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    This is so important, I'm now convinced it deserves its own thread.

    There are three levels of introduction. Here's a short (rather flowery, but worthwhile) summary 13 minute piece that was nicely edited from a recent interview with Dr Robert Malone. It's already been posted several times, deservedly so.


    The source interview for that, twice as long (25 mins), is here:

    https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=619daea08153a665791f3fb6



    But the pièce de résistance is Chris Martenson's new interview with the man himself, Mattias Desmet.

    This presentation (69 mins) is a critically important work of what I think might qualify as near-genius. It explains all the human behavior we've been seeing — everywhere. I cannot recommend this too highly.

    It's the kind of detailed thesis that (if one had time!) one might want to pause the video frequently and take good notes. It's here on YouTube right now, but is also on Odysee here if YT removes it. Again, I stress: this is really, really good.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This is so important, I'm now convinced it deserves its own thread.

    There are three levels of introduction. Here's a short (rather flowery, but worthwhile) summary 13 minute piece that was nicely edited from a recent interview with Dr Robert Malone. It's already been posted several times, deservedly so.


    The source interview for that, twice as long (25 mins), is here:

    https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=619daea08153a665791f3fb6



    But the pièce de résistance is Chris Martenson's new interview with the man himself, Mattias Desmet.

    This presentation (69 mins) is a critically important work of what I think might qualify as near-genius. It explains all the human behavior we've been seeing — everywhere. I cannot recommend this too highly.

    It's the kind of detailed thesis that (if one had time!) one might want to pause the video frequently and take good notes. It's here on YouTube right now, but is also on Odysee here if YT removes it. Again, I stress: this is really, really good.

    "What is at risk? EVERYTHING"



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    Default Re: Mass hypnosis, or "Mass formation": how large populations become extreme

    I think this goes here.

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    This is really good. I cry quite often how I can't help anyone. Friends and relatives, work buddies, all of them get the jab. All of them willingly seek and receive the death shot. People offering their beautiful children, these innocent babies.
    I feel so alone
    I try, I do, but people just get triggered at any information contrary to their beliefs.
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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    This is really good. I cry quite often how I can't help anyone. Friends and relatives, work buddies, all of them get the jab. All of them willingly seek and receive the death shot. People offering their beautiful children, these innocent babies.
    I feel so alone
    I try, I do, but people just get triggered at any information contrary to their beliefs.
    The next time I spoke to anyone they were all double jabbed saying have you had your jabs yet have you had your jabs yet ... It broke my heart but I managed to get through to one or two. A pathetic effort but only by my unrealistic expectations; humble victories to be cherished, this **** is hard. I feel your pain, I look at some of my friends and family and can just chose to enjoy what we have, and the balance of trying our best to sew seeds of doubt

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    Library update

    Just a heads-up here, for those of you interested.

    There's been a devoted directory to Mattias Desmet since the end of September this year.

    You'll find the MUST LISTEN Chris Martenson conversation in there along with a similar presentation he made on the Jerm Warfare podcast back in September.

    Directory here: Prof_Mattias_Desmet_+_Mass_Psychosis

    Due to the enormous volume of near continual updates being made on a routine basis it isn't always possible to provide 'on-the-spot' reports when uploads are made.

    It's always worth having a quick search in the library just in case material is already there
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    John Carpenter knew what he was doing making this a six minute fight scene, he knew it was an awesome metaphor for how hard it is to get people to see the truth. I dare say it's even harder than this.
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    The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate.
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    Very good. What many might think is a juxtaposition at first glance turns out to be a very direct comparison.

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This is so important, I'm now convinced it deserves its own thread.

    There are three levels of introduction. Here's a short (rather flowery, but worthwhile) summary 13 minute piece that was nicely edited from a recent interview with Dr Robert Malone. It's already been posted several times, deservedly so.


    The source interview for that, twice as long (25 mins), is here:

    https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=619daea08153a665791f3fb6



    But the pièce de résistance is Chris Martenson's new interview with the man himself, Mattias Desmet.

    This presentation (69 mins) is a critically important work of what I think might qualify as near-genius. It explains all the human behavior we've been seeing — everywhere. I cannot recommend this too highly.

    It's the kind of detailed thesis that (if one had time!) one might want to pause the video frequently and take good notes. It's here on YouTube right now, but is also on Odysee here if YT removes it. Again, I stress: this is really, really good.

    "What is at risk? EVERYTHING"



    I have been contemplating this really thought provoking interview Chris Marten has with Mattias Desmet. Mr Desmet states that about 30% are absolutely hypnotized by this propaganda. The hynotic event doesn't have to makes sense or add up logically but it does seem to need ritualistic elements and the concept of self sacrifices, like wearing a mask. This 30 percent are the ones that could be readily manipulated into all sorts of destructive behavior that would previously have been considered totally unacceptable under the guise of righteous indignation. Rationalization for committing atrocities for the greater good, although many genocidal movements could fit the bill here in some ways I see the the Christian Crusades as having some of the same energetic similarities as those that embrace the Dogma of Covidian Extremism which is a weird form of faith based extremism at it's worse. Zealots using CNN editorialized propaganda as support for their stance feeling this has as much validity as any valid scientific study, in fact they wouldn't probably know the difference. As I write this we are getting familiarized with the concepts of "quarantine" camps that are established for the common good and health primarily those that were willing to sacrifice for the common good and can get that dopamine rush that being righteously indignant can provide. I wonder how long it will take for the "quarantine" camps to take on a different purpose. I am guessing they will serve nicely to isolate the "domestic terrorists"(anyone of the 30% that aren't mass hypnotized and eventually most of the others as well. I doubt very many will pass the test of worthiness of survival into the new world order.

    Next we have the 40% that see that something isn't adding up but are unwilling to rock the boat or make any waves. These are the folks that would prefer not to engage in any debate because they can see the fallacy of arguments that would support this. They may also have convinced themselves that they just don't get it and if they totally understood the whole thing would make more sense. I feel there are many times in my life where I have defaulted to this position, albeit under conditions not anywhere near as dire as this.

    The rest which would seem to be about 30% are just not subject to the mass hypnosis and they are not going to excuse it or accept it.

    Mr. Desmet states that one might get a totally hypnotized individual to lighten the stance somewhat, that it is possible with some of them. My take on this is that the the ones that will matter are the 40% who see some fallacy but can't or won't take any action or say anything. To be able to approach these people and get a change in willingness to take a stand could change the numbers of 30% to upwards of 70% that are not going to blindly follow and cooperate these insane would be rulers. I love the idea that Chris has in that approaching those 40% it might be better to do it by not addressing , for instance the mask agenda or the injection agenda but the implications of technocracy. The other implications that we can all agree are not desirable nor something we want in any way. Particularly if we have children or grandchildren.

    This is a refreshing understanding and a workable and doable approach that anyone can do.

    I have signed up for a neighborhood forum for practical reasons, such as sharing reputable companies and help in finding lost dogs ect. I have been kind of blown away how all roads always seems to lead a few to bringing up vaccination and relating it to political party affiliation and other needless unproductive dissension mongering based on political affiliation Some guy is spouting this ludicrous story line that has Trump supporters refusing to get vaccinated???? I ended having my email address takien off their list because it is a senseless source of mindless , nonsensical hate mongering.

    Maybe popping in and approaching topics at a totally different level could assist those 40 % who see the nuttiness but are at a loss to do anything or say anything because they don't want to get attacted by radicalized Covidians or those that see political affiliation as the be all end all. Maybe finding a common ground that most could agree on and working from there is a possibility.

    I really did appreciate the interview and the possibility of offering solutions.
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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    This is really good. I cry quite often how I can't help anyone. Friends and relatives, work buddies, all of them get the jab. All of them willingly seek and receive the death shot. People offering their beautiful children, these innocent babies.
    I feel so alone
    I try, I do, but people just get triggered at any information contrary to their beliefs.
    The profoundest upset and grief for me has been awakening to the consciousness (lack of) of my fellow humans. With the censorship and thus lack of a true unfettered ''town square'' where one can take the temperature, it feels like it's the majority who are under the spell, but who knows? Maybe it's not as many as it seems but for sure it's too many..but I guess we shouldn't be so surprised when we look at 20th century history, or the experiments where they easily got participants to seemingly torture their colleagues.

    I guess many of us were in a fools' paradise previously, not aware of how weak and quisling so many of us are.

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    • Why People WILLINGLY Give Up Their Freedoms W/ Prof. Mattias Desmet

    What are the conditions in any society that will cause a people to willingly sacrifice their freedoms? Mattias Desmet has studied and lectured extensively on this phenomenon. He is a professor of clinical psychology at Ghent University has and holds a masters degree in statistics. After noticing some anomalies in the statistical analyses conducted during the pandemic, he became concerned by the consensus narrative. He joined me today to discuss his expertise in a phenomenon called ‘mass formation’, a type of collective hypnosis essential for the rise of totalitarian regimes. He provides the step by step formula for this collective psychosis to take hold and how this relates to our current situation. He cautions against the dangers of our current societal landscape and offers solutions both individually and collectively to prevent the willing sacrifice of our freedoms.

    Time Stamps:
    • 00:00 Intro
    • 1:22- Statistics not adding up
    • 3:30- Psychological Dynamics
    • 9:50- Mass formation
    • 17:45- Something very specific can happen under these conditions
    • 25:10- 19th century mass formation
    • 31:55- Mentacide
    • 37:27- Asch experiment
    • 41:35- Dangers of our current landscape
    • 47:42- You need mass media for mass formation
    • 53:53- A Third Way
    • 58:49- Mechanism of Totalitarianism
    • 1:05:10- The importance of parallel structures
    • 1:19:13- Consequences of speaking out?
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    This astonished me. I felt sure the mainstream would totally ignore this, or more likely wouldn't even know it was being discussed. (It seems a nerve has been touched...)

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    There have to be doctors and pharmacists out there who are immune to the mass formation psychosis - and willing to phantom inject people in order to preserve human life. Let's hope enough of them are out there.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    This astonished me. I felt sure the mainstream would totally ignore this, or more likely wouldn't even know it was being discussed. (It seems a nerve has been touched...)

    https://twitter.com/APFactCheck/stat...86452641120261

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    Quote Posted by andyangel1205 (here)
    There have to be doctors and pharmacists out there who are immune to the mass formation psychosis - and willing to phantom inject people in order to preserve human life. Let's hope enough of them are out there.
    There certainly are but they get kicked off social media damn fast.

    In Germany in the 30's there was one profession that joined the nazi party at a rate beyond seen anywhere else, that profession was "Doctors".

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    IMO we are facing our deepest dark basement of culture's creation as hell. People in this covid nightmare make it an organizing principle. The covidiots are in a mind loop of justification of their pain. The inability to see others POV is narcissistic. I have said before that we live in a narcissist culture. Behind "mass formation" is IMO trauma. Prolonged trauma and grief is generational and DESIGNED. It creates what we call narcissism. Narcissist R Us is my slogan but we can get BETTER. BUT do people WANT to get better?







    "Prolonged grief disorder"

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    This astonished me. (...)
    Dear Bill, it did not astonish me.

    There are a few flaws in the “theory”.

    Allow me to not go into details, but just reflect on this. We all know that there is a behaviour that is common to the "vaccine”-takers. This common behaviour is that they take the vaccines. They also all tend to think that the State wants their best. And a few other things.

    This common behaviour (and/or way of thinking etc.) is then explained by the concept of "mass formation". So the fact that thousands of people seem to behave and think in the same way and that they hence appear to form a "mass" is explained by the act that they "form a mass" ("mass formation"). This is not even circular reasoning, it is a tautology.

    Such tautological reasoning is typical of certain social sciences (as per Karl Popper’s critique of them) and "mass formation" is not an exception. Mattias Demet is a clinical psychologist (not a depth psychologist or psychoanalyst), and clinical psychology tends to attach little attention to the definition of its operational concepts (unlike psychoanalysis, be it Freudian, Jungian, Adlerian, Groddeckian, Reichian or Lacanian). (As an aside: he is also a statistician, and admirable for the connection he is making between statistics and psychology. Interestingly, his thinking was triggered by the statistical anomalies he was witnessing being rolled out.)

    The very use of the term "mass" is strange. Isn’t the theory predicated on the observation that people, hypnotised by their TV screens, become steadily more isolated and hence lack meaningful social contacts – as Mattias Desmet quite rightly states, quoting research done? How do isolated individuals turn into a "mass"? When we see the demonstrators in the streets of Western society’s capitals, don’t they much more qualify as "forming a mass" – or, as Negri used to put it, a "multitude"? Where are all those "mass-formed" "masses" of "vaccinated" people, claiming the one truth they all seem to believe? There aren’t any such demonstrations, because there are no motivated "masses" of "jabbed persons". It is the "unjabbed" who create "masses", and not unconsciously, but intentionally.

    (On an aside, the concept of "mass" was instrumentalised in Marxist theory – and based itself on what happened during the Paris Commune, or on spontaneous strikes of industrial workers in the exploitative stage of brutal capitalism. Those were genuine masses, created by common predicament and common intent – as are the masses demonstrating against the jabbing and its ideology.)

    So the concept of "mass formation" – which Mattias Desmet is careful to distinguish from "mass psychosis", and for a reason – does not explain what is happening to the "vaccinees": they are not, and have not been formed into, a mass.

    What does happen then? A psychoanalytical approach comes nearer to it – and dovetails well with the observations quoted by Mattias Desmet about isolation, dissatisfaction with work, loss of the sense of living a meaningful life etc.

    The term "psychosis", which belongs to the psychoanalytical conceptual toolkit, describes quite well what the vaccinated experience, feel, think and display. To put it very simply, it is linked with the concept of repression.

    This term in itself has a psychoanalytical definition, and the phenomenon it encapsulates is also known to many readers of this forum in a quite different context: it is the repression of the evil, the abuse, the torture done to them (not only repression from their consciousness but also from their emotional self) which creates the "MK Ultra" hyper soldiers (based on a weaponising of the traits that Wilhelm Reich described as characterising the "armoured personality").

    Repression of "bad" emotions, recollections, thoughts, actions – leads to neurosis: the common lot of all of us. Repression of this repression leads to psychosis. Not only do we hide certain unwelcome facts about ourselves in the drawers of our personality cabinet – which makes us feel guilty for a reason – but additionally we throw the key into the canal. We feel horrible, but we do not know any more what is causing this feeling.

    Psychoanalysts or psychoanalytically trained sociologists like Girard would point at (thought of, desire of) homicide as thé experience to be doubly repressed: the fact that occasionally in our lives we have hated another human so deeply that we were on the verge of killing him or her (or even did so). Whenever we are triggered again by another person who "reminds us of" what is in that cabinet drawer, we react viciously, by word or deed. We cannot stand the "repressure" any more and show our ugly side. This is what happens when vaccinated people react violently to the very existence of the non-jabbed person. (Videos abound.)

    Why do they do so? Because they are themselves the victim of a triple repression. Not only have they wanted do eliminate the "ones not belonging" to their group, and repressed that desire, and even repressed the fact that they have gone so far as repressing it so as not to be reminded of the fact that they are capable of such desires, but they have also repressed their own feelings of guilt about it and as a result their own condemnation of themselves as potentials perpetrators of evil. What is thus repressed is the ultimate "anti-life" desire to kill: the killing not of the others who "do not belong" – but of themselves as guilty of harbouring such feelings. It is the suicidal desire: the deep, unretrievably deep, feeling of unworthiness.

    People who allow themselves to be jabbed and others to jab them enact their subconscious desire to live up to their (in their own eyes) deserved death by dying through slowkill. Psychoanalysis has uncovered such feelings of unworthiness, undeservingness as capable of bringing about major illnesses by "somatising" (expressing through the body) these feelings; showing through the language of bodily decay.

    The major processes of creating these millions of jabbed people are not "massive" (only the results could be called "massive"), they are individual and/or related to small groups, typically the family, a group of friends, a group of neighbours – the small groups in which people’s lives have always tended to play out and in which personalities are shaped, processed, changed and maintained. In today’s technological world this type of interaction occurs in its minimal form (a dyad of two actors) in the dyad formed by "me and my mobile", "me and my laptop" (what a strange word, is it not? clearly showing that a metal top (an armour) is supposed to hide and repress the living sexual organs under it) — but are we not gradually being persuaded that the ultimate social interaction will be between "me and my AI robot"? Let us be certain that this AI robot will be our eternal triple-repression coach and monitor.

    When asked what we should do about this "mass formation", Mattias Desmet says: to stand firm and never to stop informing the others, diplomatically of course.

    This is most certainly needed – to slowly unravel the cognitive dissonances people feel.

    But what to do with their emotional dissonances? With the pain they are continuously in and want to repress, which consists in having to deal with people (the non-vaccinated) who implicitly uncover their self-loathing mechanisms, and with authorities who increasingly prove to be completely untrustworthy, unable to keep the promises the "vaccines" were supposed to deliver? With their own threefold inner repression of the truth knocking at the door of their Self?

    I would guess that the only key is love. The integrating kind of love which sees the other person (our family member, our neighbour, our friend...) as a whole being and as absolutely deserving of that love, and of being loved by the other person themselves, and thereby inviting them not to harm themselves.

    Not only softly, or at times with tough love as a good parent will do, unveiling to them the facts that break the spell of cognitive dissonance, but also breaking the emotional dissonance by making them feel how much we care about their wholeness and want them to join again the track that allows them to thrive.

    How much we love them. That it breaks our heart to see them like this.
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    My goodness... what you possible describe is non less that the risen of the zombie Apocalypse...

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