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    Default The real truth behind the Taliban that are now in control of Afghanistan...

    The mainstream are in full flow with crap!

    Perhaps we can find a little truth here....

    8/15/21
    By Hal Turner
    The Taliban this morning announced it now controls ALL Territory of Afghanistan. The US Embassy in Kabul is being evacuated by military helicopters in a scene like Saigon, Vietnam in 1975. The Biden failure is full, complete, and absolute.

    In the last nine (9) days, 6 of 7 Afghan Army Corps have been lost: 203rd in Gardez, 205th in Herat, 207th in Kandahar, 209th in Mazar-i-Sharif, 215th in Helmand & 217th in Kunduz. Only one army corps remains; 201st in Kabul. 111th Division also in Kabul.

    Last night alone, the following war fighting equipment supplied by the USA, was CAPTURED:

    This morning began with a RUN ON BANKS as Afghanis tried to get money to flee the country. Here is video of that Bank Run:

    Traffic in the capital city of Kabul is . . . well . . . look, as these people try to flee:

    On July 8, illegitimate President Joe Biden told the media "You will not see helicopters evacuating people from the roof of a U.S. Embassy."

    Below, see him say it yourself. On July 8, the media explicitly asked "President" Biden if Afghanistan would be taken over by the Taliban and he said "No." Here is that press conference.

    Oh, really?

    This is what happens when an ILLEGITIMATE President is allowed to take office.

    Joe Biden's Democrat Party stole the November, 2020, Presidential election. They had help from the Governors and Secretaries of State in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and lower officials in Maricopa County, Arizona. THIS humiliating defeat in Afghanistan is what that election fraud has gotten the rest of the country!

    The USA spent almost twenty years battling in Afghanistan, and today, our failure is complete.

    The war hawks who pushed this fiasco on us, should be identified and so publicly criticized, ridiculed, hounded, and belittled, they realize that suicide is the only way out for them.

    The military brass who oversaw this loss, should be fired immediately, and should have to flee the United States in disgrace.

    The Intelligence Community, CIA and DIA in particular, have shown themselves to be little more than functional retards. Their utter incompetence allowed this to take place.

    The United States of America under an illegitimate President, feckless military leaders and a retarded intelligence community, has now been humiliated in front of the entire world.

    There is a silver lining to all this, though. When those same government people try to impose mandatory or forced COVID vaccines, a COVID vaccine passport for interstate travel, or try to conduct round-ups to put Americans in Internment camps over COVID or vaccine status, the Taliban has shown Americans exactly how to defeat these government people if push comes to shove.

    BREAKING — The Afghan president Ghani is relinquishing power and an interim government led by Taliban is formed — Al Arabiya

    Taliban is 2.6km from US embassy through main roads and less than 2 km to US embassy if bylanes are taken.

    Taliban’s leader of political office, Mullah Baradar, heads to Afghanistan. He is expected to help to establish a transitional government — Al Arabiya. (Baradar was in Qatar)

    BREAKING: FOREIGNERS IN KABUL SHOULD LEAVE IF THEY WISH OR IN COMING DAYS REGISTER THEIR PRESENCE WITH TALIBAN ADMINISTRATORS, WHO WILL BE ESTABLISHED - TALIBAN OFFICIAL

    Russia: The alarming situation in Afghanistan is the result of the failure of another experiment by Washington

    China: Beijing WILL give full recognition to Taliban as legitimate government of Afghanistan.

    Taliban Leadership enters Afghanistan Presidential Palace:

    No way to sugar coat this fiasco, Trillions wasted. Thousands of U.S. Troops injured and killed.

    The people who allowed this to happen should kill themselves.

    UPDATE 11:21 AM EDT --

    US AMBASSADOR HAS LEFT THE EMBASSY IN KABUL. He and the flag are at the airport.

    US repeats Saigon debacle with the same humiliation & more.

    The only difference: 2 TRILLION DOLLARS & countless precious lives it extinguished on both sides before they fled with their tails between their legs.

    Why? What was the logic of all this chaos?

    Heroin.

    The illicit trade in Heroin.

    Prior to the Taliban taking over back around the year 2000, Afghanistan was the world's number one supplier of opium for the Heroin trade. When the Taliban took over, with their devout Islamic beliefs, they drove the drug business almost completely out of the whole country. Afghanistan opium output DROPPED 95-99%.

    That was when the USA went in, under the guise of grabbing Osama Bin Laden.

    Within 18 months of the U.S. Invasion, Afghanistan Heroin output grew in leaps and bounds, right back to the world's Number ONE supplier.

    There are numerous photos of U.S. Troops actually GUARDING the fields of Poppy plants to protect the opium growing in them.

    So I'll give you three guesses what made the USA remain in Afghanistan for YEARS after Osama Bin Laden was allegedly killed.

    Yep. Heroin.

    People in the West made hundreds of millions of dollars in the illicit drug trade. Pockets were lined at all levels of government. THAT's what this was about. Drug money.

    The US Government apparently wasn't happy being the worlds number one supplier of weapons, they also wanted to be the number one supplier of Heroin.

    Lot of money in that powder.

    THAT is what our American government did. THAT is what we as a nation, have descended to.

    Want to laugh at who muscled them out? China!

    That's who was supplying the Taliban with weapons and secure communications. Our "trading partner, China."

    China enabled the Taliban to do what they've done in about nine days . . . take over the whole country.

    So now China controls the heroin - again.

    Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
    Funny how that works.

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    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...saigon-in-1975

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    Default Re: The real truth behind the Taliban that are now in control of Afghanistan...

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    So now China controls the heroin - again.

    Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
    Funny how that works.

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    China's payback for the Opium Wars

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    Default Re: The real truth behind the Taliban that are now in control of Afghanistan...

    Any evidence that China muscled US out?

    No news to me that the US was there for the drug money.

    For the next 20 years(maybe 50), no country on earth could muscle US out. Because of their superiority in military and weapon.

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    So now China controls the heroin - again.

    Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
    Funny how that works.

    Viking
    China's payback for the Opium Wars
    The Opium Wars was between Britain and China.
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    Default Re: The real truth behind the Taliban that are now in control of Afghanistan...

    Taliban of today is not the Taliban of yesterday ( what about tomorrow..).

    Unfortunately yes, the media is payed to confuse you.

    This is their way ( Islamic society has a long history of shahs and governors ) of transiting to democratic society. This is their moment to show if they can do that, without war, violence and abuse of power or not.

    The puppet government fell and president escaped and files were burnt in embassies, on what I dare to ask, on how to protect the Afghani people from themselves ?

    They were occupied by Soviet military for decades, then the US military and allied troops, they were run by someone’s else’s hand like many other countries taken by imperial games and wars in past, resulting in decades of absurd and xenophobic military dictatorships, look today’s Myanmar.

    Sure I don’t know much about Afghanistan other than it’s being dangerous territory and I once met some students from there while traveling who just admitted they have to live with war at all times.

    But the way they see Taliban is not much bigger than your opinion on the commons party. It hails from poor mountain villages and is supported by so called majority.
    Any externally supported government will have the powerless status of “house of lords” or your congress party, at the best.

    In reality, most of them grew up together in military ghetto called Afghanistan.


    They know the world is watching, and in my best opinion, everyone who hoped to “intervene” should step back for a bit and leave the country for once to its people.


    Most certainly also, the US of today is not the US of yesterday and it better be better place tomorrow, so true for all of us, alike.



    I don’t see any other way than Peace would be the Solution.



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    So this means that the War all this time, China is involved. With the pandemic still going on, I doubt there will be any other conflicts or chaos wont occur.
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    We're angry too in the UK. During the past 20 years in Afghanistan 457 of our soldiers were killed, also about 2000 were wounded, and it has cost the British taxpayers about £37 billion.

    All for nothing.

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    Quote Posted by dianatorn (here)
    So this means that the War all this time, China is involved. With the pandemic still going on, I doubt there will be any other conflicts or chaos wont occur.
    you mean the opium trade? where there is opium there is a china man!
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    It was always for nothing, as it always is. The problem is how we/they value. This society has no value while it values the worthless.

    And yet we/they cling to it in terror of what could be. The 'could' scares the hell out of the citizenry. Better to stay with an evil they know than face the unknown and its pristine possibilities.

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    While Biden is vacationing at Camp David , his spokesman came out this morning on national TV and said Biden is on top of this situation with" LAZER FOCUS! " . He must be using the same optics for our southern border which had 211,000 illegals come over just in july. Then there's the narrative they were caught off guard ? Really , does that mean the CIA intelligences are all on vacation too? Hell 40 years ago we had the capabilities to read the letter camel on a cigarette from the sky at thousands of feet and your telling me nobody knew the Taliban was advancing? From the joint chiefs to the pentagon to the CIA to the white house, IS ANYBODY IN CHARGE ANYMORE?

    Reports are some 10-30,000 people are going to need to be airlifted out, many afghans who helped us , private contractors, gov. employees ect ect. All the schools that were built , all the women's rights eradicated , all the sacrifice from our uS troops and their familes and now all those who will be left behind???

    Consider this , the Taliban has been gone from this country for 20 years, some 58% of the population is under the age of 25 in this country and have had no experience with the taliban except through stories of what was , think about this for a minute and now the beheadings start, rape, eyes gouged out and on and on, really WTF!

    Afghans, Desperate to Flee, Hold Onto C-17 Landing Gear; FALL FROM PLANE IN SKY
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    Afghanistan President Fled Kabul With Helicopter Full Of Cash And Loot Claims Russian Embassy
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    “Four cars were stuffed with money. [They] tried to fit all the money on the helicopter, but not all of it fit. Some of the money was left lying on the tarmac,” he explained, without elaborating how he obtained the information.

    We are watching the United States government and leadership becoming a three ring circus that I wouldn't even buy a ticket too, Dysfunctional is a word with too much credit for the bunch we have in charge now and on vacation including the congress and senate until September 15th. This is so disturbing on so many levels its unconscionable!

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    Quote Investigators have found that the photos of Biden at Camp David are fake and not from today.
    https://twitter.com/SCUBA2024/status...529168388?s=20




    https://twitter.com/SCUBA2024/status...379279874?s=20




    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...pter-full-cash

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    Ousted Afghan President Fled Country With Cars, Helicopter "Stuffed Full Of Cash"
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    BY TYLER DURDEN
    MONDAY, AUG 16, 2021 - 10:50 AM
    It was widely reported Sunday that as the Taliban was at the gates of Kabul, President Ashraf Ghani was quick to flee the country towards neighboring Tajikistan. This no doubt signaled national troops on the ground that there was little point in putting up much resistance, given their commander-in-chief had high-tailed it out at the first sign of enemies closing in, while not even so much as addressing the Afghan people.

    According to a Russian embassy statement on Monday, the circumstances of Ghani's departure are even worse, with the embassy in Kabul saying Ghani "had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in," according to RIA news agency quotes cited in Reuters.





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    Interesting about the Chinese. It's all just a massive game of influence and favors. Thanks to poor alzheimer’s sufferer Biden’s latest gaf of complete and total abandonment, the fall of Saigon is looking like a well planned exit. If we lose the airport in Kabul it will be even more of a mess, if that’s even possible at this point. I suppose it can always be worse. It could be raining. At least they have the weather as they scramble into the choppers. My heart goes out to the PMC’s who will be left till last.

    Well not last last. We will leave behind thousands of translators who spoke to the Taliban on our behalf, often in adverse situations having to translate very dangerous language. Not to forget the three hundred thousand strong army we equipped and trained. Plus the tens of thousands who helped in every other way. But without our money supporting and underpinning that army it was always a hollow shell, as the relentless march by city by city to the capital with little to no resistance has proved. So instead of chasing through goat herds and dust with 50’s mounted on Toyotas, twenty years later we leave them with Humvees, Blackhawks and Jet fighters!

    We should have quit 18 years ago when we smashed up their training camps and chased AQ over the mountains into Pakistan, we won, that was our time to leave with honor. So they treat their women and people badly, it’s not our place to die for that sort of woke ****. The thing that tipped the scales in the eighties for the the Russian withdraw wasn’t the stingers we gave the mujahideen, it was the puppet government trying to make the schools system more inclusive for girls.

    They don’t share our values, end of. They probably never will, no matter how many dollars or bullets we offer them. The Taliban are a proud people and were glad to see the back of AQ, we should have left them to their medieval backward lives then. How other people choose to live should not be a call to arms for the west. Counter insurgency is a tactic, not a strategy. Clearly there was never any more of a plan than to make as much money out of it as possible for as long as we possibly could. There is literally a trillion reasons this was a great success to a few thousand and a massive loss for everyone else involved. War is a racket.......x...... N
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    later link
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    Glenn Greeenwald's take (via email)

    Quote The U.S. Government Lied For Two Decades About Afghanistan
    Using the same deceitful tactics they pioneered in Vietnam, U.S. political and military officials repeatedly misled the country about the prospects for success in Afghanistan.



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    The Taliban give an exclusive interview to Al Jazeera after taking control of the presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan, Aug. 15, 2021 (Al Jazeera/YouTube)
    “The Taliban regime is coming to an end,” announced President George W. Bush at the National Museum of Women in the Arts on December 12, 2001 — almost twenty years ago today. Five months later, Bush vowed: “In the United States of America, the terrorists have chosen a foe unlike they have faced before. . . . We will stay until the mission is done.” Four years after that, in August of 2006, Bush announced: “Al Qaeda and the Taliban lost a coveted base in Afghanistan and they know they will never reclaim it when democracy succeeds. . . . The days of the Taliban are over. The future of Afghanistan belongs to the people of Afghanistan.”

    For two decades, the message Americans heard from their political and military leaders about the country’s longest war was the same. America is winning. The Taliban is on the verge of permanent obliteration. The U.S. is fortifying the Afghan security forces, which are close to being able to stand on their own and defend the government and the country.

    Just five weeks ago, on July 8, President Biden stood in the East Room of the White House and insisted that a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was not inevitable because, while their willingness to do so might be in doubt, “the Afghan government and leadership . . . clearly have the capacity to sustain the government in place.” Biden then vehemently denied the accuracy of a reporter’s assertion that “your own intelligence community has assessed that the Afghan government will likely collapse.” Biden snapped: “That is not true. They did not — they didn’t — did not reach that conclusion.”

    Biden continued his assurances by insisting that “the likelihood there’s going to be one unified government in Afghanistan controlling the whole country is highly unlikely.” He went further: “the likelihood that there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.” And then, in an exchange that will likely assume historic importance in terms of its sheer falsity from a presidential podium, Biden issued this decree:
    Q. Mr. President, some Vietnamese veterans see echoes of their experience in this withdrawal in Afghanistan. Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam, with some people feeling —

    THE PRESIDENT: None whatsoever. Zero. What you had is — you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy — six, if I’m not mistaken.

    The Taliban is not the south — the North Vietnamese army. They’re not — they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of an embassy in the — of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.
    When asked about the Taliban being stronger than ever after twenty years of U.S. warfare there, Biden claimed: “Relative to the training and capacity of the [Afghan National Security Forces} and the training of the federal police, they’re not even close in terms of their capacity.” On July 21 — just three weeks ago — Gen. Mark Milley, Biden’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, conceded that “there’s a possibility of a complete Taliban takeover, or the possibility of any number of other scenario,” yet insisted: “the Afghan Security Forces have the capacity to sufficiently fight and defend their country.”

    Similar assurances have been given by the U.S. Government and military leadership to the American people since the start of the war. “Are we losing this war?,” Army Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Schloesser, commander of the 101st Airborne Division, asked rhetorically in a news briefing from Afghanistan in 2008, answering it this way: “Absolutely no way. Can the enemy win it? Absolutely no way.” On September 4, 2013, then-Lt. Gen. Milley — now Biden’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — complained that the media was not giving enough credit to the progress they had made in building up the Afghan national security forces: “This army and this police force have been very, very effective in combat against the insurgents every single day,” Gen. Milley insisted.

    None of this was true. It was always a lie, designed first to justify the U.S’s endless occupation of that country and, then, once the U.S. was poised to withdraw, to concoct a pleasing fairy tale about why the prior twenty years were not, at best, an utter waste. That these claims were false cannot be reasonably disputed as the world watches the Taliban take over all of Afghanistan as if the vaunted “Afghan national security forces” were china dolls using paper weapons. But how do we know that these statements made over the course of two decades were actual lies rather than just wildly wrong claims delivered with sincerity?
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    To begin with, we have seen these tactics from U.S. officials — lying to the American public about wars to justify both their initiation and continuation — over and over. The Vietnam War, like the Iraq War, was begun with a complete fabrication disseminated by the intelligence community and endorsed by corporate media outlets: that the North Vietnamese had launched an unprovoked attack on U.S. ships in the Gulf of Tonkin. In 2011, President Obama, who ultimately ignored a Congressional vote against authorization of his involvement in the war in Libya to topple Muammar Qaddafi, justified the NATO war by denying that regime change was the goal: “our military mission is narrowly focused on saving lives . . . broadening our military mission to include regime change would be a mistake.” Even as Obama issued those false assurances, The New York Times reported that “the American military has been carrying out an expansive and increasingly potent air campaign to compel the Libyan Army to turn against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.”
    Just as they did for the war in Afghanistan, U.S. political and military leaders lied for years to the American public about the prospects for winning. On June 13, 1971, The New York Times published reports about thousands of pages of top secret documents from military planners that came to be known as “The Pentagon Papers.” Provided by former RAND official Daniel Ellsberg, who said he could not in good conscience allow official lies about the Vietnam War to continue, the documents revealed that U.S. officials in secret were far more pessimistic about the prospects for defeating the North Vietnamese than their boastful public statements suggested. In 2021, The New York Times recalled some of the lies that were demonstrated by that archive on the 50th Anniversary of its publication:
    Brandishing a captured Chinese machine gun, Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara appeared at a televised news conference in the spring of 1965. The United States had just sent its first combat troops to South Vietnam, and the new push, he boasted, was further wearing down the beleaguered Vietcong.
    “In the past four and one-half years, the Vietcong, the Communists, have lost 89,000 men,” he said. “You can see the heavy drain.”

    That was a lie. From confidential reports, McNamara knew the situation was “bad and deteriorating” in the South. “The VC have the initiative,” the information said. “Defeatism is gaining among the rural population, somewhat in the cities, and even among the soldiers.”
    Lies like McNamara’s were the rule, not the exception, throughout America’s involvement in Vietnam. The lies were repeated to the public, to Congress, in closed-door hearings, in speeches and to the press.

    The lies were repeated to the public, to Congress, in closed-door hearings, in speeches and to the press. The real story might have remained unknown if, in 1967, McNamara had not commissioned a secret history based on classified documents — which came to be known as the Pentagon Papers. By then, he knew that even with nearly 500,000 U.S. troops in theater, the war was at a stalemate.

    The pattern of lying was virtually identical throughout several administrations when it came to Afghanistan. In 2019, The Washington Post — obviously with a nod to the Pentagon Papers — published a report about secret documents it dubbed “The Afghanistan Papers: A secret history of the war.” Under the headline “AT WAR WITH THE TRUTH,” The Post summarized its findings: “U.S. officials constantly said they were making progress. They were not, and they knew it, an exclusive Post investigation found.” They explained:
    Year after year, U.S. generals have said in public they are making steady progress on the central plank of their strategy: to train a robust Afghan army and national police force that can defend the country without foreign help.
    In the Lessons Learned interviews, however, U.S. military trainers described the Afghan security forces as incompetent, unmotivated and rife with deserters. They also accused Afghan commanders of pocketing salaries — paid by U.S. taxpayers — for tens of thousands of “ghost soldiers.”
    None expressed confidence that the Afghan army and police could ever fend off, much less defeat, the Taliban on their own. More than 60,000 members of Afghan security forces have been killed, a casualty rate that U.S. commanders have called unsustainable.
    As the Post explained, “the documents contradict a long chorus of public statements from U.S. presidents, military commanders and diplomats who assured Americans year after year that they were making progress in Afghanistan and the war was worth fighting.” Those documents dispel any doubt about whether these falsehoods were intentional:
    Several of those interviewed described explicit and sustained efforts by the U.S. government to deliberately mislead the public. They said it was common at military headquarters in Kabul — and at the White House — to distort statistics to make it appear the United States was winning the war when that was not the case.
    “Every data point was altered to present the best picture possible,” Bob Crowley, an Army colonel who served as a senior counterinsurgency adviser to U.S. military commanders in 2013 and 2014, told government interviewers. “Surveys, for instance, were totally unreliable but reinforced that everything we were doing was right and we became a self-licking ice cream cone.”

    John Sopko, the head of the federal agency that conducted the interviews, acknowledged to The Post that the documents show “the American people have constantly been lied to.”


    Last month, the independent journalist Michael Tracey, writing at Substack, interviewed a U.S. veteran of the war in Afghanistan. The former soldier, whose job was to work in training programs for the Afghan police and also participated in training briefings for the Afghan military, described in detail why the program to train Afghan security forces was such an obvious failure and even a farce. “I don’t think I could overstate that this was a system just basically designed for funneling money and wasting or losing equipment,” he said. In sum, “as far as the US military presence there — I just viewed it as a big money funneling operation”: an endless money pit for U.S. security contractors and Afghan warlords, all of whom knew that no real progress was being made, just sucking up as much U.S. taxpayer money as they could before the inevitable withdraw and takeover by the Taliban.
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    In light of all this, it is simply inconceivable that Biden’s false statements last month about the readiness of the Afghan military and police force were anything but intentional. That is particularly true given how heavily the U.S. had Afghanistan under every conceivable kind of electronic surveillance for more than a decade. A significant portion of the archive provided to me by Edward Snowden detailed the extensive surveillance the NSA had imposed on all of Afghanistan. In accordance with the guidelines he required, we never published most of those documents about U.S. surveillance in Afghanistan on the ground that it could endanger people without adding to the public interest, but some of the reporting gave a glimpse into just how comprehensively monitored the country was by U.S. security services.

    In 2014, I reported along with Laura Poitras and another journalist that the NSA had developed the capacity, under the codenamed SOMALGET, that empowered them to be “secretly intercepting, recording, and archiving the audio of virtually every cell phone conversation” in at least five countries. At any time, they could listen to the stored conversations of any calls conducted by cell phone throughout the entire country. Though we published the names of four countries in which the program had been implemented, we withheld, after extensive internal debate at The Intercept, the identity of the fifth — Afghanistan — because the NSA had convinced some editors that publishing it would enable the Taliban to know where the program was located and it could endanger the lives of the military and private-sector employees working on it (in general, at Snowden’s request, we withheld publication of documents about NSA activities in active war zones unless they revealed illegality or other deceit). But WikiLeaks subsequently revealed, accurately, that the one country whose identity we withheld where this program was implemented was Afghanistan.
    There was virtually nothing that could happen in Afghanistan without the U.S. intelligence community’s knowledge. There is simply no way that they got everything so completely wrong while innocently and sincerely trying to tell Americans the truth about what was happening there.

    In sum, U.S. political and military leaders have been lying to the American public for two decades about the prospects for success in Afghanistan generally, and the strength and capacity of the Afghan security forces in particular — up through five weeks ago when Biden angrily dismissed the notion that U.S. withdrawal would result in a quick and complete Taliban takeover. Numerous documents, largely ignored by the public, proved that U.S. officials knew what they were saying was false — just as happened so many times in prior wars — and even deliberately doctored information to enable their lies.

    Any residual doubt about the falsity of those two decades of optimistic claims has been obliterated by the easy and lightning-fast blitzkrieg whereby the Taliban took back control of Afghanistan as if the vaunted Afghan military did not even exist, as if it were August, 2001 all over again. It is vital not just to take note of how easily and frequently U.S. leaders lie to the public about its wars once those lies are revealed at the end of those wars, but also to remember this vital lesson the next time U.S. leaders propose a new war using the same tactics of manipulation, lies, and deceit.
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    no real MSM press pushback for this event, as per usual

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    Any evidence that China muscled US out?

    No news to me that the US was there for the drug money.

    For the next 20 years(maybe 50), no country on earth could muscle US out. Because of their superiority in military and weapon.

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    So now China controls the heroin - again.

    Look for a surge in "China White" hitting U.S. Streets in the short term future.
    Funny how that works.

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    Britain is no longer the super power - the US is, which China is determined to unseat

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    Biden is walking around but nobody is behind the wheel, Harris is a lost cause and Psaki? Don't get me started but this whole thing could have been avoided had Biden or someone in his admin. kept the agreement Trump made to exit no latert than May 1st of this year but as usual the left cheated and ignored it and they even got a three month extension grace period and still drag their feet! This is all on Biden! He ignored a agreement made between the USA and the Taliban and now the admin and him both pay for it. Normally I love when the left is eating their own but this is ridiculous and dangerous now for everyone in the world.
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    Not seen one mask in all the news coverage of this event. Isn’t COVID a problem in Afghanistan then? They weren’t begging the West for vaccines then? Not a useful narrative at this point I guess.

    I agree with Agape, although the medieval practice that causes some Muslims to to allow grubby turbaned men to cut out the clitorises of women with a razor blade, without anaesthetic, shouldn’t exist in the modern world and I despair for the women that must live among these beasts with their twisted perceptions and inordinate fear of the feminine, (God forbid that woman has a moment’s pleasure) they should be locked away from civilised people IMO. One can only hope the Sunni’s have evolved somewhat from total barbarism. Evacuate all the women and let them get on with it, I say. See how the tough, know it all guys manage then.

    I read the Afghan army greatly outnumbered the Taliban troops, 180k to 85k, but surrendered instantly because they hadn’t been paid, as corrupt officials squirrelled the funds in Swiss bank accounts. What a squalid mess it all is.

    It’s time women ruled the world and the men should stop telling everyone to listen to their absurd philosophies, women know. It’s simple, love and be loved. Too simple for the self important, arrogant, greedy, power hungry oafs.

    Sorry, bit of a rant. I’m angry too. So much needless suffering.

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    Don't get me started but this whole thing could have been avoided had Biden or someone in his admin. kept the agreement Trump made to exit no latert than May 1st of this year but as usual the left cheated and ignored it and they even got a three month extension grace period and still drag their feet! This is all on Biden! He ignored a agreement made between the USA and the Taliban and now the admin and him both pay for it. Normally I love when the left is eating their own but this is ridiculous and dangerous now for everyone in the world.
    I see, so this is all about the left again, okay fair enough. Just that is there anyone who can clearly define, or even better, demonstrate, why the Trump/the right's plan followed to a T would have had such a significantly different outcome? Even though the Taliban has been steadily gaining ground for years anyway, they would have somehow been held at bay in a power vacuum?

    And if the plan and timing was so bullet proof, why didn't Trump just prioritize it and show the whole world how seamlessly in could be done under his own watch?

    My own answer is that there is no plausible plan able to facilitate what is now being demanded of it.

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    Don't get me started but this whole thing could have been avoided had Biden or someone in his admin. kept the agreement Trump made to exit no latert than May 1st of this year but as usual the left cheated and ignored it and they even got a three month extension grace period and still drag their feet! This is all on Biden! He ignored a agreement made between the USA and the Taliban and now the admin and him both pay for it. Normally I love when the left is eating their own but this is ridiculous and dangerous now for everyone in the world.
    I see, so this is all about the left again, okay fair enough. Just that is there anyone who can clearly define, or even better, demonstrate, why the Trump/the right's plan followed to a T would have had such a significantly different outcome? Even though the Taliban has been steadily gaining ground for years anyway, they would have somehow been held at bay in a power vacuum?

    And if the plan and timing was so bullet proof, why didn't Trump just prioritize it and show the whole world how seamlessly in could be done under his own watch?

    My own answer is that there is no plausible plan able to facilitate what is now being demanded of it.
    It's obvious by the history just look back. They could all have left peacefully for the last three months and before. You make choices and you live with them or you don't make choices such as Biden but either way you live with them. Now the left has this in their lap yes mam! All the way. How can Trump be blamed for this in any legit way? As I recall Trump's time ran out when his win was stolen from him. Again, look back to recent history. Selective memory loss perhaps?
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    After Biden's speech he went back to camp David for a foot massage and pedicure. Everything is on auto pilot now, what a disaster this is. I got in a heated discussion with a Vietnam vet today about this exit, my final comments to him were this isn't 1970, this is 2020.

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    It’s all about extreme poverty and absence of true humanitarian values, from the start and if you ask me. If you have never been to any country where extreme poverty is prevalent you may not know what I’m talking about.

    For sure, extreme poverty “could be eradicated” today but it’s been around for thousands of years all around the globe. People who own almost nothing and thus, can be owned.
    Through many historical epochs and wars, someone always keeps buying these people as a commodity. Working force, that’s in better case of course, more frequently as ideological, political and military force. Look at the same situation in North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia and many African and South American countries and stop painting yourself a picture of comfy ideological lies.

    As people with decades in education about human history on this planet, I mean most of us anyway, you may be attracted to an idea of distant and advanced cultures of the past but do not miss the darkness of several past centuries and millennia.
    The bearings of which can be found everywhere around us if you care to move your a$$ around and see for yourself, without the shiny flashes offered by today’s “tourism agencies”.

    Perhaps I’ve seen too much, out of those comfy zones, to call this civilisation a happy place to be in. Every country have their own range of problems but the pattern sort of repeats.

    After 150 years of British occupation of India, extreme poverty and famines lasting for years were prevalent and still in existence through the end of last century and due to the numbers of people thus affected it can’t be said to be eradicated, but it’s being solved by steps, here in India I mean, concerning lives of 1.5 billion people.

    Anyone who has been to Asia or Africa in the past before the very recent, most modern facilities were built around tourist industry in order to bring people in and out safely for their holiday dollar knows it.

    But if you’ve never been to what’s called “third world country” you just don’t know. You can scuff at me and the rest of humanity I’m naively trying to defend from the “ma’am with the face mask”.

    Whenever there is famine and human disaster ongoing , such as in Afghanistan following decades of war and military invasions, the world shrugs away.
    For years lasting famine and disaster in Yemen, no one cares unless they militarize.

    To North Korea we issue embargo’s and more threats when they suffer from famines, not “this year”, just about last hundreds of years , with everyone “in power” yearning to supervise the process and “own the territory” and its people.


    As a “great democrat” brought up in middle class family who got the principal education just right, always ate on time but fainted once in the office for skipping breakfast for few days out of your wives sight, your vision in rainbow colors is not more than posh movie series, you disembark in front of these “savages” you see who did not make it by default and ask them with cheek you consider the correct business manner “and what can you do for us” in return for our help ?
    Can you manufacture something we could sell and take advantage of because you know, we don’t really need you but we want to you “working”, hard working for us , the smarties who got it all just right.

    You know all the post traumatic stress syndrome we have suffered and the soldiers have suffered but who cares about millions of people suffering from extreme stress everyday , it’s exhausting , it’s difficult to maintain “health” or strength under such circumstances and the only thing you wish every morning is that you were not humanly present and alive because it only means more pain.



    And then, remove body mutilations and gender abuse but introduce a kidney trade and remove hijabs and introduce face masks and remove the extreme sharia law but bring in prostitution and rape of children by UN troops and so forth and tell me( not)
    how more “civilized” are we than “those people”,

    how less ideologically enslaved or smarter at all

    when we sell them weapons to kill for millions of dollars that would be worth tons of food, medicines and decent life options.
    Instead we pay for the bombarder plane to sort it out ?

    Get it right for once, till we do wrong it’s the wrong ( response) we inevitably receive back. You wanted to trick someone “to your beliefs” and manipulate people to the left or to the right is bad karma. A work of ego nothing else.

    Giving people resources, help when they really need it and education can’t ever “go wrong”.

    It’s mostly about that, and no private person , individual or even the Rockefeller’s foundation can sort it out or be held responsible for what the humanity has done to themselves in the past and some shamelessly continuing to press in the same pattern. Like the emergency button they told you to use, the same recording to play only to save yourself for you are the best.

    Sorry for the rant also.


    It’s just about “all of us”.


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