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    Default Motivation - stand together - say NO!

    We are in a cul-de-sac created by a bastard offspring of technology and psychopathy. Already they have us herded into a tight place, media controlling the soundbytes permissible and censoring any alternate voices.

    The truth, it is stamped upon. Only what they tell us is to be believed. Be damned the voices of reason or logic.

    Listen to this speech...



    I wonder what Admiral McRaven thinks about what is happening right now?

    I would not have been a good fit with any branch of the military because I have thought for myself since I was a teenager, I was always a rebel against rules. Sometimes just for the sake of it, but especially when they made no sense.

    But there was something in the video above that struck me. The brass bell, all you had to do was ring it and the trials would be over - you would be free. No more problems.

    I would never have rung that bell. That bell would have been the thing that kept me going. (Maybe I would have been a good fit!)

    I will not surrender.

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    I believe we are now at that place where you must stand your ground..must. Just this morning my partner of 54 years got into a very unpleasant (loud) row in our driveway, with a long time friend of hers who abides by what her TV is telling her...and to be fair, her family and friends in the healthcare industry. I won't spell it out, but we have to choose now, and it is not political, it is a moral issue having to do with truth, something there has been so little of from authority. I don't know what to say except stay the course. Do not cave. Any who do, jeopardize the rest of us. Make them say it - speak their evil intentions, so all can hear it.

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    Hummm...
    I may be confused
    about this hand signal.
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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Hummm...
    I may be confused
    about this hand signal.
    [/CENTER]
    Karana Mudra

    Malign Negative Spirit get away from me! :D

    https://www.burmese-art.com/about-bu...s/karana-mudra

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Karana Mudra

    Malign Negative Spirit get away from me! :D

    https://www.burmese-art.com/about-bu...s/karana-mudra

    Thanks, Mashika.
    "...Among various mudra, Karana mudra is the sacred buddhist mudra that focuses on removal of obstacles and fear. It refers to a symbolic protection gesture to keep away from evil and other negative influences. It helps to eradicate all negative emotions like anxiety, fear, depression, etc. and foster positive emotions like happiness and contentment. Hence, Karana mudra is also known as the "gesture for warding off evil.""

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    Default Re: Motivation - stand together - say NO!

    Great thread Ewan.

    I thoroughly enjoyed the admiral's speech, especially the part about never ringing the bell, no matter what!

    However, I would caution against looking to lifetime military leaders, for inspiration and wisdom/guidance, beyond what they (generally speaking) are equipped to offer.

    Military training does indeed offer us many tools for excellent use in our daily lives and outlook, however, most lifers in the military have that huge blind spot in not being able to "see" beyond their long term establishment indoctrination, which goes hand in hand with their hard earned inspirational training. Most of them will fight and die for their nation's wishes, no matter what the cause.

    Like the unquestioning "Duty, God, Country" thing.

    But having gotten that precursor out of the way, all is good there, I'm sure the admiral is a great guy in many respects, with much to be looked up to there, but in the end odds are he's establishment loyal all day long along the lines of a Colin Powell type.

    So more than likely a good exercise in separating the wheat from the chaff. Give credit where credit's due, but have the eye of discernment of where to draw the line so far as looking to this or any other person for guidance, beyond their ability to offer anywhere near a full spectrum of what is sought.
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    Quote Hummm...
    I may be confused
    about this hand signal.
    Mano Cornuta: The sign of the horns is a hand gesture with a variety of meanings and uses in various cultures. It is formed by extending the index and little fingers while holding the middle and ring fingers down with the thumb.



    Sign of the horns
    Main Headings from the article:
    • Religious and superstitious meaning
    • Offensive gesture
    • Northwestern European and North American popular culture
    • Heavy metal culture
    • Electronic communication
    • Gang hand signal
    • Sports culture
    article
    Note: I add it here without further comment. And you are welcome to delete this post.
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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Quote Hummm...
    I may be confused
    about this hand signal.
    Mano Cornuta: The sign of the horns is a hand gesture with a variety of meanings and uses in various cultures. It is formed by extending the index and little fingers while holding the middle and ring fingers down with the thumb.



    Sign of the horns
    Main Headings from the article:
    • Religious and superstitious meaning
    • Offensive gesture
    • Northwestern European and North American popular culture
    • Heavy metal culture
    • Electronic communication
    • Gang hand signal
    • Sports culture
    article
    Note: I add it here without further comment. And you are welcome to delete this post.
    I think i must mention this

    The aspect of what a symbol means across cultures

    Back in the WW2, "stand together" was both used on the western side and on the eastern side, and all across the Nazi forces. In the end, the interpretation of an idea, depends a lot on where you were raised, and what you believe. So as shown here, it represents a lot of things, depending on which way you were raised

    And a lot of people misinterpret it for sure, but i don't think high level officials do. In that case, it means this

    "If i'm a communist, then i make this sign to reject all capitalist's evil ways, that destroy the poor and only care for the top level elite and how to make them richer"

    And

    "If i'm a capitalist, then i make this sign to reject all communist's evil ways, that destroy the progress and only care for keeping everyone very poor except their elite who remains at the same richest level and get richer day by day, on the back of the poor and then make sure no one can get rich beyond them or do more than the next person on the street"

    In both cases, it's all very misunderstood, but as much as that sign has been misunderstood, so does society and laws and the way of living across cultures

    But in the end, the elite is all of them just looking out for themselves, whatever the ideology behind is. (The ideology is only meant to be used as a tool to manage the masses, not for you or your children)

    It's in the end just the same pond, just looked at from different views. A frog or a fish or a dragonfly, it's just the same in the end. For politician's point of view "we're not one of those species, we are the one who adds the artificial food every day to keep things going, for our enjoyment"
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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Karana Mudra

    Malign Negative Spirit get away from me! :D

    https://www.burmese-art.com/about-bu...s/karana-mudra

    Thanks, Mashika.
    "...Among various mudra, Karana mudra is the sacred buddhist mudra that focuses on removal of obstacles and fear. It refers to a symbolic protection gesture to keep away from evil and other negative influences. It helps to eradicate all negative emotions like anxiety, fear, depression, etc. and foster positive emotions like happiness and contentment. Hence, Karana mudra is also known as the "gesture for warding off evil.""
    This is the first time I hear so about the gesture. Thank Masha for sharing this and I appreciate Paula's quote explaination. Hugs.
    Last edited by xidaijena; 24th September 2021 at 06:48.
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    Quote Posted by xidaijena (here)
    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Karana Mudra

    Malign Negative Spirit get away from me! :D

    https://www.burmese-art.com/about-bu...s/karana-mudra

    Thanks, Mashika.
    "...Among various mudra, Karana mudra is the sacred buddhist mudra that focuses on removal of obstacles and fear. It refers to a symbolic protection gesture to keep away from evil and other negative influences. It helps to eradicate all negative emotions like anxiety, fear, depression, etc. and foster positive emotions like happiness and contentment. Hence, Karana mudra is also known as the "gesture for warding off evil.""
    This is the first time I hear so about the gesture. Thank Masha for sharing this and I appreciate Paula's quote explaination. Hugs.
    Hi Jena,

    It comes. as far as i know, from the old Indian culture, and not from China's Buddhism that followed after, so that may be the reason you did not hear of it before. Is it not a symbol of a very old religious view? <3

    This comes from way before our time, but it's there
    Last edited by Mashika; 24th September 2021 at 07:29.

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    Hummm...
    I may be confused
    about this hand signal.
    I can see that this could be construed as an evil sign, but rest assured it is not. I'm glad that he is an alumnus of the University of Texas at Austin, as I am. This our gesture of "hook 'em horns" which is a sign to show our school spirit during football games and elsewhere! Our school mascot is the longhorn bull known for their long and wide horns. Similarly, our school color is burnt orange.

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    IMV, Any sign is what you make it with your cultural or only personal / psychological background.

    Just think about 'swastika' as another example. It was not invented by the Nazis, just misused, perverted, modified for their evil politics and ideology.

    It is much older also going back to ancient times (India, China, Native-american, etc.) and was a spiritual symbol.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/myth...history-001312

    http://reclaimtheswastika.com/index.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wester...y_20th_century




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    Re: swastika

    Going way off topic for this thread, so one post only from me regarding "swastika".

    Yes, it's ancient and world wide. It meant something entirely different and got co-opted and destroyed. Maybe it's from observing this?

    And destroyed maybe in part because it is evidence of something ancient and world wide?
    The only place a perfect right angle ever CAN be, is the mind.

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    My apologies for the off topic comment in the post above. My suggestion would be to refocus on Admiral McRave’s list of ten suggestions to a better world which I’m in 100% agreement with and aspire to live daily.

    My nephew (RIP) was a navy seal. I have great respect for their tenacity. I’ve participated in two outward bound experiences. In case it needs to be said, in no way do I compare myself to these warriors. The archetype is within us all. We express it in different ways. Heart, mind, determination, follow through, and the courage to be there for humanity in right measure are ways we change the world.

    Stepping out of this thread.

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    Hi Jena,

    It comes. as far as i know, from the old Indian culture, and not from China's Buddhism that followed after, so that may be the reason you did not hear of it before. Is it not a symbol of a very old religious view? <3

    This comes from way before our time, but it's there
    Hi Masha,

    You are right.

    Buddism was originated from India instead of China.

    Shakyamuni was an Indian.

    Bodhidharma was sent by his Master to preach Buddism to China.

    Because the ancestor of Shakyamuni was one dragon who followed Satan.

    This story was recorded in the "Origin of Humanity" by Xuefeng.
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)

    However, I would caution against looking to lifetime military leaders, for inspiration and wisdom/guidance, beyond what they (generally speaking) are equipped to offer.

    Military training does indeed offer us many tools for excellent use in our daily lives and outlook, however, most lifers in the military have that huge blind spot in not being able to "see" beyond their long term establishment indoctrination, which goes hand in hand with their hard earned inspirational training. Most of them will fight and die for their nation's wishes, no matter what the cause.

    Like the unquestioning "Duty, God, Country" thing.
    Thank you Gracy, I did consider adding a caveat to my original post when I was composing it. The message was the ideas and corresponding inspiration, nothing to do with uniforms.

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