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    • Did the Universe Need Conscious Life? Documentary about Consciousness 2021:

    • Deeper Understanding and Appreciation of Value Realism ... Something True in a Deeper Sense.
    This documentary explores the possibility that consciousness and life are required to exist in the universe. We investigate different theories, including the possibility that conscious life is destined to transform the universe, and that in its final state, participates in the creation of its own existence.

    "Causes that originates from The Future" & "Self-Excited Circuit" are also discussed.

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    Everything in the above video points to the fact that MIND started ITS UNIVERSE as a CLOSED SYSTEM. Imagine unlimited memory storage, complete isolation meaning NO OTHER MIND FOR COMPANY. Thoughts will form. First will be created the concept of SPACE/TIME which will come about when Mind creates two Others. These begin to THINK (create). Each logical thought/creation brings about the necessity of those to follow and correct balance is progressively created/corrected until the Universe we think we know comes into existence. Therefore, each of us created shares a part of the MIND of the creator and is a co-creator. Extrapolate and Interpolate from there. Have fun.

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    Well, this is what's known as the Anthropic Principle. If there was no conscious life in the universe, there'd be no-one to observe that. So if one stops to think about this for a couple of moments, there HAS to be conscious life in any universe we might happen to be in... so we can talk about why it's there.


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    Well, this is what's known as the Anthropic Principle. If there was no conscious life in the universe, there'd be no-one to observe that. So if one stops to think about this for a couple of moments, there HAS to be conscious life in any universe we might happen to be in... so we can talk about why it's there.


    Totally dig that ... but it is still a paradox as who created consciousness? and if we ever find out who that is ... who created that? ... Never ending questions in to infinity.
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    Well, this is what's known as the Anthropic Principle. If there was no conscious life in the universe, there'd be no-one to observe that. So if one stops to think about this for a couple of moments, there HAS to be conscious life in any universe we might happen to be in... so we can talk about why it's there.

    Totally dig that ... but it is still a paradox as who created consciousness?
    Consciousness came first. The universe then followed.

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    Everything in the above video points to the fact that MIND started ITS UNIVERSE as a CLOSED SYSTEM. Imagine unlimited memory storage, complete isolation meaning NO OTHER MIND FOR COMPANY. Thoughts will form. First will be created the concept of SPACE/TIME which will come about when Mind creates two Others. These begin to THINK (create). Each logical thought/creation brings about the necessity of those to follow and correct balance is progressively created/corrected until the Universe we think we know comes into existence. Therefore, each of us created shares a part of the MIND of the creator and is a co-creator. Extrapolate and Interpolate from there. Have fun.
    The term "Mind" is different than the term "Awareness" that is beyond the (often self-imposed) limitations of "The Mind" ... I always felt that "The Mind" is secondary ... just a translator after the fact ... while, what I call: "The Neutral Observer Awareness" is beyond duality thinking.

    And yes "The Mind" can be used as a tool to give shape to (y)our wishes, hopes & unlimited creativity ... But to me, Awareness already knows the (self imposed) limitations & boundaries before the mind get to that point ... being a student of that what is beyond it's own reach ...

    Consciousness - "Being Self-Aware" - "Being an Observer" all 3 can use the "Mind" as a translator and any translation of anything could just an estimation & approximation and should always be tested what is truly true or fitting someones limited agenda.

    Dr. Steven Greer often uses the term:"Unbound Mind" for a good reason ... and no I did not get "inspired" by him ... To me, he is just stating the obvious, hoping people go beyond their conditioning. Let the experience be your teacher not the mind having 1000+ ideas before it really happened.

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    The documentary above could be a dual indication of all space and time and also the unimaginable unattainable knowledge of what we call God is.

    If there is a God then God could never be described or even imagined by us humans. God would be beyond all and everything that exists or anything that will ever exist.

    Hope this is not off topic.
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    The documentary above could be a dual indication of all space and time and also the unimaginable unattainable knowledge of what we call God is.

    If there is a God then God could never be described or even imagined by us humans. God would be beyond all and everything that exists or anything that will ever exist.

    Hope this is not off topic.
    I rather use the more neutral, agenda free/condition free term: "Prime Creator" free from all labels people use to describe the indescribable ... and it is beyond any human and/or alien made religions.

    There is no monopoly on genuine authentic spirituality (free from human and/or alien agendas!).

    Prime Creator is too big and way beyond any human made and/or alien made religions.

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    Well, this is what's known as the Anthropic Principle. If there was no conscious life in the universe, there'd be no-one to observe that. So if one stops to think about this for a couple of moments, there HAS to be conscious life in any universe we might happen to be in... so we can talk about why it's there.

    My understanding..

    The universe itself is an expression of consciousness, as we understand it.

    If a tree falls in the forest etc. is a simplified question of the very same conundrum.

    All was one until a split arose, the split needs healing. Consciousness, (again, as we understand it), can never understand itself, but, there exists within us something beyond consciousness. That is what awaits our individual and collective awakening.

    Language cannot really explain these things so it is difficult to use it (language) effectively. Many signposts exist though in allegorical form.

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    Consciousness came first. The universe then followed.
    Yes, that's very true.

    All life is sentient, all life can perceive, sense and feel things. I used to think that animal consciousness did not exist but now I believe animals possess a different consciousness, a form of self-awareness.

    Human consciousness is something special in the world/universe, it is irreducible to physical laws, it is a carrier of meaning and purpose. The origins of consciousness is another discussion altogether.

    This is not a direct quote but I am paraphrasing Carl Jung
    In my mind, man is indispensable for the completion of creation, in a sense man is the second creator of the world who alone has given to the world its objective existence. Without man all other life on the planet would have been unheard, unseen, silently eating, giving birth, dying through hundreds of millions of years, it would have gone on with the nonhuman beings down to the unknown end. Human consciousness created objective existence and meaning. Man found his indispensable place in the great process of being.
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    • Did the Universe Need Conscious Life? Documentary about Consciousness 2021:
    • Deeper Understanding and Appreciation of Value Realism ... Something True in a Deeper Sense.
    This documentary explores the possibility that consciousness and life are required to exist in the universe. We investigate different theories, including the possibility that conscious life is destined to transform the universe, and that in its final state, participates in the creation of its own existence.

    "Causes that originates from The Future" & "Self-Excited Circuit" are also discussed.

    cheers,
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    This is a quote from Carl Sagan at 2:06 "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." That mirrors The Law of One material.

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    Quote 82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.

    Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.
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    I agree with John about The Prime Creator. This is who I mean when I say God. Because we come from Him/It we are, to a degree, Him/It also, sharing His/Its atributes.

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    3 interconnected "living wisdom's":

    01. When the mind is the master over the heart/intuition it becomes (mostly) enslaved by the self-imposed limitations.
    02. When an unbound mind is a student of the heart/intuition it becomes (mostly) liberated ...
    03. When the experience becomes the true teacher and not the projected fears of the mind you have a better chance to expand your awareness much faster and spiritually grow beyond your expectations.

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    Well, this is what's known as the Anthropic Principle. If there was no conscious life in the universe, there'd be no-one to observe that. So if one stops to think about this for a couple of moments, there HAS to be conscious life in any universe we might happen to be in... so we can talk about why it's there.

    • Is the Anthropic Principle Significant? | Episode 1904 | Closer To Truth:


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    Well, this is what's known as the Anthropic Principle. If there was no conscious life in the universe, there'd be no-one to observe that. So if one stops to think about this for a couple of moments, there HAS to be conscious life in any universe we might happen to be in... so we can talk about why it's there.

    • Is the Anthropic Principle Significant? | Episode 1904 | Closer To Truth:


    "Ego" doesn't exist if no one is there to watch it.. "I created an entire universe, which has no purpose at all...."

    Or

    If God exists, he has some kind of ego. Otherwise why would he create beings and then let them know he "exists", so they can "look up"?
    Whatever happens, happens next.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Well, this is what's known as the Anthropic Principle. If there was no conscious life in the universe, there'd be no-one to observe that. So if one stops to think about this for a couple of moments, there HAS to be conscious life in any universe we might happen to be in... so we can talk about why it's there.

    Totally dig that ... but it is still a paradox as who created consciousness?
    Consciousness came first. The universe then followed.
    I just have to interject a favorite catchy tune. I INSIST that we have free will and where we are is "where we are in consciousness" and if it were impossible, then we wouldn't be!

    "What’s the reason, where’s the rhyme
    How’d we end up on this line
    All those other possibilities
    They’re just as real, but they don’t have me
    It’s no big deal, not worth a fuss
    They’re just as real, but they don’t have us, have us"

    Quote THE ANTHROPIC VIEWPOINT
    music and lyrics (c) by Rob Bryanton (SOCAN)

    (This song combines the concept of the “Anthropic Principle” as advanced by Stephen Hawking in his “The Universe in a Nutshell” with Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorems, one of the central points of Douglas Hofstadter’s amazing “Gödel, Escher, Bach”, and throws in some strange ideas of my own. And it’s got a good beat and you can dance to it.)

    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
    The only thing that I know for certain
    In everything that you say and do
    The only thing you know for sure is you
    Believe in that and you will be okay
    You could live to fight another day, some day

    Pay no mind to those tiny little voices
    Every day you gotta make some choices
    Make ‘em right and you can carry on
    Make ‘em wrong and you will soon be gone
    And if it seems just a little unfair
    Get used to it, cause the stars don’t care, don’t care

    In the anthropic viewpoint
    The reason we’re here is because we’re here
    And if it were impossible
    Then we wouldn’t be

    If there’s other worlds then we’ve just missed ‘em
    No way to know what’s outside our system
    We’re like goldfish livin in a bowl
    What’s beyond it we can never know
    All we can do is theorize
    Cause we can never… get outside, outside

    In the anthropic viewpoint…

    So here we are in the Hydrogen Conspiracy
    That’s the way that it certainly appears to be
    What’s the reason, where’s the rhyme
    How’d we end up on this line
    All those other possibilities
    They’re just as real, but they don’t have me
    It’s no big deal, not worth a fuss
    They’re just as real, but they don’t have us, have us

    In the anthropic viewpoint
    The reason we’re here is because we’re here
    And if it were impossible
    Then we wouldn’t be



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    Everything in the above video points to the fact that MIND started ITS UNIVERSE as a CLOSED SYSTEM. Imagine unlimited memory storage, complete isolation meaning NO OTHER MIND FOR COMPANY. Thoughts will form. First will be created the concept of SPACE/TIME which will come about when Mind creates two Others. These begin to THINK (create). Each logical thought/creation brings about the necessity of those to follow and correct balance is progressively created/corrected until the Universe we think we know comes into existence. Therefore, each of us created shares a part of the MIND of the creator and is a co-creator. Extrapolate and Interpolate from there. Have fun.
    The term "Mind" is different than the term "Awareness" that is beyond the (often self-imposed) limitations of "The Mind" ... I always felt that "The Mind" is secondary ... just a translator after the fact ... while, what I call: "The Neutral Observer Awareness" is beyond duality thinking.

    And yes "The Mind" can be used as a tool to give shape to (y)our wishes, hopes & unlimited creativity ... But to me, Awareness already knows the (self imposed) limitations & boundaries before the mind get to that point ... being a student of that what is beyond it's own reach ...

    Consciousness - "Being Self-Aware" - "Being an Observer" all 3 can use the "Mind" as a translator and any translation of anything could just an estimation & approximation and should always be tested what is truly true or fitting someones limited agenda.

    Dr. Steven Greer often uses the term:"Unbound Mind" for a good reason ... and no I did not get "inspired" by him ... To me, he is just stating the obvious, hoping people go beyond their conditioning. Let the experience be your teacher not the mind having 1000+ ideas before it really happened.

    cheers,
    John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
    September 30th, 2021
    Hi John,

    Here is an article about Heart, Mind, Consciousness wrote by Xuefeng, you can have a read. It is in Chinese, I use Google translate.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    心心灵思维意识


    心:是思维的空间,犹如人之卧室,犹如工厂的厂房。

      心灵:是进出思维空间的信息,犹如卧室的一切陈设和主人,犹如工厂的设施和机器设备及全体工作人员。

      思维:是心灵依据现象,概念进行分析、综合、判断、推理、归纳的认识过程,犹如卧室主人的生活习惯和生活方式,犹如工厂老板和管理层的决策活动和其他工作人员的劳动方式。

      意识:是心灵的一种相对稳定的动态反物质结构,是思维的结果,犹如卧室、卧室陈设、卧室主人及卧室主人体现出的生活状态的总称。

      心是天造地设的,人的整个肉体都是心,整个宇宙就是心,心本质上是空的,只有当灵进入心以后,心才是活的,心的寿命长久与否取决于灵是否依然住在心里,心的大小取决于进出心的灵的能量大小,上帝的灵进驻了心, 心就是整个宇宙;神灵进驻了心,心就拥有了太极的一半;佛灵进驻了心,心就占据了整个反物质世界;仙灵进驻了心,心就拥有了生命的所有高层空间;国王总统的灵进驻了心,心就占据了这个国家的所有版图;贤人的灵进驻 了心,地球上所有能观察到的现象就占据了心;凡人的灵进驻了心,心就拥有了国家、民族、宗教、政党、家庭、亲朋好友;俗人的灵进驻了心,钱、权、地位、名利、色相、怨恨、仇恨就占据了心;浑人的灵进驻了心,心就只 想吃穿住行大小便本能所驱动了……

      心和灵经常是结合在一起的,灵离开了心,人就成了植物人,进驻心的灵若层次低、能量小,这个人就比较死板、不灵活,说一个人死气沉沉,实际上就是这个人缺乏灵性,什么叫心灵美?谁有机会去观察比较100个私人 卧室,就会理解什么叫心灵美。有的卧室干净整洁简单朴素,有的卧室富丽堂皇高雅华贵,有的卧室杂乱无章乱七八糟,有的卧室浊气熏天阴森可怖,每个人心灵的状态就是这样。

      心灵的状态决定了一个人生命的基本内涵,这个内涵从一个人的气质、谈吐、习惯上能表现出来,心灵的状态是由人的意识决定的,而意识主要是由思维决定的。所以,归根结底,生命的反物质结构主要靠思维,思维达不到 ,就无法形成相应的意识结构,意识没有变化,生命的反物质结构没有丝毫改变。

      让我们来总结一下:电脑网络系统就像是心,网络系统中的所有信息,包括文章图片音乐等等就是灵,一个网站就是一个心,这个网站中的内容就是灵,这个心和这个灵就构成了这个网站的心灵,若网站里的内容乱七八糟, 没有秩序,这个网站的意识就杂乱无章,若设定一定的程序,对内容进行分析、综合、判断、归纳,然后有序地排列起来,这个网站就赏心悦目,条理清晰,就说明这个网站的意识-内涵和外延美。

      生命是有灵性的一种反物质结构,这个反物质结构的核心是意识。心灵会随时变化,随着时空和对象的不同而呈现出不同姿态,子女在他父母眼里心灵是美的,下属在上司面前能表现出谦卑的心灵美,“情人眼里出西施,仇 人眼里出魔鬼”,我们的修行修炼还是要在思维上下功夫,思维符合上帝道的运行,心灵必然是美的,思维定势了,意识就无法改变,心灵就像早霞晚霞,无法保持长久的瑰丽。




    Heart: It is a space for thinking, like a bedroom for a person, like a factory building.

      Mind: It is the information that enters and exits the thinking space, like all the furnishings of the bedroom and the owner, like the facilities and machinery of the factory and all the staff.

      Thinking: It is the process of understanding, analyzing, synthesizing, judging, reasoning, and inducing concepts based on the phenomenon of the mind, just like the living habits and lifestyle of the bedroom owner, like the decision-making activities of the factory owner and management and the labor methods of other workers.

       Consciousness: It is a relatively stable and dynamic anti-matter structure of the mind. It is the result of thinking. It is like a general term for the living conditions embodied by the bedroom, bedroom furnishings, bedroom owner, and bedroom owner.

    The heart is created by nature, the entire human body is the heart, the entire universe is the heart, and the heart is essentially empty. Only when the spirit enters the heart, the heart is alive. The longevity of the heart depends on whether the spirit is still alive. In the heart, the size of the heart depends on the energy of the spirit that enters and exits the heart. The spirit of God enters the heart, and the heart is the entire universe; when the gods enter the heart, the heart owns half of Tai Chi; when the Buddha enters the heart, the heart occupies The whole anti-matter world; when the fairy enters the heart, the heart has all the high-level space of life; the spirit of the king and the president enters the heart, and the heart occupies all the territory of the country; the spirit of the sage enters the heart, and all the energy on the earth Observed phenomena occupy the heart; when the mortal spirit enters the heart, the heart has the country, nation, religion, political party, family, relatives and friends; the lay spirit enters the heart, money, power, status, fame, wealth, color, Resentment and hatred take over the heart; the soul of the whole person settles in the heart, and the heart only wants to eat, wear, shelter, and be driven by its instinct...

    The heart and the spirit are often combined together. When the spirit leaves the heart, a person becomes a vegetative person. If the spirit that enters the heart has a low level and low energy, the person is more rigid and inflexible. If a person is dead, this is actually People lack spirituality, what is spiritual beauty? Whoever has the opportunity to observe and compare 100 private bedrooms will understand what spiritual beauty is. Some bedrooms are clean and tidy, simple and simple, some are magnificent, elegant and luxurious, some are messy and messy, and some bedrooms are frightening and terrifying. This is how everyone's mind is.

      The state of the mind determines the basic connotation of a person's life. This connotation can be expressed in a person's temperament, conversation, and habits. The state of the mind is determined by the person's consciousness, and the consciousness is mainly determined by the thinking. So, in the final analysis, the anti-matter structure of life mainly depends on thinking. If thinking is not achieved, the corresponding consciousness structure cannot be formed. There is no change in consciousness, and the anti-matter structure of life has not changed at all.

    Let us summarize: a computer network system is like a heart. All the information in the network system, including articles, pictures, music, etc., is the spirit. A website is a heart, and the content in this website is the spirit. The heart and the spirit are the same. It forms the heart of this website. If the content on the website is messy and out of order, the consciousness of this website will be messy. The website is pleasing to the eye and clearly organized, which shows the beauty of the website's consciousness-connotation and extension.

    Life is a spiritual anti-matter structure. The core of this anti-matter structure is consciousness. The key to forming consciousness is thinking. The mind will change at any time, showing different postures according to the time and space and the object. The children are beautiful in the eyes of their parents, and the subordinates can show the humble spiritual beauty in the eyes of the boss. "Being out of the devil", our practice and cultivation still need to work hard on thinking. Thinking conforms to the operation of God's way. The mind is bound to be beautiful. Once the mind is set, the consciousness cannot be changed.

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    Xuefeng explained a lot, hope you can get something from it.

    Have a nice day.

    Jena
    I once lived in Chinese Largest Ecovillage —New Oasis for Life Community of Lifechanyuan. I hope to be a light worker to spread God's love and hope one day, I can live in more communities around the world. May God bless.

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    Default Re: Did the Universe Need Conscious Life?

    Imagine a dimension where thought does not exist. Thought only exists in this dimension. Before the creation of this 'Experiment' by the "Creators Beings" this dimension and/or thought did not exist at all. Then they created it and then they were confused. They could not understand how it took off! How it continued to expand and grow from seemingly nothing and they couldn't stop it if they wanted to! All they could do was watch and try to learn. Other conscious beings became aware of the experiment and curious as they were they developed ways to allow some of those among them, 144,000 to be exact to go into the dimension of thought, to experience it for themselves first hand and report back what they witnessed and experienced.

    It is said that if you have been in the presence of the "LIGHT" and/or become aware of this Light of love and supreme awareness, this presence, and interacted with it or other supreme awareness and if you have flown and been out of your body, gone through walls, ceilings, had visions, been contacted, healed or any other such interactions then you are among those sent. You are the proverbial "CHOSEN"! You are among those that remain awake after the physical thought experiences here, you have left your bodies time and again here while experiencing and you are among those that have a big upload at the end reliving every last second, thought, feeling and more all those thoughts feelings and intensities of those around you at the time to better see what it is that was created in this experiment for the creators of it that still do not understand it. Not everyone around you experiences these things or understands them. If you do it will resonate and if you don't it won't.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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