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    Default The Knights Templar were Slandered by the Church in Rome

    I've made a vow to make shorter posts, and this is a beginning.

    I was doing some research on the Knights Templar and their supposed connections with Satan, for a project that I am working on. I noticed that on a great many occasions they have been associated with Baphomet - supposedly a representation of Satan, and that the Inquisition (that happy group) tried them for heresy and broke up their order (stealing all their money in the process).

    Supposedly this was due to their "worshiping" an image of a man with a beard, and that this was associated with the word Baphomet. Since this was done inside of either secret rituals or an initiation process, I don't really see the harm done, but apparently the money was sufficient to cause the Kings of both France and England to encourage the Pope to disband the order, after burning their members at the stake.

    I say supposedly representing Satan because nobody really knew what it meant. So they got their paid scholars to work. One from England posited that it was from an Egyptian hieroglyph meaning calf or bull. And the boys in France thought it was a reference to Mohammed, the Islamic leader. They forced some of the confessions to include a reference to Yallah, (should have been Allah), and there it sat for many centuries. In fact our Wakipedia friends are still repeating this nonsense.

    I had two thoughts when reading their findings. One, are these scientists or scholars? Because it seems like they went from the answer they wanted and filled in the rest, and Two, how dumb is that?

    Since the Templars were in Jerusalem, the Holy Lands, surrounded by Jewish Rabbis and scholars, one wonders why they did not ask someone that was familiar with those languages? That would have been my first move. Arabic and Canaanite would have followed and then Greek. But no, they stuck to Egyptian and Islamic, with no evidence.

    Suppose that I were a member of the Templars, and devoted to God, and I wished to express the following idea, but I wanted to do so in the local language; so that I could share it with my neighbors and assure them of my harmless attitude and spiritual connection?

    The House of the Lord is a Fountain of Wisdom;
    the Words of Man can be either Good or Evil.

    And the local Rabbi, who by that time knew his Hebrew very well (1000 AD), would have explained that:

    B = Beyt or Bet = house or dwelling, creation, the world to come
    A = Aleph = represents the Lord God
    P or Ph = Pey = speech, word, expression, breath
    M = Mem = deep waters, a fountain of wisdom
    T = Tet = two possibilities for man - good or evil

    So we have Bapmt or Baphomet. There were no vowels added to their writing, yet, but they were working on adding them at the time, so BAPMT is the closest one could come to Baphomet. Aleph was not considered a vowel but used as one. It was silent because it represented God, the unspoken One.

    I have no evidence for this actually being the case, since I am not a Templar, nor do I have access to their secret writings (that's why they are called secret), but it does have the weight of common sense driven by experience, along with an understanding of the locals and the way that that phrase was commonly expressed. So I stand behind it as it is.

    Just trying to help out a group that I feel was maligned for no reason other than money.

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    Default Re: The Knights Templar were Slandered by the Church in Rome

    Have you seen this article?

    The complete pdf can be downloaded here

    https://correspondencesjournal.com/15303-2/

    The “Baphomet” of Eliphas Lévi:
    Its Meaning and Historical Context

    Julian Strube

    Abstract
    Although the Baphomet drawn by Eliphas Lévi (i.e., Alphonse-Louis Constant, 1810–1875) is one of the most famous esoteric images worldwide, very little is known about its context of emergence. It is well established that it has to be seen as a symbolic representation of Lévi’s magnetistic-magical concept of the Astral Light, but the historical background of this meaning remains largely obscure. This article demonstrates that a historical contextualization of the Baphomet leads to an understanding of its meaning that is significantly different from prevalent interpretations. It will firstly be shown that the formation of Lévi’s historical narrative can only be comprehended in the light of his radical socialist writings from the 1840s. It will then be discussed which sources he used to elaborate and re-signify this narrative. Secondly, it will be investigated how Lévi developed his magical theory in the 1850s by focusing on the contexts of “spiritualistic magnetism,” Spiritism, and Catholicism. This analysis will show that the Baphomet should be seen as more than a symbolization of Lévi’s magical theory. It is the embodiment of a politically connoted tradition of “true religion” which would realize a synthesis of religion, science, and politics.

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    Quote Posted by leavesoftrees (here)
    Have you seen this article?

    The complete pdf can be downloaded here

    https://correspondencesjournal.com/15303-2/

    The “Baphomet” of Eliphas Lévi:
    Its Meaning and Historical Context

    Julian Strube

    Abstract
    Although the Baphomet drawn by Eliphas Lévi (i.e., Alphonse-Louis Constant, 1810–1875) is one of the most famous esoteric images worldwide, very little is known about its context of emergence. It is well established that it has to be seen as a symbolic representation of Lévi’s magnetistic-magical concept of the Astral Light, but the historical background of this meaning remains largely obscure. This article demonstrates that a historical contextualization of the Baphomet leads to an understanding of its meaning that is significantly different from prevalent interpretations. It will firstly be shown that the formation of Lévi’s historical narrative can only be comprehended in the light of his radical socialist writings from the 1840s. It will then be discussed which sources he used to elaborate and re-signify this narrative. Secondly, it will be investigated how Lévi developed his magical theory in the 1850s by focusing on the contexts of “spiritualistic magnetism,” Spiritism, and Catholicism. This analysis will show that the Baphomet should be seen as more than a symbolization of Lévi’s magical theory. It is the embodiment of a politically connoted tradition of “true religion” which would realize a synthesis of religion, science, and politics.
    There was a famous large bible done in Europe - can't recall exactly but something with the name Gigas in it. Anyway, it has a picture of Satan - in fact most of the images of Satan are from the imaginations of the monks that sit around in dark chambers all day, when they are not up to mischief that is. Thank you very much for the above link - I will chase it down and it certainly is helpful.
    I still can't determine whether or not the original Templars were Gnostics. We had the Celtic Christians of Ireland and Northern England using a different version of the Bible than the Church in Rome as early as the 400s AD, and the Cathar group that the Catholics slaughtered in France later, so it appears that there were many "protestant" types operating very early on.

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    Default Re: The Knights Templar were Slandered by the Church in Rome

    Quote Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
    I've made a vow to make shorter posts, and this is a beginning.

    I was doing some research on the Knights Templar and their supposed connections with Satan, for a project that I am working on. I noticed that on a great many occasions they have been associated with Baphomet - supposedly a representation of Satan, and that the Inquisition (that happy group) tried them for heresy and broke up their order (stealing all their money in the process).

    Supposedly this was due to their "worshiping" an image of a man with a beard, and that this was associated with the word Baphomet. Since this was done inside of either secret rituals or an initiation process, I don't really see the harm done, but apparently the money was sufficient to cause the Kings of both France and England to encourage the Pope to disband the order, after burning their members at the stake.

    I say supposedly representing Satan because nobody really knew what it meant. So they got their paid scholars to work. One from England posited that it was from an Egyptian hieroglyph meaning calf or bull. And the boys in France thought it was a reference to Mohammed, the Islamic leader. They forced some of the confessions to include a reference to Yallah, (should have been Allah), and there it sat for many centuries. In fact our Wakipedia friends are still repeating this nonsense.

    I had two thoughts when reading their findings. One, are these scientists or scholars? Because it seems like they went from the answer they wanted and filled in the rest, and Two, how dumb is that?

    Since the Templars were in Jerusalem, the Holy Lands, surrounded by Jewish Rabbis and scholars, one wonders why they did not ask someone that was familiar with those languages? That would have been my first move. Arabic and Canaanite would have followed and then Greek. But no, they stuck to Egyptian and Islamic, with no evidence.

    Suppose that I were a member of the Templars, and devoted to God, and I wished to express the following idea, but I wanted to do so in the local language; so that I could share it with my neighbors and assure them of my harmless attitude and spiritual connection?

    The House of the Lord is a Fountain of Wisdom;
    the Words of Man can be either Good or Evil.

    And the local Rabbi, who by that time knew his Hebrew very well (1000 AD), would have explained that:

    B = Beyt or Bet = house or dwelling, creation, the world to come
    A = Aleph = represents the Lord God
    P or Ph = Pey = speech, word, expression, breath
    M = Mem = deep waters, a fountain of wisdom
    T = Tet = two possibilities for man - good or evil

    So we have Bapmt or Baphomet. There were no vowels added to their writing, yet, but they were working on adding them at the time, so BAPMT is the closest one could come to Baphomet. Aleph was not considered a vowel but used as one. It was silent because it represented God, the unspoken One.

    I have no evidence for this actually being the case, since I am not a Templar, nor do I have access to their secret writings (that's why they are called secret), but it does have the weight of common sense driven by experience, along with an understanding of the locals and the way that that phrase was commonly expressed. So I stand behind it as it is.

    Just trying to help out a group that I feel was maligned for no reason other than money.

    I have a friend who is a Knight's Templar, so does my son but I will ask my friend some of these questions, he's an interesting person but there are things he can't tell me of course, what he can tell me, he does. He's in Spain.

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    I've made a vow to make shorter posts, and this is a beginning.

    I was doing some research on the Knights Templar and their supposed connections with Satan, for a project that I am working on. I noticed that on a great many occasions they have been associated with Baphomet - supposedly a representation of Satan, and that the Inquisition (that happy group) tried them for heresy and broke up their order (stealing all their money in the process).

    Supposedly this was due to their "worshiping" an image of a man with a beard, and that this was associated with the word Baphomet. Since this was done inside of either secret rituals or an initiation process, I don't really see the harm done, but apparently the money was sufficient to cause the Kings of both France and England to encourage the Pope to disband the order, after burning their members at the stake.

    I say supposedly representing Satan because nobody really knew what it meant. So they got their paid scholars to work. One from England posited that it was from an Egyptian hieroglyph meaning calf or bull. And the boys in France thought it was a reference to Mohammed, the Islamic leader. They forced some of the confessions to include a reference to Yallah, (should have been Allah), and there it sat for many centuries. In fact our Wakipedia friends are still repeating this nonsense.

    I had two thoughts when reading their findings. One, are these scientists or scholars? Because it seems like they went from the answer they wanted and filled in the rest, and Two, how dumb is that?

    Since the Templars were in Jerusalem, the Holy Lands, surrounded by Jewish Rabbis and scholars, one wonders why they did not ask someone that was familiar with those languages? That would have been my first move. Arabic and Canaanite would have followed and then Greek. But no, they stuck to Egyptian and Islamic, with no evidence.

    Suppose that I were a member of the Templars, and devoted to God, and I wished to express the following idea, but I wanted to do so in the local language; so that I could share it with my neighbors and assure them of my harmless attitude and spiritual connection?

    The House of the Lord is a Fountain of Wisdom;
    the Words of Man can be either Good or Evil.

    And the local Rabbi, who by that time knew his Hebrew very well (1000 AD), would have explained that:

    B = Beyt or Bet = house or dwelling, creation, the world to come
    A = Aleph = represents the Lord God
    P or Ph = Pey = speech, word, expression, breath
    M = Mem = deep waters, a fountain of wisdom
    T = Tet = two possibilities for man - good or evil

    So we have Bapmt or Baphomet. There were no vowels added to their writing, yet, but they were working on adding them at the time, so BAPMT is the closest one could come to Baphomet. Aleph was not considered a vowel but used as one. It was silent because it represented God, the unspoken One.

    I have no evidence for this actually being the case, since I am not a Templar, nor do I have access to their secret writings (that's why they are called secret), but it does have the weight of common sense driven by experience, along with an understanding of the locals and the way that that phrase was commonly expressed. So I stand behind it as it is.

    Just trying to help out a group that I feel was maligned for no reason other than money.

    I have a friend who is a Knight's Templar, so does my son but I will ask my friend some of these questions, he's an interesting person but there are things he can't tell me of course, what he can tell me, he does. He's in Spain.
    WOW - thank you very much - that would be very helpful.

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