+ Reply to Thread
Page 8 of 8 FirstFirst 1 8
Results 141 to 155 of 155

Thread: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

  1. Link to Post #141
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    34,268
    Thanks
    208,939
    Thanked 457,517 times in 32,788 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Folks, for anyone following this arguably pretty strange story, I'd highly recommend this video. They've done a bunch of Baldwin features before, but this is the one that really made me think.

    It's a new channel that started in August. Mark Groubert is clearly the five star researcher (and wholly entertaining to listen to), and he could really have done the entire thing on his own except that he needs someone to talk to on camera.

    As my own teaser for this video, I learned a whole bunch of things that I never knew before and which I'd suggest are impossible to say aren't fascinating — and in one or two cases, almost unbelievable. Tom Clancy could have scripted it. (Ooops... that was a spoiler. ) Enjoy!

    (...and what's the hammer and sickle doing in the video thumbnail below...??)


  2. The Following 28 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    Adi (1st January 2022), Alan (1st January 2022), Anna70 (20th August 2022), Arcturian108 (21st August 2022), BAKONI (1st January 2022), boja (1st January 2022), Brigantia (1st January 2022), BushPilot (1st January 2022), Chip (2nd January 2022), Gwin Ru (1st January 2022), Heart to heart (5th February 2022), holcaul (2nd January 2022), Hym (1st January 2022), Inversion (2nd January 2022), iota (1st January 2022), Ivanhoe (1st January 2022), Johnnycomelately (20th August 2022), Matthew (1st January 2022), meeradas (3rd January 2022), Mike (1st January 2022), Ratszinger (2nd January 2022), ronny (2nd January 2022), safara (3rd January 2022), TargeT (1st January 2022), ulli (2nd January 2022), Vangelo (1st January 2022), Violet3 (2nd January 2022), Yoda (1st January 2022)

  3. Link to Post #142
    Avalon Member holcaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    17th April 2010
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    41
    Posts
    219
    Thanks
    1,345
    Thanked 1,700 times in 200 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Folks, for anyone following this arguably pretty strange story, I'd highly recommend this video. They've done a bunch of Baldwin features before, but this is the one that really made me think.

    It's a new channel that started in August. Mark Groubert is clearly the five star researcher (and wholly entertaining to listen to), and he could really have done the entire thing on his own except that he needs someone to talk to on camera.

    As my own teaser for this video, I learned a whole bunch of things that I never knew before and which I'd suggest are impossible to say aren't fascinating — and in one or two cases, almost unbelievable. Tom Clancy could have scripted it. (Ooops... that was a spoiler. ) Enjoy!

    (...and what's the hammer and sickle doing in the video thumbnail below...??)

    Thank you Bill. This is Daniel Liszt level presentation. Very fascinating.

  4. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to holcaul For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), Bill Ryan (2nd January 2022), BushPilot (2nd January 2022), Heart to heart (5th February 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Jambo (5th February 2022), Vangelo (2nd January 2022), wondering (2nd January 2022)

  5. Link to Post #143
    Avalon Member Hym's Avatar
    Join Date
    27th June 2011
    Location
    Eastern Pacific
    Posts
    937
    Thanks
    28,538
    Thanked 7,033 times in 910 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Differ I must.
    Comparing a career long cee-Eye-aye insider, beginning with his interning summers in college at Lang Lee, VA, to Daniel Liszt's independence and voluminous studies and intellect...his directness and honesty, Well, that just stretches credulity way past the breaking point.

    There's a big difference between real investigative reporting, not bound by intel-restricted narratives, even as colorful, AS ENTERTAINING, as they may be, and a chicken soup for the soul, cheat-sheet script writer.

    Goober reminded me why entertainment is so boring. They'll tell you a small portion of the F'n obvious truth, but only 20, 30, 40, 50 years later with added, spicy tidbits they've heard from insiders to get your dumbed down attention. Never in the present. Never standing with those real ones risking it all for the truth. Yeah, entertainment....

    The truth told after being held back that long becomes a crime in itself. When JFK said he would break up that agency and spread it to the ends of the earth, that was telling the truth. You're taking the narrative, now somehow magically moral, of someone whose career is intimately connected to that same, deeply evil agency and not questioning it ? Life and looking at the truth is a choice.

    Truth and lazy invention, that neanderthal, wrinkled narrative. Candy sprinkles on top of horse shyte.
    Hey Marky, it's finally okay now to go after this guy and that idea,
    But REMEMBER, you're dead if you reveal any of the real facts that the card carrying ass wipes, I mean 'agents', have told you to keep secret.

    So we are to believe that he knows nothing of the film business in the state, but how could he also still be an actor and a producer with his own production company and, with his insiders contacts not know that?. Hmmm...who could have funded all of that action? I call big time b.s..

    Geez, his description of the shooting scene is entirely off. Research? Didn't hear any there. I'm not even curious about why he pretends not to know the condition of film workers in the state, when anyone in the film union or anyone from any of the studios working in the state, and any producer could tell him EXACTLY how messed up and manipulated it is. I know why he either doesn't know and should, or why he claims he doesn't know.

    Now think what Daniel Liszt would do BEFORE he talked at length about the condition on that set during that time. We know Daniel enough to know he'd go deep into all aspects on that set, in the state, and the very wide gulf between those working a set and those using and abusing the workers on that set. Like all experiences that end up in tragedy, there is a history there, all which may be beyond MG's ability to comprehend. It all may be too banal for him.

    Goober presenting the Mayflower Baldwin history in connection to Russia, the USSR, etc. and then comparing it to gross negligence on a cheap $7Mil. production, set with overstressed and underpaid workers, is the mark of a researcher stuck in his own narrative, enchanted with his own experiences, so much so that a very traumatic occurrence in the lives of dedicated professionals is beyond his understanding, maybe even his imagination.

    Reminds me of the few slimy producers I've met, calling out other slimy producers who aren't quite Yale 'quality', you know that Bushy, rear end sniffing type, that 'quality'. Write another book, and make it either all fiction or all truth....or is that too much of a stretch for someone whose many careers are all about stretching the truth. And he criticizes steve pieczenik?...That is the kettle calling the kettle black, they are so alike.
    Last edited by Hym; 2nd January 2022 at 06:19.

  6. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Hym For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), Bill Ryan (2nd January 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Johnnycomelately (20th August 2022), Nasu (27th September 2022), onawah (20th August 2022), Ratszinger (2nd January 2022), wondering (2nd January 2022)

  7. Link to Post #144
    United States On Sabbatical
    Join Date
    30th June 2011
    Location
    The Seat of Corruption
    Age
    44
    Posts
    9,177
    Thanks
    25,610
    Thanked 53,658 times in 8,694 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    not getting the true story as of yet, and perhaps we never will.
    welcome to always.... haha
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

  8. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to TargeT For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), Bill Ryan (2nd January 2022), holcaul (2nd January 2022), Hym (2nd January 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Jambo (5th February 2022), justntime2learn (5th February 2022), Nasu (27th September 2022), Snoweagle (28th August 2022), The Moss Trooper (5th February 2022), wondering (2nd January 2022)

  9. Link to Post #145
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    34,268
    Thanks
    208,939
    Thanked 457,517 times in 32,788 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    While this may seem trivial in the context of major global events impacting millions of people, this new video may be fascinating to anyone who's familiar with all the details and characters in the very complicated Baldwin/Halyna Hutchins 'Rust' shooting incident. (And there are a lot of both! But if you're unfamiliar, this may all make little sense.)

    The video is a combo podcast between a lawyer and a tarot card reader. (Yes, you read that right. ) The lawyer is very familiar with everything, but the tarot card reader doesn't really know a lot about the people involved and has to have it all explained to him.

    However, he's clearly very quick and bright — and, though I've never really given much credence to tarot readings myself, I was more than impressed with this.

    With almost no front-loading, he seems to nail much of the cloudy backstory very credibly, and presented explanations about a whole bunch of things that up till now are still open questions. Enjoy.

    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 5th February 2022 at 14:19.

  10. The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), cursichella1 (6th February 2022), Ewan (6th February 2022), Gwin Ru (5th February 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Matthew (5th February 2022), melissanederland (5th February 2022), selinam (5th February 2022), Snoweagle (28th August 2022), The Moss Trooper (5th February 2022), Vangelo (6th February 2022), Violet3 (6th February 2022), Yoda (5th February 2022)

  11. Link to Post #146
    Avalon Member The Moss Trooper's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st May 2017
    Posts
    677
    Thanks
    959
    Thanked 4,838 times in 650 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    I apologise in advance, off-topic I know, but relevant to Bill's post above.

    At my lowest ebb, without a shadow-of-a-doubt....... Suicidaly so, a female friend of mine came and picked me up to go for a "coffee". We drove out into the countryside and arrived at an old farm with a stable block. In she took me, and sat at a very old and battered oak table was this, ........... character. A guy in his late 50's I'd say, plump, ruddy-cheeked and replete with full "country attire"..........., and fittingly so, very worn. There was even a pheasant's feather sticking out of the brim of his hat.

    Almost a cliché, if ever I saw one.

    What wasn't clichéd was what he did next. He invited me to sit opposite him and produced a tarot deck. He asked me to think of an animal that I related to, but to not say what. He then started to produce cards onto the table, explaining what they meant and........... To my utter amazement, stated to me exactly-what-I-was-going-through, the reason's why and the effect this was having upon myself & those closest to me.

    It blew me away.

    I've never had a session since, in fact, to be absolutely honest, I haven't given it a lot of thought since.................. I'm actually getting a little emotional now recalling it.

    Some people just have a conduit to the "other", and we would do well to recognise this when in their midst.


    Last edited by The Moss Trooper; 5th February 2022 at 19:13.
    May your Spirit stay unbroken, may you not be deterred.

  12. The Following 16 Users Say Thank You to The Moss Trooper For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), Bill Ryan (26th April 2022), cursichella1 (6th February 2022), Ewan (6th February 2022), happyuk (6th February 2022), Ivanhoe (20th August 2022), Matthew (5th February 2022), meat suit (6th February 2022), onawah (5th February 2022), onevoice (5th February 2022), selinam (20th August 2022), Snoweagle (28th August 2022), Sue (Ayt) (5th February 2022), Vangelo (6th February 2022), Violet3 (6th February 2022), wondering (5th February 2022)

  13. Link to Post #147
    Netherlands Avalon Member ExomatrixTV's Avatar
    Join Date
    23rd September 2011
    Location
    Netherlands
    Language
    English, Dutch, German, Limburgs
    Age
    57
    Posts
    22,711
    Thanks
    30,808
    Thanked 125,635 times in 20,811 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

  14. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to ExomatrixTV For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), Bill Ryan (26th April 2022), Inversion (26th April 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Johnnycomelately (26th April 2022), Kryztian (26th April 2022), Nasu (27th September 2022), Snoweagle (28th August 2022)

  15. Link to Post #148
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    34,268
    Thanks
    208,939
    Thanked 457,517 times in 32,788 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    For anyone who might be interested (and many reading this might not be! ), the update after many months of investigation — (why so long??) — is that the FBI has now made a formal statement that the gun, which was and is in perfect working order, could not have been discharged without Alec Baldwin pulling the trigger.
    (My own comment, for what little it may be worth! It seems to me that Alec Baldwin didn't actually pull the trigger, as he has always claimed, but indeed held the gun with the trigger very slightly depressed — just enough to release the hammer after it was fully cocked. And while I personally regard Baldwin as the highest order of jerk, he may very well not have known that he'd done that.)
    Here's a very concise 4 minute Fox News interview with criminal defense attorney Nicole DeBorde.

    These are the possible outcomes of the 'Rust' shooting investigation


  16. The Following 14 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), avid (20th August 2022), ClearWater (20th August 2022), happyuk (20th August 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Ivanhoe (20th August 2022), Johnnycomelately (20th August 2022), Kryztian (20th August 2022), kudzy (21st August 2022), mountain_jim (20th August 2022), Nasu (27th September 2022), Ratszinger (20th August 2022), Snoweagle (28th August 2022), Yoda (20th August 2022)

  17. Link to Post #149
    United States Avalon Member Ratszinger's Avatar
    Join Date
    9th September 2018
    Posts
    1,452
    Thanks
    2,030
    Thanked 9,273 times in 1,398 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Yeah it isn't lookin' too good for him is it? Involuntary manslaughter is still a crime even if he didn't mean to do it. I mean if he hit her with his car it's an open and shut case. Doubt it would have taken months but I agree Bill. He either pulled the hammer back or he pulled the trigger. What still bothers me is how and why real firerarms were being used on the set instead of one of the man very real looking prop guns! Surely whoever authorized those real firearms to be there has to share some responsibility here IMO. Maybe that falls on Alec's shoulders as well tho. I really don't know.
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

  18. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Ratszinger For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), Bill Ryan (20th August 2022), Ivanhoe (20th August 2022), Johnnycomelately (20th August 2022), Nasu (27th September 2022)

  19. Link to Post #150
    Avalon Member Kryztian's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th September 2012
    Posts
    3,487
    Thanks
    23,704
    Thanked 29,413 times in 3,425 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    I was driving in my car listening to classical music on the radio. It was a broadcast of the New York Philharmonic, and guess who was the host/announcer: Alec Baldwin. This is a job he has since 2009.

    The radio station was part of New York Public Radio. In 2017, when the MeTOO movement was at it's height, two radio show hosts there, Jonathan Schwartz and Leonard Lopate were investigatied for "allegations of inappropriate conduct" at the workplace. They were immediately suspended from their jobs while an investigation took place, and eventually were both fired.

    I don't know exactly what the "inappropriate conduct" actually was, but my first guess some form of sexual harassment. While this may have been awful for the people who had to work in those conditions, it is several degrees less awful than "murder" and "manslaughter". Baldwin does have a great narrating voice, but now, every time he talks about a Tchaikovsky symphony, all I can think is that this is the voice of someone who killed someone.

    It's amazing how Whoopi Goldberg can get cancelled for the slip of the tongue that really didn't offend anyone, but not Baldwin, when his slip of his finger ended someone's life.
    Last edited by Kryztian; 20th August 2022 at 18:11.

  20. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Kryztian For This Post:

    Anna70 (20th August 2022), Bill Ryan (20th August 2022), ClearWater (21st August 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Johnnycomelately (20th August 2022), mountain_jim (20th August 2022), Nasu (27th September 2022), Ratszinger (20th August 2022), thepainterdoug (21st August 2022)

  21. Link to Post #151
    Canada Avalon Member TomKat's Avatar
    Join Date
    23rd September 2017
    Posts
    2,616
    Thanks
    2,694
    Thanked 13,330 times in 2,365 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Baldwin is a Democrat. 95% of Democrats got the mrna jab. Maybe it was another "vaxident?"
    Last edited by TomKat; 21st August 2022 at 18:00.

  22. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to TomKat For This Post:

    Arcturian108 (21st August 2022), iota (27th August 2022), Ratszinger (20th August 2022)

  23. Link to Post #152
    United States Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    8th May 2017
    Location
    TX, USA
    Language
    English
    Posts
    2,119
    Thanks
    7,405
    Thanked 14,546 times in 2,065 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Baldwin is a Democrat. 95% of Democrats got the mrna jab. Maybe it was another "vaxident?"
    this should be a meme

    We should defend our way of life
    to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed,

    so that any adversary
    will never make such an attempt in the future.

  24. Link to Post #153
    United States Avalon Member
    Join Date
    19th March 2016
    Posts
    1,734
    Thanks
    22,373
    Thanked 9,386 times in 1,629 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    The New Mexico prosecutors indicate Alec could be charged for the death of Halyna Hutchins on the set of the movie Rust. Her family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against him. He put his estate in the Hamptons on the market for 29 million in an apparent effort to shield his assets.

    dailymail
    Quote Sep 26, 2022

  25. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Inversion For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (27th September 2022), Ewan (23rd April 2023), Johnnycomelately (28th September 2022), Kryztian (27th September 2022), mountain_jim (27th September 2022)

  26. Link to Post #154
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    34,268
    Thanks
    208,939
    Thanked 457,517 times in 32,788 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Well, this was unexpected.

    Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter over 'Rust' shooting


  27. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    ClearWater (20th January 2023), DNA (22nd April 2023), Ewan (23rd April 2023), gini (20th January 2023), Heart to heart (19th January 2023), Inversion (19th January 2023), Johnnycomelately (22nd April 2023), Matthew (19th January 2023), Miller (19th January 2023), mountain_jim (19th January 2023), wondering (20th January 2023)

  28. Link to Post #155
    South Africa Avalon Member arwen's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th December 2014
    Posts
    655
    Thanks
    4,444
    Thanked 6,493 times in 653 posts

    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Yep, no surprises here:

    Criminal charges against Alec Baldwin dropped in fatal ‘Rust’ shooting



    Quote Criminal charges against Alec Baldwin over the fatal shooting on the set of his movie “Rust” have been dropped, according to his lawyers.

    Baldwin, 65, was charged with involuntary manslaughter over the Oct. 21, 2021 shooting of 42-year-old cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the New Mexico set of the Western movie, after a prop pistol he was using for a scene unexpectedly fired a real bullet.

    He pleaded not guilty to the charges, brought by the Santa Fe district attorney.

    In a statement to The Post, Baldwin’s lawyers Luke Nikas and Alex Spiro said, “We are pleased with the decision to dismiss the case against Alec Baldwin and we encourage a proper investigation into the facts and circumstances of this tragic accident.”

    “Rust” director Joel Souza was standing behind Hutchins viewing a camera angle as Baldwin rehearsed a scene in which he was to draw his revolver and point it at the camera when the tragic incident occurred.
    And a day later, he is back on set, picking up where he left off:

    Alec Baldwin seen in costume on new ‘Rust’ set for first time



    Quote Alec Baldwin was spotted in his Wild West wardrobe for the first time on the new “Rust” set after he fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins while rehearsing a scene for the same film in 2021.

    Production for the indie-Western was halted after the on-set shooting in New Mexico on Oct. 21, 2021, but resumed this week near the Yellowstone Film Ranch in Paradise Valley, Montana.

    A gray-bearded Baldwin was seen back in character as rugged gunslinger Harland Rust, wearing high leather boots, gray pants and shirt with a button-up black vest and a bandana around his neck.

  29. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to arwen For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (22nd April 2023), DNA (22nd April 2023), Ewan (23rd April 2023), Johnnycomelately (22nd April 2023), wondering (22nd April 2023)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 8 of 8 FirstFirst 1 8

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts