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    So I recently gave up Coffee which has proved to be a really beneficial decision for me. Actually giving me more energy and clarity. I've made a video of some of the research I did that led to my decision.

    Here is the link to the South Korean Study.
    https://academic.oup.com/sleep/artic...zsy127/5053876

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    Did you suffer from withdrawal for a few days or more? I tried quitting coffee once and the headaches were terrible.

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    Quote Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
    Did you suffer from withdrawal for a few days or more? I tried quitting coffee once and the headaches were terrible.
    Yes, it was horrendous not just a headache but all over body aches that were quite severe. Worse is over after 1-2 weeks but still some withdrawals after a month. The fact withdrawal is so severe shows the massive effects that coffee has on the body, mind and ultimately spirit.

    I really am so pleased I got off it as I feel so much better for it.
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    I quit drinking coffee for months in my thirties because I was pregnant and felt it could be unhealthy. I experienced all those withdrawal symptoms. However I went back because I couldn't focus well and felt mentally scattered. I don't think I have ADD but those with ADD experience improved focus from stimulants. Many healers recommend coffee enemas for detoxing but also don't recommenced drinking it. The way things are going now we probably wont have coffee around much longer anyway.

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    Good for you Dorj. Quitting coffee is no easy task. Congrats on that.

    I quit because I had to, not because I wanted to. My heart no longer tolerates it. But honestly I'd likely still be drinking it if I could. I just love the taste, the ritual, and the wonderful buzz of course. But overall I'm glad to be done with it.

    There was a time when i would have questioned the meaning of life without coffee. I used to drink oceans of it. But it's just like cigarettes or booze or any other drug in the sense that I felt I required it to fully express myself. I needed it to feel confident and at ease. And I hated that dependence. I hated that weakness. That sense of needing something outside myself to function properly left me feeling mentally and spiritually impotent in some way. I've been off it for 15 years now. The ideas and thoughts still come, but they come a little slower. Now I drink Teecino, which is a lovely coffee alternative. It's rich and bold like coffee but without the caffeine. Highly recommend it

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    Twenty five years ago I gave up coffee for tea. Last year, I gave up tea, too. Just drinking herb teas. My digestion, my nervous system feel better from not having all that acid in me. Both mood and energy level are much more stable. I have a huge selection of herbs to boil and drink and they are loaded with all sorts of plant chemicals. And from an enjoyment level, I enjoy the selection of flavors and smells much more than the same tired boring smell of coffee or tea.

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    Mike, coffee was always an ‘emetic’ for me, smelled lovely, tasted interesting, but within minutes of ingestion a mad trip-to-the-loo!!!
    Could never understand the attraction, breath smelled, and just because it was ‘trendy’ I hated it. My Mum used to make it with half hot milk, eeuuwww, tasted ‘claggy’, so can’t understand this phrenetic sales push of silly-named coffee drinks at exorbitant prices, where celebs have to be pictured carrying a takeaway cup of whatever. Do they get the runs/coffee breath?
    A ginormous con, just like other ginormous cons that benefit corporations.
    My wee local town is advertising a new Costa - why? We don’t need it, plenty of small local cafeterias who need local business. Bored by pushy corporate takeovers, hope the local planning will not be given ‘sweeteners’ to accept… 🙄🙄
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    Mike, Thanks for the Teecino tip - I ordered the sampler. I am addicted to both caffeine and sugar, I am sorry to say. Maybe I can get started on letting one of them go. It's good to hear everyone's experiences. I know my heart would like less stimulant.

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    Mike, coffee was always an ‘emetic’ for me, smelled lovely, tasted interesting, but within minutes of ingestion a mad trip-to-the-loo!!!
    Could never understand the attraction, breath smelled, and just because it was ‘trendy’ I hated it. My Mum used to make it with half hot milk, eeuuwww, tasted ‘claggy’, so can’t understand this phrenetic sales push of silly-named coffee drinks at exorbitant prices, where celebs have to be pictured carrying a takeaway cup of whatever. Do they get the runs/coffee breath?
    A ginormous con, just like other ginormous cons that benefit corporations.
    My wee local town is advertising a new Costa - why? We don’t need it, plenty of small local cafeterias who need local business. Bored by pushy corporate takeovers, hope the local planning will not be given ‘sweeteners’ to accept… 🙄🙄

    Oh yeah it is a natural laxative! It never sent me running to the bathroom though. It just kept me regular

    I initially did not like coffee. No amount of trendiness would convince me to take a sip. I only developed a taste for it later, in my mid 20's maybe.. Plus it was a wonderful revelation for a guy like me who had suffered debilitating fatigue for so long.

    The celeb/coffee photo op thing annoys me too! Every time I see those pics I wanna run up and smack the coffee cup out of their hands. It's always the same pic too. Usually a couple, disheveled, wearing very trendy clothes but in a very sloppy way, sunglasses...emerging from their L.A. bungalow in the middle of the afternoon, appearing as tho they've just woken up. Same thing, every time
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    Quote Posted by Savannah (here)
    I quit drinking coffee for months in my thirties because I was pregnant and felt it could be unhealthy. I experienced all those withdrawal symptoms. However I went back because I couldn't focus well and felt mentally scattered. I don't think I have ADD but those with ADD experience improved focus from stimulants. Many healers recommend coffee enemas for detoxing but also don't recommenced drinking it. The way things are going now we probably wont have coffee around much longer anyway.
    Yes, Unlike our coffee choices, it's not a totally black and white situation.

    As I discussed in the video there are some positives that some find from Coffee and depending on one's Physiology this can vary from person to person. I actually find I am less scattered now.

    Yoga and meditation, although sometimes it has been more of an effort to motivate myself is ultimately far more energised and in the flow. Dreams have been more vivid.

    With all the supply line problems yes I would not be surprised if coffee supply suffers at some point. I'm finding myself more and more removing things from my diet. Where as before I may have been looking for what new supplement can I add, I'm now more focused in what I can remove from my diet to improve wellness.

    I think the experience of fasting, which I know many on this forum value, can highlight the benefits of less.
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    Hey Dorj is that your voice in the video? If it is, you have a fantastic voice man! I could listen to you reading the phonebook (remember phonebooks? Lol)

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Hey Dorj is that your voice in the video? If it is, you have a fantastic voice man! I could listen to you reading the phonebook (remember phonebooks? Lol)
    Well thanks for that Mike, yes it's my voice. Not sure we had audio phonebooks in the Uk, imagine being that person that had to read everything in the phonebook!
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    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    So I recently gave up Coffee which has proved to be a really beneficial decision for me. Actually giving me more energy and clarity. I've made a video of some of the research I did that led to my decision.

    Here is the link to the South Korean Study.
    https://academic.oup.com/sleep/artic...zsy127/5053876

    I no longer drink or smoke, so what do I do?



    I do coffee

    I had seen the pineal gland study and a little while ago on a discussion thread I saw someone posting that coffee actually ripped the ethereal body. It reminded me of watching a documentary talking to one of the merry prankster survivors of the magic bus tour from the summer of love. Having done every drug imaginable in likely unimaginable quantities he said very unironically that the worst of the lot of them was caffeine.

    Sadly for me, one of the real pleasures that I have now is a large espresso to start the day. I don't have much if any after that and recently I quit for awhile just to stamp the addiction on the head but I'm back drinking it now and frankly really enjoying the whole process. I do have decaf as well, but if its the flavinoids that are to blame I guess that wouldn't help either.

    Not that we should be surprised. Probably the same people pushing fluoride or mercury fillings are behind this and they clearly mean us no good:



    I do really like coffee though.

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Hey Dorj is that your voice in the video? If it is, you have a fantastic voice man! I could listen to you reading the phonebook (remember phonebooks? Lol)
    Yes, forgot to say great video

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    Greetings Dorjezigzag,

    Great name! btw.
    Your video is the first I have see of your work and I feel that you've created excellent content. Thank you for sharing your work here.

    I don't know if you are actually looking for others experiences in quitting coffee. I hope that you are. This is what I have to add on the matter.

    I stopped drinking coffee totally all at once. I think it's the only way. But that's me.

    I like other's have said perviously, I began later in young life early 20's because of need really, not because I was attracted to it. In fact, yuck. And never black, at first.

    But boy-howdy did it strike me hard when I heard myself on coffee. A number of years ago at this point was The day I stopped. I was with my spouse and we were in a Whole Foods for breakfast, in Atlanta GA. There was nearly no one in the early morning dinning area, and I was bitching at him over who knows what, and I could not stand the sound of my own voice. I had had two sips of the juice. The threw it out right then and told my spouse, Oh I don't need coffee's help to get pissy at you. It was like I heard an echo of all kinds of...nope not for me... and elected to put up with the pain of letting coffee go. Have not looked back on this point. I set my cap and began to detox from it. The strange thing at the time was the waking up in muscle pain agony. This lasted a number of months.

    All in all it's not the worst thing I have overcome but it was a dark road for certain. I agree with your corporate conjoint point and think it's an important one to think on. Many years ago mid 1980's I took a trip to Seattle WA, to visit a friend who'd moved up there. It's the only time I have, visited. I went to a number of the new coffee houses which were popping up and around in the region. Oh it was a trip! The old growth forests are something to be experienced... Any how I happened to go into the first Starbucks, on Broadway. What an awful place it was, it had no comfy seating, it was all chrome and shine with a long glass fronted counter, like they all have, and I thought wow, this place sucks, it will never take off nationally.

    As an aside, last week I happened to be in a small healing center called Sanctuary, located where I live. The owner was talking to me about all the natural organic things she works to keep ahead of in her business. And one thing she was all on about was her coffee. As mold is a real problem in imported coffee. She has her beans independently lab tested regularly.

    I had no idea mold was an issue in coffee. I found that to be another good reason for giving it up.

    Best on your success.
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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Twenty five years ago I gave up coffee for tea. Last year, I gave up tea, too. Just drinking herb teas. My digestion, my nervous system feel better from not having all that acid in me. Both mood and energy level are much more stable. I have a huge selection of herbs to boil and drink and they are loaded with all sorts of plant chemicals. And from an enjoyment level, I enjoy the selection of flavors and smells much more than the same tired boring smell of coffee or tea.
    Yes its great to be freed from the coffee obsession, The stinging nettles are seeding at the moment and are everywhere and free which can make a nice tea or be eaten in porridge. Has blood cleaning properties especially useful at this time. Chaga mushrooms I've also found quite rewarding.
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    When I was in my 30s I used to hang out in a cafe where refills of coffee were free, so I was drinking it more than I do now.
    Nowadays, I only drink coffee occasionally, and I only drink organic swiss process decaf now.
    I grind the beans myself, always buy them locally, fresh and newly roasted, and I keep them in the freezer for freshness.
    (I do enjoy the taste, but I'm more of an organic decaf tea drinker.)
    I wonder if, in that study they used organic coffee.
    From what I read years ago about coffee production in third world countries (which is where lots of coffee is grown), coffee beans just after picking were often stored in caves in burlap bags, which were then soaked in pesticides to keep bugs, rats and other critters away.
    The pesticides rather than the coffee itself might have something to do with the negative test results.
    Such tests can be deceptive if they don't specify more details about the foods being tested.
    For example foods that are grown organically can yield much different results than commercially grown.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    When I was in my 30s I used to hang out in a cafe where refills of coffee were free, so I was drinking it more than I do now.
    Nowadays, I only drink coffee occasionally, and I only drink organic swiss process decaf now.
    I grind the beans myself, always buy them locally, fresh and newly roasted, and I keep them in the freezer for freshness.
    (I do enjoy the taste, but I'm more of an organic decaf tea drinker.)
    I wonder if, in that study they used organic coffee.
    From what I read years ago about coffee production in third world countries (which is where lots of coffee is grown), coffee beans just after picking were often stored in caves in burlap bags, which were then soaked in pesticides to keep bugs, rats and other critters away.
    The pesticides rather than the coffee itself might have something to do with the negative test results.
    Such tests can be deceptive if they don't specify more details about the foods being tested.
    For example foods that are grown organically can yield much different results than commercially grown.
    Yes of course pesticides are another attack on our physiology and spirit The study was measuring the size of pineal glands through MMR scans of long term coffee drinkers next to non or infrequent coffee drinkers. I'm sure there was a variety in coffee quality they were drinking. In many ways, the study is not surprising as it is well established that coffee messes with melatonin levels which of course is associated with the pineal gland. Also despite being such a tiny size the pineal gland uses more blood than any other part of the brain and is second only to the kidneys in the whole body. It is no wonder with the reduced blood vessel size through coffee that the reduced blood flow to the thirsty pineal gland will affect its size over time.
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    Thank you Dorj, I've just watched your video and it's just what I needed to hear!

    I've spent the last year and a half working until the early hours of the morning, and a 10pm coffee has perked me up and prevented me from falling asleep at the wheel on the way home. However, I've found myself drinking more through the day now so you've spurred me on to cut back, then quit. I'm going back the the (literal) day job soon. I always drank Earl Grey tea (low caffeine and tannin) so I'll look to ease off coffee and stick to EG, fruit tea and water.

    I check my BP regularly and that's been in the normal range; might have been even lower without the coffee though...

    It was interesting about coffee affecting the blood circulation. Since this change of job the skin of my feet has been a lot drier and it can be painful as a result. I put that down to ageing as a chiropodist told me that as you age, your circulation doesn't work so well in getting blood to the extremities. However, it'll be interesting to see if quitting coffee helps there.

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    Default Re: Coffee and the Third Eye. Why I quit coffee

    Quote I no longer drink or smoke, so what do I do?
    Ayahuasca? You wouldn't want to have that every day lol.

    Yes there is something about that Starbucks logo. I recently illustrated a children's book and subverted a lot of the corporate products that were in the images. Sort of like a negative product placement.

    Here's Starbucks becomes Nobucks.
    “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung)

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