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    It just occurred to me that “trying to bump to an ET” , at least from human side of perspective is about as probable as the chance of solving equation for 2( not 1) Schrodinger cats. If not more cats.

    The probability of any of “us” meeting in the middle space without harm seems to be very low.

    But don’t take my word for it

    It also occurred to me this morning while contemplating lives of our various friends that we all are somewhat like porcelain elephants. Elephants in porcelain but ourselves, just porcelain too.
    I saw this world like the Gate of Sandonorico ( from Never Ending Story ) forever crumbling from marble to sands...


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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    It just occurred to me that “trying to bump to an ET” , at least from human side of perspective is about as probable as the chance of solving equation for 2( not 1) Schrodinger cats. If not more cats.

    The probability of any of “us” meeting in the middle space without harm seems to be very low.

    But don’t take my word for it

    It also occurred to me this morning while contemplating lives of our various friends that we all are somewhat like porcelain elephants. Elephants in porcelain but ourselves, just porcelain too.
    I saw this world like the Gate of Sandonorico ( from Never Ending Story ) forever crumbling from marble to sands...
    Yes, interesting point. I listened to a very physics oriented interview a while ago with a NASA scientist who was not skeptical about alien life (I wish I still had the link). He made some very down-to-earth remarks.

    What are the chances that populations from other planets would survive in our atmosphere? Can they cope with the air pressure, do they breathe oxygen, etc. etc.

    It reminded me of the movie "War of the worlds" where the aliens die off because of germs they could not deal with. (If I remember correctly).

    It also makes me question if there may be a connection with our worldwide lockdown 'exercises' and vaccinations ...

    But you're right ... we hardly think about these issues.

    And just to add, why would they land on the white house lawn if they follow other organizational hierarchies?
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    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    It just occurred to me that “trying to bump to an ET” , at least from human side of perspective is about as probable as the chance of solving equation for 2( not 1) Schrodinger cats. If not more cats.

    The probability of any of “us” meeting in the middle space without harm seems to be very low.

    But don’t take my word for it

    It also occurred to me this morning while contemplating lives of our various friends that we all are somewhat like porcelain elephants. Elephants in porcelain but ourselves, just porcelain too.
    I saw this world like the Gate of Sandonorico ( from Never Ending Story ) forever crumbling from marble to sands...
    Yes, interesting point. I listened to a very physics oriented interview a while ago with a NASA scientist who was not skeptical about alien life (I wish I still had the link). He made some very down-to-earth remarks.

    What are the chances that populations from other planets would survive in our atmosphere? Can they cope with the air pressure, do they breathe oxygen, etc. etc.

    It reminded me of the movie "War of the worlds" where the aliens die off because of germs they could not deal with. (If I remember correctly).

    It also makes me question if there may be a connection with our worldwide lockdown 'exercises' and vaccinations ...

    But you're right ... we hardly think about these issues.

    And just to add, why would they land on the white house lawn if they follow other organizational hierarchies?
    Depends how you view reality:

    It has always been reported that the ET has very advanced and powerful telepathy, what if in reality our world is just like 'Avatar'
    What if we just make all their machines for them and they use our bodies.
    What if after all this time they have perfect Hydrides.
    What if our reality isn't.
    What if they are so advanced that, yes they can be here on our planet.
    What if, what if, what if.
    It's not black and white, nothing is clear cut anymore.
    Not to mention any interdimensional aspects 0.o
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
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    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    It just occurred to me that “trying to bump to an ET” , at least from human side of perspective is about as probable as the chance of solving equation for 2( not 1) Schrodinger cats. If not more cats.

    The probability of any of “us” meeting in the middle space without harm seems to be very low.

    But don’t take my word for it

    It also occurred to me this morning while contemplating lives of our various friends that we all are somewhat like porcelain elephants. Elephants in porcelain but ourselves, just porcelain too.
    I saw this world like the Gate of Sandonorico ( from Never Ending Story ) forever crumbling from marble to sands...
    Yes, interesting point. I listened to a very physics oriented interview a while ago with a NASA scientist who was not skeptical about alien life (I wish I still had the link). He made some very down-to-earth remarks.

    What are the chances that populations from other planets would survive in our atmosphere? Can they cope with the air pressure, do they breathe oxygen, etc. etc.

    It reminded me of the movie "War of the worlds" where the aliens die off because of germs they could not deal with. (If I remember correctly).

    It also makes me question if there may be a connection with our worldwide lockdown 'exercises' and vaccinations ...

    But you're right ... we hardly think about these issues.

    And just to add, why would they land on the white house lawn if they follow other organizational hierarchies?
    Depends how you view reality:

    It has always been reported that the ET has very advanced and powerful telepathy, what if in reality our world is just like 'Avatar'
    What if we just make all their machines for them and they use our bodies.
    What if after all this time they have perfect Hydrides.
    What if our reality isn't.
    What if they are so advanced that, yes they can be here on our planet.
    What if, what if, what if.

    It's not black and white, nothing is clear cut anymore.

    Not to mention any interdimensional aspects 0.o

    When has it ever been?
    May your Spirit stay unbroken, may you not be deterred.

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    Quote Posted by Operator (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    It just occurred to me that “trying to bump to an ET” , at least from human side of perspective is about as probable as the chance of solving equation for 2( not 1) Schrodinger cats. If not more cats.

    The probability of any of “us” meeting in the middle space without harm seems to be very low.

    But don’t take my word for it

    It also occurred to me this morning while contemplating lives of our various friends that we all are somewhat like porcelain elephants. Elephants in porcelain but ourselves, just porcelain too.
    I saw this world like the Gate of Sandonorico ( from Never Ending Story ) forever crumbling from marble to sands...
    Yes, interesting point. I listened to a very physics oriented interview a while ago with a NASA scientist who was not skeptical about alien life (I wish I still had the link). He made some very down-to-earth remarks.

    What are the chances that populations from other planets would survive in our atmosphere? Can they cope with the air pressure, do they breathe oxygen, etc. etc.

    It reminded me of the movie "War of the worlds" where the aliens die off because of germs they could not deal with. (If I remember correctly).

    It also makes me question if there may be a connection with our worldwide lockdown 'exercises' and vaccinations ...

    But you're right ... we hardly think about these issues.

    And just to add, why would they land on the white house lawn if they follow other organizational hierarchies?

    Thanks Operator, well some of us do think about it for very long time now and how can ETs intervene with the reality humans perceive as real or can they.

    Talking of people who had been contacted by ETs during their life numerous times, it did not exactly harm them ANYHOW but opened unique and unaltered space of possibilities and perspectives on our understanding of maths and physics and Life in the Universe ( for the curious and eternal doubters, yes I do exist despite the homophobic attempts to “change my mind” or annihilate my presence in this life, often violent by number of individuals in this very life, starting from childhood who are essentially “allergic” to any form of intelligence that does not immediately “resonate” with theirs). Call it simple “xenophobia” for lack of better term but I’ve experienced this phenomenon of human kind since I was young.

    Could be one reason why I was very introverted individual and took me long time to come out of my shell in any discipline or manner.

    Sounds outlandish perhaps but the thing we discuss here do have common grounds and influence people differently , I believe.

    Programmed learning and thinking “out of the box” may happen in different parts of brain.
    Thinking “out of the human box” proved dangerous for many types of modern individuals unless their brain and mental landscape were accustomed to the process.
    I had tough times with this as teenager but got over the “problem” at some point, basically throwing much of my creative maths and art to the bin.
    There wasn’t any further “guidance” available from either the higher dimensional ET and most certainly not from humans on how to proceed.

    The problem is still not sorted now, three decades later, despite the computing power, even AI that could relieve us of the burden of calculations.

    No matter how many observations happen, the only thing that would enable “decent communication” with ET is some kind of “source code”.
    If the “source code” is not known or available to human scientists, any isolated phenomenon even if intelligent and artificial can be only interpreted as “phenomenon”.

    At the same time I do feel that some of us ( who happen to be involved with this) got through number of logical problems “between us and them” already ( or we like to think so) and we are moving ahead with our understanding of definitions ( of them and us on Universal scale) albeit slowly.

    Most certainly - from my own perspective - you are right and most EBEs would fail to survive here for long time. Humans have been adapted here for millions of years - the only reason we feel any sort of homely at all.

    Imagine being dropped somewhere on this planet - “hospitable to life” - with all its harsh climate, temperatures oscillating between deep freeze at night and scorching heat in the day, without primitive caveman skills.

    Most advanced civilisations in space may have surpassed those or never needed them. They may fear making open fire as a threat. These tasty vegetables are little hard to digest and you would never kill a beetle on your home planet,
    now there are are so many around you crawling , a miracle of life.

    Even if you have survived couple of nights the “test” passed or not may rest in the first human encounter and the risks are high that it won’t turn well for the unadjusted visiting EBE.

    Unlike the repeated cliche about “Spaniards invading Native America” ( while all parties involved were human and warrior like in essence who had their own rich cultural past and fought wars),
    why would any EBE wish to “invade your planet” especially after finding out all the strange reactions people exhibit at its sight?

    My own relationship to humans had always been about love, empathy and effort to understand - but it’s also always been about cautions and anxiety from the way humans are .

    Even if all the above including me (X) was not true but abstract model of computer reality, all that any “good EBe” would want to do here from my perspective is get to know humans better, scientifically and psychologically, contribute - share some Universal perspectives that are applicable and that we have in common
    and then, get out fast as possible.

    🦢
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    Does "the government" ever tell the truth? After being abducted twice into a deep underground military/Grays base I'm not holding my breath on government "disclosure" because they are certainly not going to confess to cahooting with Grays, Reptilians, et al.

    IMO, disclosure already has been done by the tens of thousands of firsthand witnesses who have been abducted or contacted by ETs. There are so many books, documents and videos on the subject that one would scarcely have time to read them all in one's spare time. However, there are lies, misinformation and misinterpretations embedded in many accounts so DISCERNMENT is the watchword. Look for the dots that connect. Also, be aware that many ETs lie and deceive humans via channeling, telepathic messages or face to face contacts.

    The government is controlled by Freemasonry and other secret societies that hide the truth and intentionally disseminate disinformation. As I discovered, Freemasonry and other secret societies were created by the Anunnaki. (However, in my books I referred to them as the Serpent Staff Pleiadians because of the symbols that were always associated with them around the world. In the mid-90s I was unfamiliar with the term "Anunnaki".)

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    Quote IMO, disclosure already has been done by the tens of thousands of firsthand witnesses who have been abducted or contacted by ETs.
    So TRUE TrumanCash. Do you think there are people ie contactees that KNOW in-depth the QUESTIONS most people including the Gov/military/black ops are wanting to know? Do you find it interesting the UAPs have not tried to communicate with Gov, Navy, black ops, etc? If you were an advanced species visiting here would you want to talk with the varied nations military?

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    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    Quote IMO, disclosure already has been done by the tens of thousands of firsthand witnesses who have been abducted or contacted by ETs.
    So TRUE TrumanCash. Do you think there are people ie contactees that KNOW in-depth the QUESTIONS most people including the Gov/military/black ops are wanting to know? Do you find it interesting the UAPs have not tried to communicate with Gov, Navy, black ops, etc? If you were an advanced species visiting here would you want to talk with the varied nations military?
    Good point mojo but haven't all the advanced species already contacted the governments of the world, most probably rejecting farther contact with them?
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    Hmmm interesting point Sunny-side-up, It's true that some species have made contact, so I guess the BIGGER question is why is the military saying especially with the recent NAVY footage and REPORTS, WE dont know who or WHAT they are.... kinda sounds contrary to having comms. So is something not right with the recent picture they are painting for public consumption?

    edit: Also should we be concerned about other Countries like China and Russia? Do ETs differentiate between good & bad? If China was provided high tech by a species of ET what affect would that have?... And do you agree there are good & bad ETs?

    sorry I could use woke words like service to self or service to others...
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    this does not have the usual shape of a weather balloon...

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    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    I would like to corroborate some information here and what I’ve received from my friends who live in Uruguay.

    To put it shortly and bluntly, ET is annoyed. Specifically the “father group of Beings” who have been watching over this human civilisation for a good while
    they seem to be in utter dismay with what is happening.

    Human selfishness, environmental destruction, vanity, stupidity, cruelty ..

    ET, this “paternal lineage” in particular would like to talk to us about ethical and logical principles and path to Spiritual Ascension now ( how uncanny) while most humans are completely preoccupied and inaccessible on that wavelength.

    Beware the story has some sharp and cutting edges.

    Humans have since misused most of the know-how effectively stolen from ET for their own , using it liberally to their own self destructive aims.


    The latest perks of so called Space Race probably look equally annoying and ridiculous to our Space Cousins.


    They’ve been here million years waiting and watching to talk to us some day I believe


    Human trickery from their perspective has self destructive threshold.


    If any of their technologies or remnants of their objects were misused in war games or an attempt to get their crafts ,

    they have a plan D on table.

    Somehow, they’re very aware and afraid that some stupid homo will refurbish and play with even copy of their technologies .


    It may the very same reason WHY are governments and military agencies carefully denying and hiding all evidence.

    The target information or materials may be in hands of private investors and space companies now who are evolving new generation space technologies.

    No one knows or can predict what happens “at the tipping point” of space race that is now still in its diapers.

    It’s not even very clear for now how quickly are we actually able, to get to that “tipping point”. Since it’s where we mostly , aim at

    This and the following intervention could come in completely untimely fashion, for example in form of asteroid hurled in our direction such as the one that initiated extinction of giant reptiles.
    It would not be clear at that point what “age” are we in or what day is it.

    I am posting this information for your protection only. I am not aware of any imminent or pronounced threat from the ET to humans
    so I consider this to be part of their “advice” to members of our precious humanity.


    ...

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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
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    ET is annoyed.
    they seem to be in utter dismay with what is happening.
    Human selfishness, environmental destruction, vanity, stupidity, cruelty ..
    Human trickery from their perspective has self destructive threshold.
    I take that quite seriously: I think it'd be entirely possible. The "threat" might just be that benevolent ETs are poised to take action to stop the human race destroying any more of the planet, and themselves. (And if so, I might even be rooting for them.)

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
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    ET is annoyed.
    they seem to be in utter dismay with what is happening.
    Human selfishness, environmental destruction, vanity, stupidity, cruelty ..
    Human trickery from their perspective has self destructive threshold.
    I take that quite seriously: I think it'd be entirely possible. The "threat" might just be that benevolent ETs are poised to take action to stop the human race destroying any more of the planet, and themselves. (And if so, I might even be rooting for them.)
    I second that

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    [snipped and extracted]

    ET is annoyed.
    they seem to be in utter dismay with what is happening.
    Human selfishness, environmental destruction, vanity, stupidity, cruelty ..
    Human trickery from their perspective has self destructive threshold.
    I take that quite seriously: I think it'd be entirely possible. The "threat" might just be that benevolent ETs are poised to take action to stop the human race destroying any more of the planet, and themselves. (And if so, I might even be rooting for them.)


    I take it seriously too. Likewise what I have shared ( and my update with Miles Johnston right after arriving from Uruguay to Turku in Finland) is a snippet of the long difficult dialogue we had between my and their ET group.

    All of them are highly evolved and consider themselves utterly benevolent though there certainly are core differences of “where we come from”

    theoretically there should not be major disagreements ,

    on ethical side of things.


    But realising the weight and alarming nature of the “threat” I’ve refused to be carrier of the message at that point
    and I’ve objected to any “punitive action” being taken against humans.

    From which point I myself became a target of their threat and I won’t go to more details right in this hour but I am sure I have some points to share once I can sort the information layers to where they come from.


    But...there really may be much more we don’t know about yet


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
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    ET is annoyed.
    they seem to be in utter dismay with what is happening.
    Human selfishness, environmental destruction, vanity, stupidity, cruelty ..
    Human trickery from their perspective has self destructive threshold.
    I take that quite seriously: I think it'd be entirely possible. The "threat" might just be that benevolent ETs are poised to take action to stop the human race destroying any more of the planet, and themselves. (And if so, I might even be rooting for them.)
    Yes Please. bring it on friendly ET's
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    I really feel they have been told some one (ETs) are going to correct things, so smarten your act's up now.

    The flash flag could just be a fight back attempt to HI-Jack that is going to happen.

    Anyways fingers crossed that something grandly good is going to happen, finally
    :sum:
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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
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    ET is annoyed.
    they seem to be in utter dismay with what is happening.
    Human selfishness, environmental destruction, vanity, stupidity, cruelty ..
    Human trickery from their perspective has self destructive threshold.
    I take that quite seriously: I think it'd be entirely possible. The "threat" might just be that benevolent ETs are poised to take action to stop the human race destroying any more of the planet, and themselves. (And if so, I might even be rooting for them.)
    Yes Please. bring it on friendly ET's

    They’ve actually gathered good measure of consent - so it seems to me - on the highest echelon level and though I can not be the only person who did not submit,

    there may be but few of us together.

    Yes the logic of their loop solution is quite convincing to most uniformed individuals.


    In the meantime, I’m back to myself and on the way of contacting our original ET fleet somewhere in Space.
    There is still about 50:50 chance that something better happens.

    Call it plan G, H , K


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    Get's my upvote.

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    There is a concern when we hear military say, We need to learn who & what they are? We have been hearing that. If you agree the intelligence behind the UFOs have been visiting for a while or maybe they live here too and for thousands of years ETs may have been around and allowed the human race to progress further. I feel we are making dangerous moves to learn who or what they are. Does learning that mean we will take necessary actions (strike first) to bring them down to study them & backward engineer their tech?

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