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    • What will journalism look like in 2025?
    This is a corporate "think tank" in The Netherlands admitting the power and rise of Alternative Media and "how to deal" with it.

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    Narrative control. The ability to set the stage, to narrate a perspective purporting to be reality, rather than reflecting reality. Obfuscation of reality. That's the major crime of mainstream media, especially msm that uses the word "news" in their title. It's a fantasy world that rolls by on the reader's teleprompter and flows into the non-discerning mind.

    Whether you know it or not, the mainstream fantasy narrative has either completely formed your views or heavily influenced them. Where do you think your opinions of the different countries around the world came from? For example, what are your opinions about "the Middle East situation?" Is Israel the major aggressor in the region? Is Israel an occupier, slowly genociding Palestinians and stealing Palestine, occupying part of Syria and stealing oil there? Was Syria really in a civil war, or simply yet another victim nation that the USA, Inc. attacked in various ways over decades, for Israel? Not much in the mainstream 'news' about the USA, Inc. Navy assisting in starvation "sanctions" against the people of Yemen, is there?

    Virtually every word you've ever heard about the countries in the Middle East came from the Washington think-tanks and the US State Department PR office to your ears. How about Venezuela, where the USA, Inc. is at war using starvation 'sanctions' and crippling international trade sanctions and international criminal indictments to subjugate the country with the most oil and most gold in the world (economically disruptive of Ameri-centric Empire.) The USA, Inc. is at war with Venezuela and the mainstream media doesn't even mention it. Giant corporations and their niche rackets (food, medicine, housing, energy) completely control the narrative within their sectors.

    A whole, entire illusory world is created and broadcast as if real. Kind of the opposite of H G Wells 'War of the Worlds', where mainstream media hides the ongoing wars rather that hyping them. Worst of all is that you/we remain in a state of suspension of disbelief, and in a state of acquiescing to the false reality narrative. The mainstream "news" is insidious gaslighting; it's not innocuous prattle. Look at the quantity and ubiquitous nature of "news" corporations promoting mRNA experimental pre-treatment jabs with the deliberate false notion of immunity, and immunity's socially beneficial attributes. With narrative control, they don't need electric fences - our indoctrinated brothers and sisters will keep us in line.


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Narrative control. The ability to set the stage, to narrate a perspective purporting to be reality, rather than reflecting reality. Obfuscation of reality. That's the major crime of mainstream media, especially msm that uses the word "news" in their title. It's a fantasy world that rolls by on the reader's teleprompter and flows into the non-discerning mind.

    Whether you know it or not, the mainstream fantasy narrative has either completely formed your views or heavily influenced them. Where do you think your opinions of the different countries around the world came from? For example, what are your opinions about "the Middle East situation?" Is Israel the major aggressor in the region? Is Israel an occupier, slowly genociding Palestinians and stealing Palestine, occupying part of Syria and stealing oil there? Was Syria really in a civil war, or simply yet another victim nation that the USA, Inc. attacked in various ways over decades, for Israel? Not much in the mainstream 'news' about the USA, Inc. Navy assisting in starvation "sanctions" against the people of Yemen, is there?

    Virtually every word you've ever heard about the countries in the Middle East came from the Washington think-tanks and the US State Department PR office to your ears. How about Venezuela, where the USA, Inc. is at war using starvation 'sanctions' and crippling international trade sanctions and international criminal indictments to subjugate the country with the most oil and most gold in the world (economically disruptive of Ameri-centric Empire.) The USA, Inc. is at war with Venezuela and the mainstream media doesn't even mention it. Giant corporations and their niche rackets (food, medicine, housing, energy) completely control the narrative within their sectors.

    A whole, entire illusory world is created and broadcast as if real. Kind of the opposite of H G Wells 'War of the Worlds', where mainstream media hides the ongoing wars rather that hyping them. Worst of all is that you/we remain in a state of suspension of disbelief, and in a state of acquiescing to the false reality narrative. The mainstream "news" is insidious gaslighting; it's not innocuous prattle. Look at the quantity and ubiquitous nature of "news" corporations promoting mRNA experimental pre-treatment jabs with the deliberate false notion of immunity, and immunity's socially beneficial attributes. With narrative control, they don't need electric fences - our indoctrinated brothers and sisters will keep us in line.
    the delusion we are in is spiritual, which has everything to do with identity in relation to our soul ... what is playing out here in the natural is but a mirror/reflection of it ...

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    Quote Posted by mozo33 (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Narrative control. The ability to set the stage, to narrate a perspective purporting to be reality, rather than reflecting reality. Obfuscation of reality. That's the major crime of mainstream media, especially msm that uses the word "news" in their title. It's a fantasy world that rolls by on the reader's teleprompter and flows into the non-discerning mind.

    Whether you know it or not, the mainstream fantasy narrative has either completely formed your views or heavily influenced them. Where do you think your opinions of the different countries around the world came from? For example, what are your opinions about "the Middle East situation?" Is Israel the major aggressor in the region? Is Israel an occupier, slowly genociding Palestinians and stealing Palestine, occupying part of Syria and stealing oil there? Was Syria really in a civil war, or simply yet another victim nation that the USA, Inc. attacked in various ways over decades, for Israel? Not much in the mainstream 'news' about the USA, Inc. Navy assisting in starvation "sanctions" against the people of Yemen, is there?

    Virtually every word you've ever heard about the countries in the Middle East came from the Washington think-tanks and the US State Department PR office to your ears. How about Venezuela, where the USA, Inc. is at war using starvation 'sanctions' and crippling international trade sanctions and international criminal indictments to subjugate the country with the most oil and most gold in the world (economically disruptive of Ameri-centric Empire.) The USA, Inc. is at war with Venezuela and the mainstream media doesn't even mention it. Giant corporations and their niche rackets (food, medicine, housing, energy) completely control the narrative within their sectors.

    A whole, entire illusory world is created and broadcast as if real. Kind of the opposite of H G Wells 'War of the Worlds', where mainstream media hides the ongoing wars rather that hyping them. Worst of all is that you/we remain in a state of suspension of disbelief, and in a state of acquiescing to the false reality narrative. The mainstream "news" is insidious gaslighting; it's not innocuous prattle. Look at the quantity and ubiquitous nature of "news" corporations promoting mRNA experimental pre-treatment jabs with the deliberate false notion of immunity, and immunity's socially beneficial attributes. With narrative control, they don't need electric fences - our indoctrinated brothers and sisters will keep us in line.
    the delusion we are in is spiritual, which has everything to do with identity in relation to our soul ... what is playing out here in the natural is but a mirror/reflection of it ...
    I agree on your overarching point, but what we are discussing here is the physical side. The spiritual delusion (of being separate beings from Oneness) really is a different issue. This issue is mundane, earthly, the realm of embodied souls in day-to-day incarnated physical reality. Food, clothing, shelter issues, physical societal issues, starvation, propaganda, bombs, missiles, injections...

    ...and where we should/could go (mainstream or, and/or, alternative sources) for information about the physical world and its governance.


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by mozo33 (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Narrative control. The ability to set the stage, to narrate a perspective purporting to be reality, rather than reflecting reality. Obfuscation of reality. That's the major crime of mainstream media, especially msm that uses the word "news" in their title. It's a fantasy world that rolls by on the reader's teleprompter and flows into the non-discerning mind.

    Whether you know it or not, the mainstream fantasy narrative has either completely formed your views or heavily influenced them. Where do you think your opinions of the different countries around the world came from? For example, what are your opinions about "the Middle East situation?" Is Israel the major aggressor in the region? Is Israel an occupier, slowly genociding Palestinians and stealing Palestine, occupying part of Syria and stealing oil there? Was Syria really in a civil war, or simply yet another victim nation that the USA, Inc. attacked in various ways over decades, for Israel? Not much in the mainstream 'news' about the USA, Inc. Navy assisting in starvation "sanctions" against the people of Yemen, is there?

    Virtually every word you've ever heard about the countries in the Middle East came from the Washington think-tanks and the US State Department PR office to your ears. How about Venezuela, where the USA, Inc. is at war using starvation 'sanctions' and crippling international trade sanctions and international criminal indictments to subjugate the country with the most oil and most gold in the world (economically disruptive of Ameri-centric Empire.) The USA, Inc. is at war with Venezuela and the mainstream media doesn't even mention it. Giant corporations and their niche rackets (food, medicine, housing, energy) completely control the narrative within their sectors.

    A whole, entire illusory world is created and broadcast as if real. Kind of the opposite of H G Wells 'War of the Worlds', where mainstream media hides the ongoing wars rather that hyping them. Worst of all is that you/we remain in a state of suspension of disbelief, and in a state of acquiescing to the false reality narrative. The mainstream "news" is insidious gaslighting; it's not innocuous prattle. Look at the quantity and ubiquitous nature of "news" corporations promoting mRNA experimental pre-treatment jabs with the deliberate false notion of immunity, and immunity's socially beneficial attributes. With narrative control, they don't need electric fences - our indoctrinated brothers and sisters will keep us in line.
    the delusion we are in is spiritual, which has everything to do with identity in relation to our soul ... what is playing out here in the natural is but a mirror/reflection of it ...
    I agree on your overarching point, but what we are discussing here is the physical side. The spiritual delusion (of being separate beings from Oneness) really is a different issue. This issue is mundane, earthly, the realm of embodied souls in day-to-day incarnated physical reality. Food, clothing, shelter issues, physical societal issues, starvation, propaganda, bombs, missiles, injections...

    ...and where we should/could go (mainstream or, and/or, alternative sources) for information about the physical world and its governance.
    they are not separate ... cause and effect ...

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    Here's a good example of media spin and bull****. I'm seeing this in a lot places:

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    Some people have gotten it into their heads that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered some black people, therefore he's some sort of nazi, and the white supremacist patriarchy let him off - or some rubbish.

    Why have they got that idea? Or rather, where, did they get it?

    All the people who died in the Kenosha shootings were white.

    I really hope the penny drops, and soon, before somebody gets hurt over this.
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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Here's a good example of media spin and bull****. I'm seeing this in a lot places:

    Attachment 47941

    Some people have gotten it into their heads that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered some black people, therefore he's some sort of nazi, and the white supremacist patriarchy let him off - or some rubbish.

    Why have they got that idea? Or rather, where, did they get it?

    All the people who died in the Kenosha shootings were white.

    I really hope the penny drops, and soon, before somebody gets hurt over this.
    That's a good example of typical, mainstream style of BS Star Mariner. IMO that case may ultimately have some merits exclusive of racism, and that's for the courts to decide in a hopefully neutral setting; but it's inexcusable for outlets of a certain bias to be adding in their own narrative to please the demographic they are beholden to for the typical reason of ratings, and the ultimate bottom line, which is of course the almighty dollar.

    The same can be said for other outlets operating in a similar manner but with the opposite bias, aimed at pleasing a totally different demographic, but for the same exact reasons as their counterparts.

    I'll use as an example the smearing of illegal immigrants, putting forth the narrative that they are by and large either diseased, MS 13, rapists, killers, or something of the like. Surely a certain percentage is indeed that, but it's unfair to broad brush people like that.

    Stories like these and countless others are often extremely complicated and nuanced, it does none of us any good to have them presented as though they are black and white (so to speak).

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    No food for thought John? Just another stand alone Jimmy Dore video when he suits the cause?

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    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)

    Stories like these and countless others are often extremely complicated and nuanced, it does none of us any good to have them presented as though they are black and white (so to speak).
    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Here's a good example of media spin and bull****. I'm seeing this in a lot places:

    Attachment 47941

    Some people have gotten it into their heads that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered some black people, therefore he's some sort of nazi, and the white supremacist patriarchy let him off - or some rubbish.

    Why have they got that idea? Or rather, where, did they get it?

    All the people who died in the Kenosha shootings were white.

    I really hope the penny drops, and soon, before somebody gets hurt over this.
    Today newspapers from around the world (Holland, Brazil, Argentina and many more) had to run corrections because they believed the three people shot in the Rittenhouse case were black. They had this notion because the reporting of the American mainstream media gave people this impression. I am absolutely sure that there are millions of people all over the world that also believe this lie and now they think that our court system is in favour of releasing young white men that shoot black people. These are horrific lies intentionally told to the world by the mainstream media.

    I truly believe that there are also millions of Americans that believed this lie for most of the trial and possibly still do today. While the media did not report that those shot were black they certainly implied it and made no effort to correct this lie.

    We are now in a place where the mainstream media views virtually everything in the world through the prism of race. It gives them power, it renders their enemies powerless and most of the time it allows them to control the narrative. This is exactly why this case became so high profile and important. It is an opportunity for normal men and women of all races to tell the media we are not going to accept their dishonest reporting anymore and we want them to stop using race as a weapon.

    I posted this on another thread but I think this is representative of where we are today (at least in the USA).

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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Here's a good example of media spin and bull****. I'm seeing this in a lot places:

    Attachment 47941

    Some people have gotten it into their heads that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered some black people, therefore he's some sort of nazi, and the white supremacist patriarchy let him off - or some rubbish.

    Why have they got that idea? Or rather, where, did they get it?

    All the people who died in the Kenosha shootings were white.

    I really hope the penny drops, and soon, before somebody gets hurt over this.
    MSNBC and the Washington set have been promoting this, with Joe Biden suggesting Rittenhouse is a 'white supremacist' well before the verdict was given (illegal I would have thought to presume an outcome of a court case)-if the police force had been doing its job that night individuals would not have felt the need to protect businesses, and Rittenhouse would not have been present.

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    waxamillionpehhgasus posted A thread here with this interview that I find quite eye-opening and relevant to this discussion.:

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    "This is a must-read document that goes far beyond any one single conspiracy theory."
    https://www.pearl-hifi.com/11_Spirit...ews_291pgs.pdf
    Interviewer: Jon Rappaport of the legendary nomorefakenews.com
    Following along these lines, Miles Mathis suggests that the entire Kyle Rittenhouse incident and trial was entirely staged from the start, likely with the divide and conquer, chaos/solution agenda in mind.
    http://mileswmathis.com/genup.pdf

    Does make you wonder just how deep the spin actually goes...
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)

    Stories like these and countless others are often extremely complicated and nuanced, it does none of us any good to have them presented as though they are black and white (so to speak).
    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Here's a good example of media spin and bull****. I'm seeing this in a lot places:

    Attachment 47941

    Some people have gotten it into their heads that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered some black people, therefore he's some sort of nazi, and the white supremacist patriarchy let him off - or some rubbish.

    Why have they got that idea? Or rather, where, did they get it?

    All the people who died in the Kenosha shootings were white.

    I really hope the penny drops, and soon, before somebody gets hurt over this.
    Today newspapers from around the world (Holland, Brazil, Argentina and many more) had to run corrections because they believed the three people shot in the Rittenhouse case were black. They had this notion because the reporting of the American mainstream media gave people this impression. I am absolutely sure that there are millions of people all over the world that also believe this lie and now they think that our court system is in favour of releasing young white men that shoot black people. These are horrific lies intentionally told to the world by the mainstream media.

    I truly believe that there are also millions of Americans that believed this lie for most of the trial and possibly still do today. While the media did not report that those shot were black they certainly implied it and made no effort to correct this lie.
    Thank you for the well thought out comment rgray, and it will get no argument from me. Mainstream media being not to be trusted, was one of two central points of this thread, and this case is an excellent example of why not.

    However, the other point of this thread seems to have been left by the wayside, that being to put alternative media under the scrutiny microscope as well. Heinous and blatant as the outright misrepresentation you and others are correctly pointing out in the mainstream, is this by default implying that the hands of alternative media are clean in this respect?

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    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)
    However, the other point of this thread seems to have been left by the wayside, that being to put alternative media under the scrutiny microscope as well. Heinous and blatant as the outright misrepresentation you and others are correctly pointing out in the mainstream, is this by default implying that the hands of alternative media are clean in this respect?
    Gracy, I am not attempting to be funny or sarcastic but who are the alternative media? There are many places that discuss the news (like Avalon) but don't report it. There are a host of others sites that I consider alternative media but I also view them as opinion and not necessarily factual. What sources would you consider alternative "news"?

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    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)
    However, the other point of this thread seems to have been left by the wayside, that being to put alternative media under the scrutiny microscope as well. Heinous and blatant as the outright misrepresentation you and others are correctly pointing out in the mainstream, is this by default implying that the hands of alternative media are clean in this respect?
    Gracy, I am not attempting to be funny or sarcastic but who are the alternative media? There are many places that discuss the news (like Avalon) but don't report it. There are a host of others sites that I consider alternative media but I also view them as opinion and not necessarily factual. What sources would you consider alternative "news"?
    Thank you for offering me the opportunity to clarify rgray. For clarity, and to keep it real simple, I'll refer to just any sources posted here on this forum.

    As is said around my parts, that should keep matters good and simple like. I hope?

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    Quote Posted by Gracy (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    Here's a good example of media spin and bull****. I'm seeing this in a lot places:

    Attachment 47941

    Some people have gotten it into their heads that Kyle Rittenhouse murdered some black people, therefore he's some sort of nazi, and the white supremacist patriarchy let him off - or some rubbish.

    Why have they got that idea? Or rather, where, did they get it?

    All the people who died in the Kenosha shootings were white.

    I really hope the penny drops, and soon, before somebody gets hurt over this.
    That's a good example of typical, mainstream style of BS Star Mariner. IMO that case may ultimately have some merits exclusive of racism, and that's for the courts to decide in a hopefully neutral setting; but it's inexcusable for outlets of a certain bias to be adding in their own narrative to please the demographic they are beholden to for the typical reason of ratings, and the ultimate bottom line, which is of course the almighty dollar.

    The same can be said for other outlets operating in a similar manner but with the opposite bias, aimed at pleasing a totally different demographic, but for the same exact reasons as their counterparts.

    I'll use as an example the smearing of illegal immigrants, putting forth the narrative that they are by and large either diseased, MS 13, rapists, killers, or something of the like. Surely a certain percentage is indeed that, but it's unfair to broad brush people like that.

    Stories like these and countless others are often extremely complicated and nuanced, it does none of us any good to have them presented as though they are black and white (so to speak).

    Gracy I think you're unknowingly using the same rhetorical trick frequently deployed by those in the mainstream, which is to take a very reasonable point - in this case the dangers of illegal immigration - and then to suggest that's all the other side (in this case the Republicans) are talking about, and to suggest they're not doing it with any nuance at all. I've seen some bits on Fox news about ms 13 and human trafficking etc, but when it comes to illegal immigration the narrative isn't that the immigrants are bad and should therefore not be allowed to come in; the narrative is that no matter how wonderful or terrible they are they shouldn't be allowed to come in...unless they go thru the proper channels and do it *legally*. There are many, many reasons they need to come in legally, and I've seen them all discussed in equal doses. The things you listed are but a few of dozens.

    Yes, the right is trying to exploit the situation for political points...but even the purely political point of showing that some people crossing the border are human traffickers and gang members isn't meant to smear the character of all immigrants; it's to highlight the negligence of the current administration. The accusation that the right are smearing all immigrants unfairly is a tactic used to distract from the real accusation being made, which is to do with the incompetence of Biden and co's border policies

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    I don't think all mainstream news channels should be lumped together. Some are more good than bad and some are more bad than good. The Rittenhouse trial demonstrated that pretty clearly. I've watched the reporting on this very closely, and while the left were trying to exploit the situation to perpetuate their racial divisiveness crusade, the right were reporting the facts. Occasionally they'd go off the deep end a little by calling Rittenhouse a "hero," or something like this, but their spin is much less sordid and sinister than that of their leftist counterparts.

    It's become sort of commonplace for those in the alt media to slag off mainstream media, to say they're all corrupt and biased mouthpieces for one party or another. And that has some merit obviously. But when I watch a guy like Tucker Carlson, i see a very reasonable and measured individual. Ditto Laura Ingraham. They are not without their faults; they're playing the game like all the other news pundits...but they at least seem to *believe* what they're saying, as opposed to just uttering sh!t that will get ratings, appeal to the base, or to win some kind of political spat( of course they do that stuff too sometimes, but the ratio of sincerity to f#ckery is substantially higher at FOX than say CNN or MSNBC) And say what you want about FOX news, but they openly admit to being a mouthpiece for the Republican party. CNN is *still* pretending to be an unbiased news source! And that is simply astounding.

    To say all mainstream news reporting is untrustworthy is just as low resolution as blindly aligning with political party A or political party B. I don't think either the Republicans or the Democrats are going to get us to the promise land ultimately..but right now, in this moment in time, one party is clearly going insane while the other has remained relatively grounded. And since we are stuck with this 2 party system atm, I'm aligning with the grounded group. I think it's the responsible thing to do.
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    Thanks...

    Excellent coverage by Jimmy Dore - illustrating that genuine 'alternative' media at it's best isn't about left or right or any other division...

    Just about truthful, sincere analysis....

    A breath of fresh air dispersing the stench of lies coming from the propaganda based MSM...

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    I don't think all mainstream news channels should be lumped together. Some are more good than bad and some are more bad than good. The Rittenhouse trial demonstrated that pretty clearly. I've watched the reporting on this very closely, and while the left were trying to exploit the situation to perpetuate their racial divisiveness crusade, the right were reporting the facts. Occasionally they'd go off the deep end a little by calling Rittenhouse a "hero," or something like this, but their spin is much less sordid and sinister than that of their leftist counterparts.

    It's become sort of commonplace for those in the alt media to slag off mainstream media, to say they're all corrupt and biased mouthpieces for one party or another. Say what you want about FOX news, but they openly admit to being a mouthpiece for the Republican party. CNN is *still* pretending to be an unbiased news source! And that is simply astounding.

    To say all mainstream news reporting is untrustworthy is just as low resolution as ...
    ...
    They are pretty trustworthy on local events, football scores, weather forecasting. But if they took part in covering up the truth of the largest events of our lives, and they all did, and they present a distorted, fantasy worldview day after day in their teleprompter reading, which is propaganda, then you didn't get the news you got propagandized. The MSM is the narrative control department for the bad guys - they tell you what they want you to hear. They program you with distorted and missing facts so you can't possibly make an informed decision about anything major. They are the PR/media department for the thugs. Just because they might report a shooting case accurately doesn't undo the consistent and constant distortion of reality that is presented as news. I just can't see defending them as credible when we know otherwise.

    The MSM news organizations have deliberately omitted the truth about (what I'd consider) the 4 major conspiracies of my lifetime.* All mainstream news coverage was part - a critical part - of the coverup. You can't just give them a pass because they covered a story or two honestly. That's like congratulating a serial rapist for that one time he didn't rape that one woman.

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    What you're describing as 'right' and 'left' are really corporate neocons and corporate neolibs. You can find virtue in both the left and the right ideologies, but not in the corporate neocons and corporate neolibs - their fuel is psychopathic greed. The Democrats are a corporation, inextricably tied to and enmeshed with and beholden to the Global Corporate Network. The Republicans are a corporation, inextricably tied to and enmeshed with and beholden to the very same Global Corporate Network. Both corporations serve their corporate masters, not the people. You can prove this to yourself if you go through every piece of legislation passed in the past 50 years, and regardless of some doublespeak titles, you will have a massive pile of pro-corporate legislation but won't find any legislation that is actually pro-citizen or pro-environment. The Republican corporation may seem more "grounded" to you... (and to me, I'd add more honest: they do tell you to your face that they are about to perform a proctoscopic exam, and then do it; Democrats lie to you while they are doing the same exam.) ...but 'grounded' doesn't mean much when it is steeped in a background of obfuscation, lies, and cover-ups on the biggest stories of our lives.

    The 2 political corporations in the US are a full-on disgrace, a pack of pirates and thugs connected to and controlled by the Global Corporate Network - the same global corporate network that owns all the mass media that continually lies to us, propagandizes us, gaslights us, from cradle to grave.

    I don't think either political corporation should be lauded or followed or supported, even in times when one corporation's actors are more insane. Duopoly control of the US government is held together by pragmatism in the masses, choosing a 'lesser evil' rather than rejecting the 2 choices offered.


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    For me it is extremely easy to decipher what talking points & "scripted events" are serving Dystopian Agenda2030 ("Build Back Better") "The Great Reset" done by both (Deep State) Left & Right MSM outlets ...

    But the Left MSM seems to love to push it blatantly over the edge! ... Over the top, way to extreme in how they push false narratives 24/7 with help from corrupt part of the (Deep State) FBI & corrupt Judges. etc. etc.

    I sense that most people do not bother to comprehend this (WEF 'Global Governance') or they just do not want to see it, that is why I do not bother to repeat myself in-depth anymore.



    When the LEFT becomes extreme, the "center" becomes the "normal left" and because of all of this the "normal right" are further away from the madness and that makes the "normal right" seem "extreme" to the left!
    • This insight has been explained by many independent mass media analysts who are neither and use common sense, logic & being fearless.
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    2 picture below is just a tiny fraction to comprehend what is going on:

    • For the record: I was raised in a classical liberal dutch family with liberal friends ... and voted "classical liberal" too ... but stopped doing that the moment I saw the bigger picture!
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    • Project Veritas, Assange, and the Authoritarian Decree of Who Is a "Real Journalist":

    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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