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    Physicist and contactee Jack Sarfatti debunks the lie that the Pentagon is putting forth: "We don't know what they are".

    Sarfatti discusses the principles of physics and how they relate to the behavior of the Tic Tac and other UFO phenomena.
    OMG, I so much enjoyed that. And clearly, so did Jack Sarfatti. Even though his poor interviewer, Jim Breslo, could hardly follow him at times.


    I knew Sarfatti a little back in Serpo days, in 2006. We met a couple of times, and also exchanged emails. He was fascinated by the Serpo story as well, as almost everyone in the intel community was. I always fully appreciated him, his style, and his raw maverick intelligence.

    Back then, he was very feisty and often antagonistic. It was so great to see him now (aged 81! And I hope to be as smart as him when I reach my 80s) having mellowed quite a lot, and despite his regular digs at Hal Puthoff (who he's always regarded as a kind of dunderhead), he was actually very patient throughout the interview, laughing a great deal at everything from start to finish.

    The part that's relevant to this thread is that he states emphatically that he and others know full well how the TicTacs (and other similar craft) work and fly — and I totally believe him. And interestingly, he states that the Russians have been following his theoretical work closely for decades — and I totally believe that as well.

    The implication of that is that the TicTacs actually might be Russian craft, even if they're not American (which in my opinion has to be very possible). But to throw all that into a loop, pun intended, there's also the potential time travel dimension, which Sarfatti does his level best to explain. All wonderfully entertaining stuff to listen to.


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    I'm calling Jack Sarfatti a fraud. Jim Breslo actually asks valid intelligent questions trying to navigate through the deluge of bull**** coming off his guest who appears to make stuff up as he goes. But, he's good with names, I give him that.

    Moreover, having Bill Ryan backing up this individual only adds to my suspicions he and this platform are funded by CIA (most probably). As Jordan Maxwell once said, one can talk about everything except what really matters and they’ll even get financed and supported by the people upstairs.

    Although Ryan’s intentions are good (but constrained), it only goes to show you there is no absolute good or absolute evil but an intertwined mix serving an infinite number of agendas. Just like in marriage, disclosure is a compromise.

    I'm still grateful for having been given access to this community though.

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    having Bill Ryan backing up this individual only adds to my suspicions he and this platform are funded by CIA (most probably).
    Okay, I'm calling you out right here and asking you to explain that. In detail, please.

    I genuinely enjoyed the Sarfatti interview. It was a gas. (Did you watch it?) Jim Breslo was struggling to follow him quite a lot of the time. And I did know him, just a tiny bit. He's quite a character. Everyone who's followed his work knows this. It does sound rather as if you've only just heard of him.

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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    I watched the entire interview Bill and I stay behind my initial assessment. I've been blessed with extraordinary teachers and have met very intelligent people. Characters like Elon and Jack are just diversions for the weak mind. But that is just my opinion.

    Suspecting your platform to being funded by CIA or some other 3 letter institution probing the public's insight with or without your knowledge, is just a consequence of how I perceive some of your actions. My "sources" are my intuition and common sense, no need for a third person's thoughts on the matter.

    Bringing us together has been a gift to many of us and we are grateful to you Bill Ryan. I meant and will never mean any harm.

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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    I watched the entire interview Bill and I stay behind my initial assessment. I've been blessed with extraordinary teachers and have met very intelligent people. Characters like Elon and Jack are just diversions for the weak mind. But that is just my opinion.

    Suspecting your platform to being funded by CIA or some other 3 letter institution probing the public's insight with or without your knowledge, is just a consequence of how I perceive some of your actions. My "sources" are my intuition and common sense, no need for a third person's thoughts on the matter.

    Bringing us together has been a gift to many of us and we are grateful to you Bill Ryan. I meant and will never mean any harm.
    How could Avalon possibly be funded without my knowledge? I pay for all Avalon's costs myself: $4,800 per year, funded entirely from donations with zero monetization (which I abhor, as everyone who knows me understands). No Avalon donation has ever been anonymous in all its history. And I doubt very much if the CIA, if they ever cared to look, would be very impressed with what we all present here — let alone wanting to support it.

    Do explain, maybe drawing on your "intuition and common sense".
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    I'm calling Jack Sarfatti a fraud. Jim Breslo actually asks valid intelligent questions trying to navigate through the deluge of bull**** coming off his guest who appears to make stuff up as he goes. But, he's good with names, I give him that.

    Moreover, having Bill Ryan backing up this individual only adds to my suspicions he and this platform are funded by CIA (most probably). As Jordan Maxwell once said, one can talk about everything except what really matters and they’ll even get financed and supported by the people upstairs.

    Although Ryan’s intentions are good (but constrained), it only goes to show you there is no absolute good or absolute evil but an intertwined mix serving an infinite number of agendas. Just like in marriage, disclosure is a compromise.

    I'm still grateful for having been given access to this community though.

    I watched the video, and I felt Jack Sarfatti was doing a fairly good job to try to explain advanced physics in an interview, when he knows those hearing it will have absolutely no idea what he is saying. I got a fairly good picture of what he was suggesting as a result of that. Not only that, he cites many people who have written papers on the physics of what the question was. So others can look them up for themselves.

    I agree with Bill, it was a good watch...

    In this community, I have found that most would prefer to attack the messenger when their opinions do not follow those of the reader, rather than the person attacking actually doing the footwork to follow up on it. Attack first, follow the herd as they decapitate the offending person, then move forward. That will never get us truth.

    I am astonished that you took your opinion about the video and immediately turned it towards Bill and began to suggest he must be in bed with the CIA, merely because he enjoyed this video. He didn't ask you to believe it, only suggesting he felt it was worthy of watching. I probably shouldn't say it, but in my opinion, that was a bit rude and unnecessary. Ok, I said it.

    Did Bill himself tell you this?

    Although Ryan’s intentions are good (but constrained), it only goes to show you there is no absolute good or absolute evil but an intertwined mix serving an infinite number of agendas. Just like in marriage, disclosure is a compromise.

    Because you are implying Bill has been compromised, without any documentation, or facts to suggest as much, using the name of Jordan Maxwell as some sort of confirmation this must be true... This is your opinion, and the same thing you are accusing Jack of...

    I have watched videos in which Bill actually spoke to scientists that suggest it is possible to step out of time, move forward and backwards, and reenter.. Did you watch those videos? If not, perhaps you should, so you understand why Bill believes this is possible, before asserting publicly, that he is CIA. It's just not polite.
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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    oh ho ho ho someone got balls to accuse without providing any proof. Looking forward to see where @s7e6e goes with that.
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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    CIA is corrupted no doubt, Bill is a man off integrity, case closed. It's totally not right to insult ones integrity without evidence and only questions the motive of the one doing the attacking. I remember being accused of something that was not true, it sucks.

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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    my intuition tells me Bill is a wayshower... first wave of voluntiers who didn´t have it as easy as us, next generation. Alex Collier would be another one, Kerry Cassidy of course or David Icke and many more like Credo Mutwa ..... the first advise i did hold on to is to take the message and not the messenger. Bill´s message is one of unity, coming together, full awareness and freedom....empowerment. I don´t see how that fits into CIA agenda...lol... so much love... and thank you Bill
    I want to point out a pattern i have been aware of and this thing with Bill makes me want to do this.... in telegram groups this is happening a lot to people...forerunners.... they are been discretit in some way creating division among these groups or within the group..... and division is a clear CIA tool...isn´t it.
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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    I'm always very , very cautious of people who throw rocks . I've followed Bill way back in Camelot days when there was no Avalon forum. I've been here since the beginning in Avalon, If Bill is backed by the CIA , then my name is Bond, James Bond . I'd put my hand on the bible and swear to my grandmothers grave this man is who he says he is. Integrity, honor, caring, compassionate, are the words I would say of Bill Ryan , not some bullshxt rock thrower smoking a joint figuring out who is going to smear today! This should be an un-topic.

    I can see my negative energy is coming out , I need some tin foil and natural sun , lol
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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    Ok, time to come clean, my conscience won't let me partake in this subterfuge any longer. (oh God, my handlers will probably kill me!)

    I am a CIA plant and have donated a couple of times to the funding in order to ensure the entire spectrum of misinformation continues to get force fed to all the gullible fools here.

    And if anyone other than s7e6e believes a single word of the previous two sentences shame on you.

    Quote I've been blessed with extraordinary teachers and have met very intelligent people.
    We all have.

    Dude seriously, you don't have a clue! (Not often I sling insults so consider yourself blessed even further. )

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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    I'm calling Jack Sarfatti a fraud...

    Moreover, having Bill Ryan backing up this individual only adds to my suspicions he and this platform are funded by CIA ..
    So let's get this straight. You believe that Jack is a fraud without providing evidence or even a well explained opinion, and Bill doesn't, so that's more evidence that Bill is funded by the CIA? Forgive me for seeing a massive weakness in this argument.


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    I watched the entire interview Bill and I stay behind my initial assessment. I've been blessed with extraordinary teachers and have met very intelligent people. Characters like Elon and Jack are just diversions for the weak mind. But that is just my opinion.

    Suspecting your platform to being funded by CIA or some other 3 letter institution probing the public's insight with or without your knowledge, is just a consequence of how I perceive some of your actions. My "sources" are my intuition and common sense, no need for a third person's thoughts on the matter.
    ...
    Having met intelligent people doesn't lend credence to your claims in any way whatsoever. Neither does the claim of having "great teachers". I had a great teacher in grade 7.

    You claim Avalon might be a CIA platform "with, or without Bill's knowledge" by being funded by the CIA. How is the CIA funding Avalon without Bill's knowledge? Or did you only mean "with" Bill's knowledge and included the other part to appear less direct in the accusation?


    I'm not against checking out actual information that might support this claim, after all truth is the highest attainment, but surely we might need better (or some) evidence before we can even begin considering this seriously enough to warrant diving into it.

    The way you have presented your claim is a bit whimsical.

    If you meant that the CIA might be viewing and/or using this public information that we post, like it might use anything at all on the internet, then yes, I think we could agree to that. That's obvious - everyone is allowed to use information from the internet.

    As a side note, we did have a member who was accused of being CIA at one point. Whether he was or not I have no idea. He was unsubscribed.
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    Default Re: (s7e6e asks) is Avalon a CIA platform?

    I hate to derail a perfectly good train wreck of a question with a tangential question, but here goes anyway:

    Would the CIA (or NSA or other intelligence group) have an interest in running a group like Avalon (or Above Top Secret or other similar groups)? I am sure they are interesting in reading the posts and mabye taking notes on the posters and trying to figure out their real identities, but actually getting involved here? I also imagine they manufacture a lot of fake information outside of the forum that gets discussed as serious conspiracy here, just to dilute the stream of truth and waste our time (e.g. I think CIA handlers helped to transform Corey Goode into the Blue Avian ambassador of love and light) , but I can't see them actually spending much time on the forum trying to directly manipulate and mis inform us when they can do so much more damage else where (mainstream media, and very right/left ideological groups).

    So if you were CIA, NSA and was carrying one of their dark agendas (e.g. UFO coverup), what kind of things would you do to interfere with truth seekers here on Avalon?
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    II've been blessed with extraordinary teachers and have met very intelligent people. Characters like Elon and Jack are just diversions for the weak mind. But that is just my opinion.

    Suspecting your platform to being funded by CIA or some other 3 letter institution probing the public's insight with or without your knowledge, is just a consequence of how I perceive some of your actions. My "sources" are my intuition and common sense, no need for a third person's thoughts on the matter.
    This is weird IMO because I have heard that any suggestion that UA thingies like Tic Tacs are our on world "secret space" creations is akin to other forbidden implications and needs squelching. It needs to be challenged so we humans can feel threatened by space aliens.

    Are YOU a planted troll with a job to support a narrative? To throw in CIA collusion HERE may insinuate doubt and corrosion? I hear there is a way to make a living doing that very thing for people who think they are smart and don't need to investigate anything (therefore in no danger of cognitive dissonance). Many people think they have "common sense" and use it in the cause of the institutions they serve.

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    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    I've been blessed with extraordinary teachers and have met very intelligent people.
    That doesn't make one extraordinary, or intelligent.

    If you're going to walk in someone's house for the first time and declare it has dry rot, you had better have more than 'common sense' to qualify that claim.

    In fact, there have been posters in the past who carried a 'swampy' air about them you could say, and they are most often detected quickly, and shown to the door.

    "Bill and Avalon are funded by the CIA" should be esteemed alongside "Trump is the de facto incarnation of the anti-christ" as being probably the two most ignorant things ever said on this forum.
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    • Claiming: "(most probably)" without backing up that assumption!
    ... is a common theme when people react emotional or are raised to jump to conclusions to fill in gaps of incomplete (biased) "insights".

    I personally knew 3 different Aussies ... one was somebody I worked with for 4 years organizing conferences, managing Exposure Magazine & producing Exposure TV together in Amsterdam 1992 up to 1996 his name was David M. Summers*.

    What they all had in common is that they: "exaggerate by default" to "make a point" mostly calling it sarcasm later on ... but sometimes they use that to say things out-loud unfiltered to vent frustrations of their own incompetence ... if they are really honest to themselves.

    Now the beauty of this: most Aussies respect you if you calling them out for what they are doing ... then laugh about themselves and offer you to have a beer.

    I learned that The Dutch & Aussies have very similar sense of humor.

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    * David was born and raised in Brisbane Australia, completed School of Journalism and was a Photo-Journalist traveling all over the world for The Australian News Syndicate meeting his future Dutch wife in Israel. Moving to Holland in 1991.

    See also this

    Me 27 years ago working with an Aussie:
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    If the CIA want to pitch in then here's the link to donate: http://projectavalon.net/donation.html

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    I don't doubt "they" read here using some fake accounts that imv would have zero posts to begin with.

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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    I want to point out a pattern i have been aware of and this thing with Bill makes me want to do this.... in telegram groups this is happening a lot to people...forerunners.... they are been discretit in some way creating division among these groups or within the group..... and division is a clear CIA tool...isn´t it.
    I’ve just logged onto Avalon after deleting a good 75% of my Telegram groups this evening.
    Over the past couple of weeks it’s become apparent more than ever before, that there is a sudden and huge infiltration of alternative media and groups being flooded with, how do I put this politely...clear signs of individuals throwing proverbial grenades into the (chat) rooms and sucking up the mayhem that ensues.

    All this seems to be doing is causing a fracture within the groups due to conflict and heated discussions which totally divert away from the original topic so far that, one forgets what the original topic was. How convenient...

    Whilst that does work well on a platform such as Telegram where the majority are all strangers, it works not so well somewhere like Avalon where you only have to check the dates people registered and are still active members a decade on...

    So I guess it becomes easy to spot when something is ‘off’ or the proverbial grenade is being thrown into a room.

    Anyway I’ll watch the video now. It’s a bit like when a book gets banned, makes you want to read it all the more...


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    While I do not in any way, think that the CIA is in anyway involved in this site, (aside from probably looking at times, to take the temperature of the community?) The thread peeked my interest.

    For my reply above, I apologized to Bill for behaving that way in his house. I hope that s7e6e will as well...

    But what bothers me is that people think it is ok to try to sway others to believe what they believe, by way of slanderous accusations. Believe it or not it is ok, to simply disagree... I actually clicked "Thanks" on your post, for having spent the time to share your opinion. Because they all matter, whether I agree or not. I am not thanking you for the comments, but the time you spent engaging us.

    For far too long so many people, frustrated, have bashed those that took them for money, took them for information, and more... and when the time came, those people did show their true colors, and lawsuits began. And Bill had the proof, in the files of Avalon, previous posts, suggestions, etc. And he made that available to the masses so we didn't have to believe him, but follow our own research.

    So they were right to be frustrated, and many a dispute were brought to the forefront here on Avalon. Many people lost friendships, trust, and much more... Over such things.

    Bill remained as neutral as he could during all of it, Putting out fires wherever he could, including in the moderator section when it flared there.When he got frustrated, people attacked him. The man is doing his best relying on us to be his compass, as he lives out in the wilderness these days. When people convince him the scene is a mess and he has to play hardball, he did. He came back to center and Avalon is a comfortable place to be again, with a nice friendly exchange of ideas.

    I think Bill would be the first to tell you he doesn't "Dislike anyone" but there are a few he would rather not spend any time with. And that's fair, it doesn't mean he is an agent. His critiques are well balanced, and I enjoy it when he feels comfortable enough, on his own site, to express an actual opinion here and there!

    I have met Bill. I know a bit about his living situation, his past, and his interests. I know probably as much as the next about his past relationships, because he is open and honest about them. To a fault. If Bill is keeping any secrets, I DOUBT it is that he is secretly working for the CIA. But lets assume he is, to satisfy your suggestions...

    Please tell me what Bill has done as an agent of the CIA that has swayed the public in a way that the CIA would appreciate? Because I cannot find one way, aside from calling out the trolls when he knows that they're "Going off script".. Or making outrageous claims that he knows from past experience are absolutely NOT TRUE.

    Is he not allowed to engage in his own site, because to do so, means that he must have some agenda? I believe the agenda he has is to bring us closer as a family, and towards truth, and if that is his agenda, THANK YOU BILL.

    I would love to see any documentation that you have that suggests that Bill is working for anything other than us. And freely at that. And anyone who has been asked to leave, I could see why you would be upset, but this is his home, and if he feels that your contribution crosses lines, it is his right to ask you to leave.

    Again, Thank you Bill.

    About the CIA... I think they have far more technology to track and monitor what we say or do, and even think.. Yes I said they can read our minds.... So I DOUBT that they would bother trying a forum these days. Bill is doing this for us, not an agency. But that is my opinion. Please make sure to acknowledge that when you tell me I must be an agent, or "Working for the dark side".. If you research more, you too could find that technology.
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