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    "No news" from Africa I suppose is good news?

    India reports almost the same?


    How, exactly, has "lightning fast information exchange" led to, essentially, forgetting that an entire continent exists for two years??

    That's French for "you are too dark to have an opinion".

    I think they are trying to say "it is an industrialist's disease, made worse by industrialism". Or in the words of Chief Seattle, we just fast-forwarded past actually removing the trees and fish, and went straight to poisoning the last river.



    Here, on Artemisia annua:

    The plant has also been studied since the 2003 SARS outbreak for the treatment of coronaviruses, with good results.


    is an understatement. The actual result was second most effective agent out of everything known.


    Ivermectin works highly akin to Wormwood, qv. Proliferous use of Wormwood used to be normal, so, things like this generally would not have happened...but I feel like I must be carrying a dossier of industrial secrets made of seeds that weight something like 1/200th of a gram.

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    Default Re: Ivermectin - Why is it banned? - Senator Malcolm Roberts Destroys COVID Vaccine Narrative!

    • Ivermectin vs Ivermectin – Which Study Is Right???

    According to the New York Times, recent studies indicate that Ivermectin is not effective against COVID, but another large scale study out of Brazil, as highlighted by retired nurse instructor and popular YouTuber Dr. John Campbell, suggests that Ivermectin DOES work to prevent hospitalization and death from COVID. With all the misinformation and outright disinformation that’s been spread about the notorious “horse paste,” consumers can be forgiven for not knowing what to think about Ivermectin. Jimmy and American comedian Kurt Metzger review just part of the bizarre trajectory of the media’s coverage of Ivermectin since COVID arrived.
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    Default Re: Ivermectin - Why is it banned? - Senator Malcolm Roberts Destroys COVID Vaccine Narrative!

    Tennessee just made it legal without prescription:
    https://www.wnd.com/2022/04/governor...-prescription/

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    Default Re: Ivermectin - Why is it banned? - Senator Malcolm Roberts Destroys COVID Vaccine Narrative!

    more coverage of Tennessee here

    https://uncoverdc.com/2022/04/27/ten...-prescription/

    I am not sure yet how easy it might be for a non-TN resident to drive over and pick some up - lots yet to be determined

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    Quote The state’s board of pharmacy is tasked with adopting rules to establish standard procedures for the provision of Ivermectin by pharmacists, including providing patients with a screening risk assessment tool.
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    Default Re: Ivermectin - Why is it banned? - Senator Malcolm Roberts Destroys COVID Vaccine Narrative!

    I noticed that the pet versions are back on the shelves at our local farm store here in Arkansas. (It had been pulled for quite a while.)
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    Default Re: Ivermectin - Why is it banned? - Senator Malcolm Roberts Destroys COVID Vaccine Narrative!

    Is Ivermectin a Cancer Solution?
    by Dr. Joseph Mercola
    May 12, 2022
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...rid=1488153119

    "STORY AT-A-GLANCE

    Ivermectin has notable antitumor effects, which include inhibiting proliferation, metastasis and angiogenic activity in cancer cells
    Ivermectin may target cancer in multiple ways, including inducing apoptosis and autophagy while also inhibiting tumor stem cells and reversing multidrug resistance
    Along with direct cytotoxic effects, it’s believed that ivermectin regulates the tumor microenvironment, mediating immunogenic cell death
    The development of an injectable form of ivermectin, or liposomal ivermectin, could help overcome some of its limitations regarding solubility, and open its use to a broader range of cancers
    Considering that the “war against cancer” has been ongoing for decades, with little to show in terms of lives saved, repurposing existing drugs with favorable safety profiles and notable anticancer effects — like ivermectin — makes sense

    Ivermectin is a widely used antiparasitic drug that's listed on the World Health Organization's essential medicines list1 and approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. In low- and middle-income countries, ivermectin is commonly used to treat parasitic diseases including onchocerciasis (river blindness), strongyloidiasis and other diseases caused by soil-transmitted helminthiasis, or parasitic worms.2

    The drug is also used to treat scabies and lice. It's estimated that the total number of ivermectin doses distributed is equal to one-third of the world's population and, as such, "ivermectin at the usual doses (0.2–0.4 mg/kg) is considered extremely safe for use in humans."3

    Ivermectin also has demonstrated antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties and made headlines for its potential role in treating COVID-194 — although much of the positive press has been censored and falsely labeled misinformation.5 Now researchers are highlighting another potential use for ivermectin, which is equally as exciting as its potential role in COVID-19 — as an anticancer agent.

    Ivermectin's Powerful Antitumor Effects
    Ivermectin has notable antitumor effects, which include inhibiting proliferation, metastasis and angiogenic activity in cancer cells.6 It appears to inhibit tumor cells by regulating multiple signaling pathways, which researchers explained in the Pharmacological Research journal, "suggests that ivermectin may be an anticancer drug with great potential."7

    Their graphic, below, shows the multiple ways that ivermectin may target cancer, including inducing apoptosis and autophagy while also inhibiting tumor stem cells and reversing multidrug resistance. They stated that ivermectin "exerts the optimal effect when used in combination with other chemotherapy drugs."8



    Many may not be aware that scientists Satoshi ōmura and William C. Campbell won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2015 for their discovery of ivermectin.9 The medicine is used to treat not only parasitic diseases like malaria but also shows promise for treating asthma and neurological diseases, in addition to cancer.

    Along with direct cytotoxic effects, it's believed that ivermectin regulates the tumor microenvironment, mediating immunogenic cell death — another reason for its promise as an anticancer agent.10 Research suggests the drug may be useful for the following cancers:11

    Breast cancer — The proliferation of multiple breast cancer cell lines was significantly reduced following treatment with ivermectin.

    Digestive system cancer — Ivermectin significantly inhibited the proliferation of gastric cancer cells in vivo and in vitro. The drug also inhibited colorectal cancer cell lines and inhibited the development of hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer).

    Urinary system cancer — Ivermectin significantly inhibited the proliferation of five renal (kidney) cell carcinoma lines without affecting normal kidney cells. It also had an inhibitory effect on prostate cancer cells.

    Hematological cancer — In one study, ivermectin killed leukemia cells at low concentrations while leaving normal hematopoietic cells unharmed.

    Reproductive system cancer — Ivermectin inhibited the proliferation of ovarian cancer cell lines and enhanced the efficacy of the conventional chemotherapy drug cisplatin, improving the treatment of epithelial ovarian cancer.

    Brain glioma — Ivermectin inhibited the proliferation of human glioblastoma cells in a dose-dependent manner.

    Respiratory system cancer — Ivermectin inhibited the development of nasopharyngeal carcinoma in mice, using doses that were not toxic to immune cells known as thymocytes. Ivermectin also significantly inhibited the proliferation of lung cancer cells and may reduce the metastasis of lung cancer cells.

    Melanoma — When melanoma cells were treated with ivermectin, their activity was effectively inhibited.

    Ivermectin Shows Promise Against Colorectal Cancer
    A study published in Frontiers in Pharmacology specifically highlighted ivermectin's potential to fight colorectal cancer, which is the third most common cancer worldwide.12 The drug was found to inhibit colorectal cancer cell growth in a dose-dependent manner as well as promote cell apoptosis.

    Further, even at low doses of 2.5 and 5 µM, ivermectin inducted cell arrest in colorectal cancer, leading researchers to state, "[I]vermectin might be a new potential anticancer drug therapy for human colorectal cancer and other cancers."13 Considering that the "war against cancer" has been ongoing for decades, with little to show in terms of lives saved, repurposing existing drugs with favorable safety profiles and notable anticancer effects — like ivermectin — makes sense.

    The Pharmacological Research scientists similarly noted, "Drug repositioning is a shortcut to accelerate the development of anticancer drugs."14 Not only has ivermectin been shown to permeate tumor tissues effectively, but it has a long history of successful use in humans. They explained that even when doses were increased, no serious adverse effects were found:15

    "[T]he broad-spectrum antiparasitic drug IVM (ivermectin), which is widely used in the field of parasitic control, has many advantages that suggest that it is worth developing as a potential new anticancer drug. IVM selectively inhibits the proliferation of tumors at a dose that is not toxic to normal cells and can reverse the MDR [multidrug resistance] of tumors.

    Importantly, IVM is an established drug used for the treatment of parasitic diseases such as river blindness and elephantiasis. It has been widely used in humans for many years, and its various pharmacological properties, including long- and short-term toxicological effects and drug metabolism characteristics are very clear. In healthy volunteers, the dose was increased to 2 mg/Kg, and no serious adverse reactions were found …"

    Is Liposomal Delivery a Game Changer?

    The development of an injectable form of ivermectin, or liposomal ivermectin, could help overcome some of its limitations regarding solubility and open its use to a broader range of cancers. The cancer immunotherapy treatment pembrolizumab, for instance, is approved to treat PD-L1-positive, triple-negative breast cancer, which accounts for only about 20% of cases.

    As an immune checkpoint inhibitor, it works best in so-called "hot" tumors, which are already infiltrated by T cells. If ivermectin could be injected into the tumor, inducing T-cell infiltration into the area and inducing immunogenic cancer cell death, it's possible that it could turn a "cold" tumor into a "hot" one, thereby making it more effectively treated.16

    Biotech company Mountain Valley MD has developed a liposomal delivery system for ivermectin that they believe could dramatically widen its treatment potential. In an interview with Medical Update Online, Dennis Hancock, Mountain Valley MD president and CEO, explained:17

    "So the business value proposition really simply is, we take the best-selling and best-acting drugs and expand their ability to be used on … more types of cancer on a broader spectrum. So you still need the cancer drug and what our Ivectosol does is it enables it to be used in a broader universe …

    What's really exciting about the work that Mountain Valley MD is doing is we're enabling drugs that have already been proven in their efficacy and safety to do better and do more faster — so we're not asking people to 'wait five years and see'…"

    Most of the research involving ivermectin for cancer to date involves oral or in-vitro administration. Mountain Valley MD is conducting preclinical trials using liposomal ivermectin for metastatic melanoma, non-small cell lung cancer, triple-negative breast cancer and possibly bladder cancers. They also have plans to produce liposomal ivermectin for use in human trials.18 In a news release, Mike Farber, director of life sciences at Mountain Valley MD, stated:19

    "The extensive research supporting the drug ivermectin as effective in the inhibition of proliferation, metastasis, and angiogenic activity in a variety of cancers, and as an initiator of immunogenic cell death, is overwhelming. Imagine what is possible when you have the world's only human injectable form of ivermectin that can be directly injected into a tumor or provided through more bio-available forms such as intravenously.

    We believe this will be groundbreaking research with near-immediate application to be able to proceed directly to human trials based on the safety and efficacy of ivermectin."

    What About Ivermectin for SARS-CoV-2?
    In the U.S., ivermectin has been vilified as a treatment for SARS-CoV-2, despite its impressive inhibitory effects on the virus.20 Even the FDA has a dedicated webpage warning "why you should not use ivermectin to prevent COVID-19."21

    It's interesting to note, however, that Africa has a lower number of cases, severity of disease, hospitalizations and deaths than other areas of the world,22 which may be due to using prophylactic medications for endemic infections — ivermectin and others, such as sweet wormwood — that have successfully treated COVID-19.

    For instance, a study from Japan demonstrated that just 12 days after doctors were allowed to legally prescribe ivermectin to their COVID-19 patients, the cases dropped dramatically.23 The chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association24 noticed the low number of infections and deaths in Africa, where many use ivermectin prophylactically and as the core strategy to treat river blindness.25 More than 99% of people infected with river blindness live in 31 African countries.

    Aside from these observations, a study published in the March 2022 issue of the International Journal of Infectious Diseases found that treatment with ivermectin reduced mortality in COVID-19 patients — and to a greater degree than remdesivir.26

    Another recent investigation by Cornell University, posted on the University's preprint server January 20, 2022, found ivermectin outperformed 10 other drugs against COVID-19, making it the most effective against the Omicron variant.27 It even outperformed nirmatrelvir (Paxlovid), which was granted emergency use authorization against COVID-19 in December 2021.

    Remdesivir costs between $2,340 and $3,120,28 and nirmatrelvir costs $529 per treatment,29 while ivermectin's average treatment cost is $58.30 Do you think this has anything to do with ivermectin's vilification?

    Dr. Pierre Kory, who is part of the group that formed the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Working Group (FLCCC) to advance early treatments for COVID-19, pleaded with the U.S. government early on in the pandemic to review the expansive data on ivermectin to prevent COVID-19, and to keep those with early symptoms from progressing and help critically ill patients recover — to no avail.31,32

    However, if you'd like to learn more about its potential uses for SARS-CoV-2, FLCCC's I-MASK+ protocol can be downloaded in full,33 giving you step-by-step instructions on how to prevent and treat the early symptoms of COVID-19.

    FLCCC also has protocols for at-home prevention and early treatment, called I-MASS, which involves ivermectin, vitamin D3, a multivitamin and a digital thermometer to watch your body temperature in the prevention phase and ivermectin, melatonin, aspirin and antiseptic mouthwash for early at-home treatment."




    Sources and References
    1, 2 WHO March 31, 2021
    3 American Journal of Therapeutics: July/August 2021 - Volume 28 - Issue 4 - p e434-e460
    4 In Vivo. Sep-Oct 2020;34(5):3023-3026. doi: 10.21873/invivo.12134
    5 Trial Site News November 27, 2021, 3:52
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    14, 15 Pharmacol Res. 2021 Jan; 163: 105207., Summary
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    19 Mountain Valley MD May 3, 2021
    21 U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Why You Should Not Use Ivermetin to Prevent COVID-19
    22 AP News, November 19, 2021
    23 YouTube, November 23, 2021 Min 1:25
    24 Tokyo Web, August 13, 2021
    25 World Health Organization, Onchocerciasis
    26 International Journal of Infectious Diseases March 2022; 116(Supplement): S40
    27 Cornell University, January 20, 2022
    28 AJMC June 29, 2020
    29 Precision Vaccinations, November 19, 2021
    30 JAMA 2022;327(6):584-587
    31 FLCCC Alliance, Ivermectin & COVID-19
    32 Mountain Home May 1, 2021
    33 FLCCC Alliance, I-Mask+
    34 FLCCC Alliance, I-MASS
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    Miracle Drug? The Vaccine-Injured Are Seeing Profound Results With Ivermectin
    The Vigilant Fox Published May 29, 2022

    Why Is Ivermectin Helping?

    - Multiple anti-inflammatory mechanisms

    - Likely repolarizes some of the immune cells to a less inflammatory subtype

    - Tightly binds to the spike protein

    Dr. Pierre Kory: "I've seen profound responses to it. I've seen patients sick for months, and by the second or third day, they'll tell me that they haven't had a day like that in many, many months."

    Full Video: Amazing New Discoveries for Treating the Vaccine-Injured: Dr. Kory & Dr. Marik Break Down Their Findings [VIDEO INTERVIEW]
    BY VIGILANT FOX
    MAY 28, 2022



    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v13zx71

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    Doctors Sue FDA, Allege Crusade Against Ivermectin ‘Unlawfully Interfered’ With Their Ability to Treat Patients
    06/06/22
    By The Defender Staff
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...4-e2fb8a7439bd

    "In a lawsuit filed June 2, Drs. Robert L. Apter, Mary Talley Bowden and Paul E. Marik argued the FDA acted outside of its authority by directing the public, including health professionals and patients, to not use ivermectin — even though the drug is fully approved by the FDA for human use.

    Three physicians are suing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for launching what they allege is a “crusade” against ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19 that “unlawfully interfered” with the doctors’ ability to practice medicine.

    In a lawsuit filed June 2, Drs. Robert L. Apter, Mary Talley Bowden and Paul E. Marik argued the FDA acted outside of its authority by directing the public, including health professionals and patients, to not use ivermectin — even though the drug is fully approved by the FDA for human use.

    The suit, filed in the U.S. District Court, Southern District of Texas, Galveston Division, also names the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra and Robert Califf, acting FDA commissioner.

    According to the complaint:

    “The FDA generally cannot ban particular uses of human drugs once they are otherwise approved and admitted to the market, even if such use differs from the labeling — commonly referred to as ‘off-label’ use.

    “The FDA also can not advise whether a patient should take an approved drug for a particular purpose. Those decisions fall within the scope of the doctor-patient relationship.

    “Attempts by the FDA to influence or intervene in the doctor-patient relationship amount to interference with the practice of medicine, the regulation of which is — and always has been — reserved to states.”

    The plaintiffs said their lawsuit isn’t about whether ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19. It’s about who determines the appropriate treatment for each unique patient and whether the FDA can interfere with that process.

    In their complaint, they site an FDA publication, “Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19,” and tweets from the FDA — including one implying that ivermectin is intended only for animals — among examples of the FDA discouraging the use of ivermectin.

    Quote U.S. FDA
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    You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it.
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    Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
    Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.
    6:57 AM · Aug 21, 2021
    Read the full conversation on Twitter
    https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/14...in-patients%2F

    The plaintiffs also argued if the FDA is allowed to interfere with the practice of medicine now, using the pandemic as a cover, “this interference will metastasize to other circumstances, destroying the carefully constructed statutory wall between federal and state regulatory powers, and between the FDA and the professional judgment of health professionals.”

    “This lawsuit, brought by three eminently qualified physicians, is a welcome development,” said Mary Holland, Children’s Health Defense president and general counsel.

    Holland told The Defender:

    “These doctors rightfully assert that the FDA, assisted by corporate media, have unlawfully interfered in the doctor-patient relationship and the appropriate treatment for individual patients. Regulating the doctor-patient relationship is an area of well-established state, not federal, law.

    “I hope these plaintiffs will enjoin the FDA from continuing to restrict access to ivermectin and from penalizing healthcare practitioners who use this licensed drug for their patients.”

    The plaintiffs: well-respected in their field, high success rate treating COVID patients

    Apter, who is licensed to practice medicine in Arizona and Washington and has a COVID-19 patient survival rate of more than 99.98%, was referred to the Washington Medical Commission and Arizona Medical Board for disciplinary proceedings for prescribing ivermectin to treat COVID-19.

    In a press release, Apter said, “If doctors are freed to treat patients according to their best judgment and unprejudiced evaluation of the medical literature, many thousands more deaths and serious disabilities will be averted.”

    Apter said the FDA’s pronouncements against the use of ivermectin “have been the basis for disciplinary actions against doctors, interfere with the doctor-patient relationship, and have had a severe chilling effect on the use of life-saving medication for a deadly disease.”

    In the lawsuit, Apter argued that government pressure, “largely through the FDA,” also led pharmacies — especially in large corporate chains — to refuse to fill ivermectin prescriptions for COVID-19, because that position is supported by the FDA.

    Bowden, who according to the lawsuit has 40 years of experience in emergency medicine, began recommending ivermectin to treat COVID-19 in early 2020. She treated more than 3,900 patients for COVID-19, with a success rate of over 99.97%.

    She said the FDA’s actions regarding ivermectin, specifically its directives to stop using the drug to treat COVID-19, harmed Bowden’s ability to practice medicine and treat patients.

    Bowden’s employer, Houston Methodist Hospital, last year forced her to resign by suspending her privileges for spreading “COVID misinformation.”Bowden said she is “fighting back — the public needs to understand what the FDA has done is illegal, and I hope this suit will prevent them from continuing to interfere in the doctor-patient relationship.”

    In an interview earlier this year with The Defender, Bowden said she was all for the COVID vaccines when they first came out — it was only when she started seeing what was happening with all the breakthrough cases that she wondered, “Why am I seeing so many COVID cases among the fully vaccinated?”

    Then her patients began having adverse reactions. “If I hadn’t seen that firsthand, I would still think the vaccine was the way to go,” she said.

    As the pandemic evolved, Bowden developed protocols for preventing and treating COVID patients. She said she’s seen excellent results.

    “The basis of it is ivermectin,” she said. “And also vitamins C and D, quercetin and zinc, and black seed oil. It’s nothing complicated — and it’s just like with anything in medicine — not one size fits all — protocols are guidelines.”

    The controversy over prescribing ivermectin was initially “intimidating and isolating,” she said. “I thought I was a little bitty island in a huge ocean, and now I realize that I’m part of at least half a continent.”

    Marik, author of more than 750 publications, was professor of medicine and chief of pulmonary and critical care medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School (EVMS) in Norfolk, Virginia, from 2009 through 2021. He also served as a director of the intensive care unit at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital.

    He developed a protocol for EVMS for treating COVID-19, called the EVMS COVID-19 Management Protocol, which included the MATH+ Protocol.

    However, according to the lawsuit, Marik was forced to resign from his positions at EVMS and Sentara Norfolk General Hospital for promoting the use of ivermectin — “as well as other safe, cheap, and effective off-label FDA-approved drugs” — to treat COVID-19 following the FDA’s attempts to stop use of those drugs for that purpose.

    Marik alleged in the lawsuit that refusing to allow patients to receive effective early treatment for COVID-19 “led to innumerable hospitalizations and deaths, and caused extreme distress for patients, their families, and health professionals.”

    Boyden, Gray & Associates, a Washington, DC-based law firm, is representing the plaintiffs.

    Ivermectin was developed in the 1970s as a veterinary medicine to treat parasitic diseases in livestock, but a decade or so later was hailed as a “wonder drug” and received approval for human use as a therapeutic against diseases such as river blindness — or onchocerciasis — and lymphatic filariasis, according to Newsmax.

    Since 1987, it has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide. William Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their research on the drug.

    Studies show ivermectin is associated with lower COVID-19 death rates, but the FDA — with help from mainstream media — continues to state the drug is ineffective for treating COVID."
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    • FDA Admits To Gaslighting About Ivermectin:

    Remember when the FDA decided to get all “cheeky” about telling Americans not to take Ivermectin as a treatment for or prophylactic against COVID, issuing a tweet declaring that you’re not a horse or a cow? That was hilarious, right? And then the agency continued to tell us not to take Ivermectin, often using some animal-themed reference? Well that’s all over now and the FDA is trying to claim that they merely “recommended” against using Ivermectin. Where did you ever get the idea that they were issuing a directive? Jimmy and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss the FDA’s gaslighting as it desperately tries to backpedal and rewrite its history of telling people not to take Ivermectin.
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    Default Re: Ivermectin - Why is it banned? - Senator Malcolm Roberts Destroys COVID Vaccine Narrative!

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    This is the latest from Dr's Mike Yeadon, Malone, and others from a global meeting held in the Caribbean on the 21'st November, so just a few days ago.

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