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    Default Re: How OLD are the Great Sphinx and Pyramids at Giza, really?

    https://www.crystalinks.com/nabtaplayastonecircle.html
    ...this site is in the same region not too far from aswan
    i estimate around 6400 BC due to a rare alignment of 3 goddess stars during that period, which passed directly vertically overhead at that exact latitude every day...SPICA, ALPHA VIRGO, SHEDAR ALPHA CASSIOPEIA, AND RUCHBAH, DELTA CASSIOPEIA
    ...Attachment 47123
    ...dawn spring equinox 8,800 bc GIZA..does this look familiar

    sun with royal alpha leo star REGULUS, both rising together exactly in the east...i have no doubt the sky is the original calendar, still in use..i expect the pyramids go back further than the sphinx

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    WELL, they are probably older than we think.

    The Egyptian Sphinx is a unique wonder of the world. Carved from the natural bedrock not far from the three main pyramids at Giza, the Great Sphinx stands guard to the three colossal pyramids behind it.

    Our traditional scholars assure us that they know just how old it is. In fact, Cambridge University Egyptologist Kate Spence says that by analyzing the relative position of Earth and two stars, she has dated the construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza — one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World — to within five years of 2478B.C.

    That means the Great Pyramid is 4,478 years old — or 75 years older than one commonly accepted estimate. This is very impressive.

    And the three pyramids nearby? The precise age of the pyramids of Giza has long been debated because, until now, there has been little evidence to prove when the pyramids were built. The history books generally point to 3200 B.C. as the approximate date when the pyramid of Khufu was under construction. And if you try to inform them that the pyramids are very probably much, much older, they will scoff and probably call you names.

    So which would always be older - the item itself or an image of it? Well the item, of course, since it would need to exist in completed form in order to draw it, right?

    Our scholars nearly always use adjectives like "impressive" and "great" for the Great Sphinx, but somehow we never find them saying "the oldest sphinx in the world". Do you sometimes wonder why that is? It's because they can't.

    Because it's not the oldest - in fact, it's not even close. Good luck on finding images of it, since the traditional scholars control that, and the absolutely do not wish anyone to learn the truth, but in older books on the "Wayback" machine you will find references that tell us "the oldest known sphinx was uncovered near Gobekli Tepe, some 220 miles further east at Kortik Tepe, Turkey". And then they tell us "and it was dated by archaeologists to 9,600 BC!"

    Körtik Tepe is a low mound on the Tigris in Southeastern Turkey, dated to the end of the 11th and the 10th millennia BC. The lithic assemblage from the earliest level at Körtik Tepe is late epi-Palaeolithic in character, and dates to the Younger Dryas. The levels above are dated to the Pre-Pottery Neolithic A [PPNA] period, strata that produced rich lithic industries, hundreds of zoomorphic and anthropomorphic decorated stone vessels, undecorated stone vessels, decorated ritual bone objects, thousands of marine shell beads and several kinds of stone beads, animal decorated stone plaques, bone tools, bone fishing hooks, perforated stones large and small in size, and many kinds of mortars and pestles.

    It was a smaller version at Kortik Tepe, to be sure, (perhaps the original model design for which the Great Sphinx was later built, or in other words, the famous "missing" diagram) and it is now presently in someone's private collection, or perhaps it has been purchased and destroyed. I believe that a three-letter-agency type of historical "wipe" may have been performed on it. In fact I am sure of it.

    But luckily, I found a depiction of it. From an example of 11,500 year old pottery uncovered at the Kortik Tepe site (which is actually some 1,000 years older than Gobekli Tepe according to the Archaeolgists), we find the following image:

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    Now, it may be hard to pick all of this out because I am not yet trained in photo application software tools (I use a very old Windows XP version of Paint Shop Pro) so I highlighted an outline of the important figures in the below image:

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    Yes, I have seen some scholars call this an image of a kneeling sheep, but it is strange that it is kneeling in front of three pyramids. And if is indeed a sheep, it would be the only pot that depicted a sheep kneeling on it in the history of the Middle East. And if we still had the images of the stone carved example that those earlier authors examined, it would be an open and shut slam dunk.

    Now, if this, as the scholars assure us, is 11,600 years old, and it is an image of the Sphinx and the three Giza pyramids in Egypt, then the Sphinx in Egypt has to be .... at least ... 11,601 years old.

    I added one year to the age to allow for travel time, since Kortik Tepe area is some 650 miles north of Cairo.
    Now this begs the question of, since we are now aware that the traditional scholars have been hiding this from us intentionally, why they decided to do this – why support a date that was suggested under the influence of Egyptian scholars? Perhaps they are worried that if they tell the truth, which is that the Egyptian people as we know them today, could not possibly have built the pyramids or the Great Sphinx, since they were not living in the area that long ago, they would no longer be granted access to the Egyptian sites?

    Comments, suggestions, curses, observations - all welcome.

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    There is one irrefutable piece of evidence in all this ....Water erosion marks on the Sphynx ...



    There was no rain in the time of the Pharaohs , we know this beyond doubt ... so the Sphynx had to be there thousands of years before ... Establishment Egyptologists have no answer for this , they just ignore this evidence ( they want to keep their jobs)....

    And the cabal will have placed fake evidence like this ,( they don't want people knowing of ET involvement in our history) ...



    A marking on a chamber in the great pyramid supposedly left by Egyptian construction workers ....

    The best we can tell the BIG pyramids (about 6) were built long before by ET's .. Much later the pharaohs took them over and made tombs of them , re-sculptured the Sphinx , and built many smaller pyramids (Unas etc) , themselves , for tombs

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    Attachment 47323
    8766 BC, when at spring equinox GIZA, the sun and REGULUS(alpha star of leo) both rose together exactly in the east, and the exact direction the sphinx is facing
    is the most likely astronomical timing i have found
    all laid out like the sphinx

    i believe the pyramids to be older
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    ..sorry i forgot i posted this already, cant find how to delete
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    The image of the clay pot is a toilet potty. It is depicted by it's artwork. Which in turn reflects a great deal of societal behaviours of its time.

    The image depicted as a "kneeling sheep" is a chair viewed at 45 degrees. The chair has splayed legs, which you would also expect for that purpose.

    The chair is shown inside a diagonal structure of four levels of privacy/protection, again as one would expect.

    The floor the chair is set on is raised above the ground and double isolated or separated, strongly suggesting the energy relationship associated with the toileting process.

    This floor has dias or discs at each end. These depict the anus or principle of "down the plughole" with bad bodily energy being returned to the circulating Earth energy.

    The raised floor aspect, higher than the base suggests to the user, a safe environment for toileting in respect of the transfer of electrical charge which is likely to have been a problem for the time period of its use.

    All in all, puts your translation skills in the right place. Have a nice day:-)
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    Graham Hancock has covered the topic of the age of the pyramids beautifully as well as the whole theory about ancient civilizations (Atlantis) and how they passed their knowledge to the survivors of the planet after the last cataclysmic event around 12000 BC. . There's a number of talks and documentaries online, also his books.

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    How OLD are the Pyramids and the Sphinx?

    WELL – They are probably much older than you might think!

    The Egyptian Sphinx is a unique wonder of the world. Carved from the natural bedrock not far from the three main pyramids at Giza, the Great Sphinx stands guard to the three colossal pyramids behind it.

    Our traditional scholars assure us that they know just how old it is. In fact, Cambridge University Egyptologist Kate Spence says that by analyzing the relative position of Earth and two stars, she has dated the construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza — one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World — to within five years of 2478B.C.

    That means the Great Pyramid is 4,478 years old — or 75 years older than one commonly accepted estimate. This is very impressive.

    And the three pyramids nearby? The precise age of the pyramids of Giza has long been debated because, until now, there has been little evidence to prove when the pyramids were built. The history books generally point to 3200 B.C. as the approximate date when the pyramid of Khufu was under construction. And if you try to inform them that the pyramids are very probably much, much older, they will scoff and probably call you names.

    So which would always be older – the item itself or an image of it? Well the item, of course, since it would need to exist in completed form in order to draw it, right?

    Our scholars nearly always use adjectives like “impressive” and “great” for the Great Sphinx, but somehow we never find them saying “the oldest sphinx in the world”. Do you sometimes wonder why that is? It’s because they can’t.

    Because it’s not the oldest – in fact, it’s not even close. Good luck on finding images of it, since the traditional scholars control that, and the absolutely do not wish anyone to learn the truth, but in older books on the “Wayback” machine you will find references that tell us “the oldest known sphinx was uncovered near Gobekli Tepe, some 220 miles further east at Kortik Tepe, Turkey”. And then they tell us “and it was dated by archaeologists to 9,600 BC!”

    Körtik Tepe is a low mound on the Tigris in Southeastern Turkey, dated to the end of the 11th and the 10th millennia BC. The lithic assemblage from the earliest level at Körtik Tepe is late epi-Palaeolithic in character, and dates to the Younger Dryas. The levels above are dated to the Pre-Pottery Neolithic A [PPNA] period, strata that produced rich lithic industries, hundreds of zoomorphic and anthropomorphic decorated stone vessels, undecorated stone vessels, decorated ritual bone objects, thousands of marine shell beads and several kinds of stone beads, animal decorated stone plaques, bone tools, bone fishing hooks, perforated stones large and small in size, and many kinds of mortars and pestles.

    It was a smaller version at Kortik Tepe, to be sure, (perhaps the original model design for which the Great Sphinx was later built, or in other words, the famous “missing” diagram) and it is now presently in someone’s private collection, or perhaps it has been purchased and destroyed. I believe that a three-letter-agency type of historical “wipe” may have been performed on it. In fact I am sure of it.

    But luckily, I found a depiction of it. From an example of 11,500 year old pottery uncovered at the Kortik Tepe site (which is actually some 1,000 years older than Gobekli Tepe according to the Archaeolgists), we find the following image:

    Click image for larger version

Name:	POTTERY.PNG
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ID:	47329



    Now, it may be hard to pick all of this out because I am not yet trained in photo application software tools (I use a very old Windows XP version of Paint Shop Pro) so I highlighted an outline of the important figures in the below image:

    11,600 yr old pottery showing Great Sphinx and Giza Pyramids

    Click image for larger version

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    Yes, I have seen some scholars call this an image of a kneeling sheep, but it is strange that it is kneeling in front of three pyramids. And if is indeed a sheep, it would be the only pot that depicted a sheep kneeling on it in the history of the Middle East. And if we still had the images of the stone carved example that those earlier authors examined, it would be an open and shut slam dunk.

    Now, if this, as the scholars assure us, is 11,600 years old, and it is an image of the Sphinx and the three Giza pyramids in Egypt, then the Sphinx in Egypt has to be …. at least … 11,601 years old.

    I added one year to the age to allow for travel time, since Kortik Tepe area is some 650 miles north of Cairo.

    Now this begs the question of, since we are now aware that the traditional scholars have been hiding this from us intentionally, why they decided to do this – why support a date that was suggested under the influence of Egyptian scholars? Perhaps they are worried that if they tell the truth, which is that the Egyptian people as we know them today, could not possibly have built the pyramids or the Great Sphinx, since they were not living in the area that long ago, they would no longer be granted access to the Egyptian sites?

    Comments, suggestions, curses, observations – all welcome.
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    Yes - your higher rainfall fits in with the Younger Dryas event that I mentioned above, so that dating
    works well and agrees with the pottery artist - at the very least 11.600 years old. I had not seen that
    chamber marking before - very interesting. Thanks.

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    "Perhaps one of my distant ancestors or relatives preceded me here—among nineteenth and early twentieth century graffiti inscribed on the entrance to Nefertari’s Temple of Hathor at Abu Simbel can be found my name—“Schoch.” I had noticed this on previous trips, but this time it really impressed me. Perhaps I was feeling nostalgic; it was just short of a quarter century since I had first traveled to Egypt (in June 1990). As I have always found to be the case, my most recent trip (January 2015) yielded fresh revelations and new connections.

    My wife Katie (Catherine Ulissey) and I traveled with members and associates of The Khemit School of Ancient Mysticism, including Yousef and Patricia Awyan, Mohamed Ibrahim, and Gary Evans. One of the major points of discussion throughout the trip was that in many cases inscriptions, be they on temples, tombs, sculptures, or other objects, do not necessarily serve to date the origins of such objects. Certainly the “Schoch” inscription on the Abu Simbel temple does not mean that a Schoch had anything to do with the building of the structure! Yousef and Mohamed pointed out case after case where an older statue or monument had been appropriated by a later pharaoh or notable and inscribed with his or her name.

    The concept of re-appropriation is not a new idea. I came to this conclusion during my earliest studies (1990) of the Great Sphinx of Giza and its associated temples. Egyptologist Selim Hassan (1887–1961), who re-excavated the Great Sphinx in the 1930s, also noted many cases of reuse, including a classic example, which he discusses, in his 1949 book, The Sphinx: Its History in the Light of Recent Excavations, the “Hyksos” or “Tanis” sphinxes. These are carved stone “sphinxes” (actually more accurately described as lions with human faces; they lack the full human head and headdress of more typical sphinxes), some of which are inscribed with the name of the fifteenth Dynasty “Hyksos” Pharaoh Apepi (Apopi, Apophis, Ipepi) who reigned in the sixteenth century BCE. Following the Hyksos period various Tanis sphinxes were reused over and over. An example, now housed in the Egyptian Museum (Cairo), includes cartouches of Apepi, Merneptah (nineteenth Dynasty, reigned late thirteenth century BCE), and Pasibkhanu I (Psusennes I, Pasebxanu I, twenty-first Dynasty, reigned late eleventh century BCE). However, since at least the nineteenth century, it has been suspected that the statues are actually much older than Apepi and were reused during the Hyksos period. Some authors have even suggested that they date to predynastic times, at least 1500 years earlier. The consensus now appears to be that these sphinxes date to the Middle Kingdom, most likely to the reign of the twelfth Dynasty pharaoh Amenemhat III who ruled during the nineteenth century BCE. Hassan concluded, “The presence of the name of the Hyksos King Apopi, which occurs on some of these sphinxes, is only one of the many usurpations which they have undergone, and re-cutting of the stone can be clearly seen” (p. 99). Furthermore, these supposed “Middle Kingdom sphinxes” may, in fact, be reused older statues. “It may be that some of the best specimens attributed to this period [Middle Kingdom] are in reality Old Kingdom [circa twenty seventh to twenty second centuries BCE] work, usurped and altered in detail to meet the prevailing fashion,” Hassan writes (p. 96).

    It was not only these smaller sphinxes that were usurped but the Great Sphinx as well. Hassan describes how the Great Sphinx was venerated and “reused” during New Kingdom times, especially under the successive eighteenth Dynasty pharaohs Amenhotep II and Thutmose (Thutmosis) IV (their reigns spanned the late fifteenth and early fourteenth centuries BCE). The cult of the Great Sphinx persisted, being at times more or less popular, for nearly two thousand years. What about the origins and earlier history of the Great Sphinx?

    Some early classical Egyptologists (nineteenth and early twentieth centuries) thought the Great Sphinx might trace its origins to well before dynastic times. One such authority was Gaston Maspero (1846–1916) who, among other positions, served for a number of years (1881–1886, 1899–1914) as the director-general of excavations and antiquities in Egypt and co-founded the Egyptian Museum in Cairo (opened in 1902). Maspero suggested that the Great Sphinx is the most ancient monument in Egypt, older than the pyramids and other dynastic structures."
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