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    Default Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Report: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'





    NEWSMAX reports:

    "One person died, and a second person was injured in an accidental shooting Thursday on the set of "Rust," a feature starring Alec Baldwin that was filming in New Mexico.

    Fox News reported Baldwin fired the shot that killed his director of photography Halyna Hutchins, 42, and hit director Joel Souza, 42.

    A 42-year-old woman died from the incident, which involved a prop firearm, the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. A 42-year-old man was receiving emergency care.

    "The Santa Fe County sheriff's office confirms that two individuals were shot during filming of a scene on the set of the movie western 'Rust,'" the office said in a statement. "According to investigators it appears that the scene being filmed involved the use of a prop firearm when it was discharged. Detectives are investigating how and what type of projectile was discharged."

    The incident was reported at 1:50 p.m. M.T. at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular filming location.

    The woman was transported by helicopter to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died, the office stated. The man was taken by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe.

    The Sheriff's office did not identify the woman, saying that next of kin had not been notified.

    Joel Souza is writing and directing the Western, which also stars Frances Fisher, Jensen Ackles, Brady Noon and Travis Fimmel. Albuquerque station KOB4's news helicopter photographed the incident, showing an old church set blocked off, and reported that set security confirmed it is on lockdown.

    Baldwin is a co-producer on the film and plays infamous outlaw Rust, whose 13-year-old grandson is convicted of an accidental murder. Ackles plays a U.S. Marshal and Fimmel plays a bounty hunter who are on the pair's tail as Rust tries to break his grandson out of prison. An unexpected bond forms between the outlaw and his estranged grandson as they go on the run."

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

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    Fox News reported Baldwin fired the shot that killed his director of photography Halyna Hutchins, 42, and hit director Joel Souza, 42.

    A 42-year-old woman died from the incident, which involved a prop firearm, the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. A 42-year-old man was receiving emergency care.
    This feels like one of 'those' stories. Bit like the Gabby Petito one. We have some eerie foreshadowing from Alec Baldwin:



    Then a load of coincidental numerology:
    https://gematriaeffect.news/alec-bal...tober-21-2021/
    http://themindlessfreaks.blogspot.co...from-prop.html

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Yesterday Baldwin tweeted a single curious word: "What?" - in response to nothing apparent. His first tweet for months.

    A reply to instructions, comms? I call possible f*ckery here.

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'



    This is the 24 year old BLONDE responsible for
    PROP GUNS on Alec Baldwin Movie


    Dailymail has revealed that 24 y/o Hanna Gutierrez was the armourer responsible for the guns on set after she was brought in when the local union walked off set and she was there to replace the original prop master.

    She was the one who laid out 3 prop guns on a cart out on filming location and then assistant director, Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it to Baldwin unaware it had live rounds.

    Halls then shouted "Cold Gun" before handing it to Baldwin using the phrase to signal the cast and crew the gun was safe to fire on the scene and seconds later, Baldwin pulled the trigger that caused the fatal accident..


    Hanna is the daughter of legendary armourer and firearms consultant Thell Reed who worked from a young age and she did not respond to dailymail for comment

    The gun that was used was a Colt Pistol that was handed to Baldwin on the set of Rust and was taking part in a MOCK GUNFIGHT inside the building of the Bonzana Ranch

    Jensen Ackles, Swen Temmel and Travis Hammer were also on scene as the pistol was one of several weapons on set at the time


    The crew on Alec Baldwin's movie set were already concerned about gun safety before he accidentally killed cinemtographer Halyna Hutchins and injured the director, Joel Souza when the prop master in charge of the firearm that killed her had just JOINED the crew after the union walked out during the IATSE dispute!!



    A search warrant said the assistant director handed Baldwin a gun loaded with live rounds and indicated it was "safe" to use in the moments before the fatal shooting

    The warrant said a single bullet struck her chest and then the director on his shoulder as he was standing behind her suggesting it travelled all the way through her body....

    Unionized workers walked off the set hours before the fatal shooting after they plained about shoddy conditions and another safety incient days earlier involving 2 misfires of a prop weapon

    Yet, the unnamed prop master who oversaw the gun used in the fatal shooting was a nonunion worker who was just "brought in on the fly" to replace the workers who walked off set

    Unionized employees complained they stayed overnight in Albuquerque, an hour's drive from the set and not Santa Fe because they wouldn't pay their hotels

    When they showed up on set, they found out they were placed by LOCALS as it begs the question who those locals were and what training did they have before handing Baldwin the weapon

    The gun also had 2 misfires in a closed cabin with loud pops according to a source telling dailymail

    Baldwin was seen on his knees crying and on the phone talking to someone after the shooting and was devastated on what had transpired

    After the shooting, the armourer took possession of the gun and a spent casing which were turned over to police along with other prop guns and ammo on set as Baldwin changed out of his western clothes and was stained with blood which was also turned over

    A prop master tells dailymail if the person in charge had properly checked the gun first before handing it to baldwin, none of this would have happened

    The film is set in the 1880s in the old west and has now halted production indefinitely which also starred Supernatural's Jensen Ackles

    Legal experts say naming Alec Baldwin is a virtual certainy but charges are more likely to be centered on whoever loaded the gun"

    source articles:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-shooting.html

    ACTORS ON SCENE:

    https://i.imgur.com/moQG4FQ.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/oWRWGOc.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/y8m3pS4.jpg


    i'm very very tired of playing a guessing game

    of knowing that WHAT is presented is as likely to be a complete fabrication as to have very little to actually do with truth or reality

    it is so bad that someone asked my opinion in respect to a topic he had heard on the news, that my response was:

    "well, what did the news say?"

    and when he told me, i responded:

    "ok, if they said THAT, then we can pretty much rule it out, at least we know, THAT is NOT it"



    the lies have now COST loss of freedom, loss of finances and loss of life

    of people who innocently trusted and believed the lies they were told

    at this point? NOT ONE of us will be spared being DIRECTLY impacted by the time this is done

    if THIS does not call for the most SEVERE penalties to bring this to an end? then i honestly do not know what will

    ENDLESS propaganda (outright DECEPTION ~ organized conspiracy TO promulgate lies) IS the major CONTINUOUS weapon that is being utilized presently TO enslave humanity

    and they have NUMEROUS tentacles:


    crisis actors

    paid saboteurs

    MSM reporters intentionally presenting lies AS facts

    ALL of Soro's people basically paid to destroy this country

    alphabet agency agents infiltrators

    ALL false flag participators


    until we stop this? we will never be able to trust what we are told, what is presented to us, what is reported

    THESE ARE THE REAL "Domestic Terrorists"

    and they are indeed "terrorizing" the people ~ ALL people in fact

    committing FRAUD but with far reaching consequences

    that are altering (destroying) the very fabric of society

    Eradicating our Freedom, Destroying our country and way of life

    and there is NO way it should be legal

    tolerated or allowed to continue

    just isn't

    and we haven't much time either ...
    Last edited by iota; 23rd October 2021 at 18:49.
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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by iota (here)


    This is the 24 year old BLONDE responsible for
    PROP GUNS on Alec Baldwin Movie


    Dailymail has revealed that 24 y/o Hanna Gutierrez was the armourer responsible for the guns on set after she was brought in when the local union walked off set and she was there to replace the original prop master.

    She was the one who laid out 3 prop guns on a cart out on filming location and then assistant director, Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it to Baldwin unaware it had live rounds.

    Halls then shouted "Cold Gun" before handing it to Baldwin using the phrase to signal the cast and crew the gun was safe to fire on the scene and seconds later, Baldwin pulled the trigger that caused the fatal accident..


    Hanna is the daughter of legendary armourer and firearms consultant Thell Reed who worked from a young age and she did not respond to dailymail for comment

    The gun that was used was a Colt Pistol that was handed to Baldwin on the set of Rust and was taking part in a MOCK GUNFIGHT inside the building of the Bonzana Ranch

    Jensen Ackles, Swen Temmel and Travis Hammer were also on scene as the pistol was one of several weapons on set at the time


    The crew on Alec Baldwin's movie set were already concerned about gun safety before he accidentally killed cinemtographer Halyna Hutchins and injured the director, Joel Souza when the prop master in charge of the firearm that killed her had just JOINED the crew after the union walked out during the IATSE dispute!!



    A search warrant said the assistant director handed Baldwin a gun loaded with live rounds and indicated it was "safe" to use in the moments before the fatal shooting

    The warrant said a single bullet struck her chest and then the director on his shoulder as he was standing behind her suggesting it travelled all the way through her body....

    Unionized workers walked off the set hours before the fatal shooting after they plained about shoddy conditions and another safety incient days earlier involving 2 misfires of a prop weapon

    Yet, the unnamed prop master who oversaw the gun used in the fatal shooting was a nonunion worker who was just "brought in on the fly" to replace the workers who walked off set

    Unionized employees complained they stayed overnight in Albuquerque, an hour's drive from the set and not Santa Fe because they wouldn't pay their hotels

    When they showed up on set, they found out they were placed by LOCALS as it begs the question who those locals were and what training did they have before handing Baldwin the weapon

    The gun also had 2 misfires in a closed cabin with loud pops according to a source telling dailymail

    Baldwin was seen on his knees crying and on the phone talking to someone after the shooting and was devastated on what had transpired

    After the shooting, the armourer took possession of the gun and a spent casing which were turned over to police along with other prop guns and ammo on set as Baldwin changed out of his western clothes and was stained with blood which was also turned over

    A prop master tells dailymail if the person in charge had properly checked the gun first before handing it to baldwin, none of this would have happened

    The film is set in the 1880s in the old west and has now halted production indefinitely which also starred Supernatural's Jensen Ackles

    Legal experts say naming Alec Baldwin is a virtual certainy but charges are more likely to be centered on whoever loaded the gun"

    source articles:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-shooting.html

    ACTORS ON SCENE:

    https://i.imgur.com/moQG4FQ.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/oWRWGOc.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/y8m3pS4.jpg


    i'm very very tired of playing a guessing game

    of knowing that WHAT is presented is as likely to be a complete fabrication as to have very little to actually do with truth or reality

    it is so bad that someone asked my opinion in respect to a topic he had heard on the news, that my response was:

    "well, what did the news say?"

    and when he told me, i responded:

    "ok, if they said THAT, then we can pretty much rule it out, at least we know, THAT is NOT it"



    the lies have now COST loss of freedom, loss of finances and loss of life

    of people who innocently trusted and believed the lies they were told

    at this point? NOT ONE of us will be spared being DIRECTLY impacted by the time this is done

    if THIS does not call for the most SEVERE penalties to bring this to an end? then i honestly do not know what will

    ENDLESS propaganda (outright DECEPTION ~ organized conspiracy TO promulgate lies) IS the major CONTINUOUS weapon that is being utilized presently TO enslave humanity

    and they have NUMEROUS tentacles:


    crisis actors

    paid saboteurs

    MSM reporters intentionally presenting lies AS facts

    ALL of Soro's people basically paid to destroy this country

    alphabet agency agents infiltrators

    ALL false flag participators


    until we stop this? we will never be able to trust what we are told, what is presented to us, what is reported

    THESE ARE THE REAL "Domestic Terrorists"

    and they are indeed "terrorizing" the people ~ ALL people in fact

    committing FRAUD but with far reaching consequences

    that are altering (destroying) the very fabric of society

    Eradicating our Freedom, Destroying our country and way of life

    and there is NO way it should be legal

    tolerated or allowed to continue

    just isn't

    and we haven't much time either ...
    I live in New Mexico. According to at least one local news source, it is reported from law enforcement sources that Baldwin put a live round into the pistol.

    I do not know what happened. None of us do. But there is a lot of finger pointing and cover your ass stuff going on now, as is to be expected.

    I will say that the pistol was not a “prop gun”. A prop gun, by definition, cannot fire a live round.

    Further, at a minimum, Baldwin acted with reckless or callous disregard when he pointed a “prop gun” at people at close range and then pulled the trigger. He violated every rule of gun safety protocol, on or off a movie set.
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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    Quote Posted by iota (here)


    This is the 24 year old BLONDE responsible for
    PROP GUNS on Alec Baldwin Movie


    Dailymail has revealed that 24 y/o Hanna Gutierrez was the armourer responsible for the guns on set after she was brought in when the local union walked off set and she was there to replace the original prop master.

    She was the one who laid out 3 prop guns on a cart out on filming location and then assistant director, Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it to Baldwin unaware it had live rounds.

    Halls then shouted "Cold Gun" before handing it to Baldwin using the phrase to signal the cast and crew the gun was safe to fire on the scene and seconds later, Baldwin pulled the trigger that caused the fatal accident..


    Hanna is the daughter of legendary armourer and firearms consultant Thell Reed who worked from a young age and she did not respond to dailymail for comment

    The gun that was used was a Colt Pistol that was handed to Baldwin on the set of Rust and was taking part in a MOCK GUNFIGHT inside the building of the Bonzana Ranch

    Jensen Ackles, Swen Temmel and Travis Hammer were also on scene as the pistol was one of several weapons on set at the time


    The crew on Alec Baldwin's movie set were already concerned about gun safety before he accidentally killed cinemtographer Halyna Hutchins and injured the director, Joel Souza when the prop master in charge of the firearm that killed her had just JOINED the crew after the union walked out during the IATSE dispute!!



    A search warrant said the assistant director handed Baldwin a gun loaded with live rounds and indicated it was "safe" to use in the moments before the fatal shooting

    The warrant said a single bullet struck her chest and then the director on his shoulder as he was standing behind her suggesting it travelled all the way through her body....

    Unionized workers walked off the set hours before the fatal shooting after they plained about shoddy conditions and another safety incient days earlier involving 2 misfires of a prop weapon

    Yet, the unnamed prop master who oversaw the gun used in the fatal shooting was a nonunion worker who was just "brought in on the fly" to replace the workers who walked off set

    Unionized employees complained they stayed overnight in Albuquerque, an hour's drive from the set and not Santa Fe because they wouldn't pay their hotels

    When they showed up on set, they found out they were placed by LOCALS as it begs the question who those locals were and what training did they have before handing Baldwin the weapon

    The gun also had 2 misfires in a closed cabin with loud pops according to a source telling dailymail

    Baldwin was seen on his knees crying and on the phone talking to someone after the shooting and was devastated on what had transpired

    After the shooting, the armourer took possession of the gun and a spent casing which were turned over to police along with other prop guns and ammo on set as Baldwin changed out of his western clothes and was stained with blood which was also turned over

    A prop master tells dailymail if the person in charge had properly checked the gun first before handing it to baldwin, none of this would have happened

    The film is set in the 1880s in the old west and has now halted production indefinitely which also starred Supernatural's Jensen Ackles

    Legal experts say naming Alec Baldwin is a virtual certainy but charges are more likely to be centered on whoever loaded the gun"

    source articles:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-shooting.html

    ACTORS ON SCENE:

    https://i.imgur.com/moQG4FQ.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/oWRWGOc.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/y8m3pS4.jpg


    i'm very very tired of playing a guessing game

    of knowing that WHAT is presented is as likely to be a complete fabrication as to have very little to actually do with truth or reality

    it is so bad that someone asked my opinion in respect to a topic he had heard on the news, that my response was:

    "well, what did the news say?"

    and when he told me, i responded:

    "ok, if they said THAT, then we can pretty much rule it out, at least we know, THAT is NOT it"



    the lies have now COST loss of freedom, loss of finances and loss of life

    of people who innocently trusted and believed the lies they were told

    at this point? NOT ONE of us will be spared being DIRECTLY impacted by the time this is done

    if THIS does not call for the most SEVERE penalties to bring this to an end? then i honestly do not know what will

    ENDLESS propaganda (outright DECEPTION ~ organized conspiracy TO promulgate lies) IS the major CONTINUOUS weapon that is being utilized presently TO enslave humanity

    and they have NUMEROUS tentacles:


    crisis actors

    paid saboteurs

    MSM reporters intentionally presenting lies AS facts

    ALL of Soro's people basically paid to destroy this country

    alphabet agency agents infiltrators

    ALL false flag participators


    until we stop this? we will never be able to trust what we are told, what is presented to us, what is reported

    THESE ARE THE REAL "Domestic Terrorists"

    and they are indeed "terrorizing" the people ~ ALL people in fact

    committing FRAUD but with far reaching consequences

    that are altering (destroying) the very fabric of society

    Eradicating our Freedom, Destroying our country and way of life

    and there is NO way it should be legal

    tolerated or allowed to continue

    just isn't

    and we haven't much time either ...
    I live in New Mexico. According to at least one local news source, it is reported from law enforcement sources that Baldwin put a live round into the pistol.

    I do not know what happened. None of us do. But there is a lot of finger pointing and cover your ass stuff going on now, as is to be expected.

    I will say that the pistol was not a “prop gun”. A prop gun, by definition, cannot fire a live round.

    Further, at a minimum, Baldwin acted with reckless or callous disregard when he pointed a “prop gun” at people at close range and then pulled the trigger. He violated every rule of gun safety protocol, on or off a movie set.
    REALLY? wow!!

    so has the arrogance reached such an all time high as to believe he will get away with murder?

    he doesn't seem even the teeniest bit concerned

    as SM posted

    Quote Posted by Star Mariner;1458937


    Yesterday Baldwin tweeted a single curious word: "What?" - in response to nothing apparent. His first tweet for months.
    even if completely accidental? being devastated at causing the loss of life is the very LEAST appropriate emotion!

    i feel like i've dropped into a zombie land

    where people are not even real

    and have no emotions!

    makes me very sad!

    once a people get determined in their stance? AND connect to their inherent Authentic Power within?

    there is not an earthly power that CAN withstand them

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    welcome to hollyweird. all these people are freak as hell, you all know that, why so surprised? look into what they do with kids. I am out, just want to post that I am not surprised at all for what happened (it is not the first time), of course a life loss is always bad.

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    welcome to hollyweird. all these people are freak as hell, you all know that, why so surprised? look into what they do with kids. I am out, just want to post that I am not surprised at all for what happened (it is not the first time), of course a life loss is always bad.

    Boycott hollyweird.
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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Dukes of Hazard actor take on the killing -


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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

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    Report: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'





    NEWSMAX reports:

    "One person died, and a second person was injured in an accidental shooting Thursday on the set of "Rust," a feature starring Alec Baldwin that was filming in New Mexico.

    Fox News reported Baldwin fired the shot that killed his director of photography Halyna Hutchins, 42, and hit director Joel Souza, 42.

    A 42-year-old woman died from the incident, which involved a prop firearm, the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. A 42-year-old man was receiving emergency care.

    "The Santa Fe County sheriff's office confirms that two individuals were shot during filming of a scene on the set of the movie western 'Rust,'" the office said in a statement. "According to investigators it appears that the scene being filmed involved the use of a prop firearm when it was discharged. Detectives are investigating how and what type of projectile was discharged."

    The incident was reported at 1:50 p.m. M.T. at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular filming location.

    The woman was transported by helicopter to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque, where she died, the office stated. The man was taken by ambulance to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center in Santa Fe.

    The Sheriff's office did not identify the woman, saying that next of kin had not been notified.

    Joel Souza is writing and directing the Western, which also stars Frances Fisher, Jensen Ackles, Brady Noon and Travis Fimmel. Albuquerque station KOB4's news helicopter photographed the incident, showing an old church set blocked off, and reported that set security confirmed it is on lockdown.

    Baldwin is a co-producer on the film and plays infamous outlaw Rust, whose 13-year-old grandson is convicted of an accidental murder. Ackles plays a U.S. Marshal and Fimmel plays a bounty hunter who are on the pair's tail as Rust tries to break his grandson out of prison. An unexpected bond forms between the outlaw and his estranged grandson as they go on the run."

    read full article here:
    https://www.newsmax.com/us/alec-bald...21/id/1041535/
    Notice the picture they use of Alec Baldwin, looking all shifty. Sultans of spin at work.
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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Relevant post copied from here https://projectavalon.net/forum4/edi...92&do=editpost
    Quote This is curious. . The woman who was shot and killed by Alec Balwin, is Halyna Hutchins, 42 years old.
    Quote "Ms Hutchins was from Ukraine and grew up on a Soviet military base in the Arctic Circle, according to her personal website. She studied journalism in Kyiv, and film in Los Angeles, and was named a "rising star" by the American Cinematographer magazine in 2019."
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59005500

    What is suspicious is that Halyna was wife of legal firm Latham and Watkins lawyer Matthew Hutchins.
    Hutchins just happens to be an attorney for DC powerhouse law firm Latham & Watkins - a law firm that represented the Clintons. Latham & Watkins are representing Sussmann. Coincidence?

    Quote Lawyer whose firm represented Clinton campaign indicted by special counsel investigating Russia probe

    16 September 2021, 23:03
    • 7 min read

    A lawyer whose firm represented Hillary Clinton's campaign during the 2016 presidential election was indicted Thursday by special counsel John Durham on a single charge of making a false statement to the FBI.

    Michael Sussmann, an attorney for the Perkins Coie law firm who previously represented the Democratic National Committee following the hacking of its servers by Russia during the 2016 campaign, is accused of lying "about the capacity in which he was providing allegations to the FBI" when he met with a top lawyer from the bureau in September 2016 and provided him information about potential ties between a Russian bank and computer servers in the Trump Organization.

    "Specifically, SUSSMANN state falsely that he was not doing his work on the aforementioned allegations "for any client," which led the FBI General Counsel (James A. Baker) to understand that SUSSMANN was acting as a good citizen merely passing along information, not as a paid advocate or political operative," prosecutors write in the indictment.

    They allege instead that Sussmamn intentionally misled the FBI general counsel because he was acting at the time on behalf of an unnamed tech executive, an "U.S. internet company" and Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawy...ry?id=80065406

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Dukes of Hazard actor take on the killing -

    I thoroughly agree with everything John Schneider talks about here, 100%. As a person who gone through both skydiving, and hand gun certification courses, safety safety safety has been engrained into my psyche, and there's something rotten here!

    So the first thing thought that came to me upon hearing the tragic news, was obviously "how the bleep does that happen!!??"

    Two things engrained in a conceal carry course, is 1) never point a gun at someone unless you're planning on shooting them, and 2) never hand your gun to someone else without first clearing the chambers, and demonstrating to that person the gun is now rendered empty and harmless. If it's a semi automatic, same thing just different: You drop the cartridge, and rack the slide to demonstrate that the gun is indeed rendered harmless.

    There are no if's and's or but's to these two rules. I'll bet Bill can name a couple of very similar basics from mountain climbing. Whatever the field in question, there are both certain things that you always do, and certain things that you never do.

    Without even knowing the protocals of firearm safety on a movie set, alarm bells went off seeing that Alec Baldwin was handed a "cold gun", and that was that. WHAT!!! Excuse me, that's the extent of their safety protocol? Something sounds verrrrrrrrrrry, not right there... even I as a layman, with just very basic handgun instruction, know as described above you never just hand someone a gun, and basically give a "trust me". No, there is simply no trust of anything any kind in a situation like that, and hell if I know how a seasoned actor like Alec Baldwin wouldn't at least know that as well!

    So I found a veteran Hollywood firearms expert, and this article by him is very informative, if you want to know (as I did!) what safety protocols on a movie set are really supposed to look like, I highly recommend the read.
    https://ascmag.com/blog/filmmakers-f...-with-firearms

    Here are a couple of snippets that stood out to me more than others:

    Quote When there are firearms on set, you should be able to glance around and find an experienced firearms safety expert standing near the camera to give guidance to the cast and crew. We also sometimes stand directly in the line of fire, to provide a safe eye line for the actors. We stand in front of our work, and I would never ask an actor or crewmember to stand anywhere I am not willing to stand myself.

    There is a saying that amateurs practice until they get it right; professionals practice until they can’t get it wrong. Handling the firearms on a film set should be as important to the cast and crew as the packing of a parachute is to a skydiver. After all, skydivers don’t get their parachutes packed by the amateur who finally got it right after 10 tries; they get them packed by the professional who has never gotten it wrong in 30 years.

    It’s like hiring a cinematographer. Productions not willing to pay for a professional will be shocked at the cost of employing an amateur.

    Quote “I never forget that if an actor makes a mistake, they get another take, but if a weapons handler makes a mistake, it will make headlines in the morning.”
    And this one is key:

    Collaborating With Talent
    The best part of a career in film is the opportunity to work with so many amazingly talented actors and cinematographers. One of the highlights was teaming with cinematographer James Glennon, ASC and actor Robin Williams on the 2005 film The Big White. During shooting, I was fortunate to become friends with both — and I quickly found out that beneath the humor, Robin Williams never missed a detail.

    Many of our scenes involved a revolver. Every day I would show him the empty firearm, load six dummy cartridges into the chambers so it looked fully loaded to camera, and demonstrate that it was completely safe by pointing it in a safe direction and pulling the trigger eight times.

    Over the course of two months, he silently observed that I always pulled the trigger exactly eight clicks — two more than necessary for the revolver’s six chambers. Then, on our final day, as I was preparing for our last scene together, Robin asked me why I always pulled the trigger eight times. I told him my personal reason: “The first six are for you, the seventh one is for me, and the eighth one is for Brandon Lee.” The very talented James Glennon, also a skilled person with a firearm, nodded his head in silent agreement.
    So, going back to what John Schneider told Newsmax: He didn't speak of the Hollywood union disputes, but it seems the firearms "expert" brought on set was scab labor.

    Strike One!

    She just told Alec "cold gun".

    Strike Two!

    Alec didn't think twice about that, and fired the gun unquestioningly.

    Strike Three!

    Negligence is certainly in play here, criminal negligence if you ask me. When someone dies because of negligence that's some serious s**t.

    I purposely left out any woo from this story, as Joe Friday would say on Dragnet, just the facts ma'am.

    But speaking of woo, I did want to end with kind of a nagging question from the back of my mind: If the actor who pulled the trigger was Clint Eastwood, rather than Alec Baldwin, would it make a difference in how you see this?
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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by mizo (here)
    Dukes of Hazard actor take on the killing -

    I thoroughly agree with everything John Schneider talks about here, 100%. As a person who gone through both skydiving, and hand gun certification courses, safety safety safety has been engrained into my psyche, and there's something rotten here!

    So the first thing thought that came to me upon hearing the tragic news, was obviously "how the bleep does that happen!!??"

    Two things engrained in a conceal carry course, is 1) never point a gun at someone unless you're planning on shooting them, and 2) never hand your gun to someone else without first clearing the chambers, and demonstrating to that person the gun is now rendered empty and harmless. If it's a semi automatic, same thing just different: You drop the cartridge, and rack the slide to demonstrate that the gun is indeed rendered harmless.

    There are no if's and's or but's to these two rules. I'll bet Bill can name a couple of very similar basics from mountain climbing. Whatever the field in question, there are both certain things that you always do, and certain things that you never do.

    Without even knowing the protocals of firearm safety on a movie set, alarm bells went off seeing that Alec Baldwin was handed a "cold gun", and that was that. WHAT!!! Excuse me, that's the extent of their safety protocol? Something sounds verrrrrrrrrrry, not right there... even I as a layman, with just very basic handgun instruction, know as described above you never just hand someone a gun, and basically give a "trust me". No, there is simply no trust of anything any kind in a situation like that, and hell if I know how a seasoned actor like Alec Baldwin wouldn't at least know that as well!

    So I found a veteran Hollywood firearms expert, and this article by him is very informative, if you want to know (as I did!) what safety protocols on a movie set are really supposed to look like, I highly recommend the read.
    https://ascmag.com/blog/filmmakers-f...-with-firearms

    Here are a couple of snippets that stood out to me more than others:

    Quote When there are firearms on set, you should be able to glance around and find an experienced firearms safety expert standing near the camera to give guidance to the cast and crew. We also sometimes stand directly in the line of fire, to provide a safe eye line for the actors. We stand in front of our work, and I would never ask an actor or crewmember to stand anywhere I am not willing to stand myself.

    There is a saying that amateurs practice until they get it right; professionals practice until they can’t get it wrong. Handling the firearms on a film set should be as important to the cast and crew as the packing of a parachute is to a skydiver. After all, skydivers don’t get their parachutes packed by the amateur who finally got it right after 10 tries; they get them packed by the professional who has never gotten it wrong in 30 years.

    It’s like hiring a cinematographer. Productions not willing to pay for a professional will be shocked at the cost of employing an amateur.

    Quote “I never forget that if an actor makes a mistake, they get another take, but if a weapons handler makes a mistake, it will make headlines in the morning.”
    And this one is key:

    Collaborating With Talent
    The best part of a career in film is the opportunity to work with so many amazingly talented actors and cinematographers. One of the highlights was teaming with cinematographer James Glennon, ASC and actor Robin Williams on the 2005 film The Big White. During shooting, I was fortunate to become friends with both — and I quickly found out that beneath the humor, Robin Williams never missed a detail.

    Many of our scenes involved a revolver. Every day I would show him the empty firearm, load six dummy cartridges into the chambers so it looked fully loaded to camera, and demonstrate that it was completely safe by pointing it in a safe direction and pulling the trigger eight times.

    Over the course of two months, he silently observed that I always pulled the trigger exactly eight clicks — two more than necessary for the revolver’s six chambers. Then, on our final day, as I was preparing for our last scene together, Robin asked me why I always pulled the trigger eight times. I told him my personal reason: “The first six are for you, the seventh one is for me, and the eighth one is for Brandon Lee.” The very talented James Glennon, also a skilled person with a firearm, nodded his head in silent agreement.
    So, going back to what John Schneider told Newsmax: He didn't speak of the Hollywood union disputes, but it seems the firearms "expert" brought on set was scab labor.

    Strike One!

    She just told Alec "cold gun".

    Strike Two!


    Alec didn't think twice about that, and fired the gun unquestioningly.

    Strike Three!

    Negligence is certainly in play here, criminal negligence if you ask me. When someone dies because of negligence that's some serious s**t.

    I purposely left out any woo from this story, as Joe Friday would say on Dragnet, just the facts ma'am.

    But speaking of woo, I did want to end with kind of a nagging question from the back of my mind: If the actor who pulled the trigger was Clint Eastwood, rather than Alec Baldwin, would it make a difference in how you see this?

    Logically, Isn't the actor responsible for double checking the gun? If as a nurse someone hands me a medication to give to someone, I wouldn't just blindly accept it. It is my responsibility to verify that it is the correct drug, dosage and route of administration. It wouldn't be the person that handed me the wrong drug that would be responsible or the doctor that prescribed it, it would be me, held accountable for the error if it was wrong because I didn't do my due diligence and verify first.

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Logically, Isn't the actor responsible for double checking the gun?
    Absolutely Pam, that's why I pegged him with Strike Three

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)

    So, going back to what John Schneider told Newsmax: He didn't speak of the Hollywood union disputes, but it seems the firearms "expert" brought on set was scab labor.

    Strike One!

    She just told Alec "cold gun".

    Strike Two!

    Alec didn't think twice about that, and fired the gun unquestioningly.

    Strike Three!
    There's plenty of fault to go around here. But ultimately if someone (that means anyone and I don't care who!) hands me a gun assuring me it just has blanks, I'm still compelled to be double damn sure that indeed is the case.

    I certainly wouldn't hang the whole wrap on him though, after all, in the end he is just an actor. A very irresponsible and negligent actor, but still just an actor.

    Were I investigating possible criminal negligence charges, I would look at the firearms "expert" first, and whoever's responsible for hiring that scab labor second.

    But still, no matter what happens, whenever I see Alec from now on I'll be thinking "you killed someone, and you have easily prevented that from happening by using just the tiniest bit of common sense. Shame on you!"
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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Logically, Isn't the actor responsible for double checking the gun?
    Absolutely Pam, that's why I pegged him with Strike Three

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)

    So, going back to what John Schneider told Newsmax: He didn't speak of the Hollywood union disputes, but it seems the firearms "expert" brought on set was scab labor.

    Strike One!

    She just told Alec "cold gun".

    Strike Two!

    Alec didn't think twice about that, and fired the gun unquestioningly.

    Strike Three!
    There's plenty of fault to go around here. But ultimately if someone (that means anyone and I don't care who!) hands me a gun assuring me it just has blanks, I'm still compelled to be double damn sure that indeed is the case.

    I certainly wouldn't hang the whole wrap on him though, after all, in the end he is just an actor. A very irresponsible and negligent actor, but still just an actor.

    Were I investigating possible criminal negligence charges, I would look at the firearms "expert" first, and whoever's responsible for hiring that scab labor second.

    But still, no matter what happens, whenever I see Alec from now on I'll be thinking "you killed someone, and you have easily prevented that from happening by using just the tiniest bit of common sense. Shame on you!"
    I'm pretty sure the corrupt system will find a way out of holding him accountable. He plays his part in the system very nicely. They may go after the young woman. She would probably be the easiest scapegoat. Of course, there could be a civil suit filed against him by the families if the legal system wishes to look the other way. This is California , after all. At the end of the day , I agree, all the blame doesn't fall on him alone. It was just sloppiness throughout the whole affair.

    How actual bullet(s )could be placed in the gun is a mystery though. Maybe someone knew how sloppy the whole thing was. It would be interesting to know who it was that was supposed to be shot at in the script.

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    That is a facebook link that shows an image of a tweet by Hutchins days before her death:

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    Holy smokes, Batman. Problem is, nothing I've found (yet) verifies this as a genuine tweet, because -

    Halyna Hutchins' twitter account has been completely scrubbed!

    Nothing remains, not a single tweet: https://twitter.com/HalynaHutchins

    That is odd. I don't recall dead celebs or any hot-topic dead persons having their social media wiped right after their death.

    Too early to say if there's anything in this. That image could easily be shopped, but it's suspicious.

    Finding several mentions of a potentially new viral meme;

    "Alec Baldwin didn't kill himself."
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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Next time this asshole goes on a leftist rant that guns should be banned, we can remind him how many people the others he's trying to point out have killed. Yep, that'd probably be zero.

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    Default Re: Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Kills 1 on Set of 'Rust'

    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    That is a facebook link that shows an image of a tweet by Hutchins days before her death:

    Attachment 47744

    Holy smokes, Batman. Problem is, nothing I've found (yet) verifies this as a genuine tweet, because -

    Halyna Hutchins' twitter account has been completely scrubbed!

    Nothing remains, not a single tweet: https://twitter.com/HalynaHutchins

    That is odd. I don't recall dead celebs or any hot-topic dead persons having their social media wiped right after their death.

    Too early to say if there's anything in this. That image could easily be shopped, but it's suspicious.

    Finding several mentions of a potentially new viral meme;

    "Alec Baldwin didn't kill himself."

    These Tweets also popped up after Kobe Bryant’s death, it seems to be a running gag.

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