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    Default The Garden of Eden

    If, And, But...

    Perhaps we are heading for our return to the Garden of Edan. Thrown out initially
    because we/they did not listen to God that may have "lied" to us.

    The serpent in the Garden (there must have been more than one) told Eve that
    they would not surely die if they ate of the tree of knowledge or the tree of good and evil.
    They did not die physically but maybe spiritually. The serpent must have known that.

    Whether time is linear or not we may have a chance to go back onto the Garden.

    If the God lied to them for whatever reason we may be able to find out why.

    We could start again and this time maybe throw out the serpents who may be the same ones who are destroying us now.

    I'm just speculating but it came to me last night when I could not sleep.
    Often I have good ideas but can not remember them in the morning when I wake.

    I don't remember what I thought last night in the same words exactly but I think it is
    sort of close.

    What do those who may be interested think? I'd be curious to know.
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    I have read comments here and there about the original story being different. There are stories about Adam and some other female creation who was regarded by the story as not good in some way. Also, it seems to be an alligory. There is too much we do not know to invest so much in believing it. Perhaps someone here knows of surviving literature from the distant past that will shed light on the real and original story if it goes beyond an alligory.

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    The Garden of Eden was the place that God appointed for Adam and Eve to live therein, but not to eat from the forbidden tree. It was a test for the first humans to obey God and they failed.
    (7:13) said, "Descend from the Garden, for it is not for you to be arrogant therein. So get out; indeed, you are of the debased.

    God knows what He has created and what is in the begining of every cycle and what's in the end, but the creation doesn't know. Adam and Eve repented for their actions and it was accepted a second chance, but to be tested in lower level...and here we are.

    The destination for the righteous isn't the garden of Eden, but the Paradise which is on the higher dimension and near the presence of God.
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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    The serpent in the Garden (there must have been more than one) told Eve that
    they would not surely die if they ate of the tree of knowledge or the tree of good and evil.
    They did not die physically but maybe spiritually. The serpent must have known that.
    Oh no lol, "understanding and "knowing" are two very different things.

    You "know" people die. But, do you "understand" what happens on their minds while they are dying? Can you look into their eyes and see what they are experiencing, second by second, until "the lights go out?"

    Expand that into spirituality <3
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    An awful lot is lost in translation, from Hebrew to Greek to English and other languages.
    The snake/reptile becomes, in my interpretation a Reptilian who could speak freely.

    Also, according to Jordan Maxwell as he studied the old Hebrew text the EL for God was plural,
    more than one God. That makes sense to me.

    The God who was in the Garden of Edan was not very God like as we see God today.
    Maybe the Reptilian lied to Eve to cause she and Adam to disobey God so they would be thrown out of
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    In the Scriptures it's clearly mentioned, in many verses, that is one God only and also it's mentioned "Lord of the worlds", not only of this one.

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    Hebrew "Garden of Delight," based on the Persian Heden or primal garden where the first couple were joined together as a bisexual being in the Golden Age. Like all images of the earthly paradise, Eden was located in the far west originally, where the sun went each night. That is why the Bible says known lands lay "cast of Eden" (Genesis 4:16).
    • Barbara G. Walker ... The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets.
    --o-O-o--

    Haste was made to position "Eden," the home of the biblical Adam, the first man of the first race. It was to be found in the East of course, in the Northern plains of India. It could be identified with the Pamir Plateau, while the river Pison of Genesis was linked with the great Indus River that began there. This zone was erroneously designated, by British-Israelites and others, as the cradle of the Aryans. The main reason why the Himalayan regions were selected for the original homeland of the Aryans was because the main creation myths refer to a great central "White Mountain" that existed in Eden. This central mountain was known as Meru. Indeed, the Pamir Mountains, and those nearby known as Amu Darya, are the highest ranges in the world. However, the word Meru actually connotes Egypt and the pyramids. The pyramid of Giza was the "white mountain" of the legends, and Egypt was the biblical Eden.
    • Michael Tsarion ... The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1.
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    Biblical legend states that Harran was where Adam and Even went after their expulsion from Eden. Terah, the father of Abraham, is also connected with Harran. The moon god Sin was worshipped there.
    • Michael Tsarion ... The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1.
    --o-O-o--


    The Edenic Garden contained not only the rudiments of human existence but also the other kingdoms which were to manifest. It was therefore a sort of superior earth in which forms of life developed and prepared themselves for physical incarnation, even as the wise in this world are building superphysical bodies in which to function when the race has finished its physical evolution.
    • Manly P Hall ... How to Understand Your Bible.
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    In the Biblical story, man dwelt in a Paradisiacal sphere before his fall into the mystery of generation. This Paradisiacal sphere is called a garden, and has been variously located by religious enthusiasts upon almost every part of the earth's surface. Eden is not, however, on the earth's surface, but above it, or, more correctly, in a higher etheric element which encloses the earth in a globe of translucent energy. The four rivers are the four streams of ether or energy which sustain the four kingdoms of the physical world - mineral, vegetable, animal, and human. Man physically is nourished by the vital ethers of nature. Man physically is nourished by the vital ethers of nature. These ethers now work through him, but in pre-Adamic times he possessed no physical body and these ethers formed an etheric body.
    • Manly P Hall ... How to Understand Your Bible.
    --o-O-o--

    The story of the garden of Eden and of Adam and Eve is but the sublimation of the story of the struggle of the Snake worshipping aboriginees of the Euphrates Valley against the gods of the Eloihim, who in Sumerian were term the "Ilu." The Garden there spoken of was Babylon "The gate of the gods" as the name means. Babylon surrounded by high walls was indeed a garden in the strict sense of the word for it was large enough to hold agricultural grounds as well as houses. Into this garden the gods took the proletarians or "forerunners of the gods" on probation, to make "like us." The Serpent priest or Satan warned them they would only be slaves. (The Pharaoh of Egypt was called a Dragon, Ezekial 29:3, and the soldiers of the Pharaoh were called Dragons. Thus it may be easily seen why the children of Israel were prone to worship the Serpent, the emblem of the gods from whence they came.) Such conditions might be almost modern comparatively speaking, had the Pilgrim Fathers invited the Indians into their villages "To make men of them or to make them in their own image." Indian Snake doctors and priests might advise the contrary.

    Thus man, unwilling to follow the advice of the gods, was suffered to go without the fruits of the garden.
    • Henry Binkley Stein ... Thirty Thousand Gods Before Jehovah.
    --o-O-o--

    Returning to the Gardens, the Greek word Paradise is literally Para Deus or Dios, the Park of the Gods. It is a matter of written history that the Romans related that German Gods and Godesses dwelt in groves on the upper Elbe and on the northern islands. Most elaborately described were the Health resorts of the Priests of Aesculapius, the Greek God of Medicine, known today by all doctors. At these pleasant resorts, the patient placed himself wholly within the care of the God, and generally recovered, due to the sanitation, the mineral waters, the diet, etc., and should he have had an incurable disease he was told he had incurred the enmity of the God and could not recover his health. Such resorts as these were located in the mountains of Italy and Greece and even in central Germany and Austria.
    • Henry Binkley Stein ... The Axe Was God.
    --o-O-o--

    One remarkable feature regarding these gardens or parks is that they occupied the most desirable, the most healthful places, and that furnishes a clue in discovering them and distinguishing them from settlements of later times.
    • Henry Binkley Stein ... The Axe Was God.
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    The gardens of the Gods were in reality thousands of enclosed sanctuaries throughout Europe from Ireland to Asia Minor. The Enclosure, for such a word is about the only generalization fitting all instances, is identified by some hundred fifty names in different languages, all, to a degree, meaning garden.
    • Henry Binkley Stein ... The Axe Was God.
    --o-O-o--

    Eventually, the exodus of the Adamic race became known to the “Serpent Masters,” who grew furious and vengeful. This was the third time that their plans and exploits had been thwarted. First, they were banished from their home planet. Then after coming to a new one, they created a race to serve them, but which did not; and when they finally created the perfect servant, they found them permanently seduced away from their duties. The ire of the Atlanteans at this snubbing was so intense that they unleashed an atomic war on the “Sons of the Serpent” and their Adamic wards, now resident on Lemuria (Oceania). These latter were not unprepared, however, and being technically advanced, set up to defend themselves and retaliate against their evil adversaries on Atlantis. So, there was on Earth a nuclear war. It was an event that changed the face of Earth history. The war between the gods (the “Serpent Masters” and the “Sons of the Serpents”)
    • Michael Tsarion ... Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation.
    --o-O-o--

    However, something happened that thwarted their plans for a third time. The “Sons of the Serpents” on Lemuria found out what their fathers were doing and about the newly created race that had taken their place as unwitting servants to evil. It occurred to them that such experiments were wrong and that this latest servant race was, although ignorant, part human and, therefore, “cousins” to themselves. It was decided that emissaries of the “Sons of the Serpents” would make contact with the new race.

    Members of the “Sons of the Serpents” entered the “Garden” to open dialogue with their cousins in bondage and spiritual ignorance. The male Adams were not that interested in the counsel of their visitors. But the females, the Eves, were. It is said that the Eves found the newcomers comely and attractive. The visitors told those Adams and Eves who would listen that they were being kept in a state of induced ignorance and servitude, but that it was within them to become “gods” themselves, and that if they left the garden and came to Lemuria (Oceania), they would be shown all that had been hidden from them and be awakened to their true natures. Finally, because of this intercession, a great multitude of the Adamic race did follow their wise visitors to their island paradise. They were taken to Lemuria by spacecraft.
    • Michael Tsarion ... Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation.
    --o-O-o--

    It should again be emphasized that Serapatatia was altogether honest and wholly sincere in all that he proposed. He never once suspected that he was playing into the hands of Caligastia and Daligastia. Serapatatia was entirely loyal to the plan of building up a strong reserve of the violet race before attempting the world-wide upstepping of the confused peoples of Urantia. But this would require hundreds of years to consummate, and he was impatient; he wanted to see some immediate results—something in his own lifetime. He made it clear to Eve that Adam was oftentimes discouraged by the little that had been accomplished toward uplifting the world.
    • Solonia ... The Urantia Book.
    --o-O-o--

    It must be remembered that Caligastia was still the titular Planetary Prince of Urantia, a misguided but nevertheless high Son of the local universe. He was not finally deposed until the times of Christ Michael on Urantia.

    But the fallen Prince was persistent and determined. He soon gave up working on Adam and decided to try a wily flank attack on Eve. The evil one concluded that the only hope for success lay in the adroit employment of suitable persons belonging to the upper strata of the Nodite group, the descendants of his onetime corporeal-staff associates. And the plans were accordingly laid for entrapping the mother of the violet race.

    It was farthest from Eve's intention ever to do anything which would militate against Adam's plans or jeopardize their planetary trust. Knowing the tendency of woman to look upon immediate results rather than to plan farsightedly for more remote effects, the Melchizedeks, before departing, had especially enjoined Eve as to the peculiar dangers besetting their isolated position on the planet and had in particular warned her never to stray from the side of her mate, that is, to attempt no personal or secret methods of furthering their mutual undertakings. Eve had most scrupulously carried out these instructions for more than one hundred years, and it did not occur to her that any danger would attach to the increasingly private and confidential visits she was enjoying with a certain Nodite leader named Serapatatia. The whole affair developed so gradually and naturally that she was taken unawares.

    ...Influenced by flattery, enthusiasm, and great personal persuasion, Eve then and there consented to embark upon the much-discussed enterprise, to add her own little scheme of world saving to the larger and more far-reaching divine plan. Before she quite realized what was transpiring, the fatal step had been taken. It was done.
    • Solonia ... The Urantia Book.
    --o-O-o--

    Nowhere in the Genesis account is there any mention, direct or indirect, of Satan's involvement, and yet it has become common practice for the Church to portray the serpent as an emissary of Satan, or even as Satan himself.
    • Laurence Gardner ... Genesis of the Grail Kings.
    --o-O-o--

    Since we know that El Elyon-Jehovah was synonymous with Enlil, the Garden of Eden story is a direct representation of the ongoing feud between the Anunnaki brothers. Enlil was insistent that humankind should be kept in ignorance, and should be maintained solely to toil and to bear the yoke of the Anunnaki. But Enki had other ideas: he was insistent that the black-headed people should be educated.
    • Laurence Gardner ... Genesis of the Grail Kings.

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    • William Bramley's - The Gods of Eden - chapters 1 - 12:

    • William Bramley's - The Gods of Eden - chapters 29 - 41:


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    The Garden of Eden is a highly symbolic story – but it’s misinterpreted or not understood at all by many people, including many Christians. On a superficial level, it warns us about temptation, and how our desire for sensory pleasure or short-term gratification can lead us into suffering. On a deeper level, it highlights how the “God” of the Old Testament is a wrathful figure who punishes those who dare to evolve and develop their intelligence. This “God”, of course, is not the true “First Source” or “All-loving God” that many people sense and envision, but rather a distorted “God” intent on keeping his place as ruler in the hierarchy.

    On another level, the Garden of Eden myth represents the Fall of Man, a highly significant event in humanity’s history where we “fell” from our hearts to our heads or to our guts. By this, I mean we moved out of heart center – the true leader and center of the body – and into a lower center not as fit for leading. Some say this is the head (due to our obsession with left-brain analysis and incessant thinking), some say this is the gut (due to our tendencies to act from lower state emotions like fear, greed and the desire for pleasure), but that’s not so important. The point is that rather than using our heart and True Self to lead us, we are using our brains, guts and Ego to lead us, which is a literal falling from grace.



    There is another sinister aspect to this story, of course, and that involves the snake. There is evidence that the Fall of Man was not the result of a momentary lapse of reason on the part of Eve and Adam, as it has been portrayed, but rather the result of a cold and calculated intervention by an outside force. I refer to the alleged genetic tampering that occurred to early man, which is surely a cause for a deep and gaping collective primal psychic wound. Indeed, it is hard to imagine more of a violation than someone going in and messing around with your genetics, and disconnecting parts of it to suppress your full potential! Many researchers, authors, mystics and other people have referred to the original distortion as genetic intervention; some such as Barbara Marciniak have suggested that this is why humans now operate on 2-strand DNA instead of 12-strand DNA. It also explains why we have all this genetic material sitting there unused (a phenomenon which has led many scientists to brand it as “junk DNA” in their ignorance). Whether this genetic intervention was done by a literal reptilian race, or whether the snake represents us falling back to our reptilian roots (every human has a more primal reptilian brain underneath the mammalian brain or neocortex) is an open question, but there is no doubt that extraterrestrial Reptilian races exist, due to the research of people like David Icke, James Bartley, Barbara Bartholic, Barbara Lamb and many many others who have either exposed the reptilian theme running throughout the elite families, or have documented hundreds or thousands of actual contactee/abductee cases. For many reasons, it is hardly a coincidence that the snake or reptile is involved in the Fall of Man.
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    Quote Posted by Iceberg (here)
    In the Scriptures it's clearly mentioned, in many verses, that is one God only and also it's mentioned "Lord of the worlds", not only of this one.
    Hi Iceberg,

    There are many places where "God" told his followers, "I am your God, you shall have no Gods before me. He also said I am a jealous God demanding that he be worshiped and he only.

    There were "gods" mentioned in Ezekiel who visited in a "chariot" from the heavens.

    Also Moses met with a god who was different in my opinion from others mentioned in the scriptures.

    They seemed to be extra terrestrial IMO.
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    There is a clear misunderstanding when it comes to aliens or other beings, because they have always been refered as gods because of their higher position then us, but has nothing to do with the Creator of the worlds, because even aliens or angels or other beings are a creation. The Scriptures only make clear some of the key moments, that we can get an idea of the reality that we live in, but it doesn't tell the details about involvement of aliens or other beings and how the story has gone. From the Scriptures we can acknowledge what is our purpose in here and why are we enemy to each other since the time of Abel and Cain. We need to be aware that living in this reality is in balance between good and evil and there are beings on each side, no one will fully overtake the other because the force of the balance wont let it, but we are here to live our life in the best way we can, to seek the truth, to help each other and to try to find the right path to salvation.

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    • Prime Creator is way too big for any "man-made and/or alien-made" religions and is beyond any label we use!




    ... and any "God" that needs or demands worship is a big huge red flag!



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    As John wrote quite well there, the Garden of Eden has quite many meanings. It refers a lot to the original, innocent and pure state of humanity. I also think that it refers to Atlantean and pre-Atlantean times when Lemuria still existed. Once upon a time people were not as we are now, they were more like light beings. That's the destiny of humanity, to become more evolved and less dense beings once again if society isn't completely blown to bits in the next few decades.

    I have felt that male presence of God, spoken to Him too and he certainly was omnipresent and part of me, existing in every atom that constitutes my being here, but I still think He wasn't the Ultimate Creator of everything. I just knew that in my being. That made me think that this our galaxy has it's own God, Logos if you will. Our bodies, the Adamic bodies were created in the image of "God" and they are vehicles for our spirits. Earth has it's history, but a great part of humanity has come from elsewhere too, Mars once was like Earth. Many warlike souls destroyed the who planet so many of them were brought here, I guess that's why this planet has seen so much warfare. Technological inventions are always turned into weapons, that's a strange obsession men always have with their extreme yang energy. So much spiritual warfare and experimentantions between different ET races, and the reptilians surely have played their part in dominating and manipulating this species. They are not the real rulers of this domain though, they just think so in their foolish, misguided arrogance.

    There are deities, angels, demons, Gods, all part of the one Creator. Some are here in human form. The dark ones are the ones who deny their connection to the Creator and Love. The one Creator does not ask for anything, because it's Love in it's purest form. It is you and me, because ultimately there is no separation between "us".
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    As John wrote quite well there, the Garden of Eden has quite many meanings. It refers a lot to the original, innocent and pure state of humanity. I also think that it refers to Atlantean and pre-Atlantean times when Lemuria still existed. Once upon a time people were not as we are now, they were more like light beings. That's the destiny of humanity, to become more evolved and less dense beings once again if society isn't completely blown to bits in the next few decades.

    I have felt that male presence of God, spoken to Him too and he certainly was omnipresent and part of me, existing in every atom that constitutes my being here, but I still think He wasn't the Ultimate Creator of everything. I just knew that in my being. That made me think that this our galaxy has it's own God, Logos if you will. Our bodies, the Adamic bodies were created in the image of "God" and they are vehicles for our spirits. Earth has it's history, but a great part of humanity has come from elsewhere too, Mars once was like Earth. Many warlike souls destroyed the who planet so many of them were brought here, I guess that's why this planet has seen so much warfare. Technological inventions are always turned into weapons, that's a strange obsession men always have with their extreme yang energy. So much spiritual warfare and experimentantions between different ET races, and the reptilians surely have played their part in dominating and manipulating this species. They are not the real rulers of this domain though, they just think so in their foolish, misguided arrogance.

    There are deities, angels, demons, Gods, all part of the one Creator. Some are here in human form. The dark ones are the ones who deny their connection to the Creator and Love. The one Creator does not ask for anything, because it's Love in it's purest form. It is you and me, because ultimately there is no separation between "us".
    When i felt the presence of "God" i did not sense male or female, it was completely off that, it just "was". It felt tremendously powerful, in a way there are no words invented by any language that could describe it. It "permeated" across everything, so to speak. It only lasted for a little bit, like a minute or so, but it was enough to understand lots of things and see the world in a different way after. After it ended, i walked out and looked at people, and the streets, and buildings and cars passing by and all that, and i saw a different world than before, could not even begin to explain really

    I don't know how or why it happened, but i have understood some things from that. And it has never happened again, i guess it's a one time chance. Glad to know you experienced that, and it kind of filters through on your posts and personality

    By the way, i went to ask a preacher about it, and he looked at me like i was crazy, and then asked if i had any known 'mental' issues, so to speak lol, and asked to talk to my mom. I could not explain what happened well, it was impossible, he got angry i think, that he had not experienced something similar in his life, and he yelled at me and hit me on the head with a notebook because i refused to say i had imagined it.. talk about being a "father" and "guide" and all that stuff... lmao

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    Mars once was like Earth. Many warlike souls destroyed the who planet so many of them were brought here
    In the The Martian Chronicles book, it reminds me of the moment when the kid says something like "you promised we would see martians" and the dad says look at the river, "he looked at the water and the martian was right there, looking back at him" or something on those lines
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    When i felt the presence of "God" i did not sense male or female, it was completely off that, it just "was". It felt tremendously powerful, in a way there are no words invented by any language that could describe it. It "permeated" across everything, so to speak. It only lasted for a little bit, like a minute or so, but it was enough to understand lots of things and see the world in a different way after. After it ended, i walked out and looked at people, and the streets, and buildings and cars passing by and all that, and i saw a different world than before, could not even begin to explain really
    Then perhaps you were in the presence of the ultimate Creator. It actually sounds more profound than what I experienced even though what I felt was pretty darn amazing too.

    Quote I don't know how or why it happened, but i have understood some things from that. And it has never happened again, i guess it's a one time chance. Glad to know you experienced that, and it kind of filters through on your posts and personality
    Well thanks. Everything happens for a reason I suppose...

    Quote By the way, i went to ask a preacher about it, and he looked at me like i was crazy, and then asked if i had any known 'mental' issues, so to speak lol, and asked to talk to my mom. I could not explain what happened well, it was impossible, he got angry i think, that he had not experienced something similar in his life, and he yelled at me and hit me on the head with a notebook because i refused to say i had imagined it.. talk about being a "father" and "guide" and all that stuff... lmao
    I remember once, perhaps in my teens writing an email to a priest asking about some things. The thing however is that I was never really satisfied with the answers that religion or teachers gave. Sure they gave some guidance, but I always felt that something was missing or the message was distorted through a lens of dogma or whatever. That's the problem with science these days too btw, not just religion. Science has become a religion of it's own too, that's what close-minded belief systems create.

    Am I a Christian? Yes and no, I was baptized as a child without my consent (obviously as babies can't protest much), but that has been part of my culture which is my current operating system. Yet I have been far more comfortable with Eastern teachings, because I lived there mainly in past (lives). I still wouldn't want to call myself a Buddhist or a Taiost, because I don't like to be put in a box. I always asked the question why? Why does anything exist when there could be nothing at all? Or what is God? Who am I? That's the greatest mystery there is. When I ask the questions, I never stop until I am satisfied and for that I need to comprehend the truth about the way things really are. That's my "problem" or quality.

    I've had different kind of mystical experiences and there's a lot I could say about them, but I don't usually like to talk much about them, not even here although in recent years I have opened up a little more. There's two reasons mainly and I suppose it's because that I don't want to appear as anything at all, I'm only a truthseeker or truthsayer. First of all, because I often know that people have difficulties understanding some deep topics, it's just much easier to categorize someone as a mental case. Sadly I have known quite few people with real mental issues so I do know what's the difference. The second reason is that I don't want to appear as someone who is on a ego trip, because that's not the case. I know what I am and I'm no better or worse than anyone else.

    You'd just think that some things are too weird or crazy to be real, yet they are very real indeed. Now I have been trying to become comfortable with fear too. I have experienced such profound fear and terror in my life that I just can't allow it to affect my life anymore. I almost know it inside out. The thing is that I don't even like to talk about myself, but now I did it. Oh well! "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream."

    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Quote Whether time is linear or not we may have a chance to go back onto the Garden.
    Time is not linear, if you are/were able to travel in time, and you go 2 years into the future, then the point of time you were at is the past, right? And if you go 2 years back, then the point of time "in the future" is now the past, also

    Quote If the God lied to them for whatever reason we may be able to find out why.

    We could start again and this time maybe throw out the serpents who may be the same ones who are destroying us now.
    That's only if we assume the lie is not a lie within another lie
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    Mashika,

    When I say start again I don't mean start again back there. I mean start as we would if we were to go into a future
    Garden and if there were Reptilians there now throw them out if they are the same as our present time entities.

    Just to clarify about linier time, it means a continuous line in time. If you knew that already please excuse me.
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    Mashika,

    When I say start again I don't mean start again back there. I mean start as we would if we were to go into a future
    Garden and if there were Reptilians there now throw them out if they are the same as our present time entities.

    Just to clarify about linier time, it means a continuous line in time. If you knew that already please excuse me.
    But that's what i meant to say, there is no "continuous line in time", it jumps around, it can go back and forward and things change in time, depending on what happens in between jumps. Just like i said, imagine if you have a coke and you open it, then go back in time two weeks and open it again, in "your" perceived past, what happened to the coke you opened in the "future".

    The coke you opened in the future, is actually now your past, and the coke you just opened after traveling two weeks back, is "the now", is the same can of coke, "the coke of your future"?

    Because you went ahead in a direction, your mind may see this as "i went to the past" but in true reality, you moved forward another direction, so whatever place you end up, that's the future for you, in complete, full reality. You did not get a couple weeks younger, or did you? So that's not "the past", it's the future

    The perception of time, is a human thing, in the end. It comes from how you experience reality, you can go sleep and feel it lasted 20 hours, then wake up and realise it really lasted for one hour, but you experienced a dream that lasted for like what you thought was truly 20 hours.

    It did not happen, but you spent the time there, on that "reality" that was only inside your brain all that time

    Have you experienced that?
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    No I have not. All my life time was linier and I am not sure if we can go back or forward except in real time.
    Not in the normal course of our lives anyway.
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    I just try to think of it as "there is only perception." Events/perception happen sequentially, but since all this manifestation is the cosmic sea serpent, things tend to change in certain ways, as the fractal (which looks much like a slithering snake) shifts, morphs. ITs like 'time' is a smooth rolling fractal, and not choppy or incoherent. Bare with me, this is hard to put into words. Lady Salvia can show you this in a very obvious way.

    Keep in mind the garden of eden snake represents the manifested light show fractal we are seeing and being tricked and tempted by continuously. Hence, why the dragon, snake, sea serpent myths are so prevelant. So, Eve was too curious to taste the expereince of going in the apple/torus where the snake hypnotizes us with its magic.

    It concerns me that we are being duped into thinking there are reptilians ruling over us. They chose that, because deep in our subconscious we know that we are mesmorized by the cosmic serpent fractal. Its possible that it is both the cosmic serpent and a reptilian race messing with us, but they love deceiving us. OR perhaps interdimensional beings who can change form, just use a reptilian form often to push that theme for whatever reason. Scary? Represents the Primitive reptilian brain of survival and dominance? Psychological warfare.

    These possibilities don't seem to be considered by the David Icke's and whoever else is publically speaking about reptilians and such. I really wish I could have an interview with him I think he would agree that we must consider these possibilities. And I think it would be good for his reputation regarding his past talking about shapeshifting royals and stuff lol. It could be our third eye that is activating and seeing hyperdimensionally. And for some reason its reptilian. Symbolic ?

    Back to the topic of time. If you could open a portal and go back to earth 65 million years ago or go to some other planet that currently has dinosaurs, you wouldnt know the difference. Because of associations, we would usually assume both are in the distant past. But one is time travel and one is space travel. But then again, its space/time, so, they are linked and time travel doesnt really exist. Its more like, what are we loading to be viewed on our 3D computer screen. So, we could reload the program of earth with dinosaurs on it.

    But unless that movie 'file' is connected to the files of our timeline, then its not time travel and this timeline wouldn't be effected. Which is where the idea of creating a new timeline every time we time travel (reload a copy of a past space/time). So, reality is computer like and the creator is the ultimate video editor. lol One timeline can be a long movie of 100 million years or we can reload another reference point and start a new movie going forward from that point.

    But that just begs the question, who has to keep playing all the roles of the trillions of life forms each time someone wants to reload the game. lol Since all is one, is it just the creator running it all. Then it kinda of seems like a lot of NPCs. Or it is impossible to reload the game, cuz that is the price of joining an MMORPG game called Earth Life. haha

    It's all a memory though. So, time has a lot to do with the order sequence of our memories. If I start to astral travel every night, those memories change my knowledge in my waking life. So, those memories/times become inserted in the correct sequence of my life. I had a dream of the future maybe 2 years ago. It was like the end of time way into the future. IT was so bizarre and technologically advanced i could barely explain it. It was a bit like terminator but not robots and the weapons were more like altering space or something. It was pretty terrifying, but sorry i cant really remember too much.

    Anyway, that dream would be from the year 82,945,354,192 A.D. or whatever lol. But it happened in the year 2019 and became a part of my memory (barely .

    So MAshika is correct, by a certain definition, we can never go to the past. Cuz its always just the next experience. Unless our memory is wiped. Which is another interesting can of worms. 1, 2, 3....Discuss !!
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