Extreme Covid measures in Canada... as Loony as ever.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Patient (here)

It is easy to say that almost the entire population of the country is behind this movement and fully supportive!!

I have also heard that truckers from the USA are also doing what they can to help support this!

Ya' gotta love it!!

I totally support the truckers' cross-Canada protest and wish them all well.

However, as I have said several times in other threads,
to me there is a difference between the moral fight in general against oppressive mandates versus the fight when they apply to you personally.

You can be sure that most of the doctors, nurses, other healthcare workers, pilots, business owners/workers, etc. who stage these big protests are motivated primarily because it affects them personally rather than any altrusitic reasons.

Simply look at the time when they organize their protests.
In this case the truckers are protesting just as a vaccine mandate took hold for them.

Why didn't they organize a protest two, four, six or eight months ago?

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.

Exactly. And they didn't protest two weeks ago, because the new mandate didn't exist yet, and the national supply chain wasn't in jeopardy.


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In other news the donations are over $4.5 million now, and GoFundMe has frozen the money, and are demanding a plan for the distribution of the funds. The organizer has a financial team helping her out with this.


Just a note: some foul language ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A88a2li2KsA

[Spiral]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
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$3.2 million dollars (that's a lot for a campaign that's only been up for a week or so) in support of the truckers convoy has now been raised. ...

EDIT: just checked again ... over $3.5 million ...

Just checked it again now, $4 million. It seems like while many Canadians just don't want to stand up for their rights and protest, they're willing to pay for other Canadians to do it for them. It went up $800,000 in less than 12 hours ...

All the money has been blocked, "they" wont let them access it. The protest organisers should have checked who owned the site first, because "they've" done it before.....

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/4m-in-fundrais...uver-1.5753677

[Billy]

May the force be with you all 🙏

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aqb66HijgT0

[Hermoor]

As we cheer on the truckers it's worth a moment to reflect on how Canada and all the rest of us got in to this mess in the first place.

Here's that piece of garbage Schwab in 2017 openly telling the whole world that the WEF actively works to penetrate governments around the world!

He states that more than half of Turdeau's cabinet is in the pocket of the WEF!!

[Spiral]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
As we cheer on the truckers it's worth a moment to reflect on how Canada and all the rest of us got in to this mess in the first place.

Here's that piece of garbage Schwab in 2017 openly telling the whole world that the WEF actively works to penetrate governments around the world!

He states that more than half of Turdeau's cabinet is in the pocket of the WEF!!

It's at least proof that the worlds spy agencies don't work like they try to tell us they work, or Schwab would have been sent on a one way trip into deep space with only a long haired white cat for company by now.

[DaveToo]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.

Exactly. And they didn't protest two weeks ago, because the new mandate didn't exist yet, and the national supply chain wasn't in jeopardy.

Exactly what I was saying.

Protesting because it hit them personally,
not to support any other group(s).

[ExomatrixTV]

source

[Hermoor]

Posted by Spiral (here)

Posted by Hermoor (here)
As we cheer on the truckers it's worth a moment to reflect on how Canada and all the rest of us got in to this mess in the first place.

Here's that piece of garbage Schwab in 2017 openly telling the whole world that the WEF actively works to penetrate governments around the world!

He states that more than half of Turdeau's cabinet is in the pocket of the WEF!!

It's at least proof that the worlds spy agencies don't work like they try to tell us they work, or Schwab would have been sent on a one way trip into deep space with only a long haired white cat for company by now.

It's iron clad proof a lot of things don't work the way we are told. The intelligence and security services. Governments. Elections. The military and police. The media. The courts. Sigh.

Schwab's comments are so damning and revealing. But he just keeps on getting waved through by all and sundry like it's perfectly normal and acceptable behaviour.

What a mess.

[Matthew]

I thought this summary brought the situation home

Posted by PeterSweden
In parts of Canada the unvaccinated are now BANNED from large stores like Walmarts.

If they want to go to the pharmacy inside they will need to be escorted there to make sure they don't buy anything else.

How is this real?

(source twitter @PeterSweden7)

[Philippe]

Posted by Jill (here)

Is it a kind of Modern Day Normandy Landing ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1d2bQVOCduY

[ExomatrixTV]

• Up To 10,000 Trucks Expected At Canada's Parliament: 'I've Never Seen Such A Huge Convoy'

Truckers from across Canada are on their way to parliament in Ottawa to protest President Trudeau 's vaccination requirement for truck drivers. Convoys have departed from various parts of the country and will arrive in the capital in a few days.

Truckers are faced with a choice: to vaccinate or not to work. In a short period of time an enormous movement has arisen, now also known as the Freedom Convoy, which is resisting the measure tooth and nail.

Along the way, truckers are met by thousands, if not tens of thousands of people. They have also set up a crowdfunding campaign, which raised a sloppy 4.5 million dollars in a short time. That shows how much support the protesters enjoy. The money is spent on fuel, food and shelter for the truckers.

• Overwhelming

On Sunday, a huge group of truckers left Vancouver. Groups are already underway from Ontario and eastern Canada. Once they arrive, they form a group called Canada Unity to demonstrate against the needlestick requirement.


They plan to stay until the measure is lifted. “We are going to park thousands of trucks on Parliament Hill until the vaccination requirement is lifted,” lead organizer Tamara Lich told The Epoch Times . “It's overwhelming. Canadians are coming together like never before.”

• Block roads

Lich said the protest group plans to block roads in Ottawa and near the US border. They receive help from American colleagues.


A truck driver told the Vancouver Sun that he expects 5,000 to 10,000 trucks in Ottawa. An estimated 10 to 15 percent – ​​12,000 to 16,000 – of Canadian truckers are not vaccinated.

Rebel News videographer Mocha Bezirgan said he has "never seen such a huge convoy."

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• Article (Dutch 🇳🇱 + Multi-Language Options). 🦜🦋🌳

[Hermoor]

Posted by Matthew (here)
I thought this summary brought the situation home

Posted by PeterSweden
In parts of Canada the unvaccinated are now BANNED from large stores like Walmarts.

If they want to go to the pharmacy inside they will need to be escorted there to make sure they don't buy anything else.

How is this real?

(source twitter @PeterSweden7)

Very true. It's s-o-o-o dystopian.

The people making these absurd rules and especially those enforcing them don't seem to have the slightest clue about the nature of the monster they are feeding. All they are ever going to get is a bigger, badder, hungrier and more dystopian monster.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.

Exactly. And they didn't protest two weeks ago, because the new mandate didn't exist yet, and the national supply chain wasn't in jeopardy.

Exactly what I was saying.

Protesting because it hit them personally,
not to support any other group(s).

Mandated supply chain issues affect all Canadians, not just 15% of all truckers on the road. Many of the truckers protesting are fully vaxxed, or otherwise not affected by the new mandate - and this didn't effect those ones at all personally.

Pretty sure even if they wanted to, they previously had jobs to attend to and didn't have national support, nor 4.5 million dollars to fund their protest, until the new mandates hit two weeks ago.

Had they done this before the new mandate, it would have been a complete disaster, as they would be the sole cause of supply chain problems, and the public would have quickly turned on them as their food supplies dwindled while Trudeau would take advantage of this divide and classify the truckers as a terrorist organization holding hostage the goods needed for Canadians to live. That would have been a completely stupid thing to have done.

Timing is important. Obviously.

[rgray222]

[DaveToo]

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Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.

Exactly. And they didn't protest two weeks ago, because the new mandate didn't exist yet, and the national supply chain wasn't in jeopardy.

Exactly what I was saying.

Protesting because it hit them personally,
not to support any other group(s).

Pretty sure even if they wanted to, they previously had jobs to attend to and didn't have national support, nor 4.5 million dollars to fund their protest, until the new mandates hit two weeks ago.

Of course they had jobs to attend to. That's exactly my point. Now that their jobs are on the line they have no other choice but to protest.

If they had joined the doctors/nurses months ago when they were protesting they would have had exactly the same clout as they have now and would have been deemed even greater heroes for their effort than now.

There's no reason they wouldn't have been able to get the $4.5 million then, just as they have been able to get it now.

Had they done this before the new mandate, it would have been a complete disaster, as they would be the sole cause of supply chain problems, and the public would have quickly turned on them as their food supplies dwindled while Trudeau would take advantage of this divide and classify the truckers as a terrorist organization holding hostage the goods needed for Canadians to live. That would have been a completely stupid thing to have done.

Timing is important. Obviously

Nonsense. We don't have any major supply chain issue currently in Canada. If they had done it earlier they would have caused the exact same supply chain problem as they will be doing now.

Who knows what the public would have done back then. Heck there are many members of the public now who are vehemently opposed to the current trucker protest.

It is pure fantasy to say the truckers will have 100% support from Canadians.

[Chester]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Patient (here)

It is easy to say that almost the entire population of the country is behind this movement and fully supportive!!

I have also heard that truckers from the USA are also doing what they can to help support this!

Ya' gotta love it!!

I totally support the truckers' cross-Canada protest and wish them all well.

However, as I have said several times in other threads,
to me there is a difference between the moral fight in general against oppressive mandates versus the fight when they apply to you personally.

You can be sure that most of the doctors, nurses, other healthcare workers, pilots, business owners/workers, etc. who stage these big protests are motivated primarily because it affects them personally rather than any altrusitic reasons.

Simply look at the time when they organize their protests.
In this case the truckers are protesting just as a vaccine mandate took hold for them.

Why didn't they organize a protest two, four, six or eight months ago?

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.
When did they protest when another group (other than truckers) were having a hard time?

I do not see the timing as an issue. The reason for the protest isn't diminished by the timing. What I don't understand is why you suggest there's an issue.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
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Of course they had jobs to attend to. That's exactly my point. Now that their jobs are on the line they have no other choice but to protest.

Well of course they have a choice to, or not to ... I just thought there was more to what you were saying than the complete obvious.

Posted by DaveToo (here)
If they had joined the doctors/nurses months ago when they were protesting they would have had exactly the same clout as they have now and would have been deemed even greater heroes for their effort than now.

No they wouldn't, because they would have been the sole cause of supply chain disruptions instead of Trudeau.

Posted by DaveToo (here)
There's no reason they wouldn't have been able to get the $4.5 million then, just as they have been able to get it now.

I'm pretty sure people who were upset with them disrupting the supply chain of their own volition might have tempered those donations ... a bit ... or a lot.

Posted by DeDukshyn
Had they done this before the new mandate, it would have been a complete disaster, as they would be the sole cause of supply chain problems, and the public would have quickly turned on them as their food supplies dwindled while Trudeau would take advantage of this divide and classify the truckers as a terrorist organization holding hostage the goods needed for Canadians to live. That would have been a completely stupid thing to have done.

Timing is important. Obviously

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Nonsense. We don't have any major supply chain issue currently in Canada.

Yeah not true ... its already starting: https://www.narcity.com/calgary/albe...every-canadian

Recent poll shows most Canadians are seeing missing supplies in their stores.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tran...date-1.5753008

If you live near Toronto, you have a port and a major entryway from the US and get goods and supplies before the rest of Canada's 10,000,000 kms² does.

Posted by DaveToo (here)
If they had done it earlier they would have caused the exact same supply chain problem as they will be doing now.

Except instead of Justin Trudeau being the cause of it, they solely would be. Clearly, it would cause different sentiment.

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Who knows what the public would have done back then.

Yeah, so let's stay focused on the present.

Posted by DaveToo (here)
It is pure fantasy to say the truckers will have 100% support from Canadians.

Uh yeah ... no one was trying to claim that. It's pretty obvious that out of 37 million voices not all of them will agree with something. Stating the obvious doesn't make for a strong argument.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Chester (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Patient (here)

It is easy to say that almost the entire population of the country is behind this movement and fully supportive!!

I have also heard that truckers from the USA are also doing what they can to help support this!

Ya' gotta love it!!

I totally support the truckers' cross-Canada protest and wish them all well.

However, as I have said several times in other threads,
to me there is a difference between the moral fight in general against oppressive mandates versus the fight when they apply to you personally.

You can be sure that most of the doctors, nurses, other healthcare workers, pilots, business owners/workers, etc. who stage these big protests are motivated primarily because it affects them personally rather than any altrusitic reasons.

Simply look at the time when they organize their protests.
In this case the truckers are protesting just as a vaccine mandate took hold for them.

Why didn't they organize a protest two, four, six or eight months ago?

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.
When did they protest when another group (other than truckers) were having a hard time?

... The reason for the protest isn't diminished by the timing. ...

The mandates have been slowly rolled out over the last 2 years. There's a point where it goes from (in the public's eye) tolerable, to intolerable. Because the roll out of various mandates happens over time, then the success of such as a protest is affected by what mandates have been rolled out, how many Canadians are affected by that roll out, and what the public's response is to each new mandate. So of course timing is important, in order to capitalize on public response.

If they started a trucker convoy to protest hand washing when they first started making hand washing and sanitizer policy, everyone would have laughed at them and no one would have joined them.

So because the reasons change or become more serious over a time, well, that's it they are impacted by time, so any action based on the "reasons" has to follow the same timeline. The result cannot happen before the cause.

[Chester]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Chester (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Patient (here)

It is easy to say that almost the entire population of the country is behind this movement and fully supportive!!

I have also heard that truckers from the USA are also doing what they can to help support this!

Ya' gotta love it!!

I totally support the truckers' cross-Canada protest and wish them all well.

However, as I have said several times in other threads,
to me there is a difference between the moral fight in general against oppressive mandates versus the fight when they apply to you personally.

You can be sure that most of the doctors, nurses, other healthcare workers, pilots, business owners/workers, etc. who stage these big protests are motivated primarily because it affects them personally rather than any altrusitic reasons.

Simply look at the time when they organize their protests.
In this case the truckers are protesting just as a vaccine mandate took hold for them.

Why didn't they organize a protest two, four, six or eight months ago?

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.
When did they protest when another group (other than truckers) were having a hard time?

... The reason for the protest isn't diminished by the timing. ...

The mandates have been slowly rolled out over the last 2 years. There's a point where it goes from (in the publics eye) tolerable, to intolerable. Because the roll out of various mandates happens over time, then the success of such as a protest is affected by what mandates have been rolled out, how many Canadians are affected by that roll out, and what the publics response is to each new mandate. So of course timing is important, in order to capitalize on public response.

If they started a trucker convoy to protest hand washing when they first started making hand washing and sanitizer policy, everyone would have laughed at them and no one would have joined them.

Yes, I get all this. What I didn't understand was DaveToo's issue with the timing... I don't see the protest diminished by the timing of "now" vs "why not before" which is what I think his argument suggested.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Chester (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Chester (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Patient (here)

It is easy to say that almost the entire population of the country is behind this movement and fully supportive!!

I have also heard that truckers from the USA are also doing what they can to help support this!

Ya' gotta love it!!

I totally support the truckers' cross-Canada protest and wish them all well.

However, as I have said several times in other threads,
to me there is a difference between the moral fight in general against oppressive mandates versus the fight when they apply to you personally.

You can be sure that most of the doctors, nurses, other healthcare workers, pilots, business owners/workers, etc. who stage these big protests are motivated primarily because it affects them personally rather than any altrusitic reasons.

Simply look at the time when they organize their protests.
In this case the truckers are protesting just as a vaccine mandate took hold for them.

Why didn't they organize a protest two, four, six or eight months ago?

Why didn't they protest 10 years ago?

They didn't protest 10 years ago because Covid wasn't an issue then.
When did they protest when another group (other than truckers) were having a hard time?

... The reason for the protest isn't diminished by the timing. ...

The mandates have been slowly rolled out over the last 2 years. There's a point where it goes from (in the publics eye) tolerable, to intolerable. Because the roll out of various mandates happens over time, then the success of such as a protest is affected by what mandates have been rolled out, how many Canadians are affected by that roll out, and what the publics response is to each new mandate. So of course timing is important, in order to capitalize on public response.

If they started a trucker convoy to protest hand washing when they first started making hand washing and sanitizer policy, everyone would have laughed at them and no one would have joined them.

Yes, I get all this. What I didn't understand was DaveToo's issue with the timing... I don't see the protest diminished by the timing of "now" vs "why not before" which is what I think his argument suggested.

Yeah I don't quite see it either, hence our subsequent discussion on the topic. It seems to me that now is the right time for this type of protest. Sure we could have been protesting harder, earlier, but Canadians are a very patient people, although we do have a breaking point It is very important to gain public trust in your cause, and there just wasn't enough people questioning things a year ago or so, for major protest to have a positive impact. When protesting for a cause, its easy to make enemies and easy for people to fall victim to government controlled media propaganda against your cause. Now that enough Canadians are approaching their breaking point, strong protest now makes more sense for maximum effectiveness.

A critical mass of "questioners" is required before public protest starts to have meaningful benefit.