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    Hypothetical situation. Ten stakeholders put together the money to buy a place.
    What's the chance we all manage to get along without schisms and fractures?

    The way I see it it would be like living in an apartment block, you know your neighbours, you say hallo, occasionally you have a barbecue together or similar. Everyone needs their own boundaries and no-one is obliged to take part in any social gatherings.

    On the plus side, with ten stakeholders from Project Avalon there is an awful lot of common agreement, but sure you can pick a fight if you focus on differing opinions.

    Here is a couple of examples.

    Orchardton Castle

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/107905673#/

















    Bargany House, Ayrshire

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/102572771#/












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    Baggsy the turret room!

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    Just £1.5m

    Quote Carbisdale Castle was built between 1905 and 1917 for Mary Caroline, Duchess of Sutherland, the second wife of George Sutherland-Leveson-Gower, 3rd Duke of Sutherland, whom she married in 1889. She is better known as “Duchess Blair” because of her first marriage to Captain Arthur Kindersely Blair of the 71st Highland Light Infantry, who died in a hunting accident in 1883 near Pitlochry. The marriage was not well liked in the Sutherland family and when the Duke died in 1892 his will, in favour of the Duchess, was contested by his son, the 4th Duke. In a court process that followed, the Duchess was found guilty of destroying documents in attempt of securing the inheritance and was imprisoned for six weeks in Holloway Prison, London.

    Eventually, the Sutherland family came to an agreement giving Duchess Blair a substantial financial settlement. Furthermore, the family agreed to build a castle for the Duchess, as long as it was outside of the Sutherland Estate.


    Quote Grounds and Loch

    The total extent of land within the legal Title to Carbisdale Castle extends to about 20 acres and is shown on the Title plan included within these particulars of sale.

    The approach to the castle is via impressive entrance gates flanked by circular stone pillars with a drive which leads for about 800 metres to terminate at the enclosed gravel carriage sweep in front of the castle.

    A particular feature of the property is a natural loch which lies about 1km to the west of the castle accessible by a vehicular track over which the owner has a right of access.

    Extending to about 6 acres in size with ownership including the belt of land and woodland which surrounds the loch, this is a notably picturesque and peaceful place to quietly contemplate life or cast a fly for the wild brown trout that occupy it.

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    Excellent ideas Ewan!

    But how about this place... in nature, at the seaside, paradise (still even now I think)... and just a bit less expensive.
    And yes, it IS for sale! Harder to travel there though. But once there, you can swim with...WHALES!

    I was there before it was created (1985, 1990 and 2005), a fabulous place and friendly people.

    Have a look... especially the videos too!

    https://www.serenitybeaches.com/
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    Default Re: Pooling resources and knowledge: An alternative escape. UK.

    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    Excellent ideas Ewan!

    But how about this place... in nature, at the seaside, paradise (still even now I think)... and just a bit less expensive.
    And yes, it IS for sale! Harder to travel there though. But once there, you can swim with...WHALES!

    Is the property you are referencing in Belize or Tonga? Looks like the one you linked is in Tonga, although I did find one for sale with the same name in Belize.

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    It's in Tonga. Ha'Apai group of islands. Not so many people travel there.
    In 1990, just ten visitors a week.

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    I'm counting on this type of idea myself; it's something I've heard other (like-minded) people talk about as an escape. I like the idea of collaborating where each participant doesn't need to use all their cash, seems like the ideal situation.

    My timescale is to start the process of moving this year. I want the start of 2022 to be in a ruddy huge castle wooooo!!! isolated property away from the brain-washing


    edit update: in my tiny excited mind we could have many escape ideas like this in parallel at once!!!
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    Even a small suite of rooms would be out of my price range unfortunately, especially when my car's finally fixed (hopefully on) Friday after a very complicated repair... but you'd need a cleaner for a place that size, I'd be happy to work with accommodation included!

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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Even a small suite of rooms would be out of my price range unfortunately, especially when my car's finally fixed (hopefully on) Friday after a very complicated repair... but you'd need a cleaner for a place that size, I'd be happy to work with accommodation included!
    There are plenty of people who have no way of contributing financially and my instincts say we need to keep being/making friends. Familiarity and trust takes time; it's a bit of a jump start, but it is what it is; not ideal but could be worse. I hope any one project with n people could accommodate x people who are willing but can't contribute property grade finances. Even then it will depend on the property in question, but I would hope.

    Ewan was right first time when he said that we are creatures who collaborate well. The less in common I have with brainwashed friends (I still care about them), the more in common I feel with strangers like you lot. The sensation is like we're in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and boy am I glad to have a conversation with a real person. The warmth I feel now talking to a complete stranger (with a similar point of view). James Delingpole was talking about this recently, I'm pretty much quoting his words.

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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Even a small suite of rooms would be out of my price range unfortunately, especially when my car's finally fixed (hopefully on) Friday after a very complicated repair... but you'd need a cleaner for a place that size, I'd be happy to work with accommodation included!
    In the same boat Brigantia

    It a great idea for those members of Avalon who could do this.
    It like a seed bank of safety for like minded alts, a great thing yes.
    Maybe if the POOP really hits the fan, well maybe we of lesser means could find safety there as well, until things get better, if only just camping out in the grounds
    That's an idea as well, combine.


    Makes me feel happy thinking there could be pockets of happy safe Avalonians far from the maddening crowds
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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    if only just camping out in the grounds
    Oh now, posh yurts - I did a yoga class once in one, it was lovely! I'd go for that but the spouse and the cat might take some convincing...

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    Good comments and all very true and valid.

    A month ago I was on the "verge" of doing just that, I did find a place that was exactly as we talk about here. It could have accommodated many Avalonians (as well as other like-minded people). Not a "castle", but definitely something we could have turned into a "Castle Avalon", in time.

    I even paid a deposit... and then... I got GAZUMPED! I was told (by my solicitor) that this almost never happens, maybe in 1 or 2% of property sales.
    It could have been the ideal place (it already was an eco-retreat for 25+ years). What saddened me, is that people that have been for so long in an activity of ecology and organic food, alternative workshops (even pottery and cob building!) can have such an unethical attitude and behavior. Over here in Belgium it would have been illegal...

    But well, maybe somewhere else then.
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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    if only just camping out in the grounds
    Oh now, posh yurts - I did a yoga class once in one, it was lovely! I'd go for that but the spouse and the cat might take some convincing...
    or:
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    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    Good comments and all very true and valid.

    A month ago I was on the "verge" of doing just that, I did find a place that was exactly as we talk about here. It could have accommodated many Avalonians (as well as other like-minded people). Not a "castle", but definitely something we could have turned into a "Castle Avalon", in time.

    I even paid a deposit... and then... I got GAZUMPED! I was told (by my solicitor) that this almost never happens, maybe in 1 or 2% of property sales.
    It could have been the ideal place (it already was an eco-retreat for 25+ years). What saddened me, is that people that have been for so long in an activity of ecology and organic food, alternative workshops (even pottery and cob building!) can have such an unethical attitude and behavior. Over here in Belgium it would have been illegal...

    But well, maybe somewhere else then.
    Come to the UK so we can steal your powers; impressive that you got that far, too bad it didn't go through that time.

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    Default Re: Pooling resources and knowledge: An alternative escape. UK.

    Hi Ewan,

    just wanted to give you a thumbs up for the thread as coincidentally, it was an idea I'd mooted on a UK "ringing cedars" website maybe 12 or 13 years ago as a way to set up a community of like minded people living happily(hopefully!!) together, with common goals and interests, where we'd be sharing the workload and upkeep etc., along with growing our own fruit/veg and trying to be as self-sufficient as possible. It definitely has possibilities of working and with some of the stunning properties you've shown, you could probably have say 20 people as stakeholders which brings the initial investment down even further.
    Ha, at the time there were only one or two people who thought it might be viable option, so it never went beyond the wistful dreaming stage, but in the present climate a (vaccine-free?) Castle Avalon, as it's been aptly dubbed, seems like the kind of haven we could all use to escape far from the madding crowd.
    In saying that I did do some volunteering/wwoofing around Scotland about 5 years ago and at on point stayed in a large shared communal Victorian house with 7 acres including huge walled kitchen garden for a couple of weeks. There were lots of great people with many various skillsets(DIY/Plumbing/Electrics/Veg growing/Cooking/Accounting/Cleaning etc) where they had a rota work timetable, so nearly everyone had the chance to try/do other jobs around the place though obviously some specialists stayed in their own sections most of the time. They also laid on alternative therapy courses there, invited speakers and much more besides to sustain themselves, though the house and land wasn't owned by any of them, but rather a trust who allowed them to be custodians of it(I think!).
    They did receive some grants and raised the rest of the money they needed to keep it running yearly, themselves. It was a wonderful set up and full of people whose skills and personalities and visions dovetailed together so well and you really felt part of a big family the moment you entered there. Unfortunately, last year they lost some grant or funding they'd been promised and the place literally closed down and was put on the market within a few months as they couldn't keep going. It was really sad to see and I've no idea where the people who were there at that time moved to.
    Anyway, I don't at all want to be the voice of doom and gloom, but I would say that with any of those beautiful big houses/mansions, they need a lot of money for their upkeep and repair, never mind the day to day running side, so you do need a good business model of some sort that can tick things over in the long term......A vaccine free b'n'b maybe?? Just kidding.
    But, I really hope your idea gains some traction, as it's certainly an appealing possibility in trying to find an out from the current restrictions.....Plus, imagine the fabulous library we'd have there if we all pooled our alternate book collections. Good luck with the dream Ewan!

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    Default Re: Pooling resources and knowledge: An alternative escape. UK.

    I already have a retreat. From that experience I would suggest buying a piece of undervalued land that can be gardened and can supply water, atleast if a well is dug. Where mine is we have really an unlimited supply of wood, so one would need to see about heating source if in a temperate or cold clime. Assuming enough money is available, I would then buy a prefab dwelling, or a dwelling kit that can be erected manually. If the land was big enough you could lease out subsections of the land for others of a like mind. I don't think I'd risk doing a joint venture with others since property management is such a tricky/risky affair.

    I'm not sure if that suggestion works in a place like the UK where land is scarce, so, for what it's worth.

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    Default Re: Pooling resources and knowledge: An alternative escape. UK.

    I'm not really into the idea of too big a community myself, but combining with one or two others financially you get significantly more options. The smaller the group, the fewer the woes and familiarity is typically key, but in the absence of that well, time will tell. It's all about the networking at the moment. Ultimately the best model imho is a decentralised one. The idea I talked to my brother about had us looking at land with at least two properties, which would be one each. Doesn't have to be fancy. Slightly tricky to sell on if we wanted to part ways, but not impossible.

    This is very much a fantasy land thread though, and it's good fun talking about this stuff. The castle in the opening post is good, well worth the daydream.

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    Default Re: Pooling resources and knowledge: An alternative escape. UK.

    There is a whole thread about tiny houses starting here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ght=tiny+house
    Some discussion there, though if you want to see more videos of actual tiny houses, probably better to start at the end of the thread.
    Ecologically sustainable and self-sustaining communities are sure to be more on people's minds as land grabs, food shortages, grid problems, etc. may continue to accelerate if the NWO continues to unfold its nefarious plans.
    Tiny house communities are springing up all over.
    I would think there would be fewer headaches with the latter than with the kind of maintenance old castles would require (though less picturesque, of course).

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    Oh now, posh yurts - I did a yoga class once in one, it was lovely! I'd go for that but the spouse and the cat might take some convincing...
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    Default Re: Pooling resources and knowledge: An alternative escape. UK.

    Been trying to get something like this off the ground all year. Seems to be very difficult in the UK, although I know a few who've done it. Rachel Elnaugh from Dragon's Den has been instrumental in helping kickstart a few around the UK.
    Still working on it though, gotta have the right people first, the rest will follow.

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    Default Re: Pooling resources and knowledge: An alternative escape. UK.

    The subject of this thread is on a lot of people’s mind right now. Only yesterday my sent me a this link to a handbook recently, written for those wanting to set up their own smaller community. Full disclosure: I have not purchased this book myself so cannot comment on it’s contents but thought it appropriate to this thread. https://gettogether.world/

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