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    I was was going to write out a long considered response, but then saw post #4. Dennis laid it all out in a gold-plated nutshell. Besides, I've written many a post about the MSM before, and the rampant decay of that once noble profession called journalism. There's no 'news' anymore, only 'narrative'.

    Avalon is pretty much my primary news outlet. That doesn't mean I believe all that I hear and read. Far from it. It doesn't really matter though. We don't have to believe anything, really - do we?

    I already believe, and know, the only true things that are important. Love, liberty, peace, God, etc... I simply inform myself with what interests me these days, and store it away. F**k the rest, it will only have you turning in circles.

    Below sums up my feelings on the matter.

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    I also avoid MSM like the pest. I even turn off the news of my favourit rock radio station when it comes up at full hour. It is that extreme. I cannot stand these suckers anymore. Any MSM news I get indirectly from the alternative sources or by accident (e.g. walking past a newspaper stand and not being able to look the other way).

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    Quote Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
    I also avoid MSM like the pest. I even turn off the news of my favourit rock radio station when it comes up at full hour. It is that extreme. I cannot stand these suckers anymore. Any MSM news I get indirectly from the alternative sources or by accident (e.g. walking past a newspaper stand and not being able to look the other way).
    While I'm certainly no fan of mainstream news, I still tune in here and there just to keep tabs on what's going on from that perspective, and how it's being presented depending upon which venue it is of course. It's usually fairly predictable.

    I guess I just don't get the reflexive knee jerk reaction to it. Yes I know there's the usual propaganda, urging us to think this way or that, and of course the old "if it bleeds it leads"; but it doesn't ruin my day or anything, and besides, is there none of that in alt media as well?

    I certainly see myself being led down certain paths there as well, along with all the trappings of "if it bleeds it leads", it's just done differently, for a different audience.

    If I had to choose one or the other of course I'd choose alt media, but I fully see and acknowledge that swamp critters abound there as well. It's certainly no safe space...

    I can just hear ole Mick Jagger now, as if warning the unwary taking either path:

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    Quote Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
    I also avoid MSM like the pest. I even turn off the news of my favourit rock radio station when it comes up at full hour. It is that extreme. I cannot stand these suckers anymore. Any MSM news I get indirectly from the alternative sources or by accident (e.g. walking past a newspaper stand and not being able to look the other way).
    i agree with you wholeheartedly

    there is ABSOLUTELY NO point in continuance of participation or "playing along"

    they are insulting our intelligence

    and now they are guilty of promoting death to multitudes through complicit intentional deceit with the vaccines

    crimes against humanity for a paycheck and the loss of their soul

    those our enemies have hired to POSE as alternative are criminals as well

    but AS i made QUITE clear ...

    those are NOT, in fact, "alternative"

    they are FRAUD > PRETENDING to be alternative

    which are TWO different things

    a rat can pretend to be a rose all it wants > and it still is and will ALWAYS be just a rat

    each day, as death tolls increase

    as our freedom is threatened

    our very way of life is slowly unraveling

    i become more and more convinced

    this issue of DECEPTION in the media NEEDS to be resolved if we EVER hope to regain our Freedom

    there TRULY is no way around it

    they are both agitators AND instigators committing treachery with smiling faces

    President Lincoln correctly named them enemies and addressed this very point

    Quote … ‘Must I shoot a simple soldier boy who deserts, while I must not

    touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert?
    Obama made this legal and THAT must be redressed

    but that alone, will not stop them

    i think there should be mandatory imprisonment for them

    and those who are paid to infiltrate the "alternative" side

    THINK ... HOW can we move forward? much less succeed when we are constantly subjected to lies, manipulation and control mechanisms in order to enslave us

    THIS forum has thousands upon thousands of posts ALL attempting to decipher

    their CODES
    their LIES
    their STEERING


    INSTEAD ... of playing along?

    effort should be put to a SOLUTION

    it NEEDS to END

    is there another?

    WHAT is solved by ALLOWING its continuance, exactly?



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    There is a mainstream NEWS an alternative NEWS and there is "MY NEWS". in trying to formulate my conclusion of almost anything. I give a 90% weight on "my news" ( the things I observe with my 6 senses) 10% on the alternative and 0% on the MSN

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    Before you watch the list ... test yourself: how many you think there are versus how many actually are the list in above link shows!

    I predict vast majority have no clue

    cheers,
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    • These biases affect belief formation, reasoning processes, business and economic decisions, and human behavior in general.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Gracy, someone compiled a statistic a few years ago, which showed that fully 80% of what the people who read/watch the news hear is actually read directly from corporate press releases and State Department/US gov offices. Directly read off the paper/teleprompter. I'd guess that about 99% of it is lies, "sins of omission" (that which is never covered), and social-engineering propaganda. And the other 20%, well, that's the "cat in a tree rescue" and high school football scores, which are actual, real, true stories/news.
    The thing I notice most from msm is that the base storyline, necessarily so, is always rooted in an objective fact. Like say when NBC trots out their wonder boy Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel to report/repeat on the latest war or hot spot.

    Sure enough he's in that place, it's a real country and there certainly is something going on there, but soon as he starts breaking down for the viewer the how's and why's of it, that's when I know I'm watching a Pentagon sponsored dog and pony show aimed at getting me to see things their way, and support whatever it is they want to do.

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Alt media is a great place to find out the true data, the true data points, and then to cogitate your own analysis. Probably the biggest problem with the alt sites is that the commentators often present the data wrapped in their own analysis of the data, and spend time trying to convince others that their analysis is correct. There's no question that mainscream media is basically nefarious pro-corporate propaganda, but that doesn't automatically make the "alt news" websites the final say in the analysis of data that they dare to present - but they are the only places to find the real data to start ones own analysis.
    A couple things there, so let me break that down into pieces, but not Richard Engel style lol:

    Quote Alt media is a great place to find out the true data, the true data points, and then to cogitate your own analysis.
    True, to a point, but what about say, the flat earth presentations? Corey Goode's blue birds, or Fulford's white hat ninjas coming to save the day any time now? (to point out just 3 examples)

    That's what I mean by people seeing and escaping the mainstream narrative, only to run head long into this kind of crapola. Human nature dictates that people tend towards information that "feels" right to them, so they think they've found the motherlode of unadulterated truth in alternative, and they'll nestle into any corner that "feels" right for them.

    And then off they flutter into never never land. I did that for a while, following different examples, and it took some time for me to slowly realize that my head was so firmly planted up my hind side, I didn't even know which way was up.

    I had found the place where certain truths can indeed be found, but I had to learn the hard way that finding them is like navigating one's way through a pasture full of cow patties, on a moonless night without a flashlight.

    It's still that way, but I went and bought a flashlight to help avoid some of the stepping in it.

    Quote Probably the biggest problem with the alt sites is that the commentators often present the data wrapped in their own analysis of the data, and spend time trying to convince others that their analysis is correct
    Now that's news and commentary, and common with both mainstream and alternative. "Here's the news, and here's how you'll look at it if you're smart".

    Quote There's no question that mainscream media is basically nefarious pro-corporate propaganda, but that doesn't automatically make the "alt news" websites the final say in the analysis of data that they dare to present - but they are the only places to find the real data to start ones own analysis.
    I may be nitpicking here Dennis, but I do think this hair splitting is important. Here's how I would amend the final sentence of your point: "but they are the only places that you may find the real data to start ones own analysis, and you'll have to pick your way through an awful lot of those cow patties to get there".



    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    Before you watch the list ... test yourself: how many you think there are versus how many actually are the list in above link shows!

    I predict vast majority have no clue

    cheers,
    John
    Nice list John. My confirmation led me to what I believe is the mother of all bias in that list, a detriment to the ultimate goals any researcher:
    Quote Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.[1] People display this bias when they select information that supports their views, ignoring contrary information, or when they interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing attitudes. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Confirmation bias cannot be eliminated entirely, but it can be managed, for example, by education and training in critical thinking skills.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Gracy, someone compiled a statistic a few years ago, which showed that fully 80% of what the people who read/watch the news hear is actually read directly from corporate press releases and State Department/US gov offices. Directly read off the paper/teleprompter. I'd guess that about 99% of it is lies, "sins of omission" (that which is never covered), and social-engineering propaganda. And the other 20%, well, that's the "cat in a tree rescue" and high school football scores, which are actual, real, true stories/news.
    The thing I notice most from msm is that the base storyline, necessarily so, is always rooted in an objective fact. Like say when NBC trots out their wonder boy Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel to report/repeat on the latest war or hot spot.

    Sure enough he's in that place, it's a real country and there certainly is something going on there, but soon as he starts breaking down for the viewer the how's and why's of it, that's when I know I'm watching a Pentagon sponsored dog and pony show aimed at getting me to see things their way, and support whatever it is they want to do.
    I think you're making a good point here, but I'll nit-pick it anyway: One of the most egregious actions of the MSM is the deliberate omission of critical information, critical details, even the omission of entire stories. The overall big picture is severely compromised by, eclipsed by, the missing information and missing news stories.

    I don't think it's a fair characterization of MSM media to say their stories are rooted in objective fact, either. That war correspondent staged in front of a partially destroyed building (that US missiles probably destroyed) presents an opening glimpse into "the situation" in a highly biased way, and the first few words often hammer home the underlying propaganda, "I'm here in civil war-torn Syria...", and the audience hears yet another repetition that Syria actually had a civil war, not a CIA/MI6/Mossad regime-change black-ops operation a la John Perkins' recipe. You also likely know that some "news" segments that allegedly did show a correspondent on or near a battlefield were actually in a TV studio in front of a green screen. So even the reality of, "I'm here in Kabul..." isn't necessarily so real after all.

    I also don't see alt news stories that are not rooted in an objective fact (the inverse of your statement.) I don't believe that starting a news story with a known fact is an attribute solely of the mainstream media, just a well-known and well-worn technique for setting the hook to accept the author's conclusion, already drawn.

    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Alt media is a great place to find out the true data, the true data points, and then to cogitate your own analysis. Probably the biggest problem with the alt sites is that the commentators often present the data wrapped in their own analysis of the data, and spend time trying to convince others that their analysis is correct. There's no question that mainscream media is basically nefarious pro-corporate propaganda, but that doesn't automatically make the "alt news" websites the final say in the analysis of data that they dare to present - but they are the only places to find the real data to start ones own analysis.
    A couple things there, so let me break that down into pieces, but not Richard Engel style lol:

    Quote Alt media is a great place to find out the true data, the true data points, and then to cogitate your own analysis.
    True, to a point, but what about say, the flat earth presentations? Corey Goode's blue birds, or Fulford's white hat ninjas coming to save the day any time now? (to point out just 3 examples)

    That's what I mean by people seeing and escaping the mainstream narrative, only to run head long into this kind of crapola. Human nature dictates that people tend towards information that "feels" right to them, so they think they've found the motherlode of unadulterated truth in alternative, and they'll nestle into any corner that "feels" right for them.

    And then off they flutter into never never land. I did that for a while, following different examples, and it took some time for me to slowly realize that my head was so firmly planted up my hind side, I didn't even know which way was up.

    I had found the place where certain truths can indeed be found, but I had to learn the hard way that finding them is like navigating one's way through a pasture full of cow patties, on a moonless night without a flashlight.

    It's still that way, but I went and bought a flashlight to help avoid some of the stepping in it.
    Yes, I could modify my wording on that to add the caveat of "discernment required", of being faced with both real data and BS manufactured crapola on alt sites. The salient point (to me at least) is that the MSM sites don't even have the data or information at all. I think the caveat that discernment is still required regardless where one picks up information is a given, but I do see your point that I could have included it as a reminder.

    I'm also kinda talking out of my butt on the general term "alt sites", because I really don't visit many of them at all and others not really enough to make sweeping statements about them. I dropped a number of them one by one as their biased, Empire-serving messages metastasized and devolved them into faux-alt-news sites. But, I stand by my assertion that the alt news sites are the only place you're going to find the hidden information (hidden to protect the status quo corporate Empire) to even begin to discern and analyze the truth.

    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)
    Quote Probably the biggest problem with the alt sites is that the commentators often present the data wrapped in their own analysis of the data, and spend time trying to convince others that their analysis is correct
    Now that's news and commentary, and common with both mainstream and alternative. "Here's the news, and here's how you'll look at it if you're smart".

    Quote There's no question that mainscream media is basically nefarious pro-corporate propaganda, but that doesn't automatically make the "alt news" websites the final say in the analysis of data that they dare to present - but they are the only places to find the real data to start ones own analysis.
    I may be nitpicking here Dennis, but I do think this hair splitting is important. Here's how I would amend the final sentence of your point: "but they are the only places that you may find the real data to start ones own analysis, and you'll have to pick your way through an awful lot of those cow patties to get there".
    Actually, I don't find that to be true of Project Avalon, the "alt" site I do frequent. "Woo" tales, like Corey Goode's, aren't really what I would consider as either "news" or "alternate news." News is news (real events are real events), but it is the presentation or deliberate omission of pieces of the information that distinguishes news from alt news. In fact, the term "alternate" indicates that what is being presented is being presented from a non-mainstream alternative, compared to mainstream perspective (including the missing data to make an informed analysis.) The mainstream wants to use those 'cow patties', like Good's tales, to discredit and dismiss alt sites entirely, to remove any narratives competing with the Empire-approved narrative.

    It's not a good idea to walk through a cow pasture blindfolded and barefoot; discernment is required regardless where the info comes from. On the other hand, MSM is more like walking over a giant pile of manure and black holes (missing information), where you are deliberately propagandized as their primary objective.

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    pretty sure a "knee jerk reaction" is EXACTLY the intent here


    when the TRUTH?

    was/IS actually THIS


    this 30 second video explains the video above

    https://streamable.com/3vs1ip



    it is a flat out insult to intelligence

    and has ZERO merit!

    no self respecting person i know would subject themselves to this

    or waste their time other than to know what they are "peddling" next ...

    but certainly not to take them seriously .. they are detestable and despicable

    and their lies? now have blood on their hands ...

    i will never forget that

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    We have seen very clearly how rapidly the corporate/legacy media organizations were coopted in the SARS-CoV2 event: there was virtually NO critique or any analysis provided for the lock down policies, they have consistently stuck with the official narratives, offering only disgusting smear campaigns and discrediting anyone who dares to offer alternatives to the official codes. The Vax has been promoted, absolutely and consistently, MSM is NOT 'mainstream' because it is not universally accepted or consumed.
    The reason for this dearth of analysis and critique is complicated, it is a rabbit hole which could consume entire lifetimes if taken on!
    While the WWW has provided a powerful platform for mind control, and official propaganda it has also given independent media and disenfranchised non-core medical people a means to communicate with us all, thank God for Blogging, and those brave souls who try to build their own media platforms.
    I agree, don't be drawn into the MSM cultural web, but we have to 'know our enemy' so I tend to keep an eye on what is being pushed out. Always take the time to meditate and sit quietly, withdraw from the maelstrom. These are difficult days for us all. I wish you well.

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    Gracy
    Quote While I'm certainly no fan of mainstream news, I still tune in here and there just to keep tabs on what's going on from that perspective, and how it's being presented depending upon which venue it is of course. It's usually fairly predictable.
    Same here Gracy, but even that level of observation (contamination) misses up my mind, damages my emotions etc
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
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    Wow, I am astonished that people don't realize that online media is as much or bigger a problem than mainstream, at this point. Nobody watches mainstream anymore, except a few elderly people, high on their own supply...of geritol.

    Alternative media is driven by the same perverse incentives as mainstream. It really shines in some areas though, gotta say. But as Gracy describes it's diamonds in dunghills.

    And Fox News? Bwah haha. I remember reading the business section of some fairly good site and they were doing a simple breakdown of how media, in general would cover Biden. And it was this simple. Murdoch will put the screws to him, if he DARES to mention raising taxes on the super wealthy. That simple.

    The upshot was, if Biden didn't raise taxes on the wealthy, Fox would be right behind him and support him. But hey, if people want to make it all complicated and about anything other than that, they are free to do it. I think Biden is a senile ass too.

    We are drawn to certain interpretations of reality for many different reasons--often emotional ones. We then edit out what doesn't conform to our emotional desire. I just posted an objective piece on Pierre Kory, based not on what I want to believe, but what I have to face is true. 26 people have looked at it so far and not one 'like.'

    That's because Kory has filled the role of the alienated hero, so ably and nobody wants to feel bad about him. Kory makes a lot of people just feel good about him and about his medical claims. It perfectly conforms to their ideas about the way life works. There is only one problem, it turns out, he's not honest. But alternative media did hand springs and back flips supporting him and God knows what it will take for the same media to actually report to their followers what is going on.

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    Wow, I am astonished that people don't realize that online media is as much or bigger a problem than mainstream, at this point. Nobody watches mainstream anymore, except a few elderly people, high on their own supply...of geritol.

    Alternative media is driven by the same perverse incentives as mainstream. It really shines in some areas though, gotta say. But as Gracy describes it's diamonds in dunghills.

    And Fox News? Bwah haha. I remember reading the business section of some fairly good site and they were doing a simple breakdown of how media, in general would cover Biden. And it was this simple. Murdoch will put the screws to him, if he DARES to mention raising taxes on the super wealthy. That simple.

    The upshot was, if Biden didn't raise taxes on the wealthy, Fox would be right behind him and support him. But hey, if people want to make it all complicated and about anything other than that, they are free to do it. I think Biden is a senile ass too.

    We are drawn to certain interpretations of reality for many different reasons--often emotional ones. We then edit out what doesn't conform to our emotional desire. I just posted an objective piece on Pierre Kory, based not on what I want to believe, but what I have to face is true. 26 people have looked at it so far and not one 'like.'

    That's because Kory has filled the role of the alienated hero, so ably and nobody wants to feel bad about him. Kory makes a lot of people just feel good about him and about his medical claims. It perfectly conforms to their ideas about the way life works. There is only one problem, it turns out, he's not honest. But alternative media did hand springs and back flips supporting him and God knows what it will take for the same media to actually report to their followers what is going on.
    so ... gracy called you in huh?

    pathetic

    and subversive ...

    truly ...

    **UPDATE**

    i should have added the word "action" to the end of this to clarify what i meant''

    "pathetic and subversive actions" not people

    this misunderstanding precipitated RunningDear, Dennis's and PurpleL

    ALL to respond to what they thought was intended

    which caused ME to NOT understand WHY they were posting as they did ...

    thankfully, all of it has been straightened out here
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    so ... gracy called you in huh?

    pathetic

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    I think this is unfair to say.

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    so ... gracy called you in huh?

    pathetic

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    I think this is unfair to say.

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    Quote Posted by iota (here)

    so ... gracy called you in huh?

    pathetic

    and subversive ...

    truly ...
    I think this is unfair to say.
    In addition, these aren't shills that you're pointing out. Autumn and Gracy are a couple of strong and intelligent women that are stating their perspective, and some of that may be quite different than yours. That's far from them being traitorous scum working for evil bastards and on a mission to inject the bad guy's agenda into the forum - which is the vibe of the accusations being leveled. (And if that was their mission, they suck at it.) You really gotta chill on this and debate points where you differ with these people if you want, but even passionate disagreement has to stop short of accusations of bad character or motive.

    There are members here that don't like me and have probably wondered about my motives and character when I have expressed no support for Trump and/or expressed that I think Q is a just a Trump supporter/Trump shill/"Deep State=Democrat" believing idiot gamer. That sure as hell doesn't put me on the side of the psychopathic self-proclaimed elite bastards that are actually our common enemy, but it sure as hell does rub some people the wrong way, and some let me know it. So, I'm more than aware of getting cast in a negative light, and know it is distracting and counterproductive to any sort of goal in opposition of the real bad guys.


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    The MSM lost its attraction for me many years ago when another world opened up to me via the SEEING of the SEERS I was working with. It was then my heart began to resonate with truth. Yet as one is given more knowledge so one’s perception of truth changes. What is truth for one does not necessarily have to be true for another and this is where acceptance enters the equation. Some will read the daily news, some will watch without assessing what is truth and what is fabrication, it depends upon the knowledge and understanding within and the level of their ability to use that assessment.
    Truth belongs to a higher frequency than lies and when one continues to maintain a high frequency then one will continually draw further truth.
    There is no such thing as the ultimate truth as perceptions are never constant but always changing. The constant is the search, not the truth.
    Your heart will always let you know your truth because it will resonate with it until you change your thinking.
    However, here on Avalon I am quite happy to dip in here and there to much that I find enlightening, entertaining and uplifting so I thank all of you for your very interesting posts, it is my “go to” place of an evening when I find time to relax.❤️

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
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    Quote Posted by iota (here)

    so ... gracy called you in huh?

    pathetic

    and subversive ...

    truly ...
    I think this is unfair to say.
    In addition, these aren't shills that you're pointing out. Autumn and Gracy are a couple of strong and intelligent women that are stating their perspective, and some of that may be quite different than yours. That's far from them being traitorous scum working for evil bastards and on a mission to inject the bad guy's agenda into the forum - which is the vibe of the accusations being leveled. (And if that was their mission, they suck at it.) You really gotta chill on this and debate points where you differ with these people if you want, but even passionate disagreement has to stop short of accusations of bad character or motive.

    There are members here that don't like me and have probably wondered about my motives and character when I have expressed no support for Trump and/or expressed that I think Q is a just a Trump supporter/Trump shill/"Deep State=Democrat" believing idiot gamer. That sure as hell doesn't put me on the side of the psychopathic self-proclaimed elite bastards that are actually our common enemy, but it sure as hell does rub some people the wrong way, and some let me know it. So, I'm more than aware of getting cast in a negative light, and know it is distracting and counterproductive to any sort of goal in opposition of the real bad guys.

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    I created the following meme about three years ago to reflect my own opinion:

    "The only thing I believe in the New York Times are the recipes."

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