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    Default Flirting with War (China vs Taiwan, and whatever might ensue)

    Not only is China's military flying over Taiwan these days, but they recently sent a missile right over Sydney, Australia, for all the natives to see:
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...dney-australia

    The bad relations between China and Australia took an unbelievable turn this week when China fired a "Long March 3B" nuclear-capable missile, directly over Sydney, Australia.
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    Can't imagine any other way to spin other than deliberate and clear message sent to Au govt. It was 1 week ago? This is the first I'm hearing about it, asked a few other people and no one had any idea. This should have had gotten way more coverage.
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    Quote Posted by Ankle Biter (here)
    Can't imagine any other way to spin other than deliberate and clear message sent to Au govt. It was 1 week ago? This is the first I'm hearing about it, asked a few other people and no one had any idea. This should have had gotten way more coverage.
    This is the usual, i read about it just around 2/3 hours after it happened, it was all over the news here. Yet the media on the western side keeps silent about this, it's just how it works i guess. There was no retaliation of any sorts, or any message sent from the AU gov back to China. So since there's no strong posturing about this event, they silence it completely, or people would begin to ask the AU government some serious questions

    Neither the US or Australia said much about it
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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Quote Posted by Ankle Biter (here)
    Can't imagine any other way to spin other than deliberate and clear message sent to Au govt. It was 1 week ago? This is the first I'm hearing about it, asked a few other people and no one had any idea. This should have had gotten way more coverage.
    This is the usual, i read about it just around 2/3 hours after it happened, it was all over the news here. Yet the media on the western side keeps silent about this, it's just how it works i guess. There was no retaliation of any sorts, or any message sent from the AU gov back to China. So since there's no strong posturing about this event, they silence it completely, or people would begin to ask the AU government some serious questions

    Neither the US or Australia said much about it

    If I didn't know better it would seem like AU & their partners (AUKUS), don't want to deal with this inconvenience right now as they have more urgent matters to deal with domestically... "Hey China don't try scare our citizens, that's our job".
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    See this? Interesting this also happens around the same time other events are happening

    "US submarine hits underwater object in South China Sea"
    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/07/p...sea/index.html
    Quote The US Navy did not specify the incident took place in the South China Sea, only that it occurred in international waters in the Indo-Pacific region.
    Quote The Connecticut was operating in the waters around the South China Sea as the US and its allies have been carrying out a major multinational show of force in the region led by the United Kingdom's Carrier Strike Group 21. The ongoing operations saw exercises with ships from the US, UK, Japan, Australia, Canada, and the Netherlands, including three aircraft carriers, training in and around the South China Sea.
    What else are they not saying? Why specifically leave out that it happened near to China? Everyone knows in the end, so it just shows a weakness point right there, once more

    This was on the news around 8 hours ago or so, yet on any western website you visit, it was news only around 3/4 hours ago, tops. Why? Are they waiting for instructions on how to spin it? :D

    Maybe China is testing remote controlled underwater devices, such as what Russia also has now, but this are not armed, they just tested if they could reach the sub while unnoticed, and they did So now the US has a big problem, they don't know how it was undetected or where it came from, they don't even know what happened! "Of course they do, but they can't admit they don't have any way to fight against it" So "random fake explanation go!"

    Just imagine that, the US/UK/AU deal to build new submarines and then this happens lol. It's a show to prove the world that as of right now, every single nuclear submarine using US/UK tech is a sitting duck in the water. It's obsolete. Of course that won't be on the news, but China is happy right now, very very happy

    "We don't know how their tech works, we didn't see it coming, it hit us out of nowhere!" Is not a headline you will see on any western media. Specially right now that the sub deal is signed and confirmed, see?
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    that would explain recent siteings of UN vehicles in NSW Australia

    https://7news.com.au/technology/spac...dney-australia
    Quote China Long March 3B rocket launch lines up with flying object seen over Sydney
    Published: 28/09/2021
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    War is always going to be an option / outcome to try and reset this deliberate economic and social destruction; the financial stresses have been building since 2008 - growing civil unrest may be the trigger for war as global governments try to distract and unite the farm animals

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    as seen on Cliff High's feed...

    https://twitter.com/JB_Slear/status/...550840334?s=20




    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...minister-warns

    Quote Beijing Will Have "Full Ability" To Invade Taiwan By 2025, Defense Minister Warns

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    The following is Alexandra Bruce's (ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net) summary of Clif High's video titled "Flux Woo" which is posted elsewhere on this site. I feel that the summary is so important that I want it posted here, as Clif makes so much sense about the Chinese Communist Party's motives for the past six decades. The video link will be at the end, but here is Alexandra's summary:

    "If we'd been told in mid-2019 that we would be living under the level of tyranny, oppression and institutional collapse that has since descended upon the world, we would not have believed it. That's why we are desperate to know the true reason why this is happening.

    In this video, Clif High gives a thumbnail sketch of the geopolitical history that has brought us to this point and the agenda that is driving all of it. We can assess his version and put it side-by-side with all that we have previously observed and considered.

    I think he makes a lot of sense here and that this is a starting point towards an understanding the battlefield and what's next.

    Ultimately, he thinks this all has to do with a dawning ice age and China's race against starvation, social chaos and potential collapse. This is what the rush is all about.

    THE INTERNATIONAL GEOPHYSICAL YEAR

    Clif believes something happened around 1955-1956 that rapidly spurred the creation of the International Geophysical Year, an international scientific project involving 67 countries that lasted from 1 July 1st, 1957 to December 31st, 1958.

    He says that Mao made a speech in 1958 that he thinks was a result of the Project's findings, in which he first announced that China must conquer the West and that over the next ten years, the CCP developed the plan of the "Three Pathways" for China to conquer the planet, based on Mao Zedong's premise that China must do so, in order for the CCP to survive.

    Clif says:

    "What they basically were going to do is destroy the West from the inside out, by making them dependent on cheap Chinese labor, subverting...our royals and leaders, by making those people dependent on the output of the cheap Chinese labor, in the form of bribes and participation and so on, whereas the populace in the West would be induced to buy cheap Chinese goods...and subvert our culture that way and then, a deliberate attack in the form of subversion of the media and a "Long March" through the institutions.

    "So that was begun in the '60s and we're living in that world now. So all of the CCP's attack on the West – because it's not only the US – was begun during this period of time between 1958 to '68, when they solidified the Three Pathways plan.

    "And that plan, in the 1970s, '79, I think, led to this professor, who was an instructing, teaching professor at the People Liberation Army's version of the War College; he started writing a cohesive plan for implementation of one of these Three Pathways, which was the subversion of the culture, such that we would be unable to fight back...

    "So Mao was aware, in 1958 of whatever it was, in 1955 or '56 that caused the International Geophysical Year to happen, because that was not organic...

    "But that effort, in 1957-1958, in the Geophysical Year set a huge chain of events going that we're living through, right now, that culminated in the Climate Change extremists, out in Britain, the Climate Change, Global Warming efforts, all of...these lies that the Powers-that-Be have been spewing out about originated came from whatever occurred in '55 or '56 that got 'em so spooked...

    "[It] basically involved a lot of mapping of the planet, poking around in the bottom of the oceans, looking up in the skies and going to Antarctica...Mainly, they ignored the Arctic...

    "So all of these people in China were working on this plan to do something relative to saving China...and in '68, they start maneuvering, via the UN...to the point where, in '69 to '70, there were contacts, even though we were technically at war with them in the proxy state wars, in Vietnam and elsewhere, the Chinese were in contact with our government very extensively through these UN backchannels, leading up to the point where Nixon announced that he's going to go on over and have a face-to-face meeting with the ChiComs there.

    "He announced it in '71 and he went there in, like May of '72...It was already a done deal, it was only a PR thing. It was not any negotiations or any of that. In fact, they may have just been negotiating the details of some of these 700 factories, that they were having built.

    "So they knew, probably as early as '68, because of the cooperation between the US Deep State and the Chinese Deep State, they knew that they were going to offshore all of our jobs and gut out as much of the West as they could, in favor of China.

    "And so, they did it to the US, they did it to Australia, they did it to New Zealand, Britain, most of Western Europe, etc. have been hollowed-out for manufacturing by converting everything over to the Chinese, as a result of this effort, that I say had been planned for 10 years.

    "And then...this professor writes the book, 'Unrestricted Warfare' and he basically talks about killing off 200+ million people in the United States...

    "They were going to do it with a bioweapon, they were going to do it by having 40 years of destroying our culture ahead of time, so that we can't fight the bioweapon, because we'll be hamstrung by them having captured the power elite and all of our institutions, especially including the media, which will allow them to control our response to the bioweapon, so that nobody will ever know that the Chinese released it and they won't have to worry about it.

    THE IMPENDING ICE AGE & FOOD CRISIS

    "In the '90s, the CCP recognizes that their population levels will inevitably lead to a food crisis...This definitive food crisis is known to be connected to Solar System changes and a Grand Solar Minimum.

    "So, the CCP knew, in the '90s that it wasn't going to be Global Warming. They knew that there would come a time, when they were going to be facing, basically – as I've been saying since 2000 or so – an ice age.

    "They were preparing for the impact of the food crisis on their population. If we fast-forward to today, we have that food crisis now...

    "In the 1990s, the CCP realizes they're going to have to feed their populace or their populace rebels. [The would lose the "Mandate of Heaven" for those who know some Chinese history] And they also recognize that there was some unknown period of time that we were going to reach this Grand Solar Minimum and its effects.

    "And we're having those effects now."

    ***

    China has been losing incrementally more of their crops due to climate change from the impending ice age and it could lose as much as 50% of the harvest this year. If this loss translates into 50% of the country, or 700 million people not eating and who have nothing to lose by overturning the CCP, that could spell trouble for the latter.

    Independent of the above, the Petrodollar is crashing, the Chinese have been de-dollarizing their assets and Clif says they're in the middle of double-crossing the Power Elite, globally. They were only in league with them as a sucker play and they are reneging on all of their agreements.

    China's got a food problem, they need to take over the United States in order to turn it into a giant farm to ship food back to China. Clif says they made a deal with the Russians in the '70s, where China would get Newfoundland, New Brunswick, all of the US and the northern half of Mexico and Russia would get Alaska and the rest of Canada.

    "The idea is, if you read their literature, the Han Chinese propose a Chinese-only planet, with the exception of a few slave races. They seem to favor slave races out of Africa...but in the last few years, there seems to be a lot of souring on that.

    "The idea was they would keep their Asian, phenotypically-related cohorts around, as they decided which ones were good and which ones were bad. But they wanted to get rid of all the whites, totally and all the indigenous populations, except in Africa, they would keep Africa as a breeding ground for slaves, that's the idea of the Han Chinese.

    "So it would be a Chinese-only world. And in order to accomplish this, they had this particular plan [COVID]."

    ***

    Clif says it's a matter of 4 or 5 years before there's observable evidence of an ice age. As the result of the Grand Solar Minimum, the Sun's magnetosphere shrinks, which allows more cosmic rays to strike the Earth, which results in nucleation and high precipitation and potentially even the creation of "Star Water", such as some theorize to be the source of the rains that caused the Flood of Noah.

    These same cosmic rays proceed to the Earth's core, which Clif believes is not made of iron but of plasma and which becomes excited by cosmic radiation, causing the plasmic core and consequently the Earth to expand and of course, increased volcanic activity, such as we've been seeing.

    If there's good news in any of this, it's that we are safe from Chinese nukes and they don't want to set off an EMP to take out our electric grid, because they need our land to farm and they need to have everything working so that they can plug-and-play, before their people starve.

    "So, it's a real complex problem for the Chinese. They need...bare minimum, 200 million Americans gone...But they can't do an invasion, because we're all armed...They can't do any kind of damage that would risk damaging the nuke plants.

    "It's a very precarious kind of a takeover that they've got to engineer. They've got to have our society crash down just enough to the point where we're not a problem and they can come on in and take over the nuke plants and then wipe out the rest of us and they don't want us to collapse so much that all the nuke plants go ahead of that and pollute the whole area...

    THE BIOWEAPON

    "And so that brings us to their attack. So, they release COVID. That wasn't really the weapon. The spike protein in the weapon and...it's complicated, but our power elites handed over to the Chinese blackmail material and the Chinese took it and blackmailed them, got them involved in the whole plan.

    "They're captured, just as our media is captured, the courts are captured, Congress is captured, the electoral processes are captured and Biden is captured. All the sh*t's been captured by the Chinese, because they have actually taken over all of our medium-level global minions, in concert with the upper high-level global elites, the Illuminati, the real Deep State players.

    "But a lot of our Deep State players are now captured by the Chinese. They were f*ers and evil anyway, so it doesn't matter much; they're still doing their f*ery and their evilness but now they're doing it for the Chinese on the behalf of the Chinese, where before, they weren't, really so much.

    "So now, we've got the media captured, they've released their bioweapon, they've stolen our elections digitally and through other fraud, both nationally and regionally since 2004. They captured the Congress, the courts, the executives, the school systems, had us appoint incompetent military leaders, they've deliberately had us do foreign policy errors [like the Afghanistan withdrawal]...

    "They're going to have us do a lot more of it. This isn't done. This is all part of their plan. They've got us in a supply system failure that they're engineering now. There's no real reason for the supply system to fail, they're just engineering it all, because they've got to get us all out now, because of what's going on in their world relative to 2021 [crop losses].

    "And if there isn't a resolution, then they know for sure in 2022...there will be more floods, the Three Gorges Dam will be under greater pressure. It may go and even if it doesn't, they're going to have so much in the way of floods and damage, that they will harvest maybe one third of their crops...in 2022, which means they've got to take their food from somebody else, somewhere, some way and they're not willing to pay for it...

    THE SOC

    "The only way that this works is if nobody knows that the Chinese attacked us; the CCP deliberately released the bioweapon. That's why they work so hard, with Fauci and all the other f*ers, all the captured, blackmailed employees of the United States government. That's why the Chinese and the CCP and these f*ers work so hard to try and engineer that we would not understand that this bioweapon was deliberately released.

    "Because, if we can all point to China, then this plan does not work. It only works if we think it's...natural and organic and that our power elites are just f*ing-up. It only works if we just think Biden is so stupid and dementia-ridden that he's doing this for our health, because he believes that, as opposed to deliberately crashing our healthcare system so that many more people will die in the United States in this coming year...

    "It only works if we don't know that the Chinese have told Trudeau to stop Canadians from going over the border, so that they can kill them in Canada. See, they've got to isolate all the countries. You can't know what's going on in all the other countries. It pisses them off that we know what's going on, to some degree in Australia, just as it pisses them off that other countries are now forming these common bonds of suffering under the CCP attack on the whole f*ing planet...

    "And all of this sh*t's going to get worse but I'm of the opinion that none of this stuff's going to work out in the fashion that the elite and the CCP want and that's because there was, in 1963, in the Kennedy Assassination, we have this Self-Organizing Collective (SOC) that formed."

    The SOC put Trump in place and stopped them from stealing the Election, the way they had since 2004, when they stole county elections and installed some 30,000 assets at those levels. They stole the 2008 elections to get Obama in, who was supposed to do away with the 2nd Amendment, with the endless false flags he ran.

    The CCP will not invade as long as the US populace has weapons. The only way they can come is under the guise of UN troops, which would only work for so long before we began to shoot them.

    They had planned for us to go to war with North Korea and have North Korea nominally win the war, according to our captured press, who would show our aircraft carriers sinking and tell us that we lost and so we'd have to surrender the Constitution, which gets rid of the Second Amendment and then the Chinese would come in and take over.

    Hillary was supposed to do all of this during her 8 years and they're behind schedule and about to starve. Clif thinks the CCP is losing. The coronavirus was not as deadly as they'd hoped because we have higher vitamin D levels than they thought. The failure of the coronavirus is why they launched the vaxxine.

    The people who are dying of COVID have vitamin D levels under 20 ng/ml. If you have levels over 47 ng/ml, you are immune to the coronavirus. No virus is any stronger or communicable than any other against a healthy immune system.

    The Mainstream Media is the only thing that's really keeping this going and they are dying and are about to experience complete narrative collapse before the end of this month.

    "When that happens, everything changes...The SOC can get a lot more stuff done, because they're not constantly running into this battle in the information wars. They'll be able to flood the place with information and change minds and things change very rapidly, because they won't have a lot of pushback to the information they'll be providing to us. At that point, things will change very rapidly...

    "By the time we get into January, we will have confirmation that the SOC has, indeed engineered all of this stuff, to the point where we have our first ability to take a deep breath, relax [and say] OK, we're going to win this. It's going to be ugly but we're going to survive and we'll be able to pull out of this...

    "We have crop failures in the US but we don't have to have crop failures. We can seize lands from Bill Gates...If they seize his assets because he's in league with all of these f*ers and he's a non-military combatant...then, they take his assets and we have all this farmland restored and we put it back to work."

    Clif thinks our Trump card might have to do with reversed alien technology. We shall see...

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/flux-woo/
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    Related to the above, a reminder

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    • China’s Nightmarish New Bio Weapon Targets Race and Ethnicity:



    I red about this possibility long time ago, since the mid 1990s Israeli MOSSAD & South Africa were involved in wanting to have that kind of bio-weapon ... we had an article about that in our Exposure Magazine (do not know which one) ... that was waaaay back.
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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    "He announced it in '71 and he went there in, like May of '72...It was already a done deal, it was only a PR thing. It was not any negotiations or any of that. In fact, they may have just been negotiating the details of some of these 700 factories, that they were having built.

    "So they knew, probably as early as '68, because of the cooperation between the US Deep State and the Chinese Deep State, they knew that they were going to offshore all of our jobs and gut out as much of the West as they could, in favor of China.

    " And so, they did it to the US, they did it to Australia, they did it to New Zealand, Britain, most of Western Europe, etc. have been hollowed-out for manufacturing by converting everything over to the Chinese, as a result of this effort, that I say had been planned for 10 years.
    I had a piece of the puzzle and a similiar theory, and it fits well in Cliff's theory also.

    DLP Calls for Review of the 1975 Lima Declaration

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    " In 1975, with no public consultation, the ALP (Australian Labour Party) government of Gough Whitlam signed Australia up to the United Nations inspired Lima Declaration which required Australia to reduce its manufacturing capabilities by around 30% and to commit to import that amount from other preferred countries.

    The Declaration also mandates that we import as much primary produce as we can consume; such as fruit, meat etc...

    What has transpired in the years since the ALP signed the Lima Declaration is that the 30% target has in fact exploded, with current estimates putting it at more than 90%.

    Since the Lima Declaration was introduced, countless thousands of Australian businesses have either moved offshore or gone to the wall due to their inability to compete with cheap products being produced overseas and dumped on our markets.

    This has cost Australia an unimaginable number of job losses resulting in billions in welfare payments and hundreds of billions more in lost income for Australian businesses and the economy. "

    Link: https://dlp.org.au/dlp-calls-for-rev...xPZCm0Z9qKEjz4

    P.S. How many other Lima Declaration are out their by this other names ?
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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Not only is China's military flying over Taiwan these days, but they recently sent a missile right over Sydney, Australia, for all the natives to see:
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...dney-australia

    The bad relations between China and Australia took an unbelievable turn this week when China fired a " " nuclear-capable missile, directly over Sydney, Australia.
    Maybe that Long March 3B can launch a nuclear payload. But just because China launched a Long March 3B and it's trajectory was over australia it doesn't mean it is a warning, that is a Long March 3B platform is for a satellites, nothing about it says military.

    On the other hand if the missile launched was from one of these platforms I would take that very seriously.



    AUKUS

    You might not know this but recently it was announced the AUKUS treaty between Australia, UK and USA, in which Australia will have access to nuclear submarines.

    Reading between the lines on this one it was a show of unity and deep trust between these nations, and to an extent the other minor nations in the south pacific.

    Putting China on notice that US & UK has Australia's back. So don't go screwy louie on us China.

    Furthermore allies in our region have been regularly conducting " rights of passage exercises ".

    Basically pushing back against China's bullying.

    Letting China know that we the allies are not going to be intimidated by China, and we will continue to sail the international waters of the South China sea.

    In a further show of unity and strength these " rights of passage exercises " would include up to say 20 ships from allies such as Singapore, Indonesia, Australia, South Korea, Japan, India, UK & USA.



    In regards to Russia I think Putin values his friendship with the USA and POTUS Trump, furthermore russia has left its communism firmly in it's past, they will not be supporting China on this.

    So China the bully in the school yard has got no friends, not even North Korea.

    But then in the minds of people the fear factor comes into play, people are overwhelmed by the shear size of the chinese military.
    Because China has the word's largest navy and 2.5 million soldiers and say a 1,000 fighter aircraft with such vast numbers they could seemingly easily defeat the allies.

    Very impressive figures on paper, military parade or for a state run propaganda piece, but what about the logistics to mobilise and maintain such a huge military during war time.

    Do you remember what happened to the germans during the " battle of bulge " in 1944, they failed because they ran out of fuel.

    With that in mind, where is China going to get the fuel to run their war machine in a conflict in 2021 that is diesel, avgas, lubricants, steal, copper, gold, silver, coal, ammunition.

    If country's like Australia don't supply China with raw material, they might look to Russia or africa.

    But would Russia, Africa or the Middle East want to get involved with China on a war against western nations and risk putting the western nations offside is the question.

    Also china's supply lines could be blockaded by the allies physically or by diplomatic pressure.

    So really if china wants a war to divert the attention of the chinese people away from their failing economy (that is due to the overreach by evergrande and the default on payments). It will probably be a very limited war against Taiwan.

    And regardless of the lack of diplomatic recognition of Taiwan as it's own country. " The allies will protect Taiwan. "

    An example, only in the last few days Japan has mobilised 100,000 soldiers in readiness to support Taiwan.

    The allies have Taiwan's back, and Creepy Joe doesn't control the US military.

    (Off topic and in short. Why did the allies pull out of afghanistan? Because they are not going to protect the poppy fields anymore. Poppys are the basis of the big pharma opioid based model. Big phrama opioid based model is now a vaccine based model. The vaccine based model is and will fail as you can see is happening with the "jab" and all the related deaths and side effects, the result no more big pharma to be sued out of existence).

    Second last point China has been conducting daily fly overs with bomber and fighter jets.

    Did you take a good look at the equipment they are flying over Taiwan, they are 1960's era jets Mig-21's and Tupolev Tu-16.

    China has 888 jet fighters of that 388 are Mig-21, that is 44% of the fighter aircraft are obsolete 1960's technology.

    Their 120 bombers are all Tupolev Tu-16 yet again obsolete 1960's technology.

    China is notorious for stealing technology from western countries in an effort to maintain technological pace with the western nations so they do not have the ability to build aircraft which are on par with what the allies have, that is the F-35 or F-22 or B-2 etc.

    One further point on these chinese fighter aircraft would only have access to their onboard munitions and radar guidance to target by their radar or that of a radar surveillance aircraft or ground station and would need to engage or have another aircraft engage that target.

    With the allied aircraft such as the most common 5th generation aircraft the F-35 not only is it stealth therefore invisible to chinese surveillance.

    The F-35 is part of a integrated 5G system with all allied assets whether it be ships, tanks, helicopters all collectively building a complete picture of the battlefield and sharing that information on the position of enemy assets between themself and then using the most appropriate means to take out that enemy asset.

    So for example a F-35 seeing a low flying chinese mig-21 could direct a ground stationed anti aircraft battery to launch missiles against that mig-21.
    So the advantage is that F-35 in this example will therefore save time, fuel and munitions and remain on station awaiting another enemy aircraft to enter the area.

    So they may have a large airforce but it can not compete and win against the allies? Most of their equipment is obsolete and their most advanced equipment are a bad copy of western designs.

    In current naval warfare the means to project power into a region is via the aircraft carrier and I would also say nuclear submarine.

    So lastly comparing china to the allies. China has two aircraft carriers each carry about 40 aircraft.

    In comparison the US has 11 aircraft carries each with a complement of up to 90 aircraft.
    Also japan is converting two ships to aircraft carriers and south korea is building two new aircraft carriers.
    Australia has two ships capable of being converted to fly aircraft.
    UK has two aircraft carriers with up to 40 aircraft each.

    Submarines china has 19 nuclear submarines. US has 50 nuclear submarines. UK has 7 nuclear submarines , and Australia is looking at acquiring up to 12 nuclear submarines.

    In summary, China is the new bully on the block trying to throw their weight around they may try to have a limited war with Taiwan, but I think it would fail miserably.

    They are a paper tiger with alot of communistic inspired bravado.

    Alluding to the article above in my previous post why would China have to spend 40 years weakening western nations from within if they are so assured of victory with their mighty chinese military.

    The fact is their not, it just alot of blaster from the bully on block, hoping that the big boys will not realise how weak and incapable they really are.

    So fear or fear not china up to you, but I believe it is more MSM fear mongering than fact.
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    Cold War 2.0 (Big profits for military Industrial Complex)

    I would firstly argue that we are in world war 3 and have been in a state of war with china since the 1970's it has been a economic, cultural and political war and more recently a cyber war.

    Interesting presentation about China's threat to Australia and the new cold war, (or business model for the military industrial complex), likely resulting in high tension and stalemate between US/Pacific Nations and china. This situation will be the justification for larger military budgets in the future.

    Prepare for Armageddon: China's warning to the world | 60 Minutes Australia

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    Do you remember what happened to the germans during the " battle of bulge " in 1944, they failed because they ran out of fuel.

    With that in mind, where is China going to get the fuel to run their war machine in a conflict in 2021 that is diesel, avgas, lubricants, steal, copper, gold, silver, coal, ammunition.

    If country's like Australia don't supply China with raw material, they might look to Russia or africa.

    But would Russia, Africa or the Middle East want to get involved with China on a war against western nations and risk putting the western nations offside is the question.

    Also china's supply lines could be blockaded by the allies physically or by diplomatic pressure.
    Below is an example of china's dependence on foreign imports, in this example Australian coal.

    Quote: " It comes as the lack of baseload power has forced Beijing to buy and use almost 3 million tonnes of Australian coal last month. "



    Sky News Australia
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    Social commentator Prue MacSween says it is time to "diversify" from China.

    It comes as the lack of baseload power has forced Beijing to buy and use almost 3 million tonnes of Australian coal last month.

    “They’re so two faced and they wouldn’t give a stuff what we think,” Ms MacSween told Sky News host Chris Smith.

    “We need to stop, we’ve got to learn this lesson that China is dictating to us, it’s time we diversify and tell them to go.”
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    I received this from an American friend, a businessman who's been living in China for many years and is widely connected. The words are his own.

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    What to Expect

    The follow will lay out what is to be expected, within the next year and till 2028, with specific regard for 2025.

    What has occurred as a result of the https://www.scmp.com/topics/beidaihe-meeting is that the 4 main and 50 underlying families of China’s Red Elite came down on Xi to complain that their economy was in severe jeopardy.

    Xi retaliated within his skill set and set out to cleanse and purify the country of these groups and families.

    Xi had stopped formal schooling after 6 years of grade school. His father was imprisoned and his mother had a half dozen children, to which Xi was turned out on the street to learn his formidable education for the following 10 years as the country aged in a civil war.

    He learned over time that in communism only power mattered, not school, not family, and not law. Only power was the zeal to conquest and control.

    Xi now controls in largest part the military and police state. The Red Elite made of the Jung family, the Red Scarf children, and the Red Guard revolutionaries, were all compelling as a road map to success after Xi fell back to his street education to ‘fix’ these peoples wholesale.

    Xi is now consolidating his power and reintroducing a Mao ideology. He plans to hermit China and overthrow Taiwan, first by weaponry. Biowarfare to weaken global power will possibly be used to specifically gene attack Taiwan into a countrywide 'flu' before sealing the vacuum of power and self-isolate China from the world.

    This will not be stopped by sanctions of any kind. This will not be arrested by freezing China’s bond coffers held by the US treasury, or any other such methods. It is very likely Russia as well as North Korea and Afghanistan will be the natural resource bridges, and the One Belt One Road will cement needed further resources.

    The supply chains will be severed, and reconnected to other South East Asian nations as well near shoring such as Mexico and Turkey for current meaningful amounts of economic requirements for North American and European interests. Very likely, most of the ‘RED', aka Retired Exceptionally Dangerous, will be defunded at best. Take a Bruce Willis movie as a counter narrative of what to expect... if not Stallone.

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    In response to Bill's post immediately above, a form of confirmation by Cliff High on telegram 29 December 2021.
    Link: https://t.me/s/scifiworld0

    Referring to this article from ZeroHedge: China Panic-Hoards Half Of World's Grain Supply Amid Threats Of Collapse
    Link: https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditie...lobal-collapse

    Cliff's commentary, below Quote

    " This is the start of the CCP's version of Plan B...now that their biowarfare attack on the USA has NOT moved into the invasion level.
    Remember, the CCP needs foods to feed ChinaPop or ChinaPop will eat the CCP. Actually eat them.
    The CCP currency cannot pay for food & oppression of Chinese people at same time so they are trapped between their own system & rising food prices as food supplies start to dwindle due to ICE AGE conditions manifesting.
    Now do you see it? Why they had to subvert the globalists & our own govt & attack now. "

    "Throughout history food shortages have triggered popular unrest" . And I will add " revolution ".
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