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    Hello folks, I came across some resources a while ago, it was in an old bookmark from my last crashed browser and I just recovered the links , these links are mostly about permaculture, farmstead and homestead communities, it has a little bit of everything and it can be very useful for reference from time to time, some of the websites you will be required to have an account in order to visualize their maps, yes, they have maps with properties across the world, these are very interesting projects from very basic constructions to totally fancy ones.. enjoy.

    Worldwide Permaculture Projects
    (A growing list of permaculture projects worldwide)
    Link: https://permacultureglobal.org/projects

    Regenerative Farm Map
    (if you are looking for specific farm products in specific areas - a way to fancy for my taste, but may be useful for someone)
    Link: https://regenerationinternational.or...ative-farm-map

    Freedom Cells
    (Freedom Cells are peer to peer groups organizing themselves in a decentralized manner with the collective goal of asserting the sovereignty of group members through peaceful resistance and the creation of alternative institutions.)
    Link: https://freedomcells.org/ (My favorite)

    Foundation for Intentional Communities
    (At a time when too many of us feel isolated and alone, intentional communities offer more sustainable and just ways of living together. The Foundation for Intentional Community (FIC) has over 35 years of service to a growing movement of people joining and building intentional communities.)
    Link: https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
    (They have: interactive map to search for communities, a classifieds list and resource materials, they are doing it for a long time)

    Global Ecovillage Network
    (An ecovillage is an intentional, traditional or urban community that is consciously designing its pathway through locally owned, participatory processes, and aiming to address the Ecovillage Principles in the 4 Areas of Regeneration (social, culture, ecology, economy into a whole systems design).)
    Link: https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/

    Workaway
    (This website works as a community gathering where hosts register their projects in order to "workawayers" find them, the projects goes from schools in remote villages to cob houses in very remote areas all around the world)
    Link: https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlist
    Here is one example how it works, for those looking into integrate into a community already established: https://www.workaway.info/en/host/716144185555

    Everything WWOOF (WorldWide Opportunities on Organic Farms)
    (WWOOF organisations connect people who want to live and learn on organic farms and small-holdings with people who want to share their knowledge and way of life.)
    Link: https://wwoofinternational.org
    If memory don't fail me, WWOOF is one of the first organizations doing it online, they are solid in this sort of thing of connecting communities.
    Here you can find local WWOOF, by using the map it will lead to a local WWOOF website - https://wwoof.net/destinations/
    and another one
    WWOOF Independents
    (WorldWide Opportunities on Organic Farms, Independents (WWOOF Independents) is part of a worldwide movement linking visitors with organic farmers, promote a cultural and educational exchange, and build a global community conscious of ecological farming and sustainability practices.)
    Link: https://wwoofindependents.org/

    Volunteers Base
    (Volunteers Base is a moneyless help exchange network, it's free and always will be! Hosts in need of helping hands list their Projects and Volunteers interested in joining can get in touch. Projects can be almost anything: farming, building, hostels, language teaching, house-sitting, community work, arts & crafts, housekeeping, etc.)
    Link: https://www.volunteersbase.com/
    Even some of these websites looks more like a traveler website, they still provide lots of information about the property/project/homestead/permaculture which is the focus of this thread.

    Landbuddy
    (The Landbuddy section helps you find others to go off-grid with and the free classifieds are full of ads for off the grid real estate as well as personals and jobs. We have the best lonely hearts colimns in the off-grid world.)
    Link: https://www.off-grid.net/landbuddy/
    I even registered my place with them a while ago when I was looking for some friendly help with the land.


    p.s. I will be posting more links here on this opening post as soon as I organize my bookmarks, in the meanwhile if you have any link to share please pile up.
    Just a warning, some of these links I am posting are fully in line with the new green deal related stuffs like (COP26 climate change emergency bullsh!t), but it does not mean there is no ideas in the mix, the links are more related to projects pin pointed in the maps, there are a great number of projects world wide, so much ideas that can be adapted and so on..
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    Hello folks, I came across some resources a while ago, it was in an old bookmark from my last crashed browser and I just recovered the links , these links are mostly about permaculture, farmstead and homestead communities, it has a little bit of everything and it can be very useful for reference from time to time, some of the websites you will be required to have an account in order to visualize their maps, yes, they have maps with properties across the world, these are very interesting projects from very basic constructions to totally fancy ones.. enjoy.

    Worldwide Permaculture Projects
    (A growing list of permaculture projects worldwide)
    Link: https://permacultureglobal.org/projects

    Regenerative Farm Map
    (if you are looking for specific farm products in specific areas - a way to fancy for my taste, but may be useful for someone)
    Link: https://regenerationinternational.or...ative-farm-map

    Freedom Cells
    (Freedom Cells are peer to peer groups organizing themselves in a decentralized manner with the collective goal of asserting the sovereignty of group members through peaceful resistance and the creation of alternative institutions.)
    Link: https://freedomcells.org/ (My favorite)

    Foundation for Intentional Communities
    (At a time when too many of us feel isolated and alone, intentional communities offer more sustainable and just ways of living together. The Foundation for Intentional Community (FIC) has over 35 years of service to a growing movement of people joining and building intentional communities.)
    Link: https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
    (They have: interactive map to search for communities, a classifieds list and resource materials, they are doing it for a long time)

    Global Ecovillage Network
    (An ecovillage is an intentional, traditional or urban community that is consciously designing its pathway through locally owned, participatory processes, and aiming to address the Ecovillage Principles in the 4 Areas of Regeneration (social, culture, ecology, economy into a whole systems design).)
    Link: https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/


    p.s. I will be posting more links soon I organized my bookmark, in the meanwhile if you have any link to share please pile up.
    Just a warning, some of these links I am posting are fully in line with the new green deal related stuffs like (COP26 climate change emergency bullsh!t), but it does not mean there is no ideas in the mix, the links are more related to projects pin pointed in the maps, there are a great number of projects world wide, so much ideas that can be adapted and so on..
    palehorce, thank you so much for this uplifting and practicle thread. I will go through your information and can hopefully add something to this. Just wanted you to know your efforts are appreciated.

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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    Hello folks, I came across some resources a while ago, it was in an old bookmark from my last crashed browser and I just recovered the links , these links are mostly about permaculture, farmstead and homestead communities, it has a little bit of everything and it can be very useful for reference from time to time, some of the websites you will be required to have an account in order to visualize their maps, yes, they have maps with properties across the world, these are very interesting projects from very basic constructions to totally fancy ones.. enjoy.

    Worldwide Permaculture Projects
    (A growing list of permaculture projects worldwide)
    Link: https://permacultureglobal.org/projects

    Regenerative Farm Map
    (if you are looking for specific farm products in specific areas - a way to fancy for my taste, but may be useful for someone)
    Link: https://regenerationinternational.or...ative-farm-map

    Freedom Cells
    (Freedom Cells are peer to peer groups organizing themselves in a decentralized manner with the collective goal of asserting the sovereignty of group members through peaceful resistance and the creation of alternative institutions.)
    Link: https://freedomcells.org/ (My favorite)

    Foundation for Intentional Communities
    (At a time when too many of us feel isolated and alone, intentional communities offer more sustainable and just ways of living together. The Foundation for Intentional Community (FIC) has over 35 years of service to a growing movement of people joining and building intentional communities.)
    Link: https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
    (They have: interactive map to search for communities, a classifieds list and resource materials, they are doing it for a long time)

    Global Ecovillage Network
    (An ecovillage is an intentional, traditional or urban community that is consciously designing its pathway through locally owned, participatory processes, and aiming to address the Ecovillage Principles in the 4 Areas of Regeneration (social, culture, ecology, economy into a whole systems design).)
    Link: https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/


    p.s. I will be posting more links soon I organized my bookmark, in the meanwhile if you have any link to share please pile up.
    Just a warning, some of these links I am posting are fully in line with the new green deal related stuffs like (COP26 climate change emergency bullsh!t), but it does not mean there is no ideas in the mix, the links are more related to projects pin pointed in the maps, there are a great number of projects world wide, so much ideas that can be adapted and so on..
    palehorce, thank you so much for this uplifting and practicle thread. I will go through your information and can hopefully add something to this. Just wanted you to know your efforts are appreciated.

    Thank you Pam

    I still going through all these websites, it is quite a lot of data, but I will try to filter it, since there is some project that looks like they are abandoned.
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    Bump!!!

    I am feeding the opening post only with the links to keep it organized and easy to find. More links to come soon.
    If you know more places that can help those looking for work or even join some community, please post here, doesn't matter where you are located, there is always someone around you in need, that is the time to help each other, situation world wide is deteriorating pretty fast, lots of people without income, time to break free from the matrix of control and be ourselves and live in accordance with the natural laws of the planet.

    Screw the globalists bastards with their useless solutions!
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    Thanks for this thread! I enjoyed gradually looking through the links, because for each idiot-ization which we study in the world, we also deserve to consider just how world peace is made, through the vocations of building and communications. For my work, I am still trying to find a medium for sharing structural concepts based on experimentation, but such things are still too undeveloped for merging with "homesteads, farmsteads, apprenticeships, or careers".

    ... I left home as a teen on variations of forerunners, of this kind of path, although in the 1960s things were crude without the www and, as my U.S. parents were expats back then, working in Italy, I went to what was termed in the old days, as a "volunteer youth work camp" in the mountains of southern Italy... I had wanted to capitalistically earn money, but as a foreigner-teen, I could only start as a volunteer, (and I am grateful, looking back).

    The choice of a life plan is left to the individual and in my long life it dawned on me that mankind has not properly defined the meaning of life, where life is found as a succession of lives, and therefore a progression of life lessons leading somewhere rationally. Capitalism and politics fake instant solutions and fixes for problems, while mankind is still barely deciphering the distinctions of slavery and prosperity.

    These 'volunteer' programs sound like good options for wondering souls, who are looking for peaceful experiences; and, oddly enough the above linked "find-a-place-maps", have as yet posted no markers for Italy! This might be due to the gradual sorting out of international blogger- networks, still hard at work listing everything. The current evolution of the Italian organization, (dating back decades), may have become more internationalized as of today, for the time being, adding Italy as a member:

    https://www.worldpackers.com/search/europe/italy

    I like the emphasis on work with traveling "to see the world", (peacefully instead of militarily or colonially).

    https://www.worldpackers.com/programs
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    Good and useful thread!

    Just out of curiosity, I checked the Belgian ecovillages on the map (ecovillage.org). One seems to be pretty active. Here is the English website:
    https://aya-nature.one/aya-nature-centre/
    Personally I am looking at creating a small ecovillage like this, but not in Belgium.
    I will post more info on PA, it may be possible to get together in zoom for instance.
    Anyone interested in participating, send me a PM.
    Thanks!

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    The Permaculture research institute has a wonderful forum with a diversity of topics. Thanks for the heads up. This is lots of fun and very interesting.

    I have almost three acres of land that I have created a small orchard and do raised bed gardening. I compost and just love the whole process of the cycle of life. There is always so much more to learn. It is always a refinement process, you try one thing and then fine tune it. I would love to take one of those hands on courses. No matter how long I do this there is always more to learn, new variable to consider, new bugs that become a challenge. I love it!!!

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    Thanks for this thread! I enjoyed gradually looking through the links, because for each idiot-ization which we study in the world, we also deserve to consider just how world peace is made, through the vocations of building and communications. For my work, I am still trying to find a medium for sharing structural concepts based on experimentation, but such things are still too undeveloped for merging with "homesteads, farmsteads, apprenticeships, or careers".

    ... I left home as a teen on variations of forerunners, of this kind of path, although in the 1960s things were crude without the www and, as my U.S. parents were expats back then, working in Italy, I went to what was termed in the old days, as a "volunteer youth work camp" in the mountains of southern Italy... I had wanted to capitalistically earn money, but as a foreigner-teen, I could only start as a volunteer, (and I am grateful, looking back).

    The choice of a life plan is left to the individual and in my long life it dawned on me that mankind has not properly defined the meaning of life, where life is found as a succession of lives, and therefore a progression of life lessons leading somewhere rationally. Capitalism and politics fake instant solutions and fixes for problems, while mankind is still barely deciphering the distinctions of slavery and prosperity.

    These 'volunteer' programs sound like good options for wondering souls, who are looking for peaceful experiences; and, oddly enough the above linked "find-a-place-maps", have as yet posted no markers for Italy! This might be due to the gradual sorting out of international blogger- networks, still hard at work listing everything. The current evolution of the Italian organization, (dating back decades), may have become more internationalized as of today, for the time being, adding Italy as a member:

    https://www.worldpackers.com/search/europe/italy

    I like the emphasis on work with traveling "to see the world", (peacefully instead of militarily or colonially).

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    In regarding of your first paragraph if I understood it well.. I would like to recommend the series "Building Off the Grid" which is specific about structures and building methods, it goes from geodesic domes to huts in the mountains to cob houses, timber houses and a lot more, of course there is no house plans involved in the show, but it gives the big picture and I think that is a start. The show is about to build unique homes in very remote areas, the series started in 2014 and they have already 12 seasons, I didn't watch the entire thing, I just picked the ones that interested me like Cob Houses, Bamboo Houses, Cliff Houses, Earthhome, Domes in Desert, Cabin in Desert, Timber houses, etc.. The show is not supposed to be watched as a sequel, then pick your favorite.

    Here is the show I am referring to: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6780072/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
    to download it, you could try:
    https://torrentgalaxy.to/torrents.ph...e.Grid#results
    https://thepiratebay.org/search.php?...age=0&orderby=
    https://1337x.to/search/Building+Off+the+Grid/1/
    https://www.limetorrents.pro/search/...-Off-the-Grid/

    p.s. I remember it took me a while to download the ones I wanted, lack of seeders mostly.

    Thanks for the worldpackers link, it is quite big community with lots of offers everywhere, I browsed for about 30 minutes and found all sorts of jobs not only related to natural building, farming/permaculture.. it is a great option for anyone looking to have experience in another country, perhaps learning a new language, new skills, etc..

    Seems much safer to travel in program like this, than travel all alone, unfortunately the time I was a traveler there was nothing like this online, GPS was only for rich people, I used to have paper maps of countries (quite a load for the backpack) haha, nowadays things are much easier to get basically anywhere in the world.

    oh yeah, solarpunk society is a great movement going on for a while now, I first came into contact with that when I was researching about micronations back in 2014, but I guess the idea is much much older than that. Thanks to mention that, sure is something to learn more from.
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    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    Good and useful thread!

    Just out of curiosity, I checked the Belgian ecovillages on the map (ecovillage.org). One seems to be pretty active. Here is the English website:
    https://aya-nature.one/aya-nature-centre/
    Personally I am looking at creating a small ecovillage like this, but not in Belgium.
    I will post more info on PA, it may be possible to get together in zoom for instance.
    Anyone interested in participating, send me a PM.
    Thanks!

    Hi Johan, AyA is a beautiful project, I am still browsing all these places, there is many interesting ideas.
    Where are you planning to start your project? I am a bit curious, will it be an Avalon project or personal?

    a bit off-topic here:
    Regarding zoom, I am very concerned in exposing myself on internet today (no worries I am not on the run haha), concerned because zoom last year had more or less half million accounts being sold on tor onion sites (aka dark web - black market), some accounts for free in hacking forums and not only account but actually video records of zoom users, also zoom can access users audio/video (there is no privacy at all - all the data in unencrypted in servers elsewhere) and I am not okay with that.
    I used Skype for almost 10 years, after microsoft acquired it, they created a microsoft account for me without my consent and it was automatically connected with my credit card and personal data, at that point I cancelled the credit card and the accounts all together.

    https://rakeshkrish.medium.com/zoom-...s-89b962b9ac2e

    I am a bit paranoid with the current situation in the world and better not to risk (speaking for myself only), I heard in one or two states in USA is forbidden to collect rain water, I can only imagine they will be charging for air in the future.
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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    The Permaculture research institute has a wonderful forum with a diversity of topics. Thanks for the heads up. This is lots of fun and very interesting.

    I have almost three acres of land that I have created a small orchard and do raised bed gardening. I compost and just love the whole process of the cycle of life. There is always so much more to learn. It is always a refinement process, you try one thing and then fine tune it. I would love to take one of those hands on courses. No matter how long I do this there is always more to learn, new variable to consider, new bugs that become a challenge. I love it!!!

    That's wonderful Pam, nice size lots of space, anything between 1 and 5 acres is perfect to manage.
    Our place here is half the size of yours, but for now I am not actively working on it, I wish I could be there right now.
    You mean a PDC ? If yes, me too but I never had the time to immerse myself deep into, it takes at least 2 months, maybe one day who knows..

    please let me know if you engage into one.

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    Sawadee Palehorse!

    Good questions...

    Where starting this project?

    Basically, I am first of all looking for countries where it is possible to start this project.
    So far, Ireland and Costa Rica came up. But I know there are others too. I have some requirements
    that are particular (personal and financial) to my own situation.

    Then, when a country is "suitable", then physical places have to be located/found. I once found such
    a place in Ireland (this one: https://www.boghill.com/) but I got "gazumped" after I already had paid
    a deposit. If you have a look at the place, you will understand why I felt it was appropriate and ideal.

    Sadly, my experiences in Ireland (spread over 3 years and dozens of properties) have taught me that almost
    in every single case, the OWNERS were "rogue", which seems to go against the nature of the Irish. I also
    met Irish people, just without any property-related intentions, and these were just great. I was pretty
    fortunate to have a good solicitor and surveyor (or it would have cost me dearly; now these did not come
    for free either, they charged a lot but at least were honest and did a very good job).I have all but "dropped
    completely" Ireland as a possibility. Also their Covid-rules, the travel hindrances... have to be taken in
    consideration.

    Costa Rica is still "an option", but there also are difficulties (traveling to any place there would take
    at least 15 hours one way from Europe). And their Covid-rules also just "got stricter".

    In planning, it is a "heck of a job" to even try to figure out what may happen in any country
    (Covid-related and other), when thinking of starting a project there.
    But I am not someone who gives up that easily.

    My search continues.

    Will it be an Avalon project?
    Well, probably not, as this has been tried before (in Ecuador) and there are many reasons why this would be
    hard to do. Maybe not impossible though. But for me, Ecuador is "not possible", as are all/most South-American
    countries.

    There are other reasons. Most Avalonians are just not in a position to leave families, jobs or country. Or
    have very little funds to do so. Not that tht would be a main reason, but it certainly plays. That's why
    I think most are looking for possibilities in their own neighbourhoods. Which is understandable.

    Maybe also read a thread I started in August 2019, way before the Covid-craze.
    ("Gatherings for Avalonians" in the Off-Topic section, started on August 13th 2019)
    I had thought that there would be a lot more interest (because it was so affordable) from fellow European Avalonians.
    Wondering why, one reason may well be that most on this forum value "being incognito" so much.
    Again, very understandble, even more so today.

    Now, I DO think that the project, if and when it materializes, would be in the first place be along the lines of
    what PA-ers would want. But it should be "larger/wider" I think; the PA community is "for everybody" but not every
    body feels "at home" here though; it takes unusual people to know what PA is about. But you know all that.

    That's why anyone reading this is invited to PM me so that (s)he can be informed, if they wish to be.

    I realize all to well that while the "need" is much higher now than it was 2 or 3 years ago, it is also a lot
    harder to manifest it. But one does what one can, we all have our Purposes as well as talents, and hopefully all
    of us do what we can, where we can.

    Yes, being "a bit" paranoid is quite normal. I know what you mean with the skype and zoom remarks, but then it remains,
    how to communicate "safely" amongst the ones that are interested? We can't do everything by PM's on PA, emails (which ones?), maybe Telegram (but is that even 100% "safe?). Good solutions are always welcome!

    Yet, this thread is a good one to "brainstorm" further. Everyone can join! And we will see where it can lead to.
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    Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.
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    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    Sawadee Palehorse!

    Good questions...

    Where starting this project?

    Basically, I am first of all looking for countries where it is possible to start this project.
    So far, Ireland and Costa Rica came up. But I know there are others too. I have some requirements
    that are particular (personal and financial) to my own situation.

    Then, when a country is "suitable", then physical places have to be located/found. I once found such
    a place in Ireland (this one: https://www.boghill.com/) but I got "gazumped" after I already had paid
    a deposit. If you have a look at the place, you will understand why I felt it was appropriate and ideal.

    Sadly, my experiences in Ireland (spread over 3 years and dozens of properties) have taught me that almost
    in every single case, the OWNERS were "rogue", which seems to go against the nature of the Irish. I also
    met Irish people, just without any property-related intentions, and these were just great. I was pretty
    fortunate to have a good solicitor and surveyor (or it would have cost me dearly; now these did not come
    for free either, they charged a lot but at least were honest and did a very good job).I have all but "dropped
    completely" Ireland as a possibility. Also their Covid-rules, the travel hindrances... have to be taken in
    consideration.

    Costa Rica is still "an option", but there also are difficulties (traveling to any place there would take
    at least 15 hours one way from Europe). And their Covid-rules also just "got stricter".

    In planning, it is a "heck of a job" to even try to figure out what may happen in any country
    (Covid-related and other), when thinking of starting a project there.
    But I am not someone who gives up that easily.

    My search continues.

    Will it be an Avalon project?
    Well, probably not, as this has been tried before (in Ecuador) and there are many reasons why this would be
    hard to do. Maybe not impossible though. But for me, Ecuador is "not possible", as are all/most South-American
    countries.

    There are other reasons. Most Avalonians are just not in a position to leave families, jobs or country. Or
    have very little funds to do so. Not that tht would be a main reason, but it certainly plays. That's why
    I think most are looking for possibilities in their own neighbourhoods. Which is understandable.

    Maybe also read a thread I started in August 2019, way before the Covid-craze.
    ("Gatherings for Avalonians" in the Off-Topic section, started on August 13th 2019)
    I had thought that there would be a lot more interest (because it was so affordable) from fellow European Avalonians.
    Wondering why, one reason may well be that most on this forum value "being incognito" so much.
    Again, very understandble, even more so today.

    Now, I DO think that the project, if and when it materializes, would be in the first place be along the lines of
    what PA-ers would want. But it should be "larger/wider" I think; the PA community is "for everybody" but not every
    body feels "at home" here though; it takes unusual people to know what PA is about. But you know all that.

    That's why anyone reading this is invited to PM me so that (s)he can be informed, if they wish to be.

    I realize all to well that while the "need" is much higher now than it was 2 or 3 years ago, it is also a lot
    harder to manifest it. But one does what one can, we all have our Purposes as well as talents, and hopefully all
    of us do what we can, where we can.

    Yes, being "a bit" paranoid is quite normal. I know what you mean with the skype and zoom remarks, but then it remains,
    how to communicate "safely" amongst the ones that are interested? We can't do everything by PM's on PA, emails (which ones?), maybe Telegram (but is that even 100% "safe?). Good solutions are always welcome!

    Yet, this thread is a good one to "brainstorm" further. Everyone can join! And we will see where it can lead to.
    Yes moving around is a challenged, So I have settled in the neighborhood as you mentioned. Also Family is the primary reason for not moving abroad. although here it has relaxed a bit. no need for swab test upon landing on the city also some bans are lifted. Hopefully same in other places and will get better in the near future. Right now still staying in the city more but starting next week I will be staying more in the mountains. I'm excited with the move but my biggest challenge in moving is how to protect my 98 heads 4 week old chicks and the 75 eggs soon to be chicks currently hatching in my incubator, since the place in the mountains is a lot colder than in the city. And still no electricity though 150 meters from the nearest grid pole.

    Good luck to you and others on your hunt for a place to stay. May the force and the blessings be upon you.
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    The Permaculture research institute has a wonderful forum with a diversity of topics. Thanks for the heads up. This is lots of fun and very interesting.

    I have almost three acres of land that I have created a small orchard and do raised bed gardening. I compost and just love the whole process of the cycle of life. There is always so much more to learn. It is always a refinement process, you try one thing and then fine tune it. I would love to take one of those hands on courses. No matter how long I do this there is always more to learn, new variable to consider, new bugs that become a challenge. I love it!!!
    Yes his is the kind of challenged that is also a lot more fun at the same time. Like we are doing kidplays. Can't wait to put all the learning on off grid living accumulated for may many years.

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    Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.
    Hey Bubu here you go, but not so many in Philippines if compared to US.

    https://regenerationinternational.or...ative-farm-map
    found another one on google: https://koberwitz1924.com/join-us/
    found some members here on freedomcell, but you gonna need an account to use their map: https://freedomcells.org/find-member...=fs&country=PH (not quite sure it return properties, I guess they are a group)
    here another 2 properties https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
    and here another 7 properties https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/ (this one seems to be the best website with more options, found a few in Thailand which has not many as well).
    and here is a good one to become a host and register your property if you need help - https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlis...&ct=&distance= (quite a few in Philippines)
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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.
    Hey Bubu here you go, but not so many in Philippines if compared to US.

    https://regenerationinternational.or...ative-farm-map
    found another one on google: https://koberwitz1924.com/join-us/
    found some members here on freedomcell, but you gonna need an account to use their map: https://freedomcells.org/find-member...=fs&country=PH (not quite sure it return properties, I guess they are a group)
    here another 2 properties https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
    and here another 7 properties https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/ (this one seems to be the best website with more options, found a few in Thailand which has not many as well).
    and here is a good one to become a host and register your property if you need help - https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlis...&ct=&distance= (quite a few in Philippines)
    Thak you so much for taking the time, that's so nice of you. Intentional communities and ecovillage is not new to me. I visit the site every now and then. l also use to travel on workaways. Palawan is a very nice place. Lots of foreign visitors in that Island. El nido is a tourist friendly place. You can sleep in the streets and no one will rob you. Local Folks there protect tourist because its their livelihood. But Palawan is not an option now. I was suppose to fly to El nido Palawan to retire there, with bags all packed, But CV lockdown came 9 days ahead.

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    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    Sawadee Palehorse!

    Good questions...

    Where starting this project?

    Basically, I am first of all looking for countries where it is possible to start this project.
    So far, Ireland and Costa Rica came up. But I know there are others too. I have some requirements
    that are particular (personal and financial) to my own situation.

    Then, when a country is "suitable", then physical places have to be located/found. I once found such
    a place in Ireland (this one: https://www.boghill.com/) but I got "gazumped" after I already had paid
    a deposit. If you have a look at the place, you will understand why I felt it was appropriate and ideal.

    Sadly, my experiences in Ireland (spread over 3 years and dozens of properties) have taught me that almost
    in every single case, the OWNERS were "rogue", which seems to go against the nature of the Irish. I also
    met Irish people, just without any property-related intentions, and these were just great. I was pretty
    fortunate to have a good solicitor and surveyor (or it would have cost me dearly; now these did not come
    for free either, they charged a lot but at least were honest and did a very good job).I have all but "dropped
    completely" Ireland as a possibility. Also their Covid-rules, the travel hindrances... have to be taken in
    consideration.

    Costa Rica is still "an option", but there also are difficulties (traveling to any place there would take
    at least 15 hours one way from Europe). And their Covid-rules also just "got stricter".

    In planning, it is a "heck of a job" to even try to figure out what may happen in any country
    (Covid-related and other), when thinking of starting a project there.
    But I am not someone who gives up that easily.

    My search continues.

    Will it be an Avalon project?
    Well, probably not, as this has been tried before (in Ecuador) and there are many reasons why this would be
    hard to do. Maybe not impossible though. But for me, Ecuador is "not possible", as are all/most South-American
    countries.

    There are other reasons. Most Avalonians are just not in a position to leave families, jobs or country. Or
    have very little funds to do so. Not that tht would be a main reason, but it certainly plays. That's why
    I think most are looking for possibilities in their own neighbourhoods. Which is understandable.

    Maybe also read a thread I started in August 2019, way before the Covid-craze.
    ("Gatherings for Avalonians" in the Off-Topic section, started on August 13th 2019)
    I had thought that there would be a lot more interest (because it was so affordable) from fellow European Avalonians.
    Wondering why, one reason may well be that most on this forum value "being incognito" so much.
    Again, very understandble, even more so today.

    Now, I DO think that the project, if and when it materializes, would be in the first place be along the lines of
    what PA-ers would want. But it should be "larger/wider" I think; the PA community is "for everybody" but not every
    body feels "at home" here though; it takes unusual people to know what PA is about. But you know all that.

    That's why anyone reading this is invited to PM me so that (s)he can be informed, if they wish to be.

    I realize all to well that while the "need" is much higher now than it was 2 or 3 years ago, it is also a lot
    harder to manifest it. But one does what one can, we all have our Purposes as well as talents, and hopefully all
    of us do what we can, where we can.

    Yes, being "a bit" paranoid is quite normal. I know what you mean with the skype and zoom remarks, but then it remains,
    how to communicate "safely" amongst the ones that are interested? We can't do everything by PM's on PA, emails (which ones?), maybe Telegram (but is that even 100% "safe?). Good solutions are always welcome!

    Yet, this thread is a good one to "brainstorm" further. Everyone can join! And we will see where it can lead to.

    Sawadee Krap Johan

    Thank you for the explanation, appreciated that.
    and WOW Ireland is so beautiful, what are those cliffs, just wow.

    You are doing what I didn't when I decided to move full time to Thailand, I knew TH before from previous travels but never knew enough about the people, the places, local customs, laws, etc.. I didn't research enough before moving here I just knew a few key things and for that time was fine, but after living in a country for 14 years (in and out) you end up learning the hard way, I think there is no perfect places, there is places that is better than others and I am sure you will find it because you committed to that.

    If there is anything you want to know in more specifics about Thailand if I can be of any help just let me know, one important thing about this country, foreign can not have land in his own name, but it is possible to do it using a company, but even with a company there are "limitations" (land size for example, allowed small plot only) and there is no much way around, it has to be owned by a Thai citizen or a Thai/Foreign Limited Company (foreign 49%, 51% divided into 2 Thai citizens), for projects like yours would even be necessary to have a good lawyer to overlook the entire process of land acquisition and also to make all clearance with documents, land taxes, previous debts (if applicable), etc.. etc... and it apply to any country, not only here, better safe than sorry, but sure you already know that.

    In regarding of CV policies, I don't think it will just go away, there will be more restrictions everywhere, kind of a new normal BS, I hope to be wrong but the way things are, I am not so sure.

    I will bookmark that thread "Gatherings for Avalonians", I probably missed it.

    About the the communication App, I used to use it more often in the past, it is called Jabber and today it has capabilities of voice and video just like zoom or any other modern App, it is based on XMPP protocol (here is their website: https://xmpp.org) which is open source and free for use, many of the big techies like facebook messenger, whatsapp, gtalk (defunct by now), skype had or still have their messenger apps based on XMPP protocol or allow to turn that on/off. On Linux I am using `Gajim` (client App for Linux/Windows), on Android I use Blabber.im (which is a fork of Conversations but much faster) or `Conversations` original (not bad but slow sometimes), they have encryption available via PGP, OpenPGP and OMEMO (end-to-end encryption), connections to the XMPP server uses Direct TLS, also allow proxy over it. It is even safer if you own your server, I use a public server called https://404.city from time to time, there is many others available, XMPP is an old technology available for more than 20 years but still not popular because it has no marketing, it is just the underlayer tech most big tech took advantage nowadays.

    I used to have a server on my own until a few years ago, I used ejabberd (https://www.ejabberd.im/) and prosody.im (https://prosody.im/) servers (prosody is easier to work with), I terminated the server because I had almost nobody using it that time and it was kind of extra cost in my expenses, but that time when everybody was introducing video/audio calls I felt behind and could not implement it in my server, also it would cost a way more in bandwidth and resources, has to be a dedicated server for things run smooth.

    I truly wish very good luck in your searching, I know how difficult these things are, keep us posted in the future.
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    Thanks for the links. I went through them ( on some went again). Did not find any in the Philippines so I guess, still looking for like minded people to have fun with together with my 22 pekin ducks and more than 150 free range chicks on a 1 hectare land up in the mountains. Ducks is expected to start laying eggs anytime. So this is my source of food and the would be chicken some meat probably, but most importantly fertilizer for my plants since I wont be using any chemicals.
    Hey Bubu here you go, but not so many in Philippines if compared to US.

    https://regenerationinternational.or...ative-farm-map
    found another one on google: https://koberwitz1924.com/join-us/
    found some members here on freedomcell, but you gonna need an account to use their map: https://freedomcells.org/find-member...=fs&country=PH (not quite sure it return properties, I guess they are a group)
    here another 2 properties https://www.ic.org/directory/maps/
    and here another 7 properties https://ecovillage.org/projects/map/ (this one seems to be the best website with more options, found a few in Thailand which has not many as well).
    and here is a good one to become a host and register your property if you need help - https://www.workaway.info/en/hostlis...&ct=&distance= (quite a few in Philippines)
    Thak you so much for taking the time, that's so nice of you. Intentional communities and ecovillage is not new to me. I visit the site every now and then. l also use to travel on workaways. Palawan is a very nice place. Lots of foreign visitors in that Island. El nido is a tourist friendly place. You can sleep in the streets and no one will rob you. Local Folks there protect tourist because its their livelihood. But Palawan is not an option now. I was suppose to fly to El nido Palawan to retire there, with bags all packed, But CV lockdown came 9 days ahead.

    and thank you to let us know about the the locations that are friendly to foreign visitors, that's what I talk to people around me, the best information is the local information that we share with each other, we can't rely on the big media to know things like that.
    somehow Philippines is similar in some aspects, here the locals also take good care of foreign because they depend on that, well at least they did, because the tourism here is quite dead now, I see just a few unknown faces around and most are Chinese.
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    Hi, came across this podcast about permaculture and spiritual awakening with Jim Gale, it mostly talk about food forest and communities around the world, it worth the time watching.

    Creating Food & Spiritual Abundance with Jim Gale

    The podcast can be found here:

    https://storage.pinecast.net/podcast...1_Jim_Gale.mp3

    ref.: https://foodforestabundance.com/

    It worth to mention that I came across this podcast after searching for "coop methods" to put people together to build stuffs, work on the land, community gardens, etc.. and he speaks about that at 22 mins. he seems to have a very successful method called "food forest cooperative", and of course it is a business for him, teaching people how to prepare and grow food, a landscaping business model with a few add-ons, but what I am looking is not to start a business like that but learn from elements that make these sort of business successful and try to apply in a new open model where people can get together and actually do something, even when you are flat broke economically speaking, like he pointed out about people creating food forest in very poor areas in the suburbs of large cities. It can be done everywhere.

    I truly believe there is ways to mitigate so many problems in society (specially about nutrition and well being) and give a middle finger to the government's dependency, we just need methods to approach it and do it.
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    I caught myself looking to this picture today and it was not a quick look.



    ref.: Permaculture Designers Manual by Bill Mollison Pag. 24 - Figure 2.3 (Industrial Methods of Producing an egg!)
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