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    Billions of people had the jab; albeit the first one.

    Are people dying? Yes
    Are people suffering? Yes
    Are people getting sicker? Yes

    Are you one of the lucky few who had the jab and experienced no reaction whatsoever from it?


    We are living in sad times.....

    Sad....

    But do you really care? if someone died directly from the side effects of the jab...??

    Do you really care?

    I bet not. Unless it's someone who you know.


    Sad.... where is the empathy?
    Where did it go?

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    Quote Scottish Mountain Bike Champ Rab Wardell Dies in Sleep
    at Age of 37


    Press Association
    24 August 2022, 09:14 GMT+1

    Scottish mountain biker Rab Wardell has died just days after winning the Scottish MTB XC Championships.

    Scottish Cycling confirmed on Tuesday evening that Wardell died in his sleep, aged 37.

    It said in a statement on Twitter: “We are devastated to confirm the news that international mountain biker & former employee, Rab Wardell, has passed away today.

    “We have very little information at this stage, but we send our love & support to his family, friends & all those in our community who knew him.

    “We ask that you respect Rab’s family’s privacy at this incredibly sad time.”

    Wardell won the elite men’s title at Kirroughtree Forest on Sunday overcoming several punctures to win on the final lap.

    He appeared on BBC Scotland’s The Nine programme on Monday evening to talk about his victory but died later that night.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...p-at-age-of-37

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    Quote Posted by Anu Raman (here)
    Billions of people had the jab; albeit the first one.

    Are people dying? Yes
    Are people suffering? Yes
    Are people getting sicker? Yes

    Are you one of the lucky few who had the jab and experienced no reaction whatsoever from it?


    We are living in sad times.....

    Sad....

    But do you really care? if someone died directly from the side effects of the jab...??

    Do you really care?

    I bet not. Unless it's someone who you know.


    Sad.... where is the empathy?
    Where did it go?
    You make a wonderful point, I know it is difficult to confront the painful reality that the vast numbers of people out there in public-ville are subject to manipulation and obeying authoritarian psychopaths before they will even consider the true conditions others have to live with; it is bloody hard!
    I console myself with knowing that there are good people among them, people who would NOT throw the electric switch on a stranger wired into a psychological experiment simply because a white coated person told them it would be OK to do it. Yes, they are fewer in number, the heartless types abound, the clueless conformists abound - there are good people, understand this.
    The clot shot is taking a massive toll, and still they turn up in stupid numbers to the clinics, they are still promoting this stuff as being benign, imagine that?

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    Tennis star, Grigor Dimitrov has to quit game due to dizziness and chest pain. Ironically, the tournament is sponsored by Moderna.


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    Second death confirmation rocks 2022 Comrades: 'Two deaths are two too many'

    Khanyiso Tshwaku and Lloyd Burnard 29 Aug 2022

    The Comrades Marathon has been rocked by another tragedy of a participant who died while participating in Sunday's down-run.

    47-year-old Phakamile Ntshiza, who ran for the Pretoria-based Adventist Athletic Club, died suddenly while on the course to Durban.


    He collapsed shortly before reaching Drummond - the half-way point of the race - and was declared dead when the Netcare medical team arrived on the scene.

    This follows news earlier in the day that Mzamo Mthembu of the Hollywoodbets Athletics Club died in a Westville hospital on Sunday after collapsing just before Pinetown.

    Comrades race director Rowyn James confirmed both deaths to Sport24 on Monday.

    "When our Netcare team had arrived at the scene, the athlete was declared dead," James said of Ntshiza's death.

    "The chairperson of the Comrades Marathon Association has been in contact with both families.

    "Comrades is a family. We have had over 400 000 people run the race since its inception over 100 years ago, and we are all family.

    "Two deaths are two too many, and our thoughts and condolences are with the families of the runners who lost their lives."

    James added that a total of 74 runners had been transported to hospital – 41 to St Augustine's and 33 to Netcare Umhlanga – after Comrades shut its medical facilities at 20:00 on Sunday night.

    Of those, two remain in ICU presently. One is still on a ventilator.

    "We’re wishing them both a speedy recovery," added James.

    https://www.news24.com/sport/othersp...-many-20220829

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    Quote Posted by Anu Raman (here)
    Billions of people had the jab; albeit the first one.

    Are people dying? Yes
    Are people suffering? Yes
    Are people getting sicker? Yes

    Are you one of the lucky few who had the jab and experienced no reaction whatsoever from it?


    We are living in sad times.....

    Sad....

    But do you really care? if someone died directly from the side effects of the jab...??

    Do you really care?

    I bet not. Unless it's someone who you know.


    Sad.... where is the empathy?
    Where did it go?
    Unfortunately we are currently dealing with the psychological aftermath of an undeclared war. Some of the comments I've read online (not here) from folk who avoided the vax and were ostracised because of it are laced with bitterness and resentment. Understandable, but unhealthy and only likely to perpetuate division.

    Whichever side of the V issue one is on, we need to preserve empathy for all and try to rise above the urge to seek vengeance or vindication. The only way we get through this is together.

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    Mark Steyn questions why young healthy people are dying across the UK. Mark Steyn's opening monologue talks about numerous athletes who have just passed.

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    Quote Mom-of-two Texas bodybuilder dies age 31: Tributes are paid to athlete and gym owner described by friends as 'beautiful inside and out'

    - Stacey Cummings, 31, professional bodybuilder and mother of two died suddenly on Wednesday. The cause of her death is not yet known
    - Cummings' death is only the latest in a slew of sudden deaths that have rocked the bodybuilding world. ast week Cedric McMillan died of a heart attack at 44
    - Cummings became a certified bodybuilding professional in 2016, just 3 years after joining the sport
    - Cummings was a co-owner of Flex Fitness 24/7 gym in McKinney, Texas, with her husband, bodybuilding professional Bryant Fought

    By ALEX OLIVEIRA FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
    PUBLISHED: 16:19, 21 April 2022 | UPDATED: 16:29, 21 April 2022

    A bodybuilder, gym owner and mother-of-two has died suddenly at the young age of 31.

    The cause of Stacey Cummings' death on Wednesday is unknown at this point.

    Cummings was a beloved leader in the world of female bodybuilding, and the shocking news of her death was met with an outpouring of support and affection from those she touched.

    Born in Florida, Cummings started bodybuilding in 2013, earning her certification as an International Federation of Bodybuilding and Fitness professional just three years later in 2016.

    The news of Cummings' loss is only the latest in a slew of high-profile premature deaths that have rocked the bodybuilding world in the past 12 months.

    Just last week, 2017 Arnold Classic champ Cedric McMillan died of a heart attack at the age of 44 while running on a treadmill.

    In February, retired bodybuilder Tom Prince died at 52 from cancer, mere days after 37 year-old star Ashley Gearhart died from undisclosed causes.

    In November, the winner of the 2018 Mr. Olympia competition died of a heart attack at the age of 46, Chuck Kirkendall, 46, announced he had recently survived a heart attack, and in August 49-year old star John Meadows was struck down by a blood clot.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nside-out.html

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    Quote Canadian junior hockey captain dies during tournament game

    By Alec Gearty September 1, 2022

    Rising Canadian junior hockey player Eli Palfreyman reportedly died in the locker room during a preseason game in Ontario on Tuesday night.

    The 20-year-old Cambridge, Ont. native collapsed during the first intermission of the Ayr Centennials’ preseason tournament game at the North Dumfries Community Complex, according to the Toronto Sun. Emergency officials were unable to revive the star forward.

    Medical officials have not disclosed Palfreyman’s cause of death and the Centennial’s organization said it will not speculate “out of respect for the family’s right to privacy.”

    “We are asking for your prayers and support for Eli’s family and each of our players,” Centennials’ Vice President Brian Shantz said in a statement. “Our Centennials organization and the community of Ayr are in mourning. Eli had the best care from our medical staff and quick response from the ambulatory staff.”

    he Ayr Centennials, one of 25 teams in the Greater Ontario Junior Hockey League, named Palfreyman its captain for its upcoming season days before the tragedy. He was entering his second season with the organization.

    “It’s an honor to wear the C,” Palfreyman said after being named captain on Friday. “Me coming back this year — my final year — as the captain, words don’t explain how honored I am to be in this position.”

    Palfreyman was a 12th-round draft pick of the Peterborough Petes in the Ontario Hockey League Draft in 2018.

    “Our deepest sympathies go out to Eli’s family and all of his teammates and staff with Ayr,” Peterborough Petes general manager Michael Oke said in a statement.

    The GOJHL postponed its games originally scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday following Palfreyman’s death.

    North Dumfries Township Mayor Sue Foxton ordered flags at the arena to be flown at half-mast while teams across the junior hockey landscape paid tribute to the young player.

    “Gone from our sight but never our hearts,” said the Atlanta Madhatters, Palfreyman’s former team. “With tears and profound sadness, we offer our deepest condolences to his family and those that were blessed to be his teammates.”
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/canadi...urnament-game/

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    Quote Ouachita Baptist football player Clark Yarbrough dies at 21 after collapsing Sunday
    JIM REINEKING | USA TODAY

    4 September 2022

    Ouachita Baptist University in Arkansas announced the passing of senior defensive lineman Clark Yarbrough, 21, who collapsed Sunday morning.

    The cause of Yarbrough's death is unknown.

    The 6-foot-1, 280-pound Yarbrough was an All-Great American Conference honorable mention selection in 2021 after playing in all 11 games and finishing the season with 27 tackles.

    The Ouachita Baptist Tigers — a Division II football program — won their season opener, 42-32, over Oklahoma Baptist on Thursday. Yarbrough recorded two tackles in the victory. It was the 15th consecutive season opener won by Ouachita Baptist, and its eighth straight win over Oklahoma Baptist.

    Yarbrough, whose hometown is Rowlett, Texas, played at Sachse (Texas) High School before attending Ouachita Baptist.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports...es/7994876001/

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    Quote Teen runner has heart attack at HS cross country meet, Tennessee officials say

    BY EMMALYSE BROWNSTEIN SEPTEMBER 14, 2022 11:25 AM

    A 17-year-old student and cross country runner had a heart attack after a race in Florida and was airlifted to a hospital, said school officials in Tennessee, where the boy attends high school. Gabe Higginbottom, a junior at Bartlett High School near Memphis, competed in a race with his high school team in Pensacola, Florida, on Sept. 10.

    But afterward, “he didn’t bounce back,” according to a post on the cross country booster club’s Facebook page. Kris Harman, a team coach, told WREG something just wasn’t right with Gabe after competing. “He started complaining about his chest hurting and kept complaining and we went to the trainer’s tent…everybody initially thinks it’s hot, it’s heat exhaustion so give him ice but he’s still complaining about his chest,” Harman told the outlet.

    Gabe was advised to get medical help, and he went to Ascension Sacred Heart Pensacola Hospital, according to information from the booster club, which was shared on Facebook by Bartlett City Schools. After a CAT scan there, he was airlifted to Shands Heart and Vascular Hospital in Gainesville.

    Harman told WREG that doctors found Gabe had a blocked artery and performed a procedure to fix it. “Now, they’re just trying to figure out what caused it,” Harman told the outlet.

    Phil Clark, the athletic coordinator at Bartlett City Schools, told the Memphis Commercial Appeal that doctors said the heart attack wasn’t heat related and that they don’t know what caused it. “The doctor at the hospital he’s at, he told our track coach he had seen one (other) instance like this in his 11 years down there,” Clark said, the outlet reported. He said Gabe is working toward recovery.
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nat...265739511.html
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    Another incident in the stands with a spectator rather than a sportsman:

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-09-1...Txu/index.html


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    More young athletes are falling: Teen golfer dies suddenly while at practice

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-09-...racticing.html


    Tyler Erickson, a senior student at Holmes County High School who excelled both athletically and academically, died suddenly Monday, Sept. 12, at Holmes County on Florida’s Panhandle while practicing for an upcoming tournament.

    Erickson served as state president of the National Beta Club and was a talented golfer. His school’s athletic director, Jeff Lee, said that the teen died doing what he loved.

    “Actually what he was doing when the tragedy struck was going out to work on his golf game, and that’s the type of guy he was,” Lee said.

    According to Erickson’s parents, he came home after golf practice on Monday, drank some water and decided to go back to the course to practice some more.

    However, he did not come home after the sun came down, which concerned his parents. They went to the course to look for him and found him dead on the floorboard of a golf cart on the course’s sixth hole.

    His father, Holmes County Commissioner Clint Erickson, wrote in a Facebook post that the cause of his son’s death had not been confirmed, although the doctors at the hospital said they believed he might have had a heart attack or a blood clot. (Related: Deadly shots: Even healthy teenagers, athletes and doctors are not safe with COVID-19 vaccines.)

    The athlete’s parents requested an autopsy, and while they did not know why their son was taken from them so soon, Clint said that the family is trusting God in the midst of the tragedy.

    “It was God’s will. We believe it was God’s will for this to happen. It was an unexplainable accident, and it’s just hard. It’s hard and it’s difficult to move on, but we’ve got to move on. But just as a family, we feel blessed that we’ve been able to have him,” he said.

    Erickson’s death came just two days shy of his 18th birthday.

    He was also set to appear in a production by his school’s drama department on Monday, but they postponed the event in the wake of his death.

    Some of his classmates and teachers spoke about him as they remembered his short life.

    “He’s one of those students that just comes around every now and then. And I really enjoyed working with him and he will be greatly missed,” said Rachel Belser, one of his teachers and a Beta Club sponsor.

    “He was somebody that always cared about you and would go out of his day to ask you how yours was and try to make it any type of like if you’re having a bad day, he could make it better,” his classmate, Delaney Donaldson said.

    While it was okay to be upset and mourn his passing, Donaldson said that it would not be something that Erickson would have wanted.

    “Today my mom was like Delaney are you going to go to school? And I was like I’m going to, I mean I’m going to try,” Donaldson shared. “And I was like I feel like I should because I know he wouldn’t be like wanting you to sit around the house just cry about it all day.”

    The high school held a bubble release for Erickson on Wednesday, Sept. 14, in honor of his 18th birthday.

    Erickson the latest in a string of athlete deaths

    Erickson’s death is the latest in a string of sudden deaths that have struck young athletes in recent weeks.

    A 17-year-old backup center on the football team of Rahway High School in central New Jersey died in his sleep last week.

    An 18-year-old lifeguard at San Benedetto del Tronto in Ital, Lorenzo Squillance, died shortly after beginning to “feel ill.”

    On August 30, Eli Palfreyman, a 20-year-old Canadian junior ice hockey star, died during the intermission of a game. He was named captain of his team in Ontario just days prior.

    All these happened in the midst of mass vaccination campaign against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), which has recently shifted its focus to vaccinating children and young adults. COVID-19 vaccines had been linked to an increased risk of developing heart inflammation.

    VaccineDeaths.com has more on healthy athletes suddenly dying of “unknown cases.”

    Watch this video for more information about athletes collapsing and getting cardiac arrests.
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    Quote India: 32-Year-Old Runner Dies Suddenly of a Heart Attack Near Finish Line

    SEP 20, 2022

    On Sunday, a 32-year-old runner collapsed and died suddenly from a heart attack a few hundred meters from the end of the popular 13-mile Satara Hill half marathon, the Times of India reported.

    Raj Kantilal Patel, a father of a six-month-old girl, collapsed near Parange Chowk, about 250 meters from the Finish line.

    “After he collapsed, the marathon organizers immediately took Patel to a hospital, where he was declared dead. We have registered a case of accidental death, and an investigation into the incident is on,” authorities said.

    We had heard about deaths happening in other Marathons all over the World,” SHHM said in a statement. “Our course being a hilly one, we always took extra care to make sure that we had the proper system in place to ensure the safety of runners in case of an emergency.”

    “The runner (Raj Patel from Kolhapur) had collapsed near Parange Chowk, about 250 meters from the Finish line. Fortunately, a cardiac ambulance was stationed right at the spot [where] he fell,” the post stated.

    “The volunteers at the spot tried their best to revive him & quickly put him inside the ambulance within a couple of minutes, which then sped away to the designated medical center. However, all efforts to resuscitate him went in vain & we lost this bright young runner in the prime of his life. We are still grappling to come to terms with this sudden bolt from the blue. One can only imagine what his family & friends must be going through.

    Our thoughts and prayers are with the bereaved family. All runners are a family. We have lost one of us. May the departed soul rest in peace. You went too soon dear Raj. We will miss you forever…” the post concluded.

    It was mentioned by one of the organizers that Patel was a professional badminton player on the international stage and a highly skilled athlete.

    Patel had also competed in multiple marathons and won, the most recent one being the Goa Marathon, according to the Times of India.

    The Satara Hill Half Marathon (SHHM) is the Ultra Half Marathon held annually in the historic city of Satara, India, and holds the GUINNESS WORLD RECORD for the ‘Most People in a Single Mountain Run.’

    In 2021, only those who have received both doses of the COVID immunization will be eligible to register for SHHM. For this year’s 11th edition, it is not clear if the organization still requires proof of COVID vaccination.
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    Quote Pakistani cricketer Shehzad Azam Rana died suddenly aged 36 following cardiac arrest

    By Matthew Roscoe • 01 October 2022 • 15:37

    Tributes pour in following the death of Pakistani cricketer Shehzad Azam Rana following a cardiac arrest at the age of 36, as reported on Friday, September 30.
    Shehzad Azam Rana, a Pakistani first-class cricketer, died on September 30, according to local media reports. Tributes have continued to flood social media on Saturday, October 1.

    According to reports, the fast bowler, who was the leading wicket-taker for Islamabad in the 2017-18 Quiad-e-Azam Trophy with 26 wickets, suffered a cardiac arrest at his home before his death, as reported by cricketpakistan.com.pk.

    He represented Pakistan A in 2015 and was a top-performing fast bowler, picking up 388 First Class wickets in 95 matches.

    Fans, cricketers and Indian influencers paid tribute to Shehzad Azam Rana following news of his sudden death.

    “Really shocking news,he was such a lovely boy with full of respect for everyone, may Allah give him high rank in jannah .thoughts and prayers with his family 🤲🤲💔” Sohail Tanveer wrote.

    The news comes a month after top Pakistani umpire Asad Rauf passed away suddenly and unexpectedly due to a cardiac arrest.

    Rauf officiated 170 international matches while being a top umpire with the ICC.
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    Quote Huawei veteran who led 2 of the company’s major businesses dies

    Ben Jiang, South China Morning Post
    Posted at Oct 09 2022 08:33 AM

    Ryan Ding Yun, a Huawei Technologies Co veteran who was at the helm of the Chinese company's most profitable business, died at age 53 in the wee hours of Friday from a sudden illness, the Shenzhen-based firm announced.

    Ding, born in 1969 and holding a master's degree from Southeast University in the eastern Chinese city of Nanjing, joined Huawei in 1996, rising through the ranks to become president at various departments, including global solution sales and global marketing.

    In January, Ding was promoted to president of the enterprise business group, while also serving as president of the carrier business group, putting him in command of two of Huawei's three major businesses. The carrier business group was the company's top earner last year, generating more than 281.4 billion yuan (US$39.5 billion) - roughly 44 per cent of the total revenue.

    Ding also served as deputy chairman of Huawei's supervisory board.

    In an obituary, Huawei credited Ding for having "worked diligently at Huawei for 26 years and made significant contributions to the company's growth and development". It asked its employees to focus on work and "turn grief into strength".

    While Huawei did not divulge the cause of Ding's death, local media reports said he died of heart arrest after taking part in a 28km marathon. Ding was an enthusiastic long-distance runner who spent almost all of his free time running, according to anonymous sources cited by one report.

    Ding led Huawei's enterprise and carrier business groups at a time when US sanctions have effectively crippled the company's consumer business, pushing the once-leading smartphone seller to boost other revenue sources.

    Ding's last public appearance was in September at Huawei Connect 2022, an annual event in which the company announces new products and solutions. There, he delivered a live-streamed speech demonstrating Huawei's role in driving innovation and showcasing bespoke client solutions.
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    Quote Mourning in the world of Romanian football! Alexandru Vagner died

    Friday 30th September 2022 04:14 AM 10

    Alexandru Ion Vagner died on Friday, September 30, at the age of 33. The former footballer who played 120 games in League 1 had suffered a heart attack 10 days ago and was in critical condition, admitted to the Emergency County Clinical Hospital in Brașov. Here is, in fact, the reason for the athlete’s death.

    Former League 1 footballer Alexandru Vagner suffered a heart attack on September 20, while training with a League 4 team. On the way to the locker room, the athlete collapsed on the field. Shortly after, a SMURD paramedic arrived to give him first aid, later the ambulance also arrived. After about an hour, Vagner was stabilized and rushed to the hospital.

    Being in critical condition, Alexandru Vagner was hospitalized for 10 days at the Emergency County Clinical Hospital in Brașov, and on Friday morning, September 30, 2022, he passed away, Monitorul Expres writes.

    In 2018, Vagner announced that he was retiring from football and dedicating all his time to poker. In the last months of his life, it seems that the former footballer complained of a state of fatigue due to sleepless nights and would have turned more and more often to energy drinks. This could be the reason why the athlete died.

    “I didn’t see any future in football. What to do? To live from day to day? I had come to have only money to eat! Then, the Concordia Chiajna and FC Braşov episodes made me quit. I was tricked, humiliated. I ended up not sleeping at night from stress! The advantage in poker is that you don’t have a boss, you make your schedule as you want.

    I can say that I am happy, because now I can do things that I was not allowed to do when I was playing football. I do not regret the decision taken to give up football. Not at all”declared Vagner, at the time of the withdrawal.

    Throughout his career, Vagner played at Gloria Bistrița, Minaur Baia Mare, Forex Brașov, FCM Tg. Mureș, FC Brașov, Chiajna, and Petrolul. He ended his career in 2018, after one year at SR Brașov.
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    Although he is famous and many of us will miss him, he is not quite an athlete in the traditional sense so I will make this a one-liner:

    Acclaimed artist Kim Jung Gi, age 47 dies of a sudden heart attack
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    Bodybuilder And Fitness Author Doug Brignole Has Passed Away At 63 Years Old
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    Tributes pour in as bodybuilder and fitness author dies aged 62
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