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    Thanks for this thread Mark. Skimming through the posts I applaud your patience and the investnent of your time in your responses. And thank you to the other commenters who shared their perspectives with kindness and vulnerability.
    Big fan of you, sistersoul, thank you for contributing to the conversation.

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    To me discussion with the goal to increase understanding of that which we term 'other' (whatever it may be for us) is they key to moving forward and rising above the oppression that keeps the few dominating the human collective.
    Yes. I find that my own, personal stance is kind of Libertarian according to some test I took the other day, so me, personally, I'm not necessarily one whom could be considered to be a Leftist BLM or Antifa scion. But I am university trained at the PhD level and so understand the philosophy and education which undergirds much of what the Left believes and is putting into practice. Theory never translates into reality, all of our experiments with economic and social philosophies have proven that to be so. And yet, we find ourselves still beholden to them, calling each other capitalists and communists, when neither of those systems, as practiced and theorized, works to the benefit of the people as a whole. They continue to support ages old structures of human civilization and stratification, in a time when we require something new to deal with the issues that are facing us as a planet.

    After having spent time in the political system at the local level and seeing how difficult it is to make change and how the system responds like an immune system to reject the foreign bodies trying to make the change, I don't know if it can be done outside of traumatic and destructive planetary shift resulting in displacement, massive loss of life and movement of entire populations from tropical regions to the north and south of the equatorial regions.

    Those few - of the controller system cabals - understand these problems and have mapped out a way into the near future, it seems, that allows them to keep us off balance and at each other's throats as what seems to be remorseless, machiavellian plans make their way from theory into reality, manifesting all around us as we continue to just talk about it for the most part.

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    Quote We are all doing our best, following what appears to make the most sense based on our experiences, our nature, as well as our beliefs about, and our understanding of reality.

    Each of us has a unique perspective with blindspots that limit our scope of vision. We've all been wrong about things. We've all made mistakes. Surely we can see that there is room for error in our perspective.

    We have been funneled into opposing echo chambers. In our echo chambers we are fed one side of the picture and told that the other side are misinformed, confused, stupid, brainwashed. Often our kindness drops away as we look beyond our echo chamber. Supported by those who think like us we laugh,  poke fun at, demean, insult, ridicule, or put down those in the opposing camps.

    Each one convinced of its righteousness and desparing at the absurdity and stupidity of the other.

    But I ask you to consider that the other side isn't wrong ... they are holding pieces of the truth. Truth mixed with untruths. We all are.

    When we can accept that we don't know what we don't know... and can open to examining other perspectives, without feeling that our own is threatened ...  moving from a place of defence or attack to place of curiosity ... we engage in a process that holds the potential to expand toward wholeness, rather than shoring up the manufactured division.
    Love this. Real talk. I don't know that we have the time to collectively make a difference. But if the controllers plans are to be foiled, that is what it will require. It might take that trauma I mentioned above to motivate the Remnant that remains as trauma does what it does, shocks and awes, leaves speechless and people in action since that doing, then, will be all that will be left to do.

    Finding the truths that each side shares might be a good place to make the difference. But, as I have stated earlier in this thread, I don't think that the group of organizations and the people in them that some call the Alt-Left IS REALLY the Alt-Left. I think groups like BLM and Antifa and others of that ilk are more truly called Alt-Mainstream(MS).

    The real Alt-Left looks more like some of us, here. This said understanding the nigh uselessness of the dichotomization, but working within the parameters as given. We should just be the AltCom, but that ship has sailed in the current political clime.
    I must say, at times when I observe from a space of objectivity I find it fascinating and amazing how effectively they have succeeded in dividing us. From a strategic perspective pitting safety vs freedom was a brilliant move.

    Of course when I drop into my heart and see the effects of this division, the depth of the divide I want to cry.

    So many take prepackaged versions of the alternative narratives,
    (Mainstream alternatives, is a good name) rather than bothering to weave through all narratives to come up with a more balanced perspective.

    But I also see (yes I am an eternal optimist ) the current planetary conditions pushing people to go deeper within. It is not comfortable and right now ... there is still a lot of resistance, resulting in projection and external drama. But I trust that this is a process that is ultimately leading us to realness....and in realness our interconnectedness is an inevitable truth.

    How long this process will take to unfold is anyone's guess. Looking out into external reality it appears we have a very long way to go ... but the path before us is unknown.... and infinite potential lies within waters of mystery.

    Thank you for your reply soul brother

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    Thanks for all the posts. I have read most of them, but find I am mentally drained with deconstructing terms and definitions.
    I am not so interested in identities these days.
    I am more interested in letting go of fixed beliefs and labels.
    I guess I'm inconsistent:
    I can be Left and Right
    I can be Alt and sometimes Mainstream
    Yep, many shades

    The meaning of words change over time.
    Party politics change, Social attitudes change, my attitudes change as I age...
    Operative word; change

    Identities keep us separated, safe, self-righteous, secure.
    In reality we are beholden to greater mysteries.
    At the heart of mystical teachings is interconnection.
    Love
    Compassion
    I like to focus here of late. This gives me inner peace which I sorely need.

    I was pondering the fusion of the words Right and Left

    Rift

    That pretty much sums it up

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Words are important because they're designed to reflect reality. When you change the words *and* the reality at the same time, all while upending our foundational axioms(like basic biology), it's just an invitation to chaos. My 2 cents, respectfully.
    linguistic drift is the death of accuracy and efficiency.
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Words are important because they're designed to reflect reality. When you change the words *and* the reality at the same time, all while upending our foundational axioms(like basic biology), it's just an invitation to chaos. My 2 cents, respectfully.
    linguistic drift is the death of accuracy and efficiency.


    Yes, well said. And so is introducing exogenous variables to industry, sport, education, etc. Any time you are required to meet a quota - whether for racial or gender reasons or whatever - you lessen the pool from which you draw from and our collective productivity suffers. So do our bodies of knowledge. It's not progressive, it's regressive. It sets civilization back significantly.

    So when you combine this with the linguistic drift, that's a pretty potent 1,2 punch. Accuracy, efficiency, and productivity declines rapidly..across many dimensions. And if I may put my conspiratorial tinfoil hat on a moment here, I wonder very seriously if it's all being done purposely. The critical theorists make no secret of their hatred for western civilization. They wanna destroy it (the euphemism used in the mainstream is "reimagine" i.e. lets "reimagine" the police force, or lets "reimagine" education). This would be an effective way to start doing that
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