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    I have what may be a rhetorical question:

    If the human race was being targeted for genocide: all the while being shaken in the jar of ants; beamed with EMFs that scatter the thinking process; poisoned with chelators stealing all the minerals from the body; poisoned with chemicals in the air, water, dirt, clothing, building materials; told that one has no right to protest and threatened with domestic terror designation for any dissent AND subjected to gaslighting 24/7/365.....

    Which alt (R or L) would stand up and fight back?
    Or would ALL stand together or NEITHER
    Or would humans even BE ABLE to know this was happening and just succumb?
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • maybe we can sum it up (simplify) like this:
    The "Alt-Left" has SOME far-left extremists but overall the vast majority are not like that ... the "Alt-Right" has SOME far-right extremists but overall the vast majority are not like that.
    I think this is the truth and for those who look deeper than what we see generally in the MSM, it is a commonly accepted truism. There is a scale to every kind of belief system, isn't there...some who are the die-hard, true believers, and others not so much so. It is often those at the furthest extremes who pull others who don't believe so much as they do into the repercussions of extremist actions. What happened at the US Capitol, for instance, aside from any proof that there may have been Antifa there, folks of all kinds of more moderate beliefs were lumped in with those who were attacking the capitol police and entering into the building itself, defecating, stealing and defacing along the way.

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    Now my mass psychology analyses: People can genuine be fearful being accused to be "associated" with extremists ... this can happen on both sides (Alt-Left & Alt-Right) ... The big difference in both situations is: how the MASS BRAINWASHING MEDIA plays a major role or not.
    I agree. We have to admit though that the MASS BRAINWASHING MEDIA effect that we are currently seeing is a relatively new occurrence. Media has shifted massively and pointedly over the last 40 years to be more inclusive of diversity, while also taking on more globalist themes.

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    If you can proof MSM are the ones who are guilty to demonize ALL people in the Alt-Right with daily excessive (stupid) generalizations & misrepresentations on purpose ... but NOT with Alt-Left using similar tactics & mind games & framing & controlling the narrative ... Sooooo many left-leaning people assume/believe that all Big Tech & all Mainstream Media does "not influence" them meanwhile wanting to know what "the masses" think AFTER being brainwashed 24/7 (mass conditioning) ... aka collectivism & mob-rule psychology.
    I think a lot of people are into the mass media framework. I think it is often beyond political stripes, as well. I know folks on the Left and the Right who are addicted to media, who watch the news opinion channels for all of their news and who engage each other based upon what they're told on those channels. For those who think independently, it is a given that all information that enters into our awareness has some influence. For those who are sleeping though, that is generally not the case, as we know well. They buy the Nikes, wear the brand names, use the perfumes, want to live like the folks they see on television and in the movies.

    That is the way it has been since the dawn of the media era. You want to know what the first movie blockbuster was? Birth of a Nation. It set the tone for all blockbusters since that time. The nation has changed a bit since then, but not in some ways. What happened here in the United States has a global component to it as well, as American media spans the globe and influences other, international norms as well.




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    Imagine if it was in reverse ... if the mass-brainwashing by MSM on an unprecedented scale was done to protect the Alt-Right but viciously demonize the Alt-Left (as we now have with Alt-Right) somehow most people do NOT want to see it what is happening every day!
    Many would argue effectively that this has been the historical orientation of the MSM up until recently.

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    • How far can you go with pushing the "guilty by association" mind games?
    Any generalization for or against is not doing any justice to the full spectrum of the (unfiltered) truth! ... And MSM networks has shown over and over they do not give a damn.
    Well, the purpose of this thread is really to talk about the AltCom. Because I mentioned race in the opening comment, I've been responding to comments about race since. I hope we can move beyond that and talk about us specifically, about this community and others like it, and talk about what the Alt-Right is, who is encompassed by it, what is a potential Alt-Left, who is encompassed by that.

    Since the term Alt-Right is preexisting and since the term Alt-Left is ill-defined, I figure we have some space to discuss it and determine for ourselves who and what we are beyond the dichotomy.

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • When the Alt-Left is accused to be influenced by far-left extremists (like AntiFa & some BLM leaders) you can be assured that almost all Mainstream Media like: CNN, MSNBC, Politico, Vice, CBS, ABC, Washington Post, New York Times etc. etc. will not repeat that accusation (or insinuation) over and over and over and over and over again!
    Why do you think that all of these venues do this? The Globalist Agenda? Anti-life Agenda?

    What is their point in demonizing? I have seen Antifa excoriated on Left-leaning channels when they have destroyed property. I have seen black communities decrying the presence of Left-leaning "outsiders" who come into their communities during times of collective trauma to make political points. These are all real things that have happened and will continue to happen because people are political and media is the effective way to reach the most people. It appears that happens on the Right as well, John.

    But can we move beyond that here? Amongst ourselves? I, for one, find the definition of the Alt-Left to be quite inadequate and also straight up wrong and not inclusive of many, many belief systems and understandings outside of Antifa and the organization, BLM.

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    So if you get labeled/framed "Alt Right" (knowing you are not) read the above again and tell me how that makes you feel? ... knowing how the mass-media works 24/7.
    It sucks to be demonized, John. I feel that pain and know it.

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    • Is Coca Cola backing down? Coke ‘pauses’ race initiatives after big BOYCOTT:
    Well, good. Sounds like some of their practices were counterproductive. Telling people to be 'less white' is offensive. They should stick to education only rather than commenting on what they perceive to be people's personal life expression. Folks have to choose for themselves who they are.

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    I have what may be a rhetorical question:

    If the human race was being targeted for genocide: all the while being shaken in the jar of ants; beamed with EMFs that scatter the thinking process; poisoned with chelators stealing all the minerals from the body; poisoned with chemicals in the air, water, dirt, clothing, building materials; told that one has no right to protest and threatened with domestic terror designation for any dissent AND subjected to gaslighting 24/7/365.....

    Which alt (R or L) would stand up and fight back?
    Or would ALL stand together or NEITHER

    ALL would stand up together.

    I firmly believe this.

    I just wanted to create the space here and now in PA to kind of get to that point, which is the underlying reality.

    I remember being in the Army here in the United States, back when I was 19 in 1987. I went to Basic Training on Tank Hill at Fort Jackson in South Carolina. It was a storied location and we, as new soldiers, were proud of it. It just so happened that my platoon was divided, kind of by race, kind of not. I was Assistant Platoon Guide and held some authority, so I was in charge of the 1st Floor. All of the black boys and some white boys were on my floor. The second floor, on the other hand, was all country white boys, the leader of whom was another kid my age who would have been my close friend, if the divide of race hadn't opened up at some point. Mind you, it was not open warfare or hate or anything like that, it was just men hanging out with others like them or who they felt the most comfortable with. We did what we had to do, trained together, bled together, wept together and, on occasion, confronted each other in smaller units.

    But when it came down to working together as a platoon that was never in question. And it works out that way as well when it comes to battle, for the most part, unless the enmities are too deeply entrenched and personal.

    What is the Alt-Left, Delight? Do you accept the definition I've used in this thread, and that seems inclusive of BLM and Antifa?

    I don't know if I do, because I don't know if those who are in those movements know ANYTHING about a lot of the things that we agree upon as a baseline here in the AltCom. I don't think BLM or Antifa are Alternative at all, really.

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    Or would humans even BE ABLE to know this was happening and just succumb?
    This is the most fearsome possibility. It may be what is happening right now. And if it is, then we are going out ignorant and still fighting amongst ourselves while the Cabals laugh their way to their DUMBs and Breakaway Civilization bases off-planet.

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    LOL oh my goodness, John. I'm pretty consistent in who I am and have been over time. Those who've known me all these years on PA, I'm still that same woo woo spiritual dude. When I don't have to talk about racial issues, I'm all about that spiritual, UAP, mysterious human history and origin story, this video was all about that.

    Things have gotten so serious and grounded into the material in recent years, I've found myself grounding down from that as well, especially while I was serving politically on council in my city. I literally closed myself off from that multidimensional openness, but that is done now, thank goodness. It was all a good experience and balancing.

    That brought a smile to my face. Thanks, man!

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    The violence of the left has no justification. Nor does the silencing of the right via gaslighting tactics and the illegitimate 'me too' movement. Nor does stealing the election. The left is full of communists, anarchists, and paid provocateurs of hate and violence. There is no place for normal peace-loving citizens to feel satisfied with the left. And that is why the left will find their power dwindle in the coming mid-terms and then again in 2024.

    The whole story is a ruse. The entire movement has been high jacked by people who hate The USA and the freedom it represents. Give them free reign and see how fast they take down the entire western world, for which current events provide plenty of evidence.

    If we continue down this road we will actually make systemic racism a truism, which of course it is not right now. But the racism will be against whites. If we continue down this road the whites will be the new blacks. I guess that's fair. But don't make it sound like that is normal or that is the will of the people or that whites deserve it.

    The majority is being targeted by the minority. If we let this play out, in the end there will only be yellow people left because they constitute 25% of the global population. There is the logic pared down to its most basic. The CCP know it and that is why they are supporting this crazy movement. In the end this leads to a world controlled and run by the Chinese - remember they are one race and have no serious minority issues to deal with.

    Unfortunately it is true, the ALTRIGHT is not the whole of the alt community. It has been infiltrated by the 'woke' crowd. Other than that, most of the altright were altleft until it was taken over by evil players not in line with basic left-leaning values. The altleft squeezed out the moderates who found their only choice was to join the moderate altright. This will become patently obvious when the elections roll around again...(it was already voiced in the 2020 elections when Trump won by a landslide but the evil altleft stole the election by fraud, which will also be outed in the coming months).
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    What is the Alt-Left, Delight? Do you accept the definition I've used in this thread, and that seems inclusive of BLM and Antifa?
    People who "make the dictionaries" have changed the definitions. Others who speak to influence LIE so much now. Words are twisted so readily that I am not sure what anything means to others when communicating with them. Like ANTIFA and BLM, everything is manipulated to cause an audience to believe a spin. I don't watch TV but it happens on the internet too and we know how channels operate the spin.

    To use an example, my particular issue is "Vaccine". People have been bold faced LYING all along about vaccine ingredients, effectiveness and danger. Then "the person on the street" is deliberately brain washed to believe the lies. Then if a danger becomes a real injury, the person on the street is again LIED to without shame... "no relationship" and gas lighted about WHY the person is now ill and damaged.

    A couple of years ago I heard a vaccine specialist/researcher Peter Hotez on the Joe Rogan show. He was asked what is in a vaccine. Hotez said "a little bit of antigen and saline". WHAT!!!!!! This is what they use to brain wash us. OF COURSE I would not mind a shot like that. However, there is WAY MORE in the vaccine.

    I have heard another vaccine bully Richard Pan MD who is a Dem in California Assembly talk about how "water" is the most dangerous substance in a vaccine (because one COULD drown in water). These are blatant LIES. Lies Drilled into people's minds and NO WONDER people think antivaxxers are crazy and wrong.

    IMO the rhetoric on the Alt Left concerns the idea that we all must do some certain things without any questions BECAUSE there is a known standard of what is GOOD. Progress is GOOD when it removes CO2. The forefathers were BAD and racist and misogynist.

    People are indoctrinated... we know that. Once hypnotized by blatant lies DELIVERED DELIBERATELY TO CONFUSE, People cannot reason out "what progress means" for us in practice. Again, short term sales don't care about long term consequences.

    and then set up by the belief that we all must conform for the GOOD and then become militant regulators of others based on LIES and a false view of what is true. There you get the vaccinazis.

    Oh and IMO people do tend to get trapped into "if a little is good, MORE is better" so all change comes with a potential to become TOO MUCH. This is of course manipulated IMO to support commodification and sales . That is why people cling to their traditional and "everything was so much better in the past".

    IMO the rhetoric on the Alt Right is about how we must honor the Conservative Values instilled by the GOOD forefathers. Self sufficiency and god fear and apple pie. The LIE is that our Forefathers were not GOOD. Some were good and some evil. the system was rigged all along to support the wealth holders. It was and is still true that "there is a club".

    There has been so much evil done and damage and lack of REAL conservation that it is sickening. Now there is something so seeming in my face URGENT. WE need each other as brothers and sisters who do love our children and the planet.

    I just wish we could all realize we have ALL been EQUALLY betrayed.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Unfortunately it is true, the ALTRIGHT is not the whole of the alt community. It has been infiltrated by the 'woke' crowd. Other than that, most of the altright were altleft until it was taken over by evil players not in line with basic left-leaning values. The altleft squeezed out the moderates who found their only choice was to join the moderate altright. This will become patently obvious when the elections roll around again...(it was already voiced in the 2020 elections when Trump won by a landslide but the evil altleft stole the election by fraud, which will also be outed in the coming months).
    I agree with everything you said there Ernie as well as the quote. I was probably considered to be left leaning for much of my life by people I know. I fear some of them now (including my family), probably think I am some sort of insane nazi conspiracy lunatic.

    But that's the plan. And the left is the tool of choice to slip in totalitarianism this time. They would use the right if it still worked, but the left is obviously the best choice these days. Very underhand, but blindingly obvious giving the amount of wallpapering over the cracks needed by the msm.

    There is no racism to see here (and on this site imo). And labelling is obviously just another practical tool useful to be used against us. I'm just amazed it's not obvious to everyone.

    Racism doesn't deserve any attention here imo. It's not the problem and serves the agenda.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    The violence of the left has no justification. Nor does the silencing of the right via gaslighting tactics and the illegitimate 'me too' movement. Nor does stealing the election. The left is full of communists, anarchists, and paid provocateurs of hate and violence. There is no place for normal peace-loving citizens to feel satisfied with the left. And that is why the left will find their power dwindle in the coming mid-terms and then again in 2024.

    The whole story is a ruse. The entire movement has been high jacked by people who hate The USA and the freedom it represents. Give them free reign and see how fast they take down the entire western world, for which current events provide plenty of evidence.
    You speak for them as if you know all of them.

    There are variations and shades on that scale just as there are on the Right. Only intolerance sees Absolutes all around.

    Hopefully we are not so single-minded and focused upon painting everyone with the same brush here. I realize that has to be stated, though, which is a bit sad, since there has been a lot of vitriol expressed in a couple of threads I've been a part of recently.

    Those people who hate the USA and the freedom it represents are on the Right too.

    They don't want everybody who lives here to have those freedoms and some of them have never wanted people who don't look like them to have it.

    But this thread is NOT ABOUT THAT and I'm getting tired of responding to it.

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    If we continue down this road we will actually make systemic racism a truism, which of course it is not right now.
    That's a lie and you should know better. How woud your experience or education ever justify that kind of response.

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    But the racism will be against whites. If we continue down this road the whites will be the new blacks. I guess that's fair. But don't make it sound like that is normal or that is the will of the people or that whites deserve it.
    Wth are you talking about.

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Unfortunately it is true, the ALTRIGHT is not the whole of the alt community. It has been infiltrated by the 'woke' crowd. Other than that, most of the altright were altleft until it was taken over by evil players not in line with basic left-leaning values. The altleft squeezed out the moderates who found their only choice was to join the moderate altright. This will become patently obvious when the elections roll around again...(it was already voiced in the 2020 elections when Trump won by a landslide but the evil altleft stole the election by fraud, which will also be outed in the coming months).
    The AltRight has been infiltrated and taken over huh. Well I guess that absolves everybody of all responsibility.

    You've brought a whole 'notha perspective to it. A wild one, with very little proof.

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    People who "make the dictionaries" have changed the definitions. Others who speak to influence LIE so much now. Words are twisted so readily that I am not sure what anything means to others when communicating with them.
    Thank you for this. Yes, that is what Mike was bringing up to and we agreed on that, it's hard to know what people understand about anything these days. Everything is so malleable and it is just a sign of the times. I think there is probably a deeper, cognitive, collective unconscious if not spiritual thing going on with that, also.


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    IMO the rhetoric on the Alt Left concerns the idea that we all must do some certain things without any questions BECAUSE there is a known standard of what is GOOD. Progress is GOOD when it removes CO2. The forefathers were BAD and racist and misogynist.

    People are indoctrinated... we know that. Once hypnotized by blatant lies DELIVERED DELIBERATELY TO CONFUSE, People cannot reason out "what progress means" for us in practice. Again, short term sales don't care about long term consequences.

    and then set up by the belief that we all must conform for the GOOD and then become militant regulators of others based on LIES and a false view of what is true. There you get the vaccinazis.

    Oh and IMO people do tend to get trapped into "if a little is good, MORE is better" so all change comes with a potential to become TOO MUCH. This is of course manipulated IMO to support commodification and sales . That is why people cling to their traditional and "everything was so much better in the past".
    I can get with all of that. There has often, historically, been a penchant to do too little, and sometimes to do too much. I guess that always depends upon your position on the societal scale.

    In this thread, for instance, so much is being stated in Absolutes, coming from the perspectives of those stating it. The oppositional perspective is therefore absolutely wrong because it is not the perspective of those speaking and all who share the same perspective because they come from the same sub-culture which they want to remain dominant.

    So we in the AltCom who are supposed to be looking for a way to create a new world, find ourselves, many of us now, stuck trying to recreate an old world, or keep the world of our youths the same, or at least, under our control. So many want the world to become something it was when that is impossible.

    Fear does that to people.

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    IMO the rhetoric on the Alt Right is about how we must honor the Conservative Values instilled by the GOOD forefathers. Self sufficiency and god fear and apple pie. The LIE is that our Forefathers were not GOOD. Some were good and some evil. the system was rigged all along to support the wealth holders. It was and is still true that "there is a club".

    There has been so much evil done and damage and lack of REAL conservation that it is sickening. Now there is something so seeming in my face URGENT. WE need each other as brothers and sisters who do love our children and the planet.

    I just wish we could all realize we have ALL been EQUALLY betrayed.

    Yes. Then we would equally feel the pain and the need for a shift which is here whether people like it or not. Railing about it changes nothing. Offers no solution. Does nothing except keep the pain at the forefront, the fear blocking every other potential way of seeing this space in time.

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    And the left is the tool of choice to slip in totalitarianism this time. They would use the right if it still worked, but the left is obviously the best choice these days. Very underhand, but blindingly obvious giving the amount of wallpapering over the cracks needed by the msm.

    There is no racism to see here (and on this site imo). And labelling is obviously just another practical tool useful to be used against us. I'm just amazed it's not obvious to everyone.

    Racism doesn't deserve any attention here imo. It's not the problem and serves the agenda.
    Our Forum Leader, Bill, created an entire thread about the topic.

    He thought it was important.

    In regards to your statement about the Left being the "tool of choice", I'd agree. It is because it has hijacked a very real, higher dimensional karmic reckoning and is using that as a tool to fool people.

    Far too many people now believe that these Globalist Corporations and other interests that are jumping on the equity bandwagon have their best interests in mind and at heart and, in a sense, there is more of a realization on the part of these bodies that some form of recompense has to happen to make life better for more of the world's people. But at the same time, it is a panacea to keep people sleeping and hoping while they complete the lockdown and genocidal plans.
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    Racism doesn't deserve any attention here imo. It's not the problem and serves the agenda.
    definitely a red herring issue (same as this "alt right" nonsense,, that doesn't even exist really); though one that very cleverly divides populations and hands out victim cards to anyone that wants to grab one.
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    There you are, Target. It's been a while, hope you are well.

    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    definitely a red herring issue (same as this "alt right" nonsense,, that doesn't even exist really); though one that very cleverly divides populations and hands out victim cards to anyone that wants to grab one.
    Does anything exist, if you want to go there? Bill brought up dichotomies and illusory realities in the 2nd post in this thread. For the sake of discussion of the cultural, social, economic and political issues we find ourselves embroiled in ceaselessly and perennially since the inception of this nation, do any of them rise to the level of being discussed, in your opinion? Or has it all been a waste of energy and distracting from the controller factions that have been around for a long time and helped to bring this nation into existence?

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    Or has it all been a waste of energy and distracting from the controller factions that have been around for a long time and helped to bring this nation into existence?
    unfortunately this seems more and more likely.
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    Quote Posted by Mark/Rahkyt (here)
    Or has it all been a waste of energy and distracting from the controller factions that have been around for a long time and helped to bring this nation into existence?
    unfortunately this seems more and more likely.
    As a baseline, I absolutely agree. Let me add here what I wrote in the thread above, belatedly:

    Quote Far too many people now believe that these Globalist Corporations and other interests that are jumping on the equity bandwagon have their best interests in mind and at heart and, in a sense, there is more of a realization on the part of these bodies that some form of recompense has to happen to make life better for more of the world's people. But at the same time, it is a panacea to keep people sleeping and hoping while they complete the lockdown and genocidal plans.
    To the extent that it is all a red herring, yes, I would have to agree.

    Probably about 90% of people in the world can get along with others and don't necessarily have innate superiority complexes unless they are psychopaths, who studies have shown embody not just racism but all forms of superior-isms.

    Most people are not that, studies seem to show they are generally less than 10% of the population. And they just think they are better than everybody naturally. But since they have an outsized effect on cultures and leadership, the world is as it is.

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    Thanks for this thread Mark. Skimming through the posts I applaud your patience and the investnent of your time in your responses. And thank you to the other commenters who shared their perspectives with kindness and vulnerability.

    To me discussion with the goal to increase understanding of that which we term 'other' (whatever it may be for us) is they key to moving forward and rising above the oppression that keeps the few dominating the human collective.

    I've been working on something that aligns with this thread (not finished). I tried to write it from a space of 'side' neutrality.

    Quote We are all doing our best, following what appears to make the most sense based on our experiences, our nature, as well as our beliefs about, and our understanding of reality.

    Each of us has a unique perspective with blindspots that limit our scope of vision. We've all been wrong about things. We've all made mistakes. Surely we can see that there is room for error in our perspective.

    We have been funneled into opposing echo chambers. In our echo chambers we are fed one side of the picture and told that the other side are misinformed, confused, stupid, brainwashed. Often our kindness drops away as we look beyond our echo chamber. Supported by those who think like us we laugh,  poke fun at, demean, insult, ridicule, or put down those in the opposing camps.

    Each one convinced of its righteousness and desparing at the absurdity and stupidity of the other.

    But I ask you to consider that the other side isn't wrong ... they are holding pieces of the truth. Truth mixed with untruths. We all are.

    When we can accept that we don't know what we don't know... and can open to examining other perspectives, without feeling that our own is threatened ...  moving from a place of defence or attack to place of curiosity ... we engage in a process that holds the potential to expand toward wholeness, rather than shoring up the manufactured division.

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    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    Thanks for this thread Mark. Skimming through the posts I applaud your patience and the investnent of your time in your responses. And thank you to the other commenters who shared their perspectives with kindness and vulnerability.
    Big fan of you, sistersoul, thank you for contributing to the conversation.

    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    To me discussion with the goal to increase understanding of that which we term 'other' (whatever it may be for us) is they key to moving forward and rising above the oppression that keeps the few dominating the human collective.
    Yes. I find that my own, personal stance is kind of Libertarian according to some test I took the other day, so me, personally, I'm not necessarily one whom could be considered to be a Leftist BLM or Antifa scion. But I am university trained at the PhD level and so understand the philosophy and education which undergirds much of what the Left believes and is putting into practice. Theory never translates into reality, all of our experiments with economic and social philosophies have proven that to be so. And yet, we find ourselves still beholden to them, calling each other capitalists and communists, when neither of those systems, as practiced and theorized, works to the benefit of the people as a whole. They continue to support ages old structures of human civilization and stratification, in a time when we require something new to deal with the issues that are facing us as a planet.

    After having spent time in the political system at the local level and seeing how difficult it is to make change and how the system responds like an immune system to reject the foreign bodies trying to make the change, I don't know if it can be done outside of traumatic and destructive planetary shift resulting in displacement, massive loss of life and movement of entire populations from tropical regions to the north and south of the equatorial regions.

    Those few - of the controller system cabals - understand these problems and have mapped out a way into the near future, it seems, that allows them to keep us off balance and at each other's throats as what seems to be remorseless, machiavellian plans make their way from theory into reality, manifesting all around us as we continue to just talk about it for the most part.

    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    Quote We are all doing our best, following what appears to make the most sense based on our experiences, our nature, as well as our beliefs about, and our understanding of reality.

    Each of us has a unique perspective with blindspots that limit our scope of vision. We've all been wrong about things. We've all made mistakes. Surely we can see that there is room for error in our perspective.

    We have been funneled into opposing echo chambers. In our echo chambers we are fed one side of the picture and told that the other side are misinformed, confused, stupid, brainwashed. Often our kindness drops away as we look beyond our echo chamber. Supported by those who think like us we laugh,  poke fun at, demean, insult, ridicule, or put down those in the opposing camps.

    Each one convinced of its righteousness and desparing at the absurdity and stupidity of the other.

    But I ask you to consider that the other side isn't wrong ... they are holding pieces of the truth. Truth mixed with untruths. We all are.

    When we can accept that we don't know what we don't know... and can open to examining other perspectives, without feeling that our own is threatened ...  moving from a place of defence or attack to place of curiosity ... we engage in a process that holds the potential to expand toward wholeness, rather than shoring up the manufactured division.
    Love this. Real talk. I don't know that we have the time to collectively make a difference. But if the controllers plans are to be foiled, that is what it will require. It might take that trauma I mentioned above to motivate the Remnant that remains as trauma does what it does, shocks and awes, leaves speechless and people in action since that doing, then, will be all that will be left to do.

    Finding the truths that each side shares might be a good place to make the difference. But, as I have stated earlier in this thread, I don't think that the group of organizations and the people in them that some call the Alt-Left IS REALLY the Alt-Left. I think groups like BLM and Antifa and others of that ilk are more truly called Alt-Mainstream(MS).

    The real Alt-Left looks more like some of us, here. This said understanding the nigh uselessness of the dichotomization, but working within the parameters as given. We should just be the AltCom, but that ship has sailed in the current political clime.
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    Labels.

    Some people (not so many or none here, I hope) become the labels they apply to themselves all the time. Then it's already too late.

    Then the label chooses you instead of you choosing your labels.

    So instead of saying sth like 'my view about this like that and this is why I am Alt-XXX' many people in their mind subconsciously already do it like this:

    'I am Alt-XXX, so what should be my view on this?'

    See what I mean?

    This is dangerous and very far away from what a free(thinking) spirit should be.

    Drop the labels.

    Anything that comes behind 'I AM ...' is already a limitation. ANYthing. So just stick to I AM. Just be.

    Yes there are logical and natural labels in language we CAN apply due to our respective lifes or lifetime situations.

    I am a human so call me human. I am from Germany so call me German, or from Europe so call me European. From Gaia so call me an Earthling. I earn money with making bread so call me a baker. I have a child so call me a father. Fine. (Just examples, I'm not a father nor a baker btw.)

    But even these 'roles' are temporary in our lives as eternal spirits (yes, even the "human" one). Let us not forget this while we play our part in this transient multi-player society game down here.

    (Sorry for this rather spiritu-philosophical interlude. Just felt that way. ).
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    (Sorry for this rather spiritu-philosophical interlude. Just felt that way. ).
    No. Don't be sorry, it is needed in this kind of thread.

    Thanks for taking the time to add what is really real and of paramount importance to us all, beneath all of these other base and simplistic facades. Blessings.

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    Hi Mark, RE zero sum game: (I like "RE" too. It prevents me from having to go thru the business of quoting posts). The postmodern neo-marxists include, very directly, in their literature, their belief that the world is a zero sum game. So does the anti-racism and critical race theory literature. They just flat out say it! I promise I'm not exaggerating, implying, or suggesting. It's a core element of what I'd call their religion.

    I'm not exactly sure why you'd call capitalism a zero sum game. Could you please elaborate a little? Thx. In it's simplest form, goods are exchanged for money and both sides benefit. Right?

    RE Alt right: I think that wiki definition is sufficient. That covers quite alot! But that's basically how I've always thought of the alt right.

    As far as the broadening of definitions (Your phrase, not mine. I think you're being a little kind here. To me these word manipulations feel aggressively Orwellian), it's not the only thing contributing to this confusion and blurring of meaning. We're also facing what I feel is a pretty worrisome subjectivist turn here in this country. We're bombarded with phrases like my truth, your truth, lived experience, I identify as.. and so forth. Everything but the truth. It's tremendously confusing as the lines between the real and the abstract get blurred. This is especially troublesome as it applies to trans issues.

    Words are important because they're designed to reflect reality. When you change the words *and* the reality at the same time, all while upending our foundational axioms(like basic biology), it's just an invitation to chaos. My 2 cents, respectfully.
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