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    Default Spirituality in its essence....

    Hey God,
    if there is a a god, I would appreciate some communication to let us know that you exist.
    How about it?
    If we get no reply we will know that you do not in fact exist.

    We, as humans are waiting .
    Will you, finally, after centauries, admit that you do not exist. (How could you admit you do not exist if you do not?)

    So, we will never know either way.
    In the long run It is up to us to decide, as it should be.

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    Maybe you are God and asking yourself
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    What if, let's say, one time loooooooooong ago, you just said "To hell with this" (pun intended) and said "I'm God, i can do whatever i want, so i'm going to stop being God and enjoy a different life", then you erased your memories and then you came here and joined Avalon

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    Good friend of mine said to me once:

    "If God is KNOWN to exist ... no believe-system is necessary ... we all just know".
    (ultimately it is all semantics & perceptions all created by humans).

    cheers,
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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Hey God,
    if there is a a god, I would appreciate some communication to let us know that you exist.
    How about it?
    If we get no reply we will know that you do not in fact exist.
    God is way ahead of you Sun ... He has already communicated very loud and clear ... answering any question you might have , Is Epstein still alive? ...were the moon landing s fake? is covid real ... UFO's ? Aliens?

    These questions and answers have already be logged and filed and are available to you ....

    But aside from questions , God has something he want's to say to you ... I'll paraphrase it for you ....

    Humanity is in a critical position ... The outside forces that have been manipulating you for thousands of years are now board with the game and plan complete extermination (just taking a few million as slaves) ... These ET are millions of years old and so advanced you cannot imagine , telepathic , psychic , have access to the Akashic records , have time travel and advanced mind control .. they cannot be defeated by any physical opposition ..But they have one blind spot and humanity has one ace card ...

    You have the ability to partner with the Divine Realm , But in this free will reality you have to ask ! If you don't ask for help it's taken as an indication you want to do things alone ..AND THAT CHOICE WILL BE RESPECTED.

    So first you have to believe there is a Divine Realm (God) , then invite a partnership ... The Prayer most effective for saving humanity from destruction goes something like this ...

    "Creator God .... Partner with me in sending Divine love and healing to the dark forces oppressing humanity , May they be uplifted and depart from our world ."
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    "If Prime Creator created EVERYTHING ... then everything that comes from it is off it" (like sparks of a fire).
    • still so many do not get it
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Good friend of mine said to me once:

    "If God is KNOWN to exist ... no believe-system is necessary ... we all just know".
    (ultimately it is all semantics & perceptions all created by humans).

    cheers,
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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Good friend of mine said to me once:

    "If God is KNOWN to exist ... no believe-system is necessary ... we all just know".
    (ultimately it is all semantics & perceptions all created by humans).


    cheers,
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    I don't listen to that kind of crap.
    Nobody asks that of you ... it is just a different perception ... other perspectives ... other way of looking at things ... discussing concepts ... nobody asks you to "accept" any of it ... it is just a different way of looking at things without demanding "one way of thinking" ... and if you do not listen how can you judge what the real intent was/is of the illustrated story/insights.
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    Do you want to think of God, as a single entity, like a person, with personality and likes/dislikes of things? Or have you wondered if God is something else, not absolutely human-like?

    What's your take on that?


    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Good friend of mine said to me once:

    "If God is KNOWN to exist ... no believe-system is necessary ... we all just know".
    (ultimately it is all semantics & perceptions all created by humans).

    cheers,
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    Quote Posted by oz93666 (here)
    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Hey God,
    if there is a a god, I would appreciate some communication to let us know that you exist.
    How about it?
    If we get no reply we will know that you do not in fact exist.
    God is way ahead of you Sun ... He has already communicated very loud and clear ... answering any question you might have , Is Epstein still alive? ...were the moon landing s fake? is covid real ... UFO's ? Aliens?

    These questions and answers have already be logged and filled and are available to you ....

    But aside from questions , God has something he want's to say to you ... I'll paraphrase it for you ....

    Humanity is in a critical position ... The outside forces that have been manipulating you for thousands of years are now board with the game and plan complete extermination (just taking a few million as slaves) ... These ET are millions of years old and so advanced you cannot imagine , telepathic , psychic , have access to the Akashic records , have time travel and advanced mind control .. they cannot be defeated by any physical opposition ..But they have one blind spot and humanity has one ace card ...

    You have the ability to partner with the Divine Realm , But in this free will reality you have to ask ! If you don't ask for help it's taken as an indication you want to do things alone ..AND THAT CHOICE WILL BE RESPECTED.

    So first you have to believe there is a Divine Realm (God) , then invite a partnership ... The Prayer most effective for saving humanity from destruction goes something like this ...

    "Creator God .... Partner with me in sending Divine love and healing to the dark forces oppressing humanity , May they be uplifted and depart from our world ."
    Sorry, but you are not the voice of God as much as you would like to be. You sound like Bill actually but are not.
    Question Everything, always speak truth... Make the best of today, for there may not be a tomorrow!!! But, that's OK because tomorrow never comes, so we have nothing to worry about!!!

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    "If Prime Creator created EVERYTHING ... then everything that comes from it is off it" (like sparks of a fire).
    • still so many do not get it
    cheers,
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    Who was the philosopher who said that "if God did not exist we would have to invent him."
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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    "If Prime Creator created EVERYTHING ... then everything that comes from it is off it" (like sparks of a fire).

    • still so many do not get it

    cheers,
    John
    Who was the philosopher who said that "if God did not exist we would have to invent him."
    Having concepts that can assist in deep philosophical questions does NOT mean we claim it "must be true" but rather using certain logic in the "what if" that even hard core believers can agree upon ... It is called common sense and some of the common sense takes away the elitism attitude of some fanatics.
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    It was actually

    "Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer"

    It was on "The Three Impostors", which was an atheistic work by an unknown person

    Voltaire did not write that, he quoted it


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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    ..Sorry, but you are not the voice of God as much as you would like to be. You sound like Bill actually but are not.
    I am not the voice of God! ...I never said I was ...There is only one person who claims to speak the voice of God/Creator ...Others speak for the Pleiadians , or Seth or Ra .. but only one person claims to speak for Creator/God ... So nothing is withheld from you , you wanted the voice of God , so here it is.
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    "If Prime Creator created EVERYTHING ... then everything that comes from it is off it" (like sparks of a fire).
    • still so many do not get it
    cheers,
    John
    Thanks John,

    The most important word there is, "IF"

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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
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    "If Prime Creator created EVERYTHING ... then everything that comes from it is off it" (like sparks of a fire).
    • still so many do not get it
    cheers,
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    Thanks John,

    The most important word there is, "IF"

    ES
    And to build upon that further "IF" Prime Creator is not the original creator of everything then that begs the question who was really first

    If I create an autonomous Quantum A.I. Robot having the freedom to do what it deems fit/necessary >>> even things I can not produce myself nor think of myself >>> it literately outgrows my expectations ... who is CORE responsible for all of its aftermaths? ... Who was first? ... me or the Quantum A.I. Robot?

    The problem could be that I created something that I have no power to correct nor power to solve it ... so if the Prime Creator made a similar "mistake" we all assume Prime Creator has always the last word the last judgement and has always the power to fix anything ... right?

    So when one third of the Heavens were at war in a place that suppose to be "perfect" & "flawless" .. Why were those Fallen Angels banned/outcasted in to the Earth ... why not Pluto or any other Exo-Planet? ... Is the Universe not big enough?

    It is like we suppose to be "God's children" and we are mixed with predatory pedophiles ... What do you expect what is going to happen next?

    If you let your children go to a school where it is known that one of the teachers is a convicted pedophile ... who is core-responsible for anything bad that can happen in the future at that school?

    disclaimer:
    • By the way I do not claim that I am so sure that anything of the above really happened ... I just want to point out the flaws in plane logic & common sense of assumed paradoxical assumptions so many believers have and I never get any real satisfactory answers ever ...
    How I see it ... (my perspectives):

    We are all allowed to experience a level of consciousness as a mirror of our actions, choices & (constructive & destructive) beliefs .. that has NO EFFECT on other level of consciousness ... just like your firewall can create a sub-virtual hard drive space that is in quarantine and test if any program is harmful or not.

    So in essence: if it turns out that we all are "spiritually tested"... makes perfectly sense to me.

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    I hope this post fits into the discussion you folk have been having. But anyway it expresses one take I have on
    what is the essence of spirituality.

    Actually, I would argue that all discussion of spirituality should start with or from what has been your own
    experience, or with the best interpretations of your experience that you have been able to work out for yourself.
    Maybe you won't be able to defend your own interpretations, but still you know absolutely that what you experienced
    was real (assuming you were reasonably sane, and hopefully not on some drug).

    For instance, as far as I'm concerned, I know for certain that there are entire, vast divine worlds (rather than
    some single, personal "grandparent" God/ Creator). I also know, from experience since my early adolescence, that
    these divine worlds interpenetrate absolutely everything and everyone, and that they lie on a level of reality deeper (or
    higher, or much fuller and more powerful) than the formless worlds, which in turn far lie deeper and beyond the worlds of
    "the known", BUT they also seem to totally control what happens, or can happen, in the sphere of the known, which is also known
    as the world of form(s). The world of forms contains the mental, emotional, and physical worlds, among others.

    I also know for certain that each human being is infinite, ever so infinite and limitless in various but not all ways,
    in his or her inner nature, and in so many ways, know it or not.

    Part of the problem is that verbal discussion is already by its nature limited down to the mental worlds, and hence
    to the worlds of form. Some aspects of supposed "randomness" or supposed "chaos" will indeed be exanples of the
    formless acting on the world of form. But you can't capture the formless fully in words or theories. that would
    be mistaking the finger that's pointing at the moon for the moon itself. Also, in the world of mathematical logic
    it's well known and proved that many meaningful (i.e., "well-formed" and "well-defined", to use the mathematical
    logic jargon) questions are undecidable. In other words, there simply exists no correct answer to these perfectly
    un-nonsensical mathematical questions. That's another example of the formless worlds having their way over the
    world of forms.

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    You need eyes to see and ears to listen. When you pick a grain of sand or a leaf or a flower, that's God communicating to you.

    Everywhere that you look you see the Creator. Do you need human words and voices to tell you something more?

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    What if, let's say, one time loooooooooong ago, you just said "To hell with this" (pun intended) and said "I'm God, i can do whatever i want, so i'm going to stop being God and enjoy a different life", then you erased your memories and then you came here and joined Avalon

    #Whatif
    like He did in this movie, living 3 different at the time...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nines

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    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)
    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    What if, let's say, one time loooooooooong ago, you just said "To hell with this" (pun intended) and said "I'm God, i can do whatever i want, so i'm going to stop being God and enjoy a different life", then you erased your memories and then you came here and joined Avalon

    #Whatif
    like He did in this movie, living 3 different at the time...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nines
    For me, it says the wiki page doesnt' exist.. :/

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