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    This farmer claims there's plenty of food in the UK and Europe but the food is being bought and destroyed. I have no idea if this is the case, but thought I would share that farmer's video


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    Default Re: Manufactured food shortages?

    This is about the 4th similar story I’ve heard like this over the last couple of weeks.
    The ones I can remember the details are; an Indian man interviewed by Dr Kate Mahajani (sp?) at the London Protest on Saturday saying very much the same about his family who are farmers in India, Italy and Spain.
    Another man recently in either Greece or Turkey was showing massive piles of fresh fruit and vedg on landfill sites that hadn’t even reached market or shops.

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    Default Re: Manufactured food shortages?

    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    This farmer claims there's plenty of food in the UK and Europe but the food is being bought and destroyed. I have no idea if this is the case, but thought I would share that farmer's video

    Basically its bartered with useless pieces of paper ( speaking of real value). Imagine 10 truckloads of valuable fruits and veggies bartered with one small suitcase of useless paper. That's what money can do.

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    Default Re: Manufactured food shortages?

    I've been seconded to a supermarket shop floor from my usual job, but overall it's been quite well stocked but erratic. Some things seem to disappear and a week or so later you get a flood of them.

    One thing that I've noticed is that the deliveries have all been changed to odd times and that is causing huge problems for the night crew who get the shelves filled.

    I know some farmers round here, I'll see if I can get some news off them.

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    Default Re: Manufactured food shortages?

    For some reason I can't get sugar! I order it and get a "no stock" notice. I went to town looking for some and there was none on the shelves. I need sugar for my Hummingbirds!
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    Lets run our imagination around this money thing because I am pretty sure its what causing most of our problems. So lets say there is a group of people with a self proclaimed sole right to print money. They order some cheap raw materials, like abaca, run them on their especially designed money press. Such that no one can counterfeit. And they announce, "this is the only money authorize to go on circulation". And viola they can buy all the truck loads of food and destroy it. Hoard the sugar and hide it or dump it somewhere. While folks like you and me who have no authority or even means to print money have to sweat to get hold of some money to buy some carrots to eat. We are being dupe, we been dupe a long long time ago.

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    Default Re: Manufactured food shortages?

    Suddenly, in uk, a dearth of hgv drivers as most dashed off back to Eastern Europe due to pandemic issues, therefore a lack of supplies mobility.
    If push comes to shove, we can utilise the military to move goods around, but localised incentives need to happen, decent pay, resources/facilities for hgv drivers, etc. Unnecessarily bureaucratic nonsense slowing down supplies for ridiculous reasons. Yes, there are ‘dodgy feet’ on many brakes. Follow the money…
    Actually, follow the ‘Mob’. 😡

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    'HGV' = Heavy Goods Vehicle, which is British for a truck.

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    Quote Posted by avid (here)
    Suddenly, in uk, a dearth of hgv drivers as most dashed off back to Eastern Europe due to pandemic issues, therefore a lack of supplies mobility.
    That's what they say... there was a post about an article in The Grocer that stated that there was a shortfall of 65000 HGV drivers.

    Possibly... the reason was given that many eastern Europeans working here have returned home to their countries due to the scamdemic and Brexit, that was reported last year. (I know quite a few round here... they're staying here for the earnings.) With so many people having lost their jobs last year, would this not have been a good opportunity for some of them to retrain and work as HGV drivers? Where is the big push for this to happen if it has now reached a crisis point? Why was this not foreseen?

    Can they not 'think outside the box' from getting a HGV taking produce to a massive distribution centre and then sending the stock out in an HGV to stores? Why not straight to store in smaller vans?

    Something smells off from the official story.

    PS - I just checked how long it takes to get an HGV licence; 8 to 10 weeks, so it says here.
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    Here in my area not a single problem, no signals of food shortage, but prices are up a little bit, especially meat.

    My family in law they are farmers in the north-west part of the country, beside their own personal polyculture, they also have a monoculture at times producing rice, cassava, sugar cane mostly, this year they will be harvesting cassava again, they sell the entire harvest direct to a tapioca flour factory, beside the low prices they are paying, cassava is growing as always, my in law mentioned something about too much rain this year, and they will have to harvest weeks earlier, he was happy with that because they can start straight away to plough and plant new crop for the next season.
    I know a corn farmer around there, his farm is producing beautiful golden corns for years, the rice fields are shining, papayas, coconuts and bananas everywhere..
    I don't know, I am not an expert on this subject, but this is my personal opinion and analysis of the food situation in my area (which include south and north-west country), everything seems to be fine in the country side nobody is arguing about been hungry or even worried about food shortage. Truly nobody is speaking about it for now.

    If I hear anything I will report back.
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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    Here in my area not a single problem, no signals of food shortage, but prices are up a little bit, especially meat.

    My family in law they are farmers in the north-west part of the country, beside their own personal polyculture, they also have a monoculture at times producing rice, cassava, sugar cane mostly, this year they will be harvesting cassava again, they sell the entire harvest direct to a tapioca flour factory, beside the low prices they are paying, cassava is growing as always, my in law mentioned something about too much rain this year, and they will have to harvest weeks earlier, he was happy with that because they can start straight away to plough and plant new crop for the next season.
    I know a corn farmer around there, his farm is producing beautiful golden corns for years, the rice fields are shining, papayas, coconuts and bananas everywhere..
    I don't know, I am not an expert on this subject, but this is my personal opinion and analysis of the food situation in my area (which include south and north-west country), everything seems to be fine in the country side nobody is arguing about been hungry or even worried about food shortage. Truly nobody is speaking about it for now.

    If I hear anything I will report back.
    If your area is a food producing area, then there wouldn't be any problem with food supply as the problem is in the transporting. In fact there should be an over supply of food in food producing areas for the same reason stated above. Check prices of other commodities not locally produce chances is that there is a price increase.

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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    Here in my area not a single problem, no signals of food shortage, but prices are up a little bit, especially meat.

    My family in law they are farmers in the north-west part of the country, beside their own personal polyculture, they also have a monoculture at times producing rice, cassava, sugar cane mostly, this year they will be harvesting cassava again, they sell the entire harvest direct to a tapioca flour factory, beside the low prices they are paying, cassava is growing as always, my in law mentioned something about too much rain this year, and they will have to harvest weeks earlier, he was happy with that because they can start straight away to plough and plant new crop for the next season.
    I know a corn farmer around there, his farm is producing beautiful golden corns for years, the rice fields are shining, papayas, coconuts and bananas everywhere..
    I don't know, I am not an expert on this subject, but this is my personal opinion and analysis of the food situation in my area (which include south and north-west country), everything seems to be fine in the country side nobody is arguing about been hungry or even worried about food shortage. Truly nobody is speaking about it for now.

    If I hear anything I will report back.
    If your area is a food producing area, then there wouldn't be any problem with food supply as the problem is in the transporting. In fact there should be an over supply of food in food producing areas for the same reason stated above. Check prices of other commodities not locally produce chances is that there is a price increase.


    As far as I know the big fresh fish market in Samut Prakan was closed but reopened now, the farmers market called Talat Thai (https://talaadthai.com/en) a huge wholesale and retail market is open, it is where all the farmers dump their bulks (close to Bangkok) and it is the place where most supermarkets, restaurants, shops, etc buy from.

    Market is open, transportation inter-provinces not fully operational due to lockdowns in some areas, but still working. I go at least 2x a week around 06:00 AM to buy freshies, it is all fresh as usual, the source of the veggies is from Pathum Thani (Talat Thai) and also local produces, I prefer the local ones, they also sell fruits and gigantic mushrooms from China and India regularly.

    That means farmers are able to delivery their produce to the hub and the hub is able to distribute to the outlets, as far as I can tell the chain still working here.

    I hope it keep that way, but if not, local produces will still producing as far I can tell, unless someone at gun point force them to stop, but in that case we are talking tyranny.
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    This was a thread posted on twitter about the supposed 'lack' of HGV drivers and why, makes for interesting reading,



    can anyone help and show the whole thread please?

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    Quote Posted by EarthGirl (here)

    can anyone help and show the whole thread please?
    Here it is. I formatted it as best as I could for easy reading, but there are some VERY long sentences!

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    Hello Katie, I read your article on the supposed driver shortage, I have read numerous articles from news outlets and industry representatives over last few weeks and I’d like to tell you that you have been sucked into a haulage industry lie! Let me explain

    1)There are currently 56,000 registered LGV license holders in DVLA database that do not drive for a living as the do not posses a DCPC (Drivers certificate of professional competence) this was introduced in 2009 by an EU initiative lead by training companies and is a £3.1 billion industry.

    It requires drivers to have 35 hours of classroom study every 5 years but from the very beginning was a joke that was both insulting to drivers and of no benefit to safety in the industry, at one point drivers could sit the same module of 7 hours 5 times in a row simply to get the DCPC, how is that beneficial?

    Lots of drivers left the industry then and more over the next 10 years by 2019 45,000 drivers had failed to resit the CPC and moved to other work.

    2) The pay: when I first started in this industry on leaving the RAF in 1993 the pay was very good however over the last 28 years as the cost of living went up the wages went down and the influx of Eastern European drivers again drove wages downwards, this was until IR35 was introduced in April this year that closed a tax loophole that haulage companies exploited classing drivers as self employed, it meant thousands of companies didn’t pay employers N.I and drivers were avoiding tax, lots of drivers were sucked into the scam as higher rates were offered to them and again suppressing PAYE rates, when HMRC caught the scheme the EU drivers left U.K. owing millions in taxes and U.K. drivers were hit for thousands in back taxes, I never fell for the trap so struggled with low pay as a result.

    3) Long hours: despite the working time directive stating 48 hours is a maximum in a week lorry drivers because of low pay & another loophole are doing between 70-80 hours a week and can legally work more leading to tired drivers on our roads week after week and that takes a toll on family life and mental health, until recently it was commonplace for drivers to be away up to 9 weeks at a time, new rules reduce that to 3 weeks but that rule too can be bypassed by putting drivers in a hotel for 45 hours ever 3rd week (some put drivers in portacabins!) drivers had to work these hours because of the low pay but those that stopped driving are because of health or family issues.

    4) Conditions on the road: In 1994 there were some 600+ Truckstop sun the U.K. were a driver could stop to have a shower and eat that figure today is 109 including 35 motorway services that provide horrendous facilities for £35 a night that most companies will not reimburse!

    This leads to drivers parking in lay-bys and industrial estates with no facilities leading to a problem with human waste etc this leads to lorry parking bans and clamping (@KentHighways wants a county wide clamping order for every lay-by) there’s also a safety issue with load & diesel thefts going up 300% in 10 years because of a lack of safe affordable parking, many drivers are assaulted during these theft attempts as they act as unpaid security guards!

    5) Driver treatment: during the pandemic drivers continued working putting their health at risk and because the average driver age is now 50+ a lot who did catch Covid passed away due to poor health related to lack of places to get good healthy food, but as we kept working we were treated awfully but the very companies who are now shouting about a shortage of drivers!

    Drivers were denied access to facilities at customers to use toilets or hand washing etc, Truckstops & services were closed leading to drivers not being able to get a hot meal and shower, we were classed as key workers but treated like vermin, I ask you who after this would want to continue driving in this industry?

    6) Cost: Did you know the cost to become a truck driver is now on average £6,000+ an articulated truck is a class 1 and a rigid is class 2 drivers need to pay to learn class 2 then pay again to take class 1 then pay for a medical, DCPC tachograph card and driving license all this cost cannot be claimed back nor can you get help from the DWP/government to learn and because of the low pay and conditions less young people are coming into the industry after all you can get the same rate working in a warehouse!

    7) Red tape: after spending thousands of pounds learning to drive taking a CPC and trying to get a job that requires a minimum of two years experience, you then come across both the DVLA & the DVSA Both agencies are set up to ensure safety on the roads but the power they hold is enormous and they can fine large amounts of money and even revoke a vocational LGV entitlement for relatively minor breaches of rules, so again drivers get fed up and hang up their keys.

    8) The BIG industry lie: The transport industry and its customers for the last few weeks since IR 35 introduction have been slowly leaking to mainstream media that there is a shortage of drivers that’s going to lead to a a shortage of food & higher prices in shops, this diatribe has been spotted in many publications, across both the BBC and ITV morning programs, in newspapers and online articles and they all seem to offer the same solution: and that is to introduce drivers from outside the EU and relax immigration rules, they say this will help when it is simply a ruse to allow companies to employ drivers on lower rates from non EU countries one supplier even went as far to say drivers from sub-Saharan Africa could be brought to the UK in weeks and put to work, but myself & all the drivers in the UK & those at @Brakecharity are rightly horrified at the thought of bringing drivers to the UK from countries with horrendous safety records, a trial on drivers from Senegal was ended early when out of the 18 drivers allowed to the UK 15 had accidents in a four week period that led to 2 deaths, but industry is unperturbed by this and wants to bring back but allow tens of thousands of drivers from around the world to apply to come to the UK by reducing the immigration status of truckdrivers to a non-professional level.

    The Home Office of course has rightly rejected this saying that we cannot have a two tier system with drivers in the UK being regarded as a professional body and then introducing it is nonprofessional for immigration and that the industry its self has the means to rectify the situation by increasing conditions and pay.

    As I said I have read at least 20 articles across MSM and industry press but I have yet to see a single article written from the drivers point of view And that’s because we don’t have the weight of a powerful industry behind us and that industry is driving all these reports and pulling the wool over the eyes of journalists and media outlets, please for level playing ground consider asking your editor to allow you or one of your colleagues to do interviews with drivers and get their perspective, because I can see what’s coming and that is there will be a headline soon that screams “Drivers hold U.K. to ransom” and will be an attack on drivers orchestrated by the industry fat cats!

    It will do untold damage in the eyes of the public and probably lead to more drivers quitting for good exasperating this current situation thank you for your time!

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    HUGE HUGS Bill x

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    This farmer claims there's plenty of food in the UK and Europe but the food is being bought and destroyed.
    The farmer gives no indication of where he gets his information..."It's going to be bought in bulk and destroyed" ..

    The logistics of this are mind-blowing and virtually impossible to carry out ... 600M people in Europe .. if each person consumes 1 Kg of fresh veg a week , that's 600,000 tonnes ... Around 50,000 truck loads of food has to be dumped ... Where? ... in land fill ? ...50.000 truck drivers diverted to land fill sites instead of going to food depots ! Do you think they could keep that secret???

    They are trying to sabotage food supply , but the only way I can see this happening is a massive cyber attack , electric power disrupted , petrol disrupted no communication .. There is a constant stream of cyber attack news to get people used to this idea ... here's an article from BBC today ! ... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57703836

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    Quote Posted by oz93666 (here)
    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    This farmer claims there's plenty of food in the UK and Europe but the food is being bought and destroyed.
    ...
    They are trying to sabotage food supply , but the only way I can see this happening is a massive cyber attack , electric power disrupted , petrol disrupted no communication .. There is a constant stream of cyber attack news to get people used to this idea ... here's an article from BBC today ! ... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57703836
    The coop supermarket network in Sweden was hit by the same cyber attack from US, they use the same software, they have around 800 stores, 500 was closed because all terminals stopped working, since they do not accept cash as payment, shutdown operation until mitigate the problem is the only option.
    --
    A chaos to the sense, a Kosmos to the reason.

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    Quote Posted by oz93666 (here)
    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    This farmer claims there's plenty of food in the UK and Europe but the food is being bought and destroyed.
    The farmer gives no indication of where he gets his information..."It's going to be bought in bulk and destroyed" ..

    The logistics of this are mind-blowing and virtually impossible to carry out ... 600M people in Europe .. if each person consumes 1 Kg of fresh veg a week , that's 600,000 tonnes ... Around 50,000 truck loads of food has to be dumped ... Where? ... in land fill ? ...50.000 truck drivers diverted to land fill sites instead of going to food depots ! Do you think they could keep that secret???

    They are trying to sabotage food supply , but the only way I can see this happening is a massive cyber attack , electric power disrupted , petrol disrupted no communication .. There is a constant stream of cyber attack news to get people used to this idea ... here's an article from BBC today ! ... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57703836
    All valid points, until there's concrete evidence we can't confirm this.

    Does anyone remember the EEC's butter mountains and wine lakes of the 1970's? That was a huge scandal when it broke... in order to keep prices high to maintain farmers' profits the EEC (European Economic Community, that later morphed into the EU) bought a load of surplus produce and stored it. Obviously they could only keep it for so long, then it went to waste.

    Possibly the 'mountain depots' still exist.

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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Quote Posted by oz93666 (here)
    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    This farmer claims there's plenty of food in the UK and Europe but the food is being bought and destroyed.
    The farmer gives no indication of where he gets his information..."It's going to be bought in bulk and destroyed" ..

    The logistics of this are mind-blowing and virtually impossible to carry out ... 600M people in Europe .. if each person consumes 1 Kg of fresh veg a week , that's 600,000 tonnes ... Around 50,000 truck loads of food has to be dumped ... Where? ... in land fill ? ...50.000 truck drivers diverted to land fill sites instead of going to food depots ! Do you think they could keep that secret???

    They are trying to sabotage food supply , but the only way I can see this happening is a massive cyber attack , electric power disrupted , petrol disrupted no communication .. There is a constant stream of cyber attack news to get people used to this idea ... here's an article from BBC today ! ... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57703836
    All valid points, until there's concrete evidence we can't confirm this.

    Does anyone remember the EEC's butter mountains and wine lakes of the 1970's? That was a huge scandal when it broke... in order to keep prices high to maintain farmers' profits the EEC (European Economic Community, that later morphed into the EU) bought a load of surplus produce and stored it. Obviously they could only keep it for so long, then it went to waste.

    Possibly the 'mountain depots' still exist.
    Fair enough, feels right to me. Looking over the opening post and the rest of the thread I'd like to nominate we change the thread title to Rumours of manufactured food shortages

    From Bill:
    I added a '?' to the title, which definitely seems fair.

    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 4th July 2021 at 11:07.

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    Quote Posted by oz93666 (here)
    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    This farmer claims there's plenty of food in the UK and Europe but the food is being bought and destroyed.
    The farmer gives no indication of where he gets his information..."It's going to be bought in bulk and destroyed" ..

    The logistics of this are mind-blowing and virtually impossible to carry out ... 600M people in Europe .. if each person consumes 1 Kg of fresh veg a week , that's 600,000 tonnes ... Around 50,000 truck loads of food has to be dumped ... Where? ... in land fill ? ...50.000 truck drivers diverted to land fill sites instead of going to food depots ! Do you think they could keep that secret???

    They are trying to sabotage food supply , but the only way I can see this happening is a massive cyber attack , electric power disrupted , petrol disrupted no communication .. There is a constant stream of cyber attack news to get people used to this idea ... here's an article from BBC today ! ... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57703836
    There is a similar requirement for drivers here. to undergo a 15 hours seminar. Its obvious that they are trying to immobilize people with all the restrictions and requirements. drivers are prime movers so they are targeting this group.

    You dont have to dump all of those truckloads. a little percentage will do add to that the lack of drivers and covid restrictions and other strategies...

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    Have you considered the possibility that this "hit them here and hit them there with something else" has come out of a one percenters' THINK TANK TEAM to engineer disasterous conditions of CONTROL by the money barons to some future advantage?

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