Vaxx is creating a HUGE divide among families / friends

[Spellbound]

My father has vascular dementia, which has been coming on for a couple years now. Last April (2020) he suffered a stroke, for which he has never recovered. He is a shadow of his former self (lost cognitive skills, can hardly speak, etc). He and my stepmother live in a condo in Burlingon (half hour away from me). Both he and my step mother are in their early to late 70's).

Unfortunately, all you see or hear in the MSM here in Canada is fear, vaxx, etc. As such, both my father and step mother have bought into what "they" are selling, hook...line....and sinker. Both have been vaccinated. Both have a rabid fear of coming into contact with anyone for fear of catching Covid.

My step mother has made it clear to me that unless I get vaxxed....I can not enter their condo, or see either of them face to face. I explained that I refuse to vaccinated, but both of them hold their position on this issue. I asked if I could see them outside the condo in the open air....but was refused. I asked if I could come over to see them if I got tested....but was refused ("you could be asymptomatic"...which I don't believe).

The last time I saw my father was last December...a few days before Christmas...standing in front of their condo for 10 minutes...20 feet apart.

I feel so sad because in all likelyhood, I will never see my father again face to face.

I have heard similar stories from others...be it their families (like mine)....or their friends....and the huge divide that is happening as a result of the vaccination issue.

It pains me to great lengths what is happening to society in general. This divide is getting larger and larger....and imo, is beyond repair at this point. It's become an "us vs them" mentality....and it is worldwide.

I love my father...and I miss him greatly. He was my rock, my foundation, my idol....and pretty soon he will not recognize me and unless I submit to being vaxxed, I will never see him again.

I am so very very sad.

Dave - Toronto

[thepainterdoug]

Dave, this is heartbreaking and powerful. Im sorry to hear this and feel what you are going thru
This is happening on many levels all across our world. we are being divided thru fear. Fear being sold as truth. and if your smart educated and awake, it seems a curse to be able to see.
It is so painful to have to live with this divide. I see and feel it every day

How do you tell the vaxxer, convinced they are right, that they are so wrong? How do you do this? They are convinced you and I have been taken over, brainwashed into conspiracy, and then how do you find common ground? How do you even negotiate whatever truth is? You cant!

I am distrought and holding on. i have read and seen so much about what this agenda is, and I have witnessed it , boots on the ground. NO one in my town, no homeless, no drifters , none dying, no word of anyone dying anywhere from covid. This is a bring out your dead pandemic? really? Not even close.

I only know one person personally who died, weak and sickly, and do we really know from what?

And any other year, people died from flu but no one knew, no one spoke or spread the word or even cared. The majority are so controlled by a few talking points on the news. My GOD, WHAT IS HAPPENING ??

A good friend related to ufology and if I said his name all would know, just told me his wifes brothers both had the vaxx, gloating how they got it and eveyone should. Today I got a call from him. Both brothers are nowin the same hospital. One with a brain tumor, the other a heart attack, and now with paralysis. This is not a movie, this is not a joke! THIS IS REAL.

And soon these fema a holes coming to our door? Really? To ask a perfectly healthy sane person if they are vaxxed? For ****ing what???????

we are living and entering the end days.

[pyrangello]

Fortunately in my world family and friends have not made this an issue, there is small talk but usually that's all. Dave yeah I understand all the way what's happening in your world. And Doug, i.m seeing issues with many of my friends and neighbors who took this crap in their arm. Tonight I was over my buddies house to take him some dinner, Jim is a retired steel worker 91 years young, it's been 2 months since he took this jab and his arm still hurts, he's pissed about this whole thing.

Then there's my neighbors behind me and great friends, both got the shots , both are having issues, her not being able to turn her neck either way , and him blood pressure and cholesterol sky high and a problem with his foot and walking now.

Then theres another buddy of mine , he and his girlfriend took the jab 2 mont he a go , he an engineer and she aa teacher. My buddy who is 53 came down with prostate cancer in the early stage but went to the hospital 2 days ago for extreme arthritis that he could hardly even walk. They don't know what's going on with him in the hospital and looks bad.

Another good friend of mine who is 75, a Vietnam vet, steel worker took the shot 3 months ago , he's been sickly and in and out of the hospital 3 times now , 2 times for a week each. He was so sick last week he was just telling me he had a hospital flu. I just kept my mouth shut.

All of this sucks , just watching this happen right in front of you and all you can do is be there for support and just listen.and as we all are concerned about is this clock ticking to a countdown when the next flu season starts, i pray not for all of us .

[Patient]

My heart goes out to everyone that has had to endure these awful situations where common sense has left those that we love dearly.

This psi-op of messing with people's minds has worked so well that so many peoples' minds are just broken.

I keep coming back to this point, and I know people have asked other people...."If you got the vaccine and now feel that you did the right thing for your self, what are you afraid of? Why do you think you will get sick from a person who didn't get the shot?"


I have asked people myself and the people that got the vaccine can't answer the question. Their mind seems to shut down for a second and then they change the subject or just turn back to "You need to get the vaccine!"

We are fighting against a massive mind control operation. Without being able to isolate and deprogram them, I don't know that there is anything we can do to help them.

[Apulu]

Goodness Dave that sounds full on to say the least. Bizarre and confronting times! Off the scale really.

I don't mean to sound flippant, as this situation is quite obviously going to be huge for you right now, but perhaps it's a good thing that it's happening now. Instead of later.

Whilst I don't know exactly what you mean by it painterdoug, I think you might be right: end times they are. It's certainly the ending of one world, and the beginning of another. Hopefully a better one, when the dust begins to settle.

We have, quite obviously, entered the twighlight zone, and I'm bracing myself: if we thought the past year was nuts, what do you think the next 12 months are going to be like?!! I feel a bit weird saying that, but I'm trying as best I can to be realistic.

Perhaps the only thing we can do sometimes is prepare ourselves mentally, spiritually and emotionally for what happens, and what might be about to happen.

I predict that in the coming years, the world is going to need people who have stared the truth of this situation in the face - already.... quietly said a kind of goodbye to loved ones - already, even though they might still be around. You don't want to be experiencing immense emotional upheaval at the same time as things starting to really break down, if they do...

God I can't believe I'm saying all this but there you go... I just can't see how this situation is going to pan out without getting 10 times crazier first. God help those people who have only a mainstream narrative idea of what's happening.

My parents, sister and brother in law are vaxxed - there is no bad feeling between us and there's no fear from them of me not being jabbed but none the less it was really hard to watch them make their choices. I've had to go through a sort of emotional detachment and letting go because I feel I've somehow lost them. It's hard to explain. Even if they're all fine throughout this. They're still buying this nonsense and it no longer feels like I can speak freely about what I really think is happening, even as we start to enter the lands of true high-strangeness. It wasn't exactly easy before that it has to be said

By the way my Dad is a professor of infectious disease. That's a real face palm. I was having quite good and honest debates with him before he got vacxxed but now.... I don't seem to know what to say to him. Like I say, I kind of feel like I've lost him already. I hope this doesn't sound uncaring - it saddened me a lot and this is the feeling I've been left with. Perhaps it will change.

And yeah, without wanting to sound like an end-of-the-world scare junky.... this may be just the beginning...

[Frankie Pancakes]

We are fighting against a massive mind control operation. Without being able to isolate and deprogram them, I don't know that there is anything we can do to help them.

My sister in law is completely Fauccied. Ignored information sent. I sent several articles to a friend who indicated he was getting the shot. Saw him in person and asked if he had read any of it. No he hadn't. Did not want to know anything other than what he knew. I said to him "I'm done with it." To paraphrase Catlin Johnstone I feel like digging a hole and yelling into it. Same results.
At least at present no one I know and there are now many are not showing problems.

[TravelerJim]

So very sorry to hear the above from Dave and others. The vax is all about Transhumanism. It is another step in a process towards a reworking of what it means to be human.

I have lost many friends and family members in the last few years due to dementia and Alzheimers. Their minds were gone before their bodies gave out. In the last years of their lives, I did not view them as being what they once were. The same is true here at many levels wrt the covid debate. The people who have bought into all of this are not the same. It may be more subtle than what happens with dementia and Alzheimers, but it is still quite real.

[Pam]

I have worked for a animal rescue group for years. I have done extensive work there in many capacities. One of the things they do is sell items at community fairs and Saturday markets, which I always enjoyed doing it. Last week, just days before a big event the director sent an email out stating that all volunteers must be vaccinated.

I decided this was my time to be courageous or stick my head in the sand (which I have done many times in my life). I sent them an email stating I wasn't vaccinated and the reasons I am concerned about the safety and efficacy using government stats and no personal opinions. I received an email back simply stating that I have been removed from the volunteer roster. That was it. Summarily dismissed.

I was pretty sure this was going to be the outcome. In effect, I am telling them something they have done could be very dangerous to their health. I imagine they perceived what I said as either crazy, snooty or something else. Anything other than researching what I said to validate or invalidate it.

Admittedly, I had momentary regret but it was followed by something else. Something very powerful. Doing what I perceive to be the right, just, loving thing to do regardless of the consequences. I have in many respects been cowardly most of my life. I liked to think of it as being nice. I don't have to give up being nice. I want the nice to emanate from a place of love and not from using niceness as a survival tool.

I am so sorry that families are being torn apart by programming and fear. I guess I have been fortunate that I am still on speaking terms with my family. My sister is refusing vaccination and my brother, a gung ho high "official" with a government health department is sold on all the programming, so is his doctor wife. In spite of that they have invited my sister and I over a couple of times. Normally those invites would entail her extended family and a small group of other people. Now the invites are just my sister and I and their son because he live with my sister. Either at some level they don't believe the hype or they are putting us before their fear, which would be cool.

Anyway, my challenges are minor compared to Dave. I am so very sorry, Dave.

If nothing else this madness has given us a golden opportunity do do the thing we believe is right, whatever comes....I love you guys.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I am feeling this division in my family. My oldest sister told me I am no longer welcome at her house, well until I get the shot, which I will not do. Even after our brother died from the shot.

My best friend, told me we are no longer friends. We have been friends since high school. Lately she has been speaking to me via text because she is very ill from the shot and scared. But she will not allow me to come to her house.

I will admit, I have lied to two of my sisters. They said "of course you got the shot" and I simply said "of course". I will be in trouble I suppose if they talk to the other sister.

It hurts my heart Dave, and I see no solution.

Oddly enough, I was in town this weekend and texted an old friend and she said, "oh yes, come by....but only if you are NOT vaxxed".

[janette]

My heart extends to you Dave and everyone else who's suffering with family issues. Their minds have been programmed so incredibly well that only when they have passed on they will see the truth. I too have vaxxed family..my twin girls 20yrs and boyfriend (all living with us)..my brother and his wife have had it. My God if they only knew the truth on what it's doing to their bodies 😭. Thankfully none of them have had any side effects yet and I have purchased pine needles which I make the tea with daily for them along with vit d and charcoal. I pray a lot these days,it's the only comfort that keeps me sane in these tragic times ..God bless you all 💖

[All is one]

Same here all the people I was close to got vaccinated
(even though they suspected the vaccinations to be unhealthy).
I try to keep my distance because of the shedding
(and still try to keep being stand by for if/when they get health issues). ...

They really do not comprehend what's going on, even if you tell & show them all the info. A lot of people are fearful; dumbed down and indoctrinated in all the lies (or comply because they want to enjoy life again) ...

This to the extend that very recently the parents of one of my best friends started aggressively name calling me because I’ve not been vaxxed yet. These are normally very warm and kind people. … Right now their brain seems to be under complete control and they can not think for themselves anymore, like a lot of other folks.

Looking at what’s going on we must keep in to account that the “elite” will probably not halt their plans any time soon. The situation we’re in now is huge and can not be underestimated.

[RunningDeer]

It’s been a challenge to be around family and friends. With each new visit there’s more ground rules on what not to talk about. My sister-in-law is a hospital administrator. Her daughter-in-law is a nurse. So my brother and nephew believe it’s the covid virus that kills.

My last visit I managed to ask my brother’s stepsons who are 22 and 24 years old if they got the shot. They both answered “no”. And said “no” again when my brother suggested that they get it. I congratulated them and added that there’s so much info out there on what’s really going on, but you’re not going to get from the mainstream outlets. It was a perfect opportunity to add how accounts are automatically suspended at places like Facebook, Youtube, Twitter. And that it’s not only the topic of covid but it’s so, so much more.

I ended the conversation by directing my question to my brother, before my sister-in-law piped in with “off-limits topics”. “Did you know that even President Trump’s Twitter account was suspended, and any news outlets that runs his speeches and interviews are quickly taken down, and often their accounts are suspended? My brother shook his head ‘no’. I ended with, “The mainstream media only wants you to know the things they want you to know.”

It's a challenge and exhausting to talk in quick, sound bites. It’s an even greater challenge to not say anything. When it's time to leave, I can't help but wonder if this is the last time I'll see them. Who will be the next one to go?

[Bassplayer1]

Hi Dave and hello from Kitchener!

My heart goes out to you and I really want you to be ok.

With the exception of three friends and a few neighbours in my building, all my family and friends are double-vaxxed - even my husband!

Anyway, I hope to be able to articulate some thoughts I've had today in response to thoughts/observations expressed by some Avalonians as well as in Youtube comments etc. Apologies in advance for any rambling!

Myself and many of us here have noticed this weird blankness when we speak of a Truth to (some, not all) vaxxed people (unless they are angry and defensive!) I think we've all experienced vaxxed folk (some, not all), blankly drifting off into another subject when we try to draw their attention to stuff. I've observed that sometimes it really is like 'the lights are on and no one at home.' This isn't everyone, but some folk.

I see all the time in YouTube/Bitchute videos, many of the 'Truth' folk going on about 'The sheep' and 'Those of us who are awake' etc. I personally feel that we should consider taking a break from using the term 'sheep.'

I've been thinking about programming and mind control. David Icke has often talked about kind, loving parents being programmed and passing it onto children, and then by the time the child goes into the school system, not to mention the relentless children's TV programs and adverts etc, they are already programmed.

Perhaps even factor in the flouride, chemtrails, chemical garbage in food, sugar etc. NOT TO MENTION THE SHEER NUMBER VACCINES CHILDREN HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO!!!!! There's been a never-ending assault on humanity from birth.

Then there is the TV and subliminal stuff ... Now, my lay-mans understanding is that the way to suggestively program stuff into the subconscious is through relentless confusion. For example, bombarding folk 24/7 with Covid stuff and the yoyo-ing of in-out of lockdown, the confusion of the revolving door of 'experts' giving us fear based scenarios . One expert says 'this' and another expert says 'that', throwing us every which way with never ending info. Am I right in thinking that once the brain is confused, there is a 'back door' so to speak, that suggestions and programming can be sent through to the subconscious?

So, what my ramble is trying to say, is that perhaps (some, not all) vaccinated folk were initially programmed to 'switch off' when certain trigger words are used with regard to the vaccine and questioning the Covid narrative?

This then got me thinking about Cathy O Brien and her book Tranceformation of America which I read a few years ago and her personal journey of de-programming with the skill and experience of her husband.

Just before the first 'lockdown' I was listening to Cathy being interviewed by Richie Allen. She talked about another book she has written which offers help for ex Service men and women, on how to de-program from what was done to them and all the horror.

I haven't read that book but I think I recall her explaining that it offers step-by-step help on how to de-program.

I'm wondering if a process similar to the help in Cathy O Brien's book is something of a possible way forward through all this for some people? As I say, I haven't read this book, I'm just recalling her discussion and wondering.

I'm tired of Bitchute folk going on about 'the sheep needing to wake up.' It's becoming repetitive and harsh, not to mention just as divisive as anything coming out of the mainstream. I wonder if any folk who are programmed can't just simply 'wake-up' but actually need to be compassionately helped and deprogrammed?

Many of these so called 'sheep' are actually our kind, intelligent loved ones and friends. Something has happened along the way with them.

Why are some people just not able to be programmed and others are?

Some people may never be shocked out of the narrative if they've been programmed. It may take skilled folk to de-program and unravel all this.

As always, if you've read this far, thank you. I'm sharing thoughts, I'm no expert and welcome any experienced people who maybe able to correct me or articulate things better.

[Gwin Ru]

Posted by Bassplayer1 (here)
[...]

Perhaps even factor in the flouride, chemtrails, chemical garbage in food, sugar etc. NOT TO MENTION THE SHEER NUMBER VACCINES CHILDREN HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO!!!!! There's been a never-ending assault on humanity from birth.

Then there is the TV and subliminal stuff ... Now, my lay-mans understanding is that the way to suggestively program stuff into the subconscious is through relentless confusion. For example, bombarding folk 24/7 with Covid stuff and the yoyo-ing of in-out of lockdown, the confusion of the revolving door of 'experts' giving us fear based scenarios . One expert says 'this' and another expert says 'that', throwing us every which way with never ending info. Am I right in thinking that once the brain is confused, there is a 'back door' so to speak, that suggestions and programming can be sent through to the subconscious?

[...]

Check this thread: How to Drill-in Propaganda into any Public's Mind where I just added and interview with Cathy O'Brien.

BTW, I agree with your assessment of "the sheeple", "people need to understand", etc., as it ends up being equally as contemptuous as the 1%'s conviction towards the rest of humanity. A "what needs to be understood/recognized/acknowledged..." is far less offensive and may avoid entrenchments since it doesn't insert an automatic divide between a Moron and a Mensa? As Cathy O'Brien states: "It doesn't help to keep blaming others or circumstances, seeking a solution is far better and liberating." (paraphrased)

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Bassplayer1 (here)
This then got me thinking about Cathy O Brien and her book Tranceformation of America which I read a few years ago and her personal journey of de-programming with the skill and experience of her husband.

Just before the first 'lockdown' I was listening to Cathy being interviewed by Richie Allen. She talked about another book she has written which offers help for ex Service men and women, on how to de-program from what was done to them and all the horror.

I haven't read that book but I think I recall her explaining that it offers step-by-step help on how to de-program.

Cathy O’Brien’s latest book, “PTSD: Time to Heal,” is only 92 pages and within those are places for notes. There’s no “Table of Contents”, so I’ve added one below.

Table of Contents

1. Time to heal - 8
2. Writing Wrongs - 12
3. Safety First - 15
4. Triggers - 19
5. Food for Thought - 26
6. Deprogram the Program First - 33
7. Well Being and Being Well - 39
8. Coping Skills - 45
9. Break Routine - 51
10. Perceptions and Semantics - 57
11. Deep Listen - 63
12. Dust Pieces and Reflection - 68
13. Loving Support - 72
14. Brain Games - 76
15. Sexuality and Living Love True-to-Soul - 81
16. People Helping People - 85
17. PTSD: Time to Heal - quick review for writing out memory - 91

Summary:

25 year veteran US Government Whistleblowers Mark and Cathy are arming you with the self-applying concise facts they teach leading mental health professionals worldwide. Whether your traumatic experience peaks the top of PTSD's sliding scale the way Cathy's Pentagon level MK Ultra mind control programming did; or even if it is simply resultant from socially engineered information control and fears, this book is for you. These step by step healing methods intelligence insider Mark Phillips taught Cathy can help anyone willing to reclaim control over their own mind and life just as she did. Internalize the knowledge in PTSD: Time to Heal, and realize peace of mind through truth that makes us free!

[All is one]

I also think mind control is one of the big issues creating the divide between family and friends with the vaxx program.

Looked up how to deprogram someone (which is quite a difficult subject).

In short: softly and unnoticeably making friends aware of what they’re going through and putting it to question etc. might after a while give results with some people. But will not directly easy the situation.

I think also using some key words to get them out their state might help with some people …


5 Steps for deprogramming

Sylvia Buford, an associate of Ted Patrick who has assisted him on many deprogrammings, described five stages of deprogramming:[21]

- Discredit the figure of authority: the cult leader
- Present contradictions (ideology versus reality): "How can he preach love when he exploits people?" is an example.
- The breaking point: When a subject begins to listen to the deprogrammer; when reality begins to take precedence over ideology.
- Self-expression: When the subject begins to open up and voice gripes against the cult.
- Identification and transference: when the subject begins to identify with the deprogrammers, starts to think as an opponent of the cult rather than as a member.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming

At the moment don't know any better solutions ...

[Bassplayer1]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Bassplayer1 (here)
This then got me thinking about Cathy O Brien and her book Tranceformation of America which I read a few years ago and her personal journey of de-programming with the skill and experience of her husband.

Just before the first 'lockdown' I was listening to Cathy being interviewed by Richie Allen. She talked about another book she has written which offers help for ex Service men and women, on how to de-program from what was done to them and all the horror.

I haven't read that book but I think I recall her explaining that it offers step-by-step help on how to de-program.

Cathy O’Brien’s latest book, “PTSD: Time to Heal,” is only 92 pages and within those are places for notes. There’s no “Table of Contents”, so I’ve added one below.

Table of Contents

1. Time to heal - 8
2. Writing Wrongs - 12
3. Safety First - 15
4. Triggers - 19
5. Food for Thought - 26
6. Deprogram the Program First - 33
7. Well Being and Being Well - 39
8. Coping Skills - 45
9. Break Routine - 51
10. Perceptions and Semantics - 57
11. Deep Listen - 63
12. Dust Pieces and Reflection - 68
13. Loving Support - 72
14. Brain Games - 76
15. Sexuality and Living Love True-to-Soul - 81
16. People Helping People - 85
17. PTSD: Time to Heal - quick review for writing out memory - 91

Summary:

25 year veteran US Government Whistleblowers Mark and Cathy are arming you with the self-applying concise facts they teach leading mental health professionals worldwide. Whether your traumatic experience peaks the top of PTSD's sliding scale the way Cathy's Pentagon level MK Ultra mind control programming did; or even if it is simply resultant from socially engineered information control and fears, this book is for you. These step by step healing methods intelligence insider Mark Phillips taught Cathy can help anyone willing to reclaim control over their own mind and life just as she did. Internalize the knowledge in PTSD: Time to Heal, and realize peace of mind through truth that makes us free!

Thank you Running Deer - this is the book!!! Thank you! I had no idea it was for everyone, I thought it related to ex Service Men and Women.
THank you for taking the time to give us the contents xx

[thepainterdoug]

You may all want to read this chilling article from The Guardian. . I put it in outline.com for ease of reading/ https://outline.com/ZnzCm7

[Mike]

That's heartbreaking stuff Dave. Really sorry you're goin thru all that.

My Dad has gently encouraged me to get the "jab". But I can almost feel him getting increasingly anxious about it lately. But it has nothing to do with him. He has faith in the vaccines. He's not worried about catching anything from me. After he was vaccinated he gave me a big hug, which is kind of out of character for him. I think it was his way of saying, I'm not going to treat you like a leper.

He wrote me a very kind, loving email last week asking me to reconsider my position. It hurts because I know he's deeply concerned for my well being, and even though I'm a 44 year old man, disappointing my Dad in any way is just about the last thing I want to do. It makes me sick to my stomach. But I just can't get that damn shot

[Tintin]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
You may all want to read this chilling article from The Guardian. . I put it in outline.com for ease of reading/ https://outline.com/ZnzCm7

Thanks

Yes, that's a great punchy piece from C.J. Hopkins, and hits the mark very well. (It's a small detail but an important distinction: it's actually an Off Guardian article )