comedian K-von)

    ... brilliant ...
    • Comedians Tried to Warn You of Biden's Stupidity - Get to Know The Puppet
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
    "You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by Donald Ryan (here)
    I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
    "You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.
    My parents immigrated from Italy. Took them a long time but they became American citizens the legal way. They never crossed onto peoples land and destroyed things. They never stole from people or threatened people if they did not give up their stuff. You call me judgmental, hell yes I am judgmental! I WORKED and PAID for my ranch and I will not be intimidated by these invaders. You should try it sometime.
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    Quote Posted by Donald Ryan (here)
    I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
    "You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.
    You can't see the border in Texas that Karen lives by in Portland either Donald. Maybe she's impacted by this in a much more personal, direct and immediate way than you or many of the others opining on this?

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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    Quote Posted by Donald Ryan (here)
    I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
    "You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.
    You can't see the border in Texas that Karen lives by in Portland either Donald. Maybe she's impacted by this in a much more personal, direct and immediate way than you or many of the others opining on this?
    This is twice I have been attacked for protecting my land and my belongings. I will not post about this again. No wonder this country is being taken over. We are simply overflowing with really stupid people who seem to think that those of who own things should just hand them over to illegal invaders. It breaks my heart what this country has come too.
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” William Blake

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    I don't think Donald's and Karen's points are mutually exclusive. What I'm getting out of the dialogue here is that it's very difficult to imagine oneself in someone else's shoes. But it's important to at least try.

    I share Karen's rage at the situation on the border. It's unforgivable. If I were going thru the same situation I'd be saying and feeling the exact same things. Actually I think Karen has far more grace than me and is handling it better than I ever could.

    And yet, if I were a poor, struggling Mexican, I'd be looking for any way to get into the U.S., legal or illegal. I would do whatever it took to get my family over here: lie, steal, cheat, and even commit violence.

    In the abstract, I can completely understand the plight of the illegal immigrant. Those people do need help, but not at the expense of American citizens.

    Biden and Co have really f#cked this thing up, and that's what it boils down to. Voting for him, in my view, was a profoundly irresponsible thing for anyone to do.

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    No one here said anything about slamming the borders shut. Any administration that refuses to take responsibility to protect immigrants, by not accounting for their safety, is criminal. Accounting for the safety of children by having them processed, greatly reduces their becoming victims of human trafficking. That cannot be done when they are being sent over the border without their parents, relying on human traffickers and their connections to survive in a foreign country.

    What inhumane, political negligence allows that to happen? Especially at this time, when the world wide finance of human trafficking, especially sex trafficking, accounts for more money than the illegal drug trade.

    This administration's lack of protection for those seeking immigration is feeding human trafficking into this country. Where are both parties in dealing with changing the laws to facilitate a faster road to citizenship, which lessens the burden on the borders and decreases the real threats to the people already here.

    I didn't agree with the last admin. separating parents and their children. It was cruel and it complicated the process of absorbing all those who would become assets to any country, let alone to any economy, which is the real base line for most political policies. At least then there was a way to document their admittance into the country and increase their protection from predators.

    Both parties in the mix have failed the country and the people wanting to enter and then to become productive and protected from harm. However, in this case, where this administration is promoting immigration without the protection of the officers and the court system that is set up to protect them, as well as it's current citizens, the deliberate neglect is next level abuse.

    Those who know their past most often see themselves in the same place as immigrants, and in doing so consider new immigrants as welcome......yet not ever accepting any abuse from them. Real, loving and successful families live this way.
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    • The 'leader of the free world' is 'cognitively delinquent':
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