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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Good thread to bring so much division together.

    What I see is no matter if both left [Biden}, or right [Trump], appear to disagree with one another. They are one in the same. They are both controllers.

    So should we assess which controller is better than the other?

    I support none of them. Tr5ump supported vaccines as god like law. Biden hand in hand with Trump.

    Welcome to the new world order all. May I see your papers before you go to disney land, of board this airline?

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    Quote Posted by Donald Ryan (here)
    I would be willing to bet that the majority of people that want to slam the borders shut are children, great-grandchildren, great, great grandchildren of immigrants. Before you get so judgemental, look in your own closet.
    "You can't see borders from 30,000 feet." Try it some time.
    This is a photo of Don's great-grandfather, William Henry Ryan, that he kindly shared with us here a week ago.



    He saved up his hard-earned money to emigrate with his family (including my own father, then a little 3-year old boy) from England to Canada on a steamship in 1907.

    When he arrived there, he worked strenuous and dangerous long hours as part of the large construction crew on the Pont du Québec bridge over the Saint Lawrence River. There's nothing in the historical record to suggest that he was anything other than a fine man, a devoted husband and father, a hard and honest worker, and a law-abiding citizen. I believe Don is very proud of him.

    A century later, his grandson — yours truly — migrated to Ecuador in 2011. I'm still a British citizen, but I went through the formal process of registering myself legally in Ecuador as a resident, which I still am. It was inconvenient, and a big hassle, and it cost quite a lot (about $1000 or so). But that's what I did.

    Mike is correct, as he usually is: there's (a) the rule of law, and (b) the empathy to be shown for those who are underprivileged or unfortunate in many other ways. I've traveled extensively in Africa and India, and I've seen that kind of suffering at first hand. I know about poverty.

    But Karen has her rights, too. She lives alone on a ranch in Texas with her animals. When the alarms go off in the early hours of the morning, as they often do now, she goes out into the night with a sidearm and a rifle, on her own, to handle the situation, sometimes facing up to a group of several men together who have crossed the border on to her land.

    She gives the intruders food and water when they need it, and shows them the way to leave her private property. She does this often.

    She has immense courage. She grieves for the children who are caught up in all this. She can't bear to see them suffer as they do. But she's not causing that suffering. Someone else is, somehow, somewhere.

    It's easy to generalize about all this from the standpoint of an idealist. But there are serious and severe practical problems.

    For anyone (whoever they might be on this thread) to criticize Karen for how she handles this and for what she finds herself feeling, is to display naiveté that would be easily corrected by first learning a little more — directly from her, as she's happy to share her experiences — about the real situation on the ground.
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Thanks for you viewpoint, Bill. I think if we could all step back, take a breath and put ourselves in the other person's shoes, this planet would be a much more pleasant place to be. Cheers!

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    Quote Posted by Donald Ryan (here)
    Thanks for you viewpoint, Bill. I think if we could all step back, take a breath and put ourselves in the other person's shoes, this planet would be a much more pleasant place to be. Cheers!
    Yes, I agree. Portland, Oregon is about 8,700,000 feet from where Karen lives. That's a lot more than 30,000. It may be VERY hard to see things clearly from that distance.

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    Great points Bill, my grandmother said goodbye to her brother on a horse drawn cart before they came over on the ship, my great great grandfather fought in the civil war and walked home in the midst of winter with only rags on his feet for shoes to see his family. Karen , what a Jewell and asset she is to the Avalon family, much respect to her in all aspects.

    The big difference with immigration now as opposed to 100 years ago was there wasn't a financial support system that kicked in automatically when you crossed the border. I'm all for legal immigration as some 1.5 million come here legally every year. Politics are a toxic topic in any venue and should just be banned period. It just creates division, I have my own strong opinions , I've employed over 800 people in my lifetime. Seen it , done it, there are people from all walks of life that live all different lives. Thats what makes us who we are.

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    Quote Posted by Andre (here)
    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.
    Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!
    I think I need to dial down my sarcasm a notch, not everyone gets it apparently.
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    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    Quote Posted by Andre (here)
    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.
    Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!
    I think I need to dial down my sarcasm a notch, not everyone gets it apparently.
    s7e6e,

    No worries Mate. I got it right away.
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    Wasn't this thread about Joey B?
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Andre (here)
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    US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.
    Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!
    Referring to posts which have been shared publicly in recent weeks or months, Mark/Rahkyt and Praxis told us they'd voted for Biden, and 42, Fellow Aspirant and mijatoca have stated they're Biden supporters, though they didn't vote as they're all Canadian. There were a few more, but I believe most or all have become inactive since the election.
    Same here in the UK with Brexiteers - no need to keep shouting about it as their side won.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by safara (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Andre (here)
    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    US after Trump has been a paradise so far. It's a miracle a nuclear war hasn't yet been started.
    Well, it seems there is at least one Biden supporter on this forum even though they're from Australia!
    Referring to posts which have been shared publicly in recent weeks or months, Mark/Rahkyt and Praxis told us they'd voted for Biden, and 42, Fellow Aspirant and mijatoca have stated they're Biden supporters, though they didn't vote as they're all Canadian. There were a few more, but I believe most or all have become inactive since the election.
    Same here in the UK with Brexiteers - no need to keep shouting about it as their side won.
    Hey there — so glad to see you posting again.

    On a different thread, maybe, even if it's in a members-only section, could you find a way to share something about your personal experiences in Zimbabwe? I absolutely know they may be hard to write about, but many members, self included, would be so very interested to read very carefully, and maybe learn about some things we may not know about at all.




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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Thanks Bill, for putting my name in this thread. Always looking out for me.

    I voted for Biden, yes. He wasn't my first choice, Marianne Williamson was. To answer the thread question, I think he's doing great, he's a Democrat and Dems do what they do how they do it, just like Repubs do.

    True to form, he is balancing the equation and doing a lot to help the nation as a whole and a lot of people who don't even want his help but will accept it and curse his name while doing so.

    I expect more kids will go to pre-K now, more young adults will go to community college. Folks without degrees will get them and those who don't want degrees will get infrastructure jobs. We'll move further into wind and solar, Tesla will take over the tech world, Gates and Co. will consolidate their global gains and the seemingly remorseless path toward global American domination - until the Chinese takeover - and One World will continue. All of this, in the context of a virus and vaccine that will continue mutating and being updated to God knows what end.

    It's definitely not an ideal situation for anyone with the heart to truly help the world, as the pathways of societal and technological evolution have been set by global trends and it will take the will of the people en masse, as some sort of global populist movement, to change the current course of action and media is doing all it can to make sure that does not happen.
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    Thank you for helping keep the thread on topic Mark!

    This forum is a target rich environment in which to slam both Biden and democrats, but that's not what Doug was looking for in this particular case.
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Thank you for helping keep the thread on topic Mark!

    This forum is a target rich environment in which to slam both Biden and democrats, but that's not what Doug was looking for in this particular case.

    I don't dislike Biden. I think he'd be more fun to have a beer with than Trump! He smiles, he laughs, and I think he wants the best for people. He's personable and compassionate. It's his policies that frighten me, and his mental deterioration. And I think he's really botched this border issue. But I'm rooting for him, for what it's worth. I want him to do well! I'm not one of these bitter losers who hopes the other side fails. I want him to succeed and I pray for the man.
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

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    Thank you for helping keep the thread on topic Mark!

    This forum is a target rich environment in which to slam both Biden and democrats, but that's not what Doug was looking for in this particular case.

    I don't dislike Biden. I think he'd be more fun to have a beer with than Trump! He smiles, he laughs, and I think he wants the best for people. He's personable and compassionate. It's his polices that frighten me, and his mental deterioration. And I think he's really botched this border issue. But I'm rooting for him, for what it's worth. I want him to do well! I'm not one of these bitter losers who hopes the other side fails. I want him to succeed and I pray for the man.
    Biden succeed. Succeed at what? Dismantling the Republic, that’s all. And, it is not him who will succeed at that. He has no clue what is going on. He is not in charge. He’s the most obvious puppet imaginable. He does not even try to hide that fact.

    And I don’t give a whit if my posts are off topic from what Doug had in mind when he started this thread. I’ve held my tongue and restrained my fingers from the keyboard long enough. Yet it would take far too much time and effort here to try to get through to the Biden lovers/likers who might read this thread. Besides, you have made up your minds and nothing I could say will change that.

    Like or dislike Trump, like or dislike Biden, who cares? The stakes are far too high to trivialize what is going on by minimizing this disaster to who you like or not, and thereby try to defend these illegitimate criminals pretending to be leaders and represent this country. They are not trusted by any leadership of other countries. What happened last year and what is occurring now in the USA has made this country the laughing stock of the planet.

    Anyone who voted for Biden and/or supports him and his handlers’ policies deserves what is coming. And, no, this is not sour grapes. It’s awareness and discernment on my part.

    Enjoy your free stuff at the expense of others and your indentured servitude.

    Gracy May. Don’t you dare put on you mod hat on this thread. You cannot weigh in on a thread and then put on your mod hat in that thread to admonish posts you disagree with. You cannot be both an advocate and the judge of what is proper from other advocates on the same thread.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    Gracy May. Don’t you dare put on you mod hat on this thread. You cannot weigh in on a thread and then put on your mod hat in that thread to admonish posts you disagree with. You cannot be both an advocate and the judge of what is proper from other advocates on the same thread.
    Don't you dare tell me what to do.

    My posts in this thread have had nothing to do with agreement or not, and all to do with honoring Doug's original intent.

    Show us all otherwise!
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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    Satori, I largely agree with everything you wrote about Biden. But more than half the population voted for him, and if we wish to dialogue with that other half and find out what they're thinking - as Doug's original intent was expressed - we won't find out by shouting them down, or Biden bashing. I think Gracy was just trying to make sure the thread didn't continue in that direction.

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    Default Re: Biden voters and supporters. How is it going?

    From the outset Biden moved to call for unity in the face of the stark Dem/GOP divide and for total action by everyone on Covid. How is getting a pandemic under control, vitally needed job creation, trillions in infrastructure spending, affordable healthcare, education, social housing and other boosts to standards of living dismantling the republic? Trump/GOP staged an insurrection despite a national certified & audited vote installed a democratic government. Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. Where is your proof Biden is not in charge? The guy is in the chair, the buck stops with him and as the world has seen in his first 100 days he is very hands on.. Where is your evidence of biden's mental deterioration or are you just repeating fox/GOP BS and smears? I watched the debate, Biden was articulate, intelligent and knew his facts unlike the shouty idiot. Worldwide Biden is seen as a breath of fresh air, a genuine leader with compassion who has quickly made other nations pull up their socks when it comes to addressing climate change, implementing renewables and other beneficial policies. He already is going to tackle that big no no, going after the trillions hidden by billionaire corporations in tax havens People who voted for Biden were tired of serial liars and self enriching carpetbaggers on both sides of the house who only spoke on the orders of their backers to gut your environmental, wages, health, education, consumer protection policies and safeguards. Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined, very politically savvy to survive this long, and a warrior when he needs to be. He faces a raft of systemic issues from racism, poverty, starvation wages, extortionate healthcare in a system relying on economic slavery/cop brutality and vote gerrymandering to keep people poor and powerless. If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. Americas current positive future direction, economy, society and individual welfare at this stage is lookingf vastly better than a year ago.

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    From the outset Biden moved to call for unity in the face of the stark Dem/GOP divide and for total action by everyone on Covid. How is getting a pandemic under control, vitally needed job creation, trillions in infrastructure spending, affordable healthcare, education, social housing and other boosts to standards of living dismantling the republic? Trump/GOP staged an insurrection despite a national certified & audited vote installed a democratic government. Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. Where is your proof Biden is not in charge? The guy is in the chair, the buck stops with him and as the world has seen in his first 100 days he is very hands on.. Where is your evidence of biden's mental deterioration or are you just repeating fox/GOP BS and smears? I watched the debate, Biden was articulate, intelligent and knew his facts unlike the shouty idiot. Worldwide Biden is seen as a breath of fresh air, a genuine leader with compassion who has quickly made other nations pull up their socks when it comes to addressing climate change, implementing renewables and other beneficial policies. He already is going to tackle that big no no, going after the trillions hidden by billionaire corporations in tax havens People who voted for Biden were tired of serial liars and self enriching carpetbaggers on both sides of the house who only spoke on the orders of their backers to gut your environmental, wages, health, education, consumer protection policies and safeguards. Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined, very politically savvy to survive this long, and a warrior when he needs to be. He faces a raft of systemic issues from racism, poverty, starvation wages, extortionate healthcare in a system relying on economic slavery/cop brutality and vote gerrymandering to keep people poor and powerless. If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. Americas current positive future direction, economy, society and individual welfare at this stage is lookingf vastly better than a year ago.
    Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more!

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    Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more!
    With respect Bill.

    After basically branding this person the village idiot for their views by referring to them as "Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.)", they really do deserve you say just a bit more with at least a hint of a reason for why that is.

    It's not much of a debate gotcha moment just informing the audience your opponent is dead wrong in everything they say, and then taking a bow.
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    Quote Posted by Spindoctor (here)
    From the outset Biden moved to call for unity in the face of the stark Dem/GOP divide and for total action by everyone on Covid. How is getting a pandemic under control, vitally needed job creation, trillions in infrastructure spending, affordable healthcare, education, social housing and other boosts to standards of living dismantling the republic? Trump/GOP staged an insurrection despite a national certified & audited vote installed a democratic government. Biden is definitely not a stage managed puppet and has far more mental acuity than we've seen in the WH in recent years. Where is your proof Biden is not in charge? The guy is in the chair, the buck stops with him and as the world has seen in his first 100 days he is very hands on.. Where is your evidence of biden's mental deterioration or are you just repeating fox/GOP BS and smears? I watched the debate, Biden was articulate, intelligent and knew his facts unlike the shouty idiot. Worldwide Biden is seen as a breath of fresh air, a genuine leader with compassion who has quickly made other nations pull up their socks when it comes to addressing climate change, implementing renewables and other beneficial policies. He already is going to tackle that big no no, going after the trillions hidden by billionaire corporations in tax havens People who voted for Biden were tired of serial liars and self enriching carpetbaggers on both sides of the house who only spoke on the orders of their backers to gut your environmental, wages, health, education, consumer protection policies and safeguards. Your new president comes across as highly inteligent capable and determined, very politically savvy to survive this long, and a warrior when he needs to be. He faces a raft of systemic issues from racism, poverty, starvation wages, extortionate healthcare in a system relying on economic slavery/cop brutality and vote gerrymandering to keep people poor and powerless. If anyone can bring Merica back from the brink I think he will give and do everything to succeed. Americas current positive future direction, economy, society and individual welfare at this stage is lookingf vastly better than a year ago.
    Laughable and uninformed. (To say the least.) I'll say no more!
    • Just maybe, this could be a very related topic:

    "Spin Doctor" ?!

    As the PRSA Code of Ethics states, “protecting and advancing the free flow of accurate and truthful information is essential to serving the public interest and contributing to informed decision-making in a democratic society.”

    The Code of Ethics also presents values that set the industry standard for public relations:
    • Advocacy: Serving the public interest by acting as responsible advocates for those we represent.
    • Honesty: Maintaining the highest standards of accuracy and truth.
    • Expertise: Acquiring and responsibly using specialized knowledge and experience.
    • Independence: Providing objective counsel.
    • Loyalty: We are faithful to those we represent, while honoring our obligation to serve the public interest.
    • Fairness: We deal fairly with clients, employers, competitors, peers, vendors, the media and the general public.
    These principles are a far cry from picking and choosing specific facts with the intent to win the day. Indeed, public relations is a counterbalance to spin. PR practitioners honestly communicate accurate information. They don’t deviate from it to suit a specific agenda.

    The word “spin” is from the Old English, meaning to draw out and twist fibers into thread. But now it means twisting words.

    Of course, another definition for “spin” is a physical activity that makes us disoriented. Spinners stumble, and lose their sense of direction. And that’s never a good idea.

    How spin doctors destroyed our democracy:

    The modern version of "Spin Doctors" are: "Perception Managers" re-framing & controlling the (tunnel vision) pushed "narrative" serving a specific one-sided agenda only ... with NO regard to learn from genuine & healthy critics ... Always choosing to "counter attack" with even more misrepresentations, false accusations, exaggerations, lies, endless (pathetic & lame) insinuations & tactical deceptions by default.

    So when any public "debate" starts ... they expect you to "correct" all of it ... thus depriving you to speak your focus of attention! ... Hijacking the focus of attention is the name of the game in Mainstream Lamestream Media ... They know there is almost never time left for you to share your research/insights as you are distracted 24/7 to dismantle & correct the endless errors of the Spin Doctors aka "Perception Managers", in my view all by design.

    What is worse? People repeating & spreading the spin doctors "talking points" as gospel ... beLIEving the lies & deceptions, the sold narrative, blindly trusting what MSM is spoon-fed them all their life OR the Spin Doctors themselves?

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