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    Thanks much Savannah - I really appreciated being able to read that detailed text summary rather than watch this one.
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    Cliff's latest (and other recents) appears to agree with the timing of some of these predictions, while no where near as much broad details - such as cascading failure of the money supply (and rise of crypto, gold, and silver) around October 1st, for one.




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    NEXT LEVEL WOO - EXPLORERS' GUIDE TO SCIFI WORLD (1:06:00)

    Some notes:
    • As usual, Clif covers a hodgepodge of interesting stuff.
    • Some dark parts in this episode.
    • @ 35 ish minutes & @ 59 minutes - Be careful of taking on the emotional prompts of others. Clif doesn’t hold back on folks like Max Igan and Kerry Cassidy, who he says “She’s basically being a Karen.”
    • @ 1:03:00 - August 21st-August 24th - another emotional surge. Not in a good way. This surge will be an awakening for the normies. It reaches its point of maximum height, i.e., peak on August 24th.
    • January, 2022 is the transitioning from the old to the new. We’ll leave the old world, but not the consequence that happened in the old world such as the die off and the crumbling and so forth. January forward things will gradually pick up.
    ”View of the next level of the OverWoo”
    In the first minute and a half Clif High claims, “We had the emotional spike on August 15th. It came in on schedule and the rest of the stuff will probably roll in within parameters as the data is suggesting.

    We’re entering an emotional and difficult time that will extend from now (August) through January before there’s relief. It’ll be a rough fall and winter that will be horrific from December to May. It’ll be very bad. A lot of people will die and there will be a great deal of suffering.

    We need to prepare ourselves for this stuff. Understand that this is coming and that the kind of emotional crap your are going through now is going to get a lot worse. You need to toughen yourself up and harden yourself to the idea that you have a lot of stuff to go through.“
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    Cliff's latest (and other recents) appears to agree with the timing of some of these predictions, while no where near as much broad details - such as cascading failure of the money supply (and rise of crypto, gold, and silver) around October 1st, for one.


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    Thanks RunningDeer - forgot you had notes with the original post, I had just saved the link in another location until I had time to view. (I often open 4 or 5 tabs with video links from Avalon posts and then may not get to them for awhile..)
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    Thanks RunningDeer - forgot you had notes with the original post, I had just saved the link in another location until I had time to view. (I often open 4 or 5 tabs with video links from Avalon posts and then may not get to them for awhile..)
    Same here, MJ. I often download and watch later in the day, or over the course of a several hours, or the next day. I have a desktop folder that's labeled WATCH. Alas, some downloads get trashed because either things quickly change in 3-4 days, or the same info gets covered/updated from other content creators.

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    Quote Seven fires prophecy

    Seven fires prophecy is an Anishinaabe prophecy that marks phases, or epochs, in the life of the people on Turtle Island, a Native American name for the North American continent. The seven fires of the prophecy represent key spiritual teachings for North America, and suggest that the different colors and traditions of the human beings can come together on a basis of respect. It contains information for the future lives of the Anishinaabe which are still in the process of being fulfilled.[1]

    In 1988, Edward Benton-Banai documented the prophecy in The Mishomis Book.[2]

    Overview
    Originally, the prophecy and the Ojibwa migration story were closely linked.[citation needed] However, the last half of the prophecy appears to apply to all peoples in contact with the Anishinaabeg. Consequently, with the growth of the Pan-Indian Movement in the 1960s and the 1970s, concepts of the Seven fires prophecy merged with other similar prophetical teaching found among Indigenous peoples of North America forming a unified environmental, political, and socio-economic voice towards Canada and the United States. The Seven fires prophecy was originally taught among the practitioners of Midewiwin.[citation needed]

    William Commanda, an Algonquin elder and former chief of the Kitigàn-zìbì Anishinàbeg First Nation, was the wampum belt keeper for the seven fires prophecy.[3] He died on August 3, 2011.[4]

    Seven fires
    Originally, the prophecies were given by eight prophets in seven different time periods. According to oral tradition, the Mi’kmaq Nation heard the first Prophet.[5] The remaining seven prophets appeared before and were recorded by the Anishinaabeg. A prophecy of each of these seven periods were then called a “fire”. The teachings of the Seven fires prophecy also state that when the world has been befouled and the waters turned bitter by disrespect, human beings will have two options to choose from, materialism or spirituality. If they chose spirituality, they will survive, but if they chose materialism, it will be the end of it.

    First
    In the time of the First Fire, the Anishinabe nation will rise up and follow the sacred shell of the Midewiwin Lodge. The Midewiwin Lodge will serve as a rallying point for the people and its traditional ways will be the source of much strength. The Sacred Megis will lead the way to the chosen ground of the Anishinabe. You are to look for a turtle shaped island that is linked to the purification of the earth. You will find such an island at the beginning and end of your journey. There will be seven stopping places along the way. You will know the chosen ground has been reached when you come to a land where food grows on water. If you do not move you will be destroyed.[2]

    In heeding this prophecy, the Anishinaabe peoples, after receiving guarantees of the safety of their “Fathers” (the Abenaki peoples) and their “allied brothers” (Mi’kmaq) of having the Anishinaabeg move inland, away from the Atlantic coast, mass migration of the Anishinaabeg took place, proceeding to the “First Stopping Place” known as Mooniyaang, known today as Montreal, Quebec. There, the Nation found a “turtle-shaped island” marked by miigis (cowrie) shells.

    The Nation grew to a large number and spread up both Ottawa River and the St. Lawrence River. The second of the “turtle-shaped island” marked by miigis shells was at Niagara Falls.

    Second
    You will know the Second Fire because at this time the nation will be camped by a large body of water. In this time the direction of the Sacred Shell will be lost. The Midewiwin will diminish in strength. A girl will be born to point the way back to the traditional ways. She will show the direction to the stepping stones to the future of the Anishinabe people.[2]

    The oral traditions of the members of Council of Three Fires say that the realization of the Second fire came about the “Third Stopping Place” located somewhere near what now is Detroit, Michigan. The Anishinaabeg had divided between those who went up Ottawa River and those that went up the St. Lawrence River. After leaving the area about Niagara Falls, this group proceeded to the “Round Lake” (Lake St. Clair) and found the third “turtle-shaped island” marked by miigis shells. They continued westward until arriving along the southern shores of Lake Michigan but by this time, the evidence of the miigis shells were lost, and the southern Anishinaabeg became “lost” both physically in their journey as well as spiritually in their journey. The southern group of Anishinaabeg disintegrated into what today are the Ojibwa, Odawa and the Potawatomi. The northern group along the Ottawa River divided into Algonquin, Nipissing and the Mississaugas, but they maintained cohesion that was not maintained by the southern group.

    Eventually, a Potawatomi girl had a dream and pointed the southern group back towards and past the “Round Lake”. The southern group rejoined not as a single Anishinaabe peoplehood but rather as a unified alliance called Council of Three Fires. Travelling east and north, and then west, the Council crossed a series of small islands known as “the stepping stones” until they arrived onto Manitoulin island, described as the “Fourth Stopping Place” of the “turtle-shaped island” marked by miigis shell. There on the island, the Council met up with the Mississaugas, who then spiritually fully re-aligned the formerly lost southern group with the northern group who were never lost. The Odawa facilitated the “healing” and the island became synonymous as the “Odawa’s Island” in the Anishinaabe language.

    Third
    In the Third Fire the Anishinabe will find the path to their chosen ground, a land in the west to which they must move their families. This will be the land where food grows upon the waters.[2]

    From the cultural center on Manitoulin Island, the Ojibwe moved to the area about Sault Ste. Marie, where there was the next “turtle-shaped island” marked by miigis shell. Baawating or “The Rapids” of the Saint Marys River became the “Fifth Stopping Place” of the Ojibwe. From this spot, the Ojibwe and the rapids became synonymous with each other, with the Ojibwe known by the Dakota peoples as Iyo-ḣaḣatoŋwaŋ (“cascading-waterfalls people”) and later by the French as Saulteurs (“cascaders”) and Saulteaux (“cascades”). From here, the Ojibwe moved west, dividing into two groups, each travelling along the shores of Lake Superior, searching for the “land where food grows upon the waters”.

    Fourth
    The Fourth fire prophecy was delivered by a pair of prophets. The first prophet said,

    You will know the future of our people by the face the light skinned race wears. If they come wearing the face of brotherhood then there will come a time of wonderful change for generations to come. They will bring new knowledge and articles that can be joined with the knowledge of this country. In this way, two nations will join to make a mighty nation. This new nation will be joined by two more so that four will form the mightiest nation of all. You will know the face of the brotherhood if the light skinned race comes carrying no weapons, if they come bearing only their knowledge and a hand shake.[2]

    The other prophet said,

    Beware if the light skinned race comes wearing the face of death. You must be careful because the face of brotherhood and the face of death look very much alike. If they come carrying a weapon … beware. If they come in suffering … They could fool you. Their hearts may be filled with greed for the riches of this land. If they are indeed your brothers, let them prove it. Do not accept them in total trust. You shall know that the face they wear is one of death if the rivers run with poison and fish become unfit to eat. You shall know them by these many things.[2]

    While at the “Fifth Stopping Place”, the light-skinned people in big wooden boats, known as the French arrived. Consequently, the French were called Wemitigoozhii (“wooden-boat people”). Though the French Crown was interested in colonialism, as far as the Anishinaabeg were concerned, the French appeared only interested in commerce and trade through mercantilism. Together with the French, the Anishinaabeg formed trade alliances, which not only extended French colonial powers into the heart of North America, but strengthened the political and military might of the Anishinaabeg.

    After the French came the Zhaaganaash (“Off-shore ones”) of Great Britain. But out of the Zhaaganaash came the Gichi-mookomaan (“Big-knives”)—the Virginians (i.e. Americans).

    Fifth
    In the time of the Fifth Fire there will come a time of great struggle that will grip the lives of all native people. At the waning of this Fire there will come among the people one who holds a promise of great joy and salvation. If the people accept this promise of a new way and abandon the old teachings, then the struggle of the Fifth Fire will be with the people for many generations. The promise that comes will prove to be a false promise. All those who accept this promise will cause the near destruction of the people.[2]

    Sixth
    In the time of the Sixth Fire it will be evident that the promise of the Fifth Fire came in a false way. Those deceived by this promise will take their children aways from the teachings of the Elders. Grandsons and granddaughters will turn against the Elders. In this way the Elders will lose their reason for living … they will lose their purpose in life. At this time a new sickness will come among the people. The balance of many people will be disturbed. The cup of life will almost become the cup of grief.[2]

    Seventh
    The Seventh Prophet that came to the people long ago was said to be different from the other prophets. This prophet was described as “young and had a strange light in his eyes” and said:

    In the time of the Seventh Fire New People will emerge. They will retrace their steps to find what was left by the trail. Their steps will take them to the Elders who they will ask to guide them on their journey. But many of the Elders will have fallen asleep. They will awaken to this new time with nothing to offer. Some of the Elders will be silent because no one will ask anything of them. The New People will have to be careful in how they approach the Elders. The task of the New People will not be easy.

    If the New People will remain strong in their quest the Water Drum of the Midewiwin Lodge will again sound its voice. There will be a rebirth of the Anishinabe Nation and a rekindling of old flames. The Sacred Fire will again be lit.

    It is this time that the light skinned race will be given a choice between two roads. One road will be green and lush, and very inviting. The other road will be black and charred, and walking it will cut their feet. In the prophecy, the people decide to take neither road, but instead to turn back, to remember and reclaim the wisdom of those who came before them. If they choose the right road, then the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth and final Fire, an eternal fire of peace, love, brotherhood and sisterhood. If the light skinned race makes the wrong choice of the roads, then the destruction which they brought with them in coming to this country will come back at them and cause much suffering and death to all the Earth’s people.[2]

    Notes
    ^ Bell, Nicole. Journey from the Heart: Sharing the Anishnaabe (Ojibway) Culture With the Public School System. April 2000, Queen’s University.
    ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f g h i Benton-Banai
    ^ McFadden, S. (2005). Legend of the Rainbow Warriors. iUniverse. p. 85. ISBN 9781469785851. Retrieved 2015-04-13.
    ^ Toensing, Gale Courey. “Political Party! Celebrating UNDRIP and Indigenous Culture in Montreal”. Indian Country Today. 13 Sept 2011 (retrieved 27 Sept 2011)
    ^ “MAWQATMUTI’KW (We all live together)” (PDF). IKANAWTIKET Environmental Incorporated. 5 May 2011. Retrieved 2015-04-13.
    References
    Benton-Banai, Edward, The Mishomis Book – The Voice of the Ojibway (St. Paul: Red School House Publishers, 1988).
    Buffalohead, Roger and Priscilla Buffalohead, Against the Tide of American History: The Story of Mille Lacs Anishinabe. Minnesota Chippewa Tribe (Cass Lake, MN: 1985).
    Warren, William W. (1851), History of the Ojibway People.
    McFadden, Steven (1991), Profiles in Wisdom: Native Elders Speak About the Earth, Harlem Writers Guild Press.
    Christmas, Kevin (2011), “Aboriginal Consultation”, MAWQATMUTI’KW, Winter/Spring Issue.
    Robin Wall Kimmerer (2013), “Braiding Sweetgrass – Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants”, http://www.milkweed.org

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    Seven fires prophecy

    It is this time that the light skinned race will be given a choice between two roads. One road will be green and lush, and very inviting. The other road will be black and charred, and walking it will cut their feet. In the prophecy, the people decide to take neither road, but instead to turn back, to remember and reclaim the wisdom of those who came before them. If they choose the right road, then the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth and final Fire, an eternal fire of peace, love, brotherhood and sisterhood. If the light skinned race makes the wrong choice of the roads, then the destruction which they brought with them in coming to this country will come back at them and cause much suffering and death to all the Earth’s people.[2]


    Seven fires prophecy is an Anishinaabe prophecy that marks phases, or epochs, in the life of the people on Turtle Island, a Native American name for the North American continent. The seven fires of the prophecy represent key spiritual teachings for North America, and suggest that the different colors and traditions of the human beings can come together on a basis of respect. It contains information for the future lives of the Anishinaabe which are still in the process of being fulfilled.[1]
    I have been focusing meditation on what this could mean.

    It occurs to me that it must have something to do with the way we see ourselves on the earth. What is a green path that still leads to more suffering and death? How do we turn around?
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    Seven fires prophecy

    It is this time that the light skinned race will be given a choice between two roads. One road will be green and lush, and very inviting. The other road will be black and charred, and walking it will cut their feet. In the prophecy, the people decide to take neither road, but instead to turn back, to remember and reclaim the wisdom of those who came before them. If they choose the right road, then the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth and final Fire, an eternal fire of peace, love, brotherhood and sisterhood. If the light skinned race makes the wrong choice of the roads, then the destruction which they brought with them in coming to this country will come back at them and cause much suffering and death to all the Earth’s people.[2]


    Seven fires prophecy is an Anishinaabe prophecy that marks phases, or epochs, in the life of the people on Turtle Island, a Native American name for the North American continent. The seven fires of the prophecy represent key spiritual teachings for North America, and suggest that the different colors and traditions of the human beings can come together on a basis of respect. It contains information for the future lives of the Anishinaabe which are still in the process of being fulfilled.[1]
    I have been focusing meditation on what this could mean.

    It occurs to me that it must have something to do with the way we see ourselves on the earth. What is a green path that still leads to more suffering and death? How do we turn around?
    This showed up in my youtube feed right after I posted. Listening to it now.



    Then I found this... posting most but not all very long and great interview.

    Quote Oren Lyons - The Faithkeeper
    Interview with Bill Moyers
    3 July 1991
    Public Affairs Television


    Oren Lyons is the Faithkeeper of the Turtle Clan, Onondaga Council of Chiefs of the Hau de no sau nee (ho dee noe sho nee), of the Onondaga Nation of the Hau de no sau nee (meaning People Building a Long House). Born in 1930, he was raised in the traditional life ways of the Hau de no sau nee on the Seneca and Onondaga reservations. In 1982 he helped establish the United Nations Working Group on Indigenous Populations where he has participated in the Indigenous Peoples Conference in Geneva, an international forum supported by the United Nations' Human Rights Commission. He is a principal figure in the Traditional Circle of Indian Elders, a council of traditional grassroots leadership of North American Indian nations.

    As Faithkeeper, he is entrusted to maintain the customs, traditions, values and history of the Turtle Clan and uphold Gai Eneshah Go' Nah, the Great Law of Peace of the Hau de no sau nee while representing the people's message from the Hau de no sau nee to the World Community in every aspect as deemed necessary by the Onondaga people. In 1992 he was invited to address the General Assembly of the United Nations and open the International Year of the World's Indigenous People at the United Nations Plaza in New York. During that year he organized a delegation of the Hau de no sau nee to the UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) in Rio de Janeiro and was invited by UNCED Secretary General Maurice Strong, to address the national delegations.

    Co-editor with John Mohawk of Exiled in the Land of the Free: Democracy, Indian Nations, and the U.S. Constitution (Clear Light: 1992), publisher of Daybreak, a national Native American magazine, Oren Lyons conscientiously and steadfastly honors and serves life's needs and the needs of the seventh generation, clearly and incisively addressing such essential issues as Spirituality, Natural Law, and the Ethics of Authority. He is Professor of American Studies at the State University of New York (SUNY) at Buffalo where he directs the Native American Studies Program and teaches undergraduate courses in Surveys of Native American History and a Native American Studies Colloquium. He is a Principal faculty member for over forty Master degree committees and five Doctoral Degree Committees. Topic of research supervision includes Native American Education, Native Legal Situation with the Federal Government and the Canadian Federal Government, Economic Development on the Native Territories and Sovereign Issues in the International Perspective, Native American Health Issues, Native American Cultural and Artistic Expression.


    Oren Lyons:
    We can't afford, now, to have these national borders. We can't afford to have racism. We can't afford apartheid. We cannot -- it's one of those luxuries that we can't have anymore as human beings. We've got to think now, in real terms, for that seventh generation. And we've got to move in concert. We've got to sing the same song. We've got to have the same ceremony. We've got to get back to spiritual law if we are to survive.

    Bill Moyers: In this hour, a visit with Oren Lyons, the Faithkeeper. I'm Bill Moyers.
    [narration] When Dances With Wolves won the Academy Award for the best picture of the year, the recognition confirmed a turning point in the perception of the American Indian. The film was free of those clichés of the Old West created in the earliest days of Hollywood. These Native Americans spoke in their own language. They expressed human emotions and humor and they appeared as neither victims nor savages, but as real people living in real time, in touch with the land. The movie has been widely praised by Indians as an immense breakthrough in the perception of native peoples. For Native Americans like Oren Lyons, that breakthrough was a long time coming.

    Chief Lyons is the Faithkeeper of the Turtle Clan of the Onondaga Nation and has devoted his life to preserving the experiences and wisdom of his people and interpreting them to the dominant American culture. He serves now as Director of Native American Studies at the State University of New York at Buffalo. But he also plays an active and peripatetic role in representing the Iroquois and other native peoples on issues ranging from the environment to land claims and the restoration of sacred symbols.

    One of his mandates as Faithkeeper of his tribe is to keep alive the legend and stories of his people's traditions.

    [interview] You're an artist and this is your drawing, isn't it?

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. It's a painting. It's a depiction of the Great Tree of Peace and the two individuals who had the most to do with it, the Great Peacemaker (who is on the left as we look at it), and Hayanwatah (who was his supporter). The Tree of Peace, of course, is the great spiritual law and it sits on the back of the turtle, which is our metaphor for this island. We call North America the Great Turtle Island.

    Interspersed and intertwined among the leaves of the tree and around the tree, gathered around it, are the great clans. The Deer Clan (and the deer is recognized as a leader of animals), the hawk who sits in the tree, the bear who is another powerful, mysterious entity, and the wolf who is our spiritual brother in this life. He is recognized by native people around the world as a very powerful entity. And over on the left, on the neck of the turtle is a snipe, which is a clan, a huge family.

    Bill Moyers:
    Every part of that painting is a symbol.

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. When the Peacemaker had planted the Tree of Peace, he placed the eagle in the top. And the eagle would belong to everyone and the eagle would sit there in vigilance and watch and would scream when things were coming towards the tree. He said that there will come a time when this tree will be attacked.

    We can look at that at this time or we could have looked at it in 1776 or we could have looked at it in 1620, when it has come under attack. Today, it's still here. The tree is still standing and we, the chiefs of the Long House, are dedicated to its continuance and to its future.

    Bill Moyers:
    When you say the tree is still here, you mean spiritually?

    Oren Lyons:
    Spiritually. Yes. It was a spiritual tree to begin with. Because again, people are so literal. It's hard at times to have a discussion with people who think in linear terms. Because they say, "We come to see the tree." And we say, "It's a great tree. It reaches to the heavens. You can't see it. You can't see it? We can see it." But it's there. And it's very real. And again, as we were told, sometimes the most real things you can't see.

    Bill Moyers:
    [narration] Oren Lyons was an All-American lacrosse player at Syracuse University and in 1983 helped found a team called the Iroquois Nationals. In 1990, they traveled to Australia for the Lacrosse World Championship games, the first time in over 100 years that the Iroquois carried their own flag and performed their own anthem in international competition. He says lacrosse is as native to the Indians as they are to the landscape.

    [interview] We watched the children playing lacrosse yesterday. Does it teach them something? Or is it just for the heck of it?

    Oren Lyons:
    No. I think lacrosse and Iroquois are synonymous with life, I think [laughs]. Or its synonymous with continuation [of] community. Everybody's involved. The children [are] involved, parents are involved. Our greatest fans -- the greatest lacrosse fans -- are the women. Women love the game. And it's more than a game, has been.

    Bill Moyers:
    What do you mean more than a game? You were a star goalie back in the fifties. Wasn't it just a game to you then?

    Oren Lyons:
    No. You could have called me a ringer because I had been playing lacrosse for so long by the time that I got to the university that I had a great deal of experience. Because our people do it from these little fellows on up. And my grandfather was a lacrosse player. My father was a well-known goal keeper. It goes back. It's not only us. Some of the great leaders -- Tecumseh was a great lacrosse player.

    Bill Moyers:
    No, I didn't know that.

    Oren Lyons:
    Oh yes. These people, Osceola was noted for his lacrosse playing.

    Bill Moyers:
    Is lacrosse ceremony? Is it ritual?

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes it is. Oh, yes.

    Bill Moyers:
    As I look at it what am I seeing?.

    Oren Lyons:
    First of all it's a spiritual game. It's origin -- it's called The Creator's Game.

    Bill Moyers:
    Lacrosse?

    Oren Lyons:
    Lacrosse is The Creator's Game and he loves to have the contest and the vitality of the contest. And so, the harder you play -- you're supposed to play it as hard as you can -- but, don't cheat and you do things fair. Everything is always fair. Always fair. Do things fair.

    Bill Moyers:
    This game was here as long as your memory takes you back?

    Oren Lyons:
    As long as we can remember. And I think an important point to make at this time was that this was a team sport. This was a sport and it was played by teams of people. And that's a comment on the society, where our technology -- we have great technology. It's too bad I don't have a snow snake here to show you.

    Bill Moyers:
    A what?

    Oren Lyons:
    A snow snake. It's a game that we invented that [has] a long, slender wood which is carved to [a] real fine finish. And it's shellacked and it's varnished and it's waxed and it can be thrown a mile in the snow, in the track. Now that's technology. That's real technology. But we put it into a game.

    We didn't develop the F-16, we didn't develop . . . we didn't go in that direction. We are people who sat under a tree for a long time, talking about things, talked about society, talk about the importance of community, talk about law, talk about rules. Indian country, this Onondaga, has got a lot of rules here. Mohawks have a lot of rules. How do you live there? How do you live? None of it written.

    Bill Moyers:
    [narration] Oren Lyons was a successful commercial artist in New York City before returning to his people to take up his duties as Faithkeeper. He lives on native land near Syracuse and we met in his cabin there for this conversation.

    [interview] Why did you come back here to live on the reservation? You gave up a successful career as a commercial artist in New York City.

    Oren Lyons:
    There are several reasons. First of all, I believe I learned all I needed to learn about New York City. Probably stayed two or three years too long. The other, of course, was to come back and get back into harness, so to speak here, more directly with the people. And [in] 1967, I was condoled as one of the faithkeepers.

    Bill Moyers:
    Condoled?

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. That's a process of raising leadership in the Hau de no sau nee. People ask the question all the time, "How did you become a chief?" And it goes back to the roots of democracy.

    Bill Moyers:
    Were you chosen by a vote of the people?

    Oren Lyons:
    No. No. It doesn't work that way. A long time ago, when we first began the process of our governance and we were given this government, the Peacemaker (we call him the Great Peacemaker) came amongst us, brought peace amongst the Mohawk and the Oneida, the Onondaga, the Cayuga and the Seneca. And he laid down the rules at that time. We don't know how long ago. Maybe a thousand years ago, maybe two.

    Bill Moyers:
    Maybe more.

    Oren Lyons:
    It may be more. It doesn't matter.

    Bill Moyers:
    This is the legend that's come down.

    Oren Lyons:
    This is the story.

    Bill Moyers:
    The Peacemaker was a visitor?

    Oren Lyons:
    The Peacemaker was a spiritual being. He was a messenger, we would say, the best we could say. He brought a message, the Great Peace. And it was a long process of how he changed the minds of all of these men who at that time were leaders by strength and by force. Then he stepped in there and changed that whole process to deliberation and thought. And he convinced these warriors at that time (who were the leaders) to join with him. And he changed their minds.

    He moved from the Mohawk first to the Oneida. And then he moved to the Onondaga. He couldn't deal with the leader at Onondaga, the Tadodaho. So he went on to the Cayuga and the Seneca. And they all came back. And when they came back they had the support of their minds. They had agreed. These men had changed. And so he--

    Bill Moyers:
    Because they had listened to the Peacemaker?

    Oren Lyons:
    They had listened to the Peacemaker and his message. Now -- but he had to bring the Onondagas in. And he did.

    Bill Moyers:
    You were a stubborn people?

    Oren Lyons:
    Very stubborn. In particular, the man, the leader at the time, the Tadodaho, was fierce. He was a man with snakes in his hair. He was a man who was twisted and deformed and fierce and a cannibal. He was so powerful that people feared him and he just stayed in the woods, hard to reach.

    So they were given help, their spiritual help, in the terms of a song from a bird. This song was what they learned and what they came to him with. And as they approached -- all these leaders, all these people singing this song, with the Peacemaker and Hayanwatah in front -- whom some people now call Hiawatha.

    Bill Moyers:
    Hiawatha

    Oren Lyons:
    Hayanwatah and the Peacemaker worked together on this great work. They approached him. As they approached him with this they convinced him. And they said that if he agreed to join this Great Law, this Great Peace, that Onondaga would be the center fire, would be the Fire Keepers. The Onondaga would be the Fire Keepers of the Hau de no sau nee. And the Hau de no sau nee would be the name of the confederation who the French call Iroquois and who the English call Six Nations.

    So the Hau de no sau nee came about and he agreed. And he became the spiritual leader. They said all of those 50 original men from those nations, their names became offices. And when one passed on then a ceremony was performed, a condolence of replacement.

    So then this was the peaceful replacement of authority. It was a very simple process. What he had established in our laws was that each of those leaders was a leader of a family. His family was a clan and clans were given designations of a wolf, of a turtle, of a deer, of a bear, of a snipe, of an eel, of a beaver, of a heron; all of these designations.

    Then there would be in each of these clans five leaders. There would be a Clan Mother, whose purpose was to choose the Chief.

    Bill Moyers:
    Why? Why the mother? Why did that go to the woman?

    Oren Lyons:
    Because in his first encounter as he landed on the eastern shores of what is now called Lake Ontario, he stopped overnight at a lodge of a woman. And this woman took him in and said that this was a place where people could stop and could refresh themselves and could eat. It was a neutral place. Even though there was warpath that was on, everybody that came there recognized that this was a neutral place for peace. They'd spend the night here--

    Bill Moyers:
    So they'd leave their weapons outside?

    Oren Lyons:
    Outside. And they passed that particular time together. So when he told her of his mission and what he was about she said, `That's wonderful. I agree with that.' Her name was Jigonsahseh, she was Seneca or of the Cat Nation, the Erie.

    And so he went on about his business. Then he discovered this other man by the name of Hayanwatah who was an Onondaga by birth and who was adopted by the Mohawk in the process. So he established the process of adoption during all of this. At any rate, the two worked together. It was they who were in the lead of the group of men that were approaching Tadodaho with a song. And as they approached him, he transformed and agreed to this Great Peace and--

    Bill Moyers:
    You mean, the people approaching, singing the sound of the bird

    Oren Lyons:
    of the bird

    Bill Moyers:
    and this creature with wild hair and twisted body, as you say, he responded?

    Oren Lyons:
    He responded. He agreed.

    Bill Moyers:
    He changed.

    Oren Lyons:
    He changed. And there was a law, there was a lesson there for everyone. And that lesson was, no matter how bad a person is, he can change to be the very best.

    Bill Moyers:
    He can be born again.

    Oren Lyons:
    It actually, it was, I hesitate to use that word because it has such a different connotation today [laughs]. But really . . .

    Bill Moyers:
    A spiritual conversion, that's the metaphor isn't it?

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. It was a spiritual conversion.

    Bill Moyers:
    And the woman, that custom still prevails that the woman who greeted the Peacemaker chooses the next chief?

    Oren Lyons:
    Oh yes. At that time, as we moved along, in his process of when he set down, he said, `This society will follow' -- because the woman -- the woman was the first to recognize this, `the society will follow the woman's side, become a matriarchal society, matrilineal society.'

    Also what that did very clearly was it established the nationhood. Any child was born was born with an identity. He had a nation. He had the clan. And whatever his gender or her, and so we had, if it was a boy we had a lacrosse player [chuckle] and if it was a girl we had someone who inherited.

    Bill Moyers:
    The power . . .

    Oren Lyons:
    the power

    Bill Moyers:
    of choice. Who chose you?

    Oren Lyons:
    Well, my Clan Mother at that time.

    Bill Moyers:
    What clan?

    Oren Lyons:
    Turtle. I was a Turtle, although I am a Wolf. I am a Wolf. I was borrowed into the Turtle Clan at that time. A wonderful woman who raised many generations of children. She carried, at some point here at Onondaga Nation, four clanships in her hands because of the inability to find a Clan Mother for those clans. So she carried all that extra work. So she was about getting these things parceled out and getting them done and she asked me whether I would consider that and I--

    Bill Moyers:
    consider becoming the

    Oren Lyons:
    becoming one of the representatives of the Turtle Clan in Council. And I said, "Well," your first reaction is, you don't want to do that because the chiefs are always busy. They're always working. They're never home. They're always in meetings. It seemed to be quite a load.

    But she said, "Well, don't answer," she said, "Don't answer now. Think about it." And the only words she ever said to me was, "Think of what you can do for your people." So, finally I said, "Well, I'll try." She said, "That's good. That's all I want to hear."

    Bill Moyers:
    Was it a hard choice to bring your kids back from New York to live here?

    Oren Lyons:
    No. No. It was I think, probably the best thing I could have done for them.

    Bill Moyers:
    Where do they belong? Here or out in that other world?

    Oren Lyons:
    Everybody belongs here. All Onondagas belong here. Whether they live there or not. It's the same as if you had a U.S. citizenship and you were living in Paris. You always go back to America, right?

    Bill Moyers:
    Right.

    Oren Lyons:
    It's the same. So if you're an Onondaga and you're living in Boston, which they are, and if you're living in New York, which they are, your home is here.

    Bill Moyers:
    The conflict, it seems to me, is that you're talking -- you just outlined a wonderful story of a consciousness from another time and another mentality. And they're facing all the time, your children, the technology of the modern world which seduces them away from the intuitive thinking.

    Oren Lyons:
    Oh yes, no doubt. There's an attrition. Sure. Every generation has faced an attrition. But on the other hand there's also a distillation. A distillation of these ideas, of these thoughts here and the society itself: the importance of the leadership and the Chiefs and the Clan Mothers. The message that they have is extraordinarily important in these times. And the teachings that are there.

    I mentioned the second message, which was the Great Peace. We had a third message. The third message came around 1799 and if you go back in history, this was directly after the Revolutionary War. And you're looking at the turmoil that was in Indian country, particularly Six Nation country, during that time.

    We had a third message from Gunyundiyo, who people call Handsome Lake. Handsome Lake was taken on a journey, shall we say, for four days. During that time he was shown the future of what was going to happen. And he was given instructions on how to deal with the white man.

    Bill Moyers:
    Instructions by?

    Oren Lyons:
    By the four protectors, by the spiritual side of our life. And so they told him what was coming. This summer, that story will be told again here in this long house, as it's told every year in every long house across the Six Nations.

    Bill Moyers:
    What did he say was coming? What will you observe? What will you think about this?

    Oren Lyons:
    Well, it goes on and on. Four days of it.

    Bill Moyers:
    Is there a central message?

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. The central message is there is going to be a deterioration and a falling away of life as we know it. There is going to be destruction. There's . . . well, for instance, how these things were told, and I have to be quite careful about how I do this because we're on national television. I don't have the authority and the right to begin discussing things at large without the consent of the Nation or the people. I'm not free to do that.

    But it's clear enough and people have known enough. For instance, for water, [they] talked about water, he was shown things in vignettes. And he said [that] they would ask him, `What do you see?' He said, `I see a river.' And they said, `Pick up the water to drink.' And he reached his hands in and picked the water up and he said, `I can't. It's filthy.' They said, `We think what you say is correct. At some time the water is going to be that way.' And he talked then--

    Bill Moyers:
    And he was anticipating the environmental degradation that we, it's not a legend.

    Oren Lyons:
    At one time he was shown a field of corn -- a field. It wasn't corn. It was a garden and someone was working in the garden. And he described that. They said, `Observe.' At one point, the man reached down and pulled up the plant, to see what was on the roots. And there was nothing on the root. They said, `What do you see?' He says, `He's pulled a plant and there's nothing there.'

    Bill Moyers:
    What do you make of that?

    Oren Lyons:
    What they were told . . . as he was told a lot about these things that were coming [he asked], `What is the hope?' `Well,' they said, `it's certain that this will happen. But that's up to each generation to see that it doesn't happen in your generation.'

    Bill Moyers:
    So that the lesson, the vision he received, the chief received, was that destruction -- environmental destruction, physical destruction -- could come in every generation. But each generation is charged not to let it happen.

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. So actually, the hope lies in the intensity of the life of that generation. You can only live one day at a time, regardless.

    Bill Moyers:
    And yet, the publication that you produce, Daybreak, is dedicated to the seventh generation unborn.

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. Th[ose were] the instructions that were given as a Chief. When we were given these instructions, among many of them, one was that when you in sit in council for the welfare of the people, you counsel for the welfare of that seventh generation to come. They should be foremost in your mind, not even your generation, not even yourself, but those that are unborn. So that when their time comes here they may enjoy the same thing that you are enjoying now.

    Bill Moyers:
    Is that kind of a moral obligation?

    Oren Lyons:
    I believe that all of this discussion between human beings is one of morality. I think that everyone has to deal with the emotions that are in each individual. And we understand that we have both good and bad in us and that you must strike a balance at all times. This spiritual center then, is what the Great Tree of Peace is. It's a spiritual center. It's a spiritual law--

    Bill Moyers:
    The Peacemaker, when he came, planted a Tree of Peace?

    Oren Lyons:
    A Tree of Peace, a Great Peace, a great law. It's a spiritual law. He said, `When you become afraid or when you become weak or when you become not able to carry,' he says, `it's the spiritual law that will stiffen your spine.' He said, `That's where your strength is. So you must make your laws in accordance with those spiritual laws and then you will survive.'

    He called that council the Council of the Good Minds. He said the Hoyanni -- that's what it means, the all-good, the good, peacemakers. So that's what he set up. And when he uprooted this great tree and he asked the Nations to come forward and cast their weapons of war, he says, `We now do away with the warriors and we do away with the war chiefs. And in their place we plant the Council of the Good Minds who will now counsel for the welfare of the people.' And he said, `I shall not leave you defenseless.' And he gave us a spiritual strength, Oyenkwaohweh, the Great Tobacco. He said, `This will be your medium for communication, directly.'

    Bill Moyers:
    With the Great Tobacco?

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. We have sacred tobacco. He said `This is your spiritual strength.'

    Bill Moyers:
    The peace pipe, then, is a metaphor as well as a physical

    Oren Lyons:
    actually

    Bill Moyers:
    object, a material object.

    Oren Lyons:
    Actually. That's why this peace is so foremost in our minds. So he said, `Now, the three principles will be peace, equity and justice and the power of the Good Minds. So everyone must think that way. When your people think that way and everyone has the same position and the same mind of being of one mind [that] is the greatest power there is.' And so that's what we're instructed, to have that mind.

    Bill Moyers:
    But the history of your people since the Peacemaker came millennia ago has been one like [that] of other people, of enmity and conflict and competition. The Great Teachings were wise and wonderful philosophy breached so often and had been breached so often in the fact, in our behavior.

    Oren Lyons:
    Yes. It's visionaries, in talking or understanding Black Elk's vision, what he said--

    Bill Moyers:
    North Dakota, in the Dakotas

    Oren Lyons:
    in the Dakotas, yes, the great Dakota people, Lakota. His vision was very much along with ours.

    And then when we hear the stories of other nations, of how they came to be; when we hear how the Hopis talk about the Spider Woman and coming from the Earth and the Fourth World that they've experienced, the fourth failure of man, again tried, how they come forward and try again.

    We hear the walkabout songs of the aboriginal people in Australia when they talk about singing into existence these beings; all the entities of the world, as far as they are concerned, ha[ve] a song.

    And we say, `That's wonderful. We agree. We say yes. Now hear our story. This is how we came.' And they listen to us and they say, `That's wonderful. We believe that.'

    Bill Moyers:
    But your story; look what the gun, the church, the dollar and the bottle did to your story. You got run over.

    Oren Lyons:
    Well, you pretty much put them all down there. [This is] what they talked about at the time. We did and we didn't. We're still here. We're not through. The story's not over. You're still talking to a chief. You're still talking and you're sitting here in that Onondaga Nation, the center of the Hau de no sau nee. The tree is still here. The roots are still out. And if anything I see the roots growing at this point.

    Bill Moyers:
    What do you mean? What's evidence that . . .

    Oren Lyons:
    Well, as I watch, especially in the eastern bloc of Europe, how these people are clamoring for freedom and for democracy. How they're looking towards the Americas for democracy. How the Chinese were using the symbol of the Statue of Liberty as democracy and they were saying, `This is great that it is coming from America.' But America got it from the Indians. America got the ideas of democracy and freedom and peace here.
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    Quote Oren is a faithkeeper of the Turtle Clan, Onondaga Council of Chiefs, Haudenosaunee
    (Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy). He has been active in international Indigenous
    rights and sovereignty issues for over four decades at the United Nations and other
    international forums. He is a State University of New York (SUNY) distinguished services
    professor emeritus of the University at Buffalo. He serves on the board of Bioneers an
    environmental champion of the earth. Oren is chairman of the board of directors of
    Plantagon International AB, the leader in urban agriculture, Plantagon is designed
    to meet challenges of compounding human population, finite resources and global warming. For more information on these interviews as well as more interviews: http://www.treemedia.com/#!11th-hour-...

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    A BREAK IN THE CLOUDS WITH PENNY KELLY & Jean-Claude@BeyondMystic (1:30:00)

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    A BREAK IN THE CLOUDS WITH PENNY KELLY & Jean-Claude@BeyondMystic (1:30:00)

    good discussion concerning whether some negative aspects of Trump come to light this fall in her view, and how that will affect those putting too much faith in that person for an improved future.

    as well as questions about why he pushed the vax, and who he might be in league with, etc., why the rigging of the 2020 election was not prevented?

    Where we are now, too much red-pilling?, how do we move forward from here now?

    On January 6th, she knew Trump was making a questionable move telling all those folks to come to Washington - her thought was why are you doing this?

    And something was not right here. He knew that bad stuff was going to happen.

    Who was setting up what? Has not set well with Penny. Nothing except same old stuff. Why Jan 6th?

    She says the confusion we see now is deliberate - What are we being set up for?

    (I appreciated she discussed watching Cliff's vids - which tells me each may influence the other so can't ascribe much significance to fact that their views and timelines align in places.)

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    ...

    ... maybe it's time to revisit not-so-old posted data:

    Regarding the so-called black and white hats AKA alliance and Putin's/Trump's team, etc... :
    This diagram is designed to help one understand some basics of the operational structure of Satan’s entire working hierarchy, which incorporates both non-human and human servers, whether conscious or unconscious.

    There are two basic sides (“Lodges”) of Satan’s Organization: the “dark” side (the “left-hand path”), and the “light” side (the “right hand path”), and the top-ranking members of Satan’s Organization (the “Spiritual Hierarchy”) oversees and rules both.
    ⇒ Note: it didn’t always used to be this way, but today, it isn’t uncommon now for some, particularly those who are on higher levels within each section, to go back and forth between the “dark side” and the “light side,” depending upon the purpose they serve within Satan’s Organization and the message that the fallen want to channel through them. The reason for this is because in truth, both sides serve the same purpose! And this purposeful blurring of the line between “dark” and “light” and blending the two, is causing people to believe the lie that “dark” and “light” balance one another, that the “dark” is just as desirable as the “light,” and that “dark” can be used for “good.”
    This is a very deliberate manipulation by Satan’s Spiritual Hierarchy that is fooling many!

    The “left-hand path” is composed of all the different forms of the “dark arts.” It is referred to by the Spiritual Hierarchy as “The Brotherhood of the Black Lodge,” and is described as being blatant Satanism that is governed by “The Son of Perdition”.

    The “right-hand path” is composed of all the different forms of Luciferianism (the “light side”), and is referred to by the Spiritual Hierarchy as “The White Brotherhood” or “The Brotherhood of the White Lodge.”
    ⇒ Note: Some people use the terms Brotherhood of the White Lodge of the Ascended Masters of Wisdom, The Brotherhood of Light, The Brotherhood, The Great White Brotherhood, The Great White Lodge, or even The Sisterhood of Light. But these are terms that are all referring to the same thing.
    From my experience, the most dangerous side is the “White Lodge,” because they are the most deceptive, masquerading as holy, benevolent, “illumined” servants or angels of God. I’d like to reiterate that both sides (the “light” side and the “dark” side) take orders from the same source! That source is Lucifer (Satan) and his inner circle of his chosen fallen angels, referred to as “The Spiritual Hierarchy.”

    Only the people in the highest level of each Lodge (both the “Black Lodge” and the “White Lodge”) are aware that both sides are of the same organization, governed by the very same head, which is Lucifer, who is Satan. All those who reach this level are fully Illumined.”

    Looking at the diagram again, notice that the pyramid is divided into levels from the foundation on up to the very top: each of those levels represents a degree of “spiritual enlightenment,” and each level is governed by its own hierarchy that is within itself a hierarchy, able to operate independently of the other levels. Only the top members of each level know that there are levels higher than the one they are working in. One advances to a higher level through an initiation where the initiate is trusted with “higher” esoteric (hidden, occult) knowledge.

    ⇒ Note: this “esoteric knowledge” is also referred to by many Christians and pagans alike as “mysteries”. Some Christians occultists also refer to this as “the meat of the word,” or, “the deeper or higher things of ‘God.'”
    ----------------------------------------------


    ... then, amalgamate the above with the "Orion Model":

    Orion model

    One of Alex Collier's interviews by Robert Stanley who yanked those interviews off his website...


    Alex Collier interview, 2011-10-27
    http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne


    Welcome to a new episode of Unicus Radio, I am your host Robert Stanley we have a special guest, our friend Alex Collier.

    “ …our ancient ancestors, the Sumerians, the Egyptians they all had full knowledge of our cousins. They often saw them in the air, they had some forms of interaction between them and humanity on a relatively frequent basis. The Mayans, the Aztecs also have the same stories of being with the gods and you know, agriculture, horticulture, manufacturing were all taught to our ancestors. It’s after, really, the sinking of Atlantis and then the last pole shift that occurred which was caused by the Anunaki where everything kind of went black, and then what we have basically, we have all these legends on this as we are taught but are in fact based on actual history. Now, as far as the freeing of the galaxy…

    “I am gona tell you what I have been told.

    “’For the most part, most of the galaxy is pretty civilized, ok. It’ really matured, it’s coming to its own. But there are some areas, mostly on the outskirts, where it’s still pretty [much] considered “jungle.” But that’s changing rapidly as well. Now, if you remember when I first started speaking, the Andromedans, Moreney and Faceyas, had said that tyranny showed up in our galaxy in the future and they had come back in time to find out what was going on and they had narrowed it down – not just the As but several groups or teams that were part of the Adromedan council -- had come back and had focused it to this particular area of our solar system.

    “Now, we have some really bad elements here. They are not just here but in this kind of sector, this part of our galaxy. Some are in our solar system, obviously, and some are directly underneath us. But some are also inhabiting some of the other planets and moons in our solar system.

    05:00
    “Basically this was like a free zone. This was an area where nobody paid attention to. And it's because of that that this rogue element was drawn here because they felt like they could do whatever the hell they wanted to do. In essence you could say this was like a lure to them. This area that nobody gives a sh*t about, that’s where we go, that’s where we hide. Like pirates would do.

    “So, they come here en masse, in numbers, not only physically but dimensionally. The dimensional part, doors were opened for them so they could actually come in and now basically what you have now is that you have this cesspool of just renegades who for the most part have all their own agendas. They may have different agendas, but none of those agendas are really about the betterment and welfare of the natives. It’s all about what can we get for ourselves. And humanity has mirrored this as well, you know, in our history.

    “So, now, what we have is that the doors are closing. Behind this group, I know there are some basically saying it’s over, and that is absolutely so far from the truth. And I’ll give you an analogy of why that's so far from the truth. Now, it is clear that they are backing up and they are beginning to know that they are cornered. But it isn’t over because we are between them and the good guys. For the most part humanity is completely unaware of what’s really going on around themselves. Humanity is in a very precarious position.

    “But I’ll just give you this analogy. You even hear it with some of these speakers saying, you know, a brand new financial system is coming in, and it’s gona be miraculous, it’s gona be absolutely wonderful; it’s gona replace the old system. Well, the old system was based on a fiat currency from, they only last about 80 years. So it’s coming to an end. It has reached its pinnacle of putting everybody in debt. So we have now a new financial system coming in. This is an Earth financial system. However it is being managed by other personages who are not solely human.

    “At this point, there were only four countries that were not part of the Rothschild’s banking system. They were North Korea, Cuba, Libya and Iran. Well we know Libya is no longer a part of that. They're no longer free, they are now part of the Rothschild’s banking system. The next would be Iran and we are already hearing the ramblings about going to war with Iran and making them the bad guy. As far as North Korea and Cuba, I don’t think anybody gives a sh*t about those two countries.

    “So, this should show everyone that what they’re hearing that it’s all over, it’s time to relax, you know, pick up your heels, open a six-pack, you know, it’s way premature, way premature.

    25:30
    “Most people in government don’t really understand the real element of control here and that it’s extraterrestrial. They are aware of the human element. Those that have awareness of it, made a choice to succumb to this evil. I am sure that they were probably threatened and that their families were threatened, etc. Because we have inherited this problem. Those alive today inherited this problem. But this is the Orion Model.

    “This is what the Orions, both the human aspect of what’s the Anunaki are a part of and the Reptilian lineages used to do, hundreds and hundreds of millions of years ago when the colonization of galaxies was in its beginning and its infancy. I don’t even know how many years ago that was.

    “But this is the Orion Model: they would come in with different gods, they would separate the humanity of that planet. They would change their language. They would teach them a faith or a religion to separate them even more. Then they would use them to fight one another to build animosity and distrust.

    “That alone changes the entire harmonic of not only the race but the planet. They think holographically, they know this stuff. They know what it does, ok, because they have all this knowledge.

    “So, when you have planetary race and a planet vibrating at a low frequency, it is like a nesting zone for these guys. And when that’s done, what they then do is they corrupt, they create a priesthood to be the intermediaries between humanity and them because the more hidden they are, especially if they are regressive, the more stealth they are, the easier it is for them to manipulate.

    “So, they use their human priesthoods, or their priesthoods – I am assuming all the races are human; they are not -- to basically implement the strategy and the plan.

    “Once they have absolute control of a planet and the humanity on it and all the resources, just before they expose themselves, come forward and introduce themselves as gods, what they do is they eliminate all the people that helped them. All, the priesthoods, all the intermediaries, all the middle management, they eliminate all of them so there is no one left to tell the story. And they erase history. Then the humanity on that particular planet is floundering around wondering “Who the hell are we?” “what’s true, what isn’t true? “How do you explain this?” “That religion says that.” It creates all this confusion and no one is on the same page and that’s exactly how they managed to control these planets.

    ““Ordo ab chao”

    “You cannot enslave a planet that is well educated and you have a humanity that knows who it is on high spiritual principles. You cannot enslave a race like that.”

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    ... so, in terms of where we are at on this planet, here is the clincher, all in the name of lending a helping hand:
    Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    The sorrowful history of the Grays [Franz Erdl]
    Usually I write about my personal experiences only and avoid quoting stuff which I don't really know much about. In this case I make an exception because a book, which I read a long time ago is the missing link to our own experiences with the Grays. I forgot the name of the author, but I remember he was an US-Military remote viewer. He drew the following conclusions:
    • once, the Grays used to live on their own planet they fell prey to an invasion, which they haven't been aware of
    • unsighted, another race (probably Reptilians) caused catastrophes on their planet
    • when survival on their planet was almost impossible, the intruders appeared like saviours the condition for their "help" was the obedience of the Grays
    Alex Collier goes into more details on how the greys were about to disappear as an ethnic group because the lizzies got onto their case (and planet) and turned the females of the grey's species infertile and therefore unable to reproduce and provide for "containers" for their souls. Then the lizzies stepped in and proposed the greys with their cloning technology in exchange for their subservience.

    That was million if not billion years ago.
    --------------------------------------

    ... so, "draining the swamp" is about the equivalent of getting rid of all the corrupted priesthoods and government officials, etc. so that someone can step up on the "hero" pedestal"... and the current campaign of inoculations for depopulation and rendering the survivor infertile... leading to their trans-humanism wet dream.

    ... getting an idea of the colossal enormity of what's at stake?


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    I noticed content creators like Penny, Clif, Jean-Claude, David (X22 Report), Sean (SGT Report) use similar jargon and timelines. I’m working hard not to downgrade their message like the trio of Simon Parkes, Charlie Ward and Robert David Steele.

    My go-to-list gets shorter and shorter by the week. 5-6 minutes is all I can stomach with the Mike Adams and Alex Jones of the world. They’ve upped their scare programing under the guise of ”I care and prepare”. I’d suggest they play back an episode or two. It says more about their state of mind and frequency levels. I’ve placed many of them in the mainstream media basket of hustlers.

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    ...

    ... maybe it's time to revisit not-so-old posted data:

    Regarding the so-called black and white hats AKA alliance and Putin's/Trump's team, etc... :
    This diagram is designed to help one understand some basics of the operational structure of Satan’s entire working hierarchy, which incorporates both non-human and human servers, whether conscious or unconscious.

    There are two basic sides (“Lodges”) of Satan’s Organization: the “dark” side (the “left-hand path”), and the “light” side (the “right hand path”), and the top-ranking members of Satan’s Organization (the “Spiritual Hierarchy”) oversees and rules both.
    ⇒ Note: it didn’t always used to be this way, but today, it isn’t uncommon now for some, particularly those who are on higher levels within each section, to go back and forth between the “dark side” and the “light side,” depending upon the purpose they serve within Satan’s Organization and the message that the fallen want to channel through them. The reason for this is because in truth, both sides serve the same purpose! And this purposeful blurring of the line between “dark” and “light” and blending the two, is causing people to believe the lie that “dark” and “light” balance one another, that the “dark” is just as desirable as the “light,” and that “dark” can be used for “good.”
    This is a very deliberate manipulation by Satan’s Spiritual Hierarchy that is fooling many!

    The “left-hand path” is composed of all the different forms of the “dark arts.” It is referred to by the Spiritual Hierarchy as “The Brotherhood of the Black Lodge,” and is described as being blatant Satanism that is governed by “The Son of Perdition”.

    The “right-hand path” is composed of all the different forms of Luciferianism (the “light side”), and is referred to by the Spiritual Hierarchy as “The White Brotherhood” or “The Brotherhood of the White Lodge.”
    ⇒ Note: Some people use the terms Brotherhood of the White Lodge of the Ascended Masters of Wisdom, The Brotherhood of Light, The Brotherhood, The Great White Brotherhood, The Great White Lodge, or even The Sisterhood of Light. But these are terms that are all referring to the same thing.
    From my experience, the most dangerous side is the “White Lodge,” because they are the most deceptive, masquerading as holy, benevolent, “illumined” servants or angels of God. I’d like to reiterate that both sides (the “light” side and the “dark” side) take orders from the same source! That source is Lucifer (Satan) and his inner circle of his chosen fallen angels, referred to as “The Spiritual Hierarchy.”

    Only the people in the highest level of each Lodge (both the “Black Lodge” and the “White Lodge”) are aware that both sides are of the same organization, governed by the very same head, which is Lucifer, who is Satan. All those who reach this level are fully Illumined.”

    Looking at the diagram again, notice that the pyramid is divided into levels from the foundation on up to the very top: each of those levels represents a degree of “spiritual enlightenment,” and each level is governed by its own hierarchy that is within itself a hierarchy, able to operate independently of the other levels. Only the top members of each level know that there are levels higher than the one they are working in. One advances to a higher level through an initiation where the initiate is trusted with “higher” esoteric (hidden, occult) knowledge.

    ⇒ Note: this “esoteric knowledge” is also referred to by many Christians and pagans alike as “mysteries”. Some Christians occultists also refer to this as “the meat of the word,” or, “the deeper or higher things of ‘God.'”
    ----------------------------------------------


    ... then, amalgamate the above with the "Orion Model":

    Orion model

    One of Alex Collier's interviews by Robert Stanley who yanked those interviews off his website...


    Alex Collier interview, 2011-10-27
    http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne


    Welcome to a new episode of Unicus Radio, I am your host Robert Stanley we have a special guest, our friend Alex Collier.

    “ …our ancient ancestors, the Sumerians, the Egyptians they all had full knowledge of our cousins. They often saw them in the air, they had some forms of interaction between them and humanity on a relatively frequent basis. The Mayans, the Aztecs also have the same stories of being with the gods and you know, agriculture, horticulture, manufacturing were all taught to our ancestors. It’s after, really, the sinking of Atlantis and then the last pole shift that occurred which was caused by the Anunaki where everything kind of went black, and then what we have basically, we have all these legends on this as we are taught but are in fact based on actual history. Now, as far as the freeing of the galaxy…

    “I am gona tell you what I have been told.

    “’For the most part, most of the galaxy is pretty civilized, ok. It’ really matured, it’s coming to its own. But there are some areas, mostly on the outskirts, where it’s still pretty [much] considered “jungle.” But that’s changing rapidly as well. Now, if you remember when I first started speaking, the Andromedans, Moreney and Faceyas, had said that tyranny showed up in our galaxy in the future and they had come back in time to find out what was going on and they had narrowed it down – not just the As but several groups or teams that were part of the Adromedan council -- had come back and had focused it to this particular area of our solar system.

    “Now, we have some really bad elements here. They are not just here but in this kind of sector, this part of our galaxy. Some are in our solar system, obviously, and some are directly underneath us. But some are also inhabiting some of the other planets and moons in our solar system.

    05:00
    “Basically this was like a free zone. This was an area where nobody paid attention to. And it's because of that that this rogue element was drawn here because they felt like they could do whatever the hell they wanted to do. In essence you could say this was like a lure to them. This area that nobody gives a sh*t about, that’s where we go, that’s where we hide. Like pirates would do.

    “So, they come here en masse, in numbers, not only physically but dimensionally. The dimensional part, doors were opened for them so they could actually come in and now basically what you have now is that you have this cesspool of just renegades who for the most part have all their own agendas. They may have different agendas, but none of those agendas are really about the betterment and welfare of the natives. It’s all about what can we get for ourselves. And humanity has mirrored this as well, you know, in our history.

    “So, now, what we have is that the doors are closing. Behind this group, I know there are some basically saying it’s over, and that is absolutely so far from the truth. And I’ll give you an analogy of why that's so far from the truth. Now, it is clear that they are backing up and they are beginning to know that they are cornered. But it isn’t over because we are between them and the good guys. For the most part humanity is completely unaware of what’s really going on around themselves. Humanity is in a very precarious position.

    “But I’ll just give you this analogy. You even hear it with some of these speakers saying, you know, a brand new financial system is coming in, and it’s gona be miraculous, it’s gona be absolutely wonderful; it’s gona replace the old system. Well, the old system was based on a fiat currency from, they only last about 80 years. So it’s coming to an end. It has reached its pinnacle of putting everybody in debt. So we have now a new financial system coming in. This is an Earth financial system. However it is being managed by other personages who are not solely human.

    “At this point, there were only four countries that were not part of the Rothschild’s banking system. They were North Korea, Cuba, Libya and Iran. Well we know Libya is no longer a part of that. They're no longer free, they are now part of the Rothschild’s banking system. The next would be Iran and we are already hearing the ramblings about going to war with Iran and making them the bad guy. As far as North Korea and Cuba, I don’t think anybody gives a sh*t about those two countries.

    “So, this should show everyone that what they’re hearing that it’s all over, it’s time to relax, you know, pick up your heels, open a six-pack, you know, it’s way premature, way premature.

    25:30
    “Most people in government don’t really understand the real element of control here and that it’s extraterrestrial. They are aware of the human element. Those that have awareness of it, made a choice to succumb to this evil. I am sure that they were probably threatened and that their families were threatened, etc. Because we have inherited this problem. Those alive today inherited this problem. But this is the Orion Model.

    “This is what the Orions, both the human aspect of what’s the Anunaki are a part of and the Reptilian lineages used to do, hundreds and hundreds of millions of years ago when the colonization of galaxies was in its beginning and its infancy. I don’t even know how many years ago that was.

    “But this is the Orion Model: they would come in with different gods, they would separate the humanity of that planet. They would change their language. They would teach them a faith or a religion to separate them even more. Then they would use them to fight one another to build animosity and distrust.

    “That alone changes the entire harmonic of not only the race but the planet. They think holographically, they know this stuff. They know what it does, ok, because they have all this knowledge.

    “So, when you have planetary race and a planet vibrating at a low frequency, it is like a nesting zone for these guys. And when that’s done, what they then do is they corrupt, they create a priesthood to be the intermediaries between humanity and them because the more hidden they are, especially if they are regressive, the more stealth they are, the easier it is for them to manipulate.

    “So, they use their human priesthoods, or their priesthoods – I am assuming all the races are human; they are not -- to basically implement the strategy and the plan.

    “Once they have absolute control of a planet and the humanity on it and all the resources, just before they expose themselves, come forward and introduce themselves as gods, what they do is they eliminate all the people that helped them. All, the priesthoods, all the intermediaries, all the middle management, they eliminate all of them so there is no one left to tell the story. And they erase history. Then the humanity on that particular planet is floundering around wondering “Who the hell are we?” “what’s true, what isn’t true? “How do you explain this?” “That religion says that.” It creates all this confusion and no one is on the same page and that’s exactly how they managed to control these planets.

    ““Ordo ab chao”

    “You cannot enslave a planet that is well educated and you have a humanity that knows who it is on high spiritual principles. You cannot enslave a race like that.”

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    ... so, in terms of where we are at on this planet, here is the clincher, all in the name of lending a helping hand:
    Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    The sorrowful history of the Grays [Franz Erdl]
    Usually I write about my personal experiences only and avoid quoting stuff which I don't really know much about. In this case I make an exception because a book, which I read a long time ago is the missing link to our own experiences with the Grays. I forgot the name of the author, but I remember he was an US-Military remote viewer. He drew the following conclusions:
    • once, the Grays used to live on their own planet they fell prey to an invasion, which they haven't been aware of
    • unsighted, another race (probably Reptilians) caused catastrophes on their planet
    • when survival on their planet was almost impossible, the intruders appeared like saviours the condition for their "help" was the obedience of the Grays
    Alex Collier goes into more details on how the greys were about to disappear as an ethnic group because the lizzies got onto their case (and planet) and turned the females of the grey's species infertile and therefore unable to reproduce and provide for "containers" for their souls. Then the lizzies stepped in and proposed the greys with their cloning technology in exchange for their subservience.

    That was million if not billion years ago.
    --------------------------------------

    ... so, "draining the swamp" is about the equivalent of getting rid of all the corrupted priesthoods and government officials, etc. so that someone can step up on the "hero" pedestal"... and the current campaign of inoculations for depopulation and rendering the survivor infertile... leading to their trans-humanism wet dream.

    ... getting an idea of the colossal enormity of what's at stake?

    Thanks Gwin, very logical strategy if you want to trap everyone. Somehow I feel this is the case that is why I seldom watch videos of knowledge gurus. I don't listen to anyone of them. The only people I listen to are the wise people of Avalon (with a grain of salt). But then this is a discussion forum. The moment a person start listening to widely promoted videos of seemingly knowledgeable gurus he is in danger of bait and switch. This is the case of so many misguided but honest truth seekers. "truth is self explanatory"

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    ...

    ... maybe it's time to revisit not-so-old posted data:

    Regarding the so-called black and white hats AKA alliance and Putin's/Trump's team, etc... :
    This diagram is designed to help one understand some basics of the operational structure of Satan’s entire working hierarchy, which incorporates both non-human and human servers, whether conscious or unconscious.

    There are two basic sides (“Lodges”) of Satan’s Organization: the “dark” side (the “left-hand path”), and the “light” side (the “right hand path”), and the top-ranking members of Satan’s Organization (the “Spiritual Hierarchy”) oversees and rules both.
    ⇒ Note: it didn’t always used to be this way, but today, it isn’t uncommon now for some, particularly those who are on higher levels within each section, to go back and forth between the “dark side” and the “light side,” depending upon the purpose they serve within Satan’s Organization and the message that the fallen want to channel through them. The reason for this is because in truth, both sides serve the same purpose! And this purposeful blurring of the line between “dark” and “light” and blending the two, is causing people to believe the lie that “dark” and “light” balance one another, that the “dark” is just as desirable as the “light,” and that “dark” can be used for “good.”
    This is a very deliberate manipulation by Satan’s Spiritual Hierarchy that is fooling many!

    The “left-hand path” is composed of all the different forms of the “dark arts.” It is referred to by the Spiritual Hierarchy as “The Brotherhood of the Black Lodge,” and is described as being blatant Satanism that is governed by “The Son of Perdition”.

    The “right-hand path” is composed of all the different forms of Luciferianism (the “light side”), and is referred to by the Spiritual Hierarchy as “The White Brotherhood” or “The Brotherhood of the White Lodge.”
    ⇒ Note: Some people use the terms Brotherhood of the White Lodge of the Ascended Masters of Wisdom, The Brotherhood of Light, The Brotherhood, The Great White Brotherhood, The Great White Lodge, or even The Sisterhood of Light. But these are terms that are all referring to the same thing.
    From my experience, the most dangerous side is the “White Lodge,” because they are the most deceptive, masquerading as holy, benevolent, “illumined” servants or angels of God. I’d like to reiterate that both sides (the “light” side and the “dark” side) take orders from the same source! That source is Lucifer (Satan) and his inner circle of his chosen fallen angels, referred to as “The Spiritual Hierarchy.”

    Only the people in the highest level of each Lodge (both the “Black Lodge” and the “White Lodge”) are aware that both sides are of the same organization, governed by the very same head, which is Lucifer, who is Satan. All those who reach this level are fully Illumined.”

    Looking at the diagram again, notice that the pyramid is divided into levels from the foundation on up to the very top: each of those levels represents a degree of “spiritual enlightenment,” and each level is governed by its own hierarchy that is within itself a hierarchy, able to operate independently of the other levels. Only the top members of each level know that there are levels higher than the one they are working in. One advances to a higher level through an initiation where the initiate is trusted with “higher” esoteric (hidden, occult) knowledge.

    ⇒ Note: this “esoteric knowledge” is also referred to by many Christians and pagans alike as “mysteries”. Some Christians occultists also refer to this as “the meat of the word,” or, “the deeper or higher things of ‘God.'”
    ----------------------------------------------


    ... then, amalgamate the above with the "Orion Model":

    Orion model

    One of Alex Collier's interviews by Robert Stanley who yanked those interviews off his website...


    Alex Collier interview, 2011-10-27
    http://kiwi6.com/file/f8s5019nne


    Welcome to a new episode of Unicus Radio, I am your host Robert Stanley we have a special guest, our friend Alex Collier.

    “ …our ancient ancestors, the Sumerians, the Egyptians they all had full knowledge of our cousins. They often saw them in the air, they had some forms of interaction between them and humanity on a relatively frequent basis. The Mayans, the Aztecs also have the same stories of being with the gods and you know, agriculture, horticulture, manufacturing were all taught to our ancestors. It’s after, really, the sinking of Atlantis and then the last pole shift that occurred which was caused by the Anunaki where everything kind of went black, and then what we have basically, we have all these legends on this as we are taught but are in fact based on actual history. Now, as far as the freeing of the galaxy…

    “I am gona tell you what I have been told.

    “’For the most part, most of the galaxy is pretty civilized, ok. It’ really matured, it’s coming to its own. But there are some areas, mostly on the outskirts, where it’s still pretty [much] considered “jungle.” But that’s changing rapidly as well. Now, if you remember when I first started speaking, the Andromedans, Moreney and Faceyas, had said that tyranny showed up in our galaxy in the future and they had come back in time to find out what was going on and they had narrowed it down – not just the As but several groups or teams that were part of the Adromedan council -- had come back and had focused it to this particular area of our solar system.

    “Now, we have some really bad elements here. They are not just here but in this kind of sector, this part of our galaxy. Some are in our solar system, obviously, and some are directly underneath us. But some are also inhabiting some of the other planets and moons in our solar system.

    05:00
    “Basically this was like a free zone. This was an area where nobody paid attention to. And it's because of that that this rogue element was drawn here because they felt like they could do whatever the hell they wanted to do. In essence you could say this was like a lure to them. This area that nobody gives a sh*t about, that’s where we go, that’s where we hide. Like pirates would do.

    “So, they come here en masse, in numbers, not only physically but dimensionally. The dimensional part, doors were opened for them so they could actually come in and now basically what you have now is that you have this cesspool of just renegades who for the most part have all their own agendas. They may have different agendas, but none of those agendas are really about the betterment and welfare of the natives. It’s all about what can we get for ourselves. And humanity has mirrored this as well, you know, in our history.

    “So, now, what we have is that the doors are closing. Behind this group, I know there are some basically saying it’s over, and that is absolutely so far from the truth. And I’ll give you an analogy of why that's so far from the truth. Now, it is clear that they are backing up and they are beginning to know that they are cornered. But it isn’t over because we are between them and the good guys. For the most part humanity is completely unaware of what’s really going on around themselves. Humanity is in a very precarious position.

    “But I’ll just give you this analogy. You even hear it with some of these speakers saying, you know, a brand new financial system is coming in, and it’s gona be miraculous, it’s gona be absolutely wonderful; it’s gona replace the old system. Well, the old system was based on a fiat currency from, they only last about 80 years. So it’s coming to an end. It has reached its pinnacle of putting everybody in debt. So we have now a new financial system coming in. This is an Earth financial system. However it is being managed by other personages who are not solely human.

    “At this point, there were only four countries that were not part of the Rothschild’s banking system. They were North Korea, Cuba, Libya and Iran. Well we know Libya is no longer a part of that. They're no longer free, they are now part of the Rothschild’s banking system. The next would be Iran and we are already hearing the ramblings about going to war with Iran and making them the bad guy. As far as North Korea and Cuba, I don’t think anybody gives a sh*t about those two countries.

    “So, this should show everyone that what they’re hearing that it’s all over, it’s time to relax, you know, pick up your heels, open a six-pack, you know, it’s way premature, way premature.

    25:30
    “Most people in government don’t really understand the real element of control here and that it’s extraterrestrial. They are aware of the human element. Those that have awareness of it, made a choice to succumb to this evil. I am sure that they were probably threatened and that their families were threatened, etc. Because we have inherited this problem. Those alive today inherited this problem. But this is the Orion Model.

    “This is what the Orions, both the human aspect of what’s the Anunaki are a part of and the Reptilian lineages used to do, hundreds and hundreds of millions of years ago when the colonization of galaxies was in its beginning and its infancy. I don’t even know how many years ago that was.

    “But this is the Orion Model: they would come in with different gods, they would separate the humanity of that planet. They would change their language. They would teach them a faith or a religion to separate them even more. Then they would use them to fight one another to build animosity and distrust.

    “That alone changes the entire harmonic of not only the race but the planet. They think holographically, they know this stuff. They know what it does, ok, because they have all this knowledge.

    “So, when you have planetary race and a planet vibrating at a low frequency, it is like a nesting zone for these guys. And when that’s done, what they then do is they corrupt, they create a priesthood to be the intermediaries between humanity and them because the more hidden they are, especially if they are regressive, the more stealth they are, the easier it is for them to manipulate.

    “So, they use their human priesthoods, or their priesthoods – I am assuming all the races are human; they are not -- to basically implement the strategy and the plan.

    “Once they have absolute control of a planet and the humanity on it and all the resources, just before they expose themselves, come forward and introduce themselves as gods, what they do is they eliminate all the people that helped them. All, the priesthoods, all the intermediaries, all the middle management, they eliminate all of them so there is no one left to tell the story. And they erase history. Then the humanity on that particular planet is floundering around wondering “Who the hell are we?” “what’s true, what isn’t true? “How do you explain this?” “That religion says that.” It creates all this confusion and no one is on the same page and that’s exactly how they managed to control these planets.

    ““Ordo ab chao”

    “You cannot enslave a planet that is well educated and you have a humanity that knows who it is on high spiritual principles. You cannot enslave a race like that.”

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    ... so, in terms of where we are at on this planet, here is the clincher, all in the name of lending a helping hand:
    Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    The sorrowful history of the Grays [Franz Erdl]
    Usually I write about my personal experiences only and avoid quoting stuff which I don't really know much about. In this case I make an exception because a book, which I read a long time ago is the missing link to our own experiences with the Grays. I forgot the name of the author, but I remember he was an US-Military remote viewer. He drew the following conclusions:
    • once, the Grays used to live on their own planet they fell prey to an invasion, which they haven't been aware of
    • unsighted, another race (probably Reptilians) caused catastrophes on their planet
    • when survival on their planet was almost impossible, the intruders appeared like saviours the condition for their "help" was the obedience of the Grays
    Alex Collier goes into more details on how the greys were about to disappear as an ethnic group because the lizzies got onto their case (and planet) and turned the females of the grey's species infertile and therefore unable to reproduce and provide for "containers" for their souls. Then the lizzies stepped in and proposed the greys with their cloning technology in exchange for their subservience.

    That was million if not billion years ago.
    --------------------------------------

    ... so, "draining the swamp" is about the equivalent of getting rid of all the corrupted priesthoods and government officials, etc. so that someone can step up on the "hero" pedestal"... and the current campaign of inoculations for depopulation and rendering the survivor infertile... leading to their trans-humanism wet dream.

    ... getting an idea of the colossal enormity of what's at stake?

    Thanks Gwin, very logical strategy if you want to trap everyone. Somehow I feel this is the case that is why I seldom watch videos of knowledge gurus. I don't listen to anyone of them. The only people I listen to are the wise people of Avalon (with a grain of salt). But then this is a discussion forum. The moment a person start listening to widely promoted videos of seemingly knowledgeable gurus he is in danger of bait and switch. This is the case of so many misguided but honest truth seekers. "truth is self explanatory"
    IMO gaining knowledge is different for each individual. If you are highly claircognizant you need only to ask or think about a subject and you revive it. That is what Penny does as well as Gigi Young and many others. Many psychics avoid other psychics work so they don't become influenced by them. To some extent we all have this ability, but its minimal. Thus it expresses itself more as a knowing that something feels, or seems true or that "resonates with me." IMO learning from others has been very valuable and I feel it is their gift to the world. It's my job to learn discernment and figure out what is true. I have been fooled but also feel I have found truth as well. It's just my journey in 3D not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

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    I wouldn’t say “she explained it so much better...” Penny’s was specific, and yours was larger in scope, as well as informative. I downloaded her vid and also added your post to my Penny Kelly folder.

    Thank you, Savannah.

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    Thanks Runningdear, she explained it so much better...
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    ...

    ... maybe it's time to revisit not-so-old posted data:

    Regarding the so-called black and white hats AKA alliance and Putin's/Trump's team, etc... :
    [CENTER][INDENT][INDENT]
    This diagram is designed to help one understand some basics of the operational structure of Satan’s entire working hierarchy, which incorporates both non-human and human servers, whether conscious or unconscious.

    There are two basic sides (“Lodges”) of Satan’s Organization: the “dark” side (the “left-hand path”), and the “light” side (the “right hand path”), and the top-ranking members of Satan’s Organization (the “Spiritual Hierarchy”) oversees and rules both.
    ⇒ Note: it didn’t always used to be this way, but today, it isn’t uncommon now for some, particularly those who are on higher levels within each section, to go back and forth between the “dark side” and the “light side,” depending upon the purpose they serve within Satan’s Organization and the message that the fallen want to channel through them. The reason for this is because in truth, both sides serve the same purpose! And this purposeful blurring of the line between “dark” and “light” and blending the two, is causing people to believe the lie that “dark” and “light” balance one another, that the “dark” is just as desirable as the “light,” and that “dark” can be used for “good.”
    This is a very deliberate manipulation by Satan’s Spiritual Hierarchy that is fooling many!


    ... so, "draining the swamp" is about the equivalent of getting rid of all the corrupted priesthoods and government officials, etc. so that someone can step up on the "hero" pedestal"... and the current campaign of inoculations for depopulation and rendering the survivor infertile... leading to their trans-humanism wet dream.

    ... getting an idea of the colossal enormity of what's at stake?

    The diagram accords with a couple of the 'tentative' statements I think it's possible to make about TPTB. The first being that they play both sides of the duality game. If there's an unpopular govt policy and a protest outside against it, they're likely in both camps and both the policy and the protest may be serving a second higher objective.

    I think this playing both sides goes further, they seek to present a conflict and perhaps there is one, they duel each other for the right to sit in that first chair below the head of the pyramid, but the underlying deeper truth is that both factions ultimately serve the same master. The light may appear better than the cartoon villainy of the dark, but as time goes on they both prove false and as the text suggests the false light proves deadlier than the obvious dark?

    Order of the Golden Dawn / Thelema / OTO and related groupings may be one of the two factions within TPTB that are in conflict/pseudo conflict, if indeed this conflict is real and not a false dualism that is presented to us as part of the Duality Game. I've also seen this expressed as , The Dragon vs The Phoneix, Egyptian vs Roman, Lucifer vs HaSatan.

    The second, that many within the system may not know who they ultimately serve? That was said to be the case with Freemasonry, see the Albert Pike letter and the 'reveal' on reaching the 32nd and 33rd degrees. No idea if true, but it feels true just as I don't believe the people that we can see are anything more than figureheads or actors.

    As for the Orion scenario. This plays in with the idea of a fake apocalypse. By which I mean there's all kinds of signs now that some group are playing out Revelation as a script, which is exactly what James Shelby Downard (coined the phrase 'Revelation of the Method') said would happen:

    Quote …the mythology of Revelations will be followed like Tinker-Toy instructions: a time of tribulation will come first, after which survivors will be made “one” via a post-tribulation “rapture” spawned by the technical sorcery of having their brain pleasure centers titillated magnetically so that all will cum together.
    5G + Graphene?

    with the crossing of the great eclipse in 2024 bringing the 7 years from the marker to a close.

    Ties in with Lavette Hawkins who has plotted 9/11, Katrina etc as being sacrificial markers for an eclipse ritual aimed at controlling the new age as they blow the New Madrid.

    Sorry for the huge digression, let me try to bring it back round to Penny and her fears over Trump. I think there's more to come on Q and there's likely much truth to what Cliff High and others are saying but I keep on thinking back to this poem which he read more than once and which his supporters were loudly cheering. When people like Penny say they have misgivings I listen to them, because I have them too.

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