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    The most important aspect of intentional communities are the people. You got to have the right kind of people in it. I mean only angels can create heaven. We are in the process of creating a community and this thing comes at the very top of the list. This aspect is non negotiable. It does not matter if someone brings nothing or brings everything what matters is that "someone".

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    Current events are leading up to an inevitable future.

    I think a better discussion topic for this forum might be how do we escape the mass vaccinations going on globally, where ever we may be, if that is even possible.

    It's becoming very clear, they want to inject every single person in the world with their gene altering "vaccines" in line with their Transhumanism agenda. By the end of 2021, I believe vaccination will be mandatory worldwide. Already they have started mandatory vaccination in many places of the world like India, Philippines and Moscow, and putting strong pressure on the others. Eventually, it will be mandated everywhere. Time is running out.

    By next month, it will be clear Covid-21 or the "Delta" version is going to be used as the excuse for a new wave and massive spikes in many countries, and they are now saying all the non mRNA vaccines are useless. Only Pfizer and Moderna will be accepted.

    A place to stay might be well and good, but it has to be completely self sufficient and generate it's own energy, and water (and food). Or else, the authorities can cut them off. There is nothing to suggest they will leave the remaining "anti vaxxers" alone.

    Life is going to be very hard, if you plan on refusing the jab.

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    Already they have started mandatory vaccination in many places of the world like India, Philippines and Moscow, and putting strong pressure on the others. Eventually, it will be mandated everywhere. Time is running out.

    By next month, it will be clear Covid-21 or the "Delta" version is going to be used as the excuse for a new wave and massive spikes in many countries, and they are now saying all the non mRNA vaccines are useless. Only Pfizer and Moderna will be accepted.

    A place to stay might be well and good, but it has to be completely self sufficient and generate it's own energy, and water (and food). Or else, the authorities can cut them off. There is nothing to suggest they will leave the remaining "anti vaxxers" alone.

    Life is going to be very hard, if you plan on refusing the jab.
    there is no mandatory vaccine in the Philippines. sounds like disinfo and fear porn.

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    >>there is no mandatory vaccine in the Philippines. sounds like disinfo and fear porn.

    Not really disinformation though; it's just an opinion, and not a pleasant one but the signs are there (in the UK) that this is their intention. The hating on the unvaccinated in the UK press over previous few weeks for example; encouraging everyone to get vaccinated or face a social stigma. Might be different from country to country but I'm afraid I share xeon's PoV on this

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    >>there is no mandatory vaccine in the Philippines. sounds like disinfo and fear porn.

    Not really disinformation though; it's just an opinion, and not a pleasant one but the signs are there (in the UK) that this is their intention. The hating on the unvaccinated in the UK press over previous few weeks for example; encouraging everyone to get vaccinated or face a social stigma. Might be different from country to country but I'm afraid I share xeon's PoV on this
    The signs are everywhere that they want to vaccinate everyone. All means are being implemented to force everyone into it. Everyone of us here knew that so I don't see the relevance of preaching to the choir. Saying something not true is disinfo or misinfo. Also the vaccinated will die a slow and painful death via sike protine that will slowly kill the body. Heck that's a lot more painful and and of course a lot more difficult than those who refuse the jab. It means saying that "Life is going to be very hard, if you plan on refusing the jab" is wrong because getting it is many folds difficult.

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    One of the reasons I'm considering relocating to an isolated location is because I fully believe "Life is going to be very hard, if you plan on refusing the jab". I also believe life will be 'hard' for the vaccinated. But the fate of the vaccinated has nothing to do with the fate of the unvaccinated. In my world both statements are true, one doesn't take from the other; just because life might be hard for the vaccinated, makes no difference to how hard I believe it will be for the rest of us. I hope it doesn't pan out like that but no way can I put my hand on my heart and say anything other than "Life is going to be very hard, if you plan on refusing the jab"

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
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    Already they have started mandatory vaccination in many places of the world like India, Philippines and Moscow, and putting strong pressure on the others. Eventually, it will be mandated everywhere. Time is running out.

    By next month, it will be clear Covid-21 or the "Delta" version is going to be used as the excuse for a new wave and massive spikes in many countries, and they are now saying all the non mRNA vaccines are useless. Only Pfizer and Moderna will be accepted.

    A place to stay might be well and good, but it has to be completely self sufficient and generate it's own energy, and water (and food). Or else, the authorities can cut them off. There is nothing to suggest they will leave the remaining "anti vaxxers" alone.

    Life is going to be very hard, if you plan on refusing the jab.
    there is no mandatory vaccine in the Philippines. sounds like disinfo and fear porn.
    It is looking that way, with the Philippines president Duterte warning of jail for those who refuse the jab?! In India, they are actually grabbing and holding down people while injecting them by force!

    Last year in 2020, there was a "leaked" document I saw posted by someone which supposedly showed the "timeline" for 2021, and so far it has been quite accurate. The document showed March 2021 being the month when "Covid-21" would be "released". Didn't the Delta variant begin in India around March or April? Now it is (conveniently) showing up all over the world....

    The document also showed increasing lockdowns from the summer months onwards. Ending with mandatory vaccination in November 2021.

    The latest news I'm getting is this:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/morgan-...-from-offices/

    This is really alarming, if the banks are going to eventually bar unvaccinated people from entering their branches.

    It's alright if you don't want to indulge in "fear porn", but I'm afraid it is not going to change the outcome, short of a global miracle. I've been following the Covid developments very closely and that is how it is going.....

    Then again, if you only just consent to the jab, there won't be any further problems for you (or so they tell you). That is why I said, life will be very difficult, IF you really do not want their "vaccines"....
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    Ok Bubu there is some wisdom you're sharing... that I think I've been missing; perhaps, it's that we can feel positive because we see the truth so we can adapt. I suppose, for me, right now, I feel pre-adapted, like, I'm not adapted yet. I'm still coming to terms with what's happening around me

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Ok Bubu there is some wisdom you're sharing... that I think I've been missing; perhaps, it's that we can feel positive because we see the truth so we can adapt. I suppose, for me, right now, I feel pre-adapted, like, I'm not adapted yet. I'm still coming to terms with what's happening around me
    fear is the ingredient that separates us from our Godself and prevents us from seeing the obvious truth. Glad to be of help.

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    On a related subject, surviving an economic collapse, or any kind of collapse that may be currently in the pipeline - such as planned food shortages! I've just found a stunning series on Amazon Prime. I am in the UK, so have no way of knowing if this could be viewed outside that region. I'm investigating a way to download and share but don't hold your breath.

    It is simply called "Victorian Farm". It recreates life as a Victorian farmer with all the work involved. What stunned me was the realisation that prior to the industrial revolution the work on a farm must have been 100 fold harder. Compare that to today where modern tractor cabs look more like an aeroplane cockpit with computers onboard to handle all the work. Every aspect of modern farming is at least 10 times easier than Victorian times, which in itself was 20 - 100 times easier than prior to the introduction of machines. Life was effing tough in the old days. Modern humans with their 'looked after' lives and all the mod cons wouldn't last a year if it all disappears.

    When machines, such as threshers, were first introduced the labourers, or 'no longer needed', literally invaded farms and destroyed machines. This also happened in other manufacturing industries such as weaving. I believe there is a story from Holland where workers dropped their wooden clogs into the loom - it gave rise to a phrase that is still used today but few realise where it comes from - and this particular individual cannot recall. (Note to self : you're a moron).

    The people who will survive the best are those who have nothing already and are used to being creative in their survival techniques. The same people who, largely, have not been vaccinated. The third world countries will fare best in this mooted depopulation/new world order insanity, which does appear to be unfolding. The overlords will need an underclass, and an underclass grateful to be fed and spared will make a most useful workforce to replace the remnants of a shattered first world.

    At least this series might gave you some idea on what to expect in a back to basics bug out. It is going to be hard, but hard can be stimulating; up to a point - the point being you're starving - cheerful sod, ain't I.
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    "I believe there is a story from Holland where workers dropped their wooden clogs into the loom - it gave rise to a phrase that is still used today but few realise where it comes from"...

    Not a story from Holland Ewan, but Belgium!

    It is related to a French word, one that everyone knows: SABOTAGE

    The wooden clogs you mentioned are "sabots" (in French), hence sabotage. During the first "general strike" in 1886 in Liège, in the French part of Belgium, workers had dropped indeed their clogs ("klompen") in the machinerie, to "sabotage" the work and so to reinforce the strike.

    Not a story many would know Ewan!

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    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    "I believe there is a story from Holland where workers dropped their wooden clogs into the loom - it gave rise to a phrase that is still used today but few realise where it comes from"...

    Not a story from Holland Ewan, but Belgium!

    It is related to a French word, one that everyone knows: SABOTAGE

    The wooden clogs you mentioned are "sabots" (in French), hence sabotage. During the first "general strike" in 1886 in Liège, in the French part of Belgium, workers had dropped indeed their clogs ("klompen") in the machinerie, to "sabotage" the work and so to reinforce the strike.

    Not a story many would know Ewan!
    That's it! Thank you Johan, I do wonder about my personal memory device sometimes. Soon as I saw the word Sabotage it came back to me.

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    Pertinent to this thread I just missed out on a 4 bedroom cottage with attached annexe and 6 acres of land, only about half the land could have been used but there were already two large polytunnels on the property and it certainly had the potential to be self-sufficient. I bid 16% over the Home Valuation Report but apparently got nowhere near the succesful offer according to feedback from the Scottish lawyer who submitted my offer.



    The land is in the foreground with a burn running through it. It was only 5 miles away from quite a large town yet still quite remote.

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    I feel a little bit deflated that nobody approached me and said 'Right, let's go for this', for I genuinely feel we may be running out of time. Whilst I can find an acre or so on my own to retreat to it will be hard alone, I'm a pretty good handyman and can build simple structures. mend broken wires, fix a leak, there are limits to what I am capable of.

    So here's a new ad for fellow travellers into a great unknown.

    This place needs work, I'm going to guess at £250.000 max - well I have 250k to spend (with 50k in reserve) ((That's my cards on the table then)). Three others with similar finances and the place is ours. Scottish properties are selling for 10-15% over market value (I know this because I have missed out on two properties in the last month) so a bid of £750,000 may well win the day, leaving £250,000 for work needing done.

    You will note there are two other properties that come with this sale, so fellow Avalonians could come and join us from time to time and add their wisdom and skills to whatever project we have going.

    As I said earlier in the thread, it would be like living in an apartment block. In this case four floors equal four apartments. All self-contained and private. Outside is the village green where we work alongside in polytunnels and, well, whatever needs doing.





    https://player.vimeo.com/video/547552958

    Quite honestly each floor could be two apartments, so many more could join.

    You form a Trust, each trustee pays in 'X'. The Trust buys the property then....

    I don't know, finish the story for me.





    The Place
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    Ok that is amazing. I've asked a friend in the industry to look at the property link, and asked their opinion. They might be too busy atm, but I can ask again if I don't hear anything

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    Ooohhh, lovely - we stayed in Inveraray just up the road a few years ago, it's absolutely stunning around there.

    There's no way I could chip in though especially with the car being the money pit that it has been this year.

    Unless you still need a cleaner...

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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Ooohhh, lovely - we stayed in Inveraray just up the road a few years ago, it's absolutely stunning around there.

    There's no way I could chip in though especially with the car being the money pit that it has been this year.

    Unless you still need a cleaner...
    You'll be welcome anytime.. with mop or without.

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    Hypothetical situation. Ten stakeholders put together the money to buy a place.
    What's the chance we all manage to get along without schisms and fractures?

    The way I see it it would be like living in an apartment block, you know your neighbours, you say hallo, occasionally you have a barbecue together or similar. Everyone needs their own boundaries and no-one is obliged to take part in any social gatherings.

    On the plus side, with ten stakeholders from Project Avalon there is an awful lot of common agreement, but sure you can pick a fight if you focus on differing opinions.

    Here is a couple of examples.

    Orchardton Castle

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/107905673#/

















    Bargany House, Ayrshire

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/102572771#/











    Yay to Orchardton Castle for me...but could I just live in the grounds with the lake view in a little cabin please? 😊
    Joking aside I think this sort of idea is the future.

    A friend of mine is obsessed with the tiny home idea. A commune on land with similar properties where everyone brought their skills to live in harmony with nature. It sounds idyllic. But there’s part of me thinks you only need one bad egg to arrive, with over riding alpha male (or female) tendencies and the whole dynamics falls apart.

    I’ve given myself till December to see how things are looking and developing and if things haven’t started to improve drastically, I’m definitely selling up and off to somewhere more remote.

    I’m totally on board to come help decorate though, it’s a great idea!

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    Stumbled upon a place in Herefordshire which obviously sprang forth from an initial idea very similar to the one discussed in this thread.

    https://www.canonfromecourt.org.uk/

    Welcome to Canon Frome Court, a farming cooperative and intentional community in the Herefordshire countryside.

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    "I believe there is a story from Holland where workers dropped their wooden clogs into the loom - it gave rise to a phrase that is still used today but few realise where it comes from"...

    Not a story from Holland Ewan, but Belgium!

    It is related to a French word, one that everyone knows: SABOTAGE

    The wooden clogs you mentioned are "sabots" (in French), hence sabotage. During the first "general strike" in 1886 in Liège, in the French part of Belgium, workers had dropped indeed their clogs ("klompen") in the machinerie, to "sabotage" the work and so to reinforce the strike.

    Not a story many would know Ewan!
    That's it! Thank you Johan, I do wonder about my personal memory device sometimes. Soon as I saw the word Sabotage it came back to me.

    ----

    Pertinent to this thread I just missed out on a 4 bedroom cottage with attached annexe and 6 acres of land, only about half the land could have been used but there were already two large polytunnels on the property and it certainly had the potential to be self-sufficient. I bid 16% over the Home Valuation Report but apparently got nowhere near the succesful offer according to feedback from the Scottish lawyer who submitted my offer.



    The land is in the foreground with a burn running through it. It was only 5 miles away from quite a large town yet still quite remote.
    Ha! I saw this place in my trawling through Rightmove and it tickled my wotsits as well!!

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    There are so many people in the UK and elsewhere trying to do this right now, and we've been involved in a few groups.
    One friend of ours started a community in Scotland, but it didn't feel right for us. Was all done in a bit of a panic, and now, because the people weren't vetted, it's all unravelling...

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