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    Just a footnote here. Do be a little careful, as ivermectin (a very safe drug, for sure) will damage one's natural healthy bowel flora, as it's an antiparasitic. It'll have the same effect on the flora as taking antibiotics regularly.
    I've been casually following the reports regarding Ivermectin for well over a year now, and I am rather interested in what will, or will not, promote healthy bowel flora, or as I usually term it, healthy gut microbiome.

    I have never seen such a warning before. I have seen quite a few mentions of successful and wide spread prophylactic use of Ivermectin, for various purposes. The mechanisms by which Ivermectin works are numerous, and not entirely well understood, but from what I've seen so far, these mechanisms are not broad spectrum anti-bacterial.

    Could you provide some sources or references for your warning? I've only read a tiny fraction of the available reports and results concerning Ivermectin, so I could easily have missed this important detail.

    Thanks!
    Good question, and I can't cite any research papers. (And, do please note, I may be wrong. )

    But in Ecuador, I take Albendazole twice a year, as most of the expats here do routinely. That's just part of living in a developing country on the equator. Albendazole, a little like Ivermectin, is a general antiparasitic.

    My naturopath, a very competent, aware and knowledgeable man, a Canadian expat also now in Ecuador, suggested it was okay to take it just a couple times a year (despite it being a pharmaceutical)‚ but recommended that after each dose I should boost my gut flora with probiotics. (He also recommended the same thing after taking oregano oil as an anti-viral.)

    That seemed to be supported by Clif High's opinion as stated in his last month's video titled Measuring Woo, which was partly a response to Steve Quayle's claim that he'd survived "an assassination attempt". Steve's description of his experience was posted here by Mike Adams a month ago.

    Clif was skeptical of Steve's claim, and I was, too. Steve had explained how much care he'd been taking because he'd been dosing himself with both Ivermectin and HCQ very regularly for a while as a prophylactic. So he'd attributed his sudden collapse of health to being "an attack".

    In his video Measuring Woo, Clif also stated that taking Ivermectin continuously (which was never its design function) would damage the bowel flora, and maybe other things too, and that's what Steve Quayle hadn't understood. He was simply taking too much of it too often for too long (said Clif), and had thrown his body metabolism way out of whack.

    The two opinions above (from my naturopath and from Clif High) made sense to me, and so they combined to form own provisional view — which is totally subject to change. I'd be delighted to be wrong, and I'd welcome more information myself if anyone has any.

    This isn't the research paper you might have been hoping for! But it may be a start of an interesting conversation about this. For the moment, my view about taking something like Ivermectin all the time is very similar to taking antibiotics all the time if one's worried about infection.

    My own acting principle is that here's just no need to — just recognize an infection, a parasite, or covid if it ever occurs, and then take action exactly to the degree that it's needed.
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    I love having an Ivermectin supply and have used it with no side effects.
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    IVM is fantastic and I take it twice a week now
    Just a footnote here. Do be a little careful, as ivermectin (a very safe drug, for sure) will damage one's natural healthy bowel flora, as it's an antiparasitic. It'll have the same effect on the flora as taking antibiotics regularly.

    I will say that Ivermectin in the WRONG dosage is a neurological risk... I over dosed kittens (hilariously due to current events... years ago using "horse paste" and trying to dose down... messed up the math) and it was pretty ****ing scary for a bit there, didn't lose any IIRC.

    as always, be careful with anything highly concentrated.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The two opinions above (from my naturopath and from Clif High) made sense to me, and so they combined to form own provisional view — which is totally subject to change. I'd be delighted to be wrong, and I'd welcome more information myself if anyone has any.
    Well, here's more information already! It was emailed to me just now by a generous Avalon guest who chose to stay anonymous.

    In this video — https://youtu.be/bXiDpMBvsO8?t=1780, which contains a timestamp — the same question is asked of Dr Paul Marik, published just yesterday. Start in at 29:40. Dr Marik says that Ivermectin does NOT damage the bowel flora.


    The same kind person also wrote:
    In this Dr Mercola interview, Dr Carvallo said that they use IVM for 4 months, take a 2 months break and repeat:
    https://soundcloud.com/drmercola/exp...ith-ivermectin

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The two opinions above (from my naturopath and from Clif High) made sense to me, and so they combined to form own provisional view — which is totally subject to change.
    Given the disrespect with which I hold much peer reviewed research work these days, those two opinions carry more weight with me too. Thanks!
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    What would surprise me the second least would be that some bacteria like ivermectin and some don't, so continued prophylactic use of ivermectin would alter the gut bacteria balance, in ways that are a mixed bag.

    This is not how I understand broad spectrum antibiotics work, which is to suppress most bacteria, except for the notorious antibiotic resistant super bugs.

    What would surprise me the least is that I don't know wtf I'm talking about.
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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    What would surprise me the second least would be that some bacteria like ivermectin and some don't, so continued prophylactic use of ivermectin would alter the gut bacteria balance, in ways that are a mixed bag.

    This is my understanding... but again.. ivermectin was never meant to be a chronic use, it's mostly used acutely.
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    Bill & others, Thanks for the reply about Quercitin. I like the idea you mentioned of every other day although the doctor in the video mentions daily. I'm not sure if daily or every other matters, maybe thats just a preference? I'm sure there are residuals left in our body to cover 2 days and still be effective. Here is a more important point to consider. The doctor and others mention Quercitin can be an effective prophylaxis for Covid 19. So maybe Quercitin would work better for a prophylaxis than Ivermectin over time? And because it has many benefits Quercitin should be daily plus the added protection from Covid? Either way, because it's harder to get, save the Ivermectin supply for the early onset providing even more protection at the time when you need it having both Ivermectin & Quercitin flowing in the blood...

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    Quercetin has a lot of benefits evidently, more than just the role it plays wrt to Covid.

    In any case, I think often about how possible it would be to see the supply chain breakdown on all sorts of supplements, or the govt getting in the way of the use of supplements, etc. I know it is popular to think about gold, silver, and cryptos being stores of value, but would D3 be worth, or supplements like that, if you just couldn't buy it anywhere...

    IVM is the same. It is dirt cheap to buy from India, yet my understanding is that the pharmacies in the US which will sell it to you might ask $150 for a five day regimen... something to contemplate I would think.....

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    Dr. Stella Immanuel Defies Globalists, Offers Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to Masses 12:33

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    Rumble — The holidays are here. Happy Thanksgiving to all of our listeners. We hope all of you who are traveling do so safely. And thank God that you actually can travel. No doubt, the dictators trying to destroy this country would stop you if they could. But they can’t, and that makes them seethe on the inside.

    Still, COVID is still out there. Dr. Stella Immanuel wanted to come on to discuss what you can do to for prophylaxis and early treatment against the virus over the holidays, especially with extremist pharmacists out there refusing to fill ivermectin prescriptions.

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    I ingested horse paste ivermectin at a dosage for my body weight for 45 days in a row as my home treatment for scabies. I had no adverse reaction. I also had no reduction of scabies. Grrr.

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    Hi all, I was wondering if anyone can help us. My wife is 74 years old and weighs 125 lbs. She became ill a few days after Thanksgiving and hasn't recovered. She has been reluctant to try Ivermectin, but this morning she agreed to try it because nothing has worked. I've purchased 6 mg tablets , but I'm unsure of the dosage and how often to take it. Can anyone help us?
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    Hi all, I was wondering if anyone can help us. My wife is 74 years old and weighs 125 lbs. She became ill a few days after Thanksgiving and hasn't recovered. She has been reluctant to try Ivermectin, but this morning she agreed to try it because nothing has worked. I've purchased 6 mg tablets , but I'm unsure of the dosage and how often to take it. Can anyone help us?
    Dosage chart here and I'd urge you to read the whole thread as there a snippets of information, all valuable, throughout it. Like take with food.

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    Hi all, I was wondering if anyone can help us. My wife is 74 years old and weighs 125 lbs. She became ill a few days after Thanksgiving and hasn't recovered. She has been reluctant to try Ivermectin, but this morning she agreed to try it because nothing has worked. I've purchased 6 mg tablets , but I'm unsure of the dosage and how often to take it. Can anyone help us?
    Dosage chart here and I'd urge you to read the whole thread as there a snippets of information, all valuable, throughout it. Like take with food.
    Thank you so much Ewan

    I knew I saw the dosage chart on this thread and really appreciate your help.

    Elizabeth Marie (We R One) sent me a link for the proper dosage, but didn't know how often to administer.

    We were desperate this morning and I told her to take 12 mg based on Elizabeth's research and it turns out she was right.

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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    We were desperate this morning and I told her to take 12 mg based on Elizabeth's research and it turns out she was right.
    Here's the FLCCC chart for 12mg tablets. Basically, she needs just 1 tab per day, taken with food as Ewan said above.



    All the FLCCC protocols are here in this PDF:

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...ol-ENGLISH.pdf



    But note: if the symptoms seem to be a little serious, and it's not really "early treatment" because of the delay, then the protocols recommend to increase this to 0.4-0.6 mg/kg, i.e. 2x or 3x the 1 tablet per day dose above.

    The rest below is what I would be doing myself if I were in that position:
    • I'd take Melatonin — easy to get over the counter or online, 10mg each evening before sleep. (That's a lot! It's quite a knockout dose. But it's very safe, and melatonin really does help with covid according to all the published research.)
    • Vitamin D to 20,000 IU/day (best in 2x 10,000 IU doses morning + evening). In my personal opinion and that of others, the Vit D dosage recommended in the PDF above may be a little low.
    • Vitamin C (best in powder form, and from a natural source rather than synthetic if possible) to bowel tolerance. (That varies a lot between individuals.) A good strategy might be to take 1g (1000mg) every 2-3 hours throughout the day.
    • Quercetin (1200-1600mg/day) and NAC (600 mg/day), And of course Zinc: I'd be taking 100mg/day until the condition improves, then 50mg/day thereafter as a maintenance dose. (Zinc Picolinate is the form most easily absorbed.)
    With these protocols, from everything I have read and heard, most people are back to pretty near normal within a week, and sometimes sooner.
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    I suppose this is where I'm confused.

    My cousin sent me the same information.

    Quote 0.4-0.6 mg/kg,
    Is it ..4 milligrams per Kilogram of weight?

    I just talked to my cousin and he confirmed the dosage is correct.

    Thank you Bill

    Jill's showing signs of improvement since this morning.

    We really appreciate all of your help and support.
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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    I suppose this is where I'm confused.

    My cousin sent me the same information.

    Quote 0.4-0.6 mg/kg,
    Is it 0.4 milligrams per Kilogram of weight?
    Yes, that's correct. For someone weighing 125 lbs (57 kg), 0.4mg/kg would be pretty much 2x 12mg tablets/day.

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    Took my second dose of Ivermectin today .
    I am in relatively close contact with 2 vaxxed relatives here were i reside with them ( garden flat) we share common space outdoors & i hardly venture into main house anymore , so even outside i do keep my distance & even backstep when they come to close into my personal space .
    About a month ago i started experiencing phantom symptoms & they have continued , i am certain its from their shedding & their childrens when they visit .

    Ok .... for you Aussies , I purchased the following tube .

    ULTRAMAX Equine Oral Paste for Horses .
    Active Constituents 140mg/g Praziquantel
    18.7mg/g Ivermectin
    Dose at 1ml/100kg
    The whole tube will treat a 600kg Horse
    .

    I took my first dose on the end of a spoon about3/4 of a spin (full spin = 100kg bodyweight) , tasted acrid despite light apple flavouring (do not lick it down)
    Today i filled a double 00 gelatin capsule & took it with a snack , no after taste , ill be doing this from now on .
    I plan on taking it for 3 more days , then twice weekly for protection .
    cheers

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    But note: if the symptoms seem to be a little serious, and it's not really "early treatment" because of the delay, then the protocols recommend to increase this to 0.4-0.6 mg/kg, i.e. 2x or 3x the 1 tablet per day dose above.

    The rest below is what I would be doing myself if I were in that position:
    • I'd take Melatonin — easy to get over the counter or online, 10mg each evening before sleep. (That's a lot! It's quite a knockout dose. But it's very safe, and melatonin really does help with covid according to all the published research.)
    • Vitamin D to 20,000 IU/day (best in 2x 10,000 IU doses morning + evening). In my personal opinion and that of others, the Vit D dosage recommended in the PDF above may be a little low.
    • Vitamin C (best in powder form, and from a natural source rather than synthetic if possible) to bowel tolerance. (That varies a lot between individuals.) A good strategy might be to take 1g (1000mg) every 2-3 hours throughout the day.
    • Quercetin (1200-1600mg/day) and NAC (600 mg/day), And of course Zinc: I'd be taking 100mg/day until the condition improves, then 50mg/day thereafter as a maintenance dose. (Zinc Picolinate is the form most easily absorbed.)
    With these protocols, from everything I have read and heard, most people are back to pretty near normal within a week, and sometimes sooner.
    When I had covid I took all the above except Melatonin. After 10 covid days I started to take 80mg Melatonin per day. 4x 20 mg. Directly I began to feel better. I took this dose for 5 days and feeling good again en healed after that.

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    Quote Posted by shamballaOn (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    But note: if the symptoms seem to be a little serious, and it's not really "early treatment" because of the delay, then the protocols recommend to increase this to 0.4-0.6 mg/kg, i.e. 2x or 3x the 1 tablet per day dose above.

    The rest below is what I would be doing myself if I were in that position:
    • I'd take Melatonin — easy to get over the counter or online, 10mg each evening before sleep. (That's a lot! It's quite a knockout dose. But it's very safe, and melatonin really does help with covid according to all the published research.)
    • Vitamin D to 20,000 IU/day (best in 2x 10,000 IU doses morning + evening). In my personal opinion and that of others, the Vit D dosage recommended in the PDF above may be a little low.
    • Vitamin C (best in powder form, and from a natural source rather than synthetic if possible) to bowel tolerance. (That varies a lot between individuals.) A good strategy might be to take 1g (1000mg) every 2-3 hours throughout the day.
    • Quercetin (1200-1600mg/day) and NAC (600 mg/day), And of course Zinc: I'd be taking 100mg/day until the condition improves, then 50mg/day thereafter as a maintenance dose. (Zinc Picolinate is the form most easily absorbed.)
    With these protocols, from everything I have read and heard, most people are back to pretty near normal within a week, and sometimes sooner.
    When I had covid I took all the above except Melatonin. After 10 covid days I started to take 80mg Melatonin per day. 4x 20 mg. Directly I began to feel better. I took this dose for 5 days and feeling good again en healed after that.
    Wow, did you mean 80mg (eighty mg!) melatonin per day? That's an enormous amount.

    For many people, just 3mg (or less!) puts them straight into a very pleasant deep sleep. The FLCCC protocol suggests 10mg, which really seems to work well but has always seemed (to me!) like a huge dose.

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    Bill, Thanks for listing the FLCCC website and therein is listed the protocol. It is an important place to locate information on best practices. IMO

    These are my experiences with this matter. I hope they help anyone who is looking into the issue.

    My spouse and I, look to the FLCCC and have done the recommended protocol from the FLCCC webpage for more than a year. And we did find a nurse practitioner listed on there, she covers our area, for an RX of compounded Ivermectin. She said we were doing more than anyone else she's treated for Covid in her practice. I was taking really high D supplements 2x3 times higher and melatonin 20mg daily. She claimed that these were too high a dose to take without supervision. So I backed down on both.

    After the shipment from the compounding Pharmacy being returned. Then a FedEx investigation of loss...and all types of high strangeness about that... It is our third week taking the drug Ivermectin and we are fine. It is prophylactic for us, as we believe we had the Plague, as we call it, or the Wooflu...in the very beginning in Dec. 2019. And again in March 2020.

    I feel the symptoms when in close contact with those that have had the shots. Ever time. And I too have had a strange skin disorder on my left foot for a long time prior to being sick in Dec '19. It ended up on my toes fingers and even my face summer 2020. Real misery that had been to tell you all the truth.

    Franny, thanks too, for the upload on D-Dimer testing. That is a real concern longer term for those that have had the shots. Lots to consider going forward.

    Best to everyone working to figure out what to do.

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