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    That was a reminder from Dr Larry Palevsky, in this latest (Episode 73) of the very valuable covid-and-vaxx Critically Thinking series of videos.

    It struck me as such a timely and appropriate quote — maybe meaningful for many — that I stopped and wrote it down.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    That was a reminder from Dr Larry Palevsky, in this latest (Episode 73) of the very valuable covid-and-vaxx Critically Thinking series of videos.

    It struck me as such a timely and appropriate quote — maybe meaningful for many — that I stopped and wrote it down.

    ”I keep looking to the people that are standing their ground. Stay strong. Remember that you are learning who your family is. And realizing that many relatives may not be family. So stay strong and stay in your power. And don’t run into burning buildings…” - Dr. Lawrence Palevsky @ 1:02:00
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    Default Re: Many of your Relatives may not be Family

    "...And don’t run into burning buildings…"

    A metaphor; I now avoid birth family gatherings. It is a relief and a salve.
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    Quote "...And don’t run into burning buildings…"
    In other words, choose your battles wisely. Don't expend your valuable, limited time or energy (physical or emotional) on lost causes.

    "Lost causes", sadly, can also include lost people. And those lost people may be some you've been very close to for many years but who now just cannot be reached.


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    Default Re: Many of your Relatives may not be Family

    Have a brother who sued me some 30 years ago over a business deal, it was all based on greed . Told my parents if your looking for an explanation as to why he is the way he is, that thought process doesn't exist in our world so stop looking for an answer because it doesn't exist.

    My very good friend and his wife refused to go to the Christmas party this year and they have had the jab but we're afraid to go to be in a crowd yet they went out Xmas shopping and to dinner at a restaurant the same day. I just let more balloons go up in the air and stopped pondering the rationale .

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    Quote Posted by lunaflare (here)
    "...And don’t run into burning buildings…"

    A metaphor; I now avoid birth family gatherings. It is a relief and a salve.
    Especially when you don't need to.

    As a youngster for many years these "burning buildings" could have been a metaphor for family gatherings at Christmas.

    Sometimes the topic would stray towards politics, and I have keen memories of these "debates" turning into screaming matches.

    Or another relative after finding that his car keys were (very sensibly) hidden from him, it being extremely treacherous and icy on the roads outside and him being way over the drink-drive limit, could only impotently scream "shove 'em up your f**king ass!".

    No, I don't miss any of this, or being called out publicly by uninformed relatives for remaining unjabbed. I am perfectly OK enjoying my own company and my own family.
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    Can't remember last time I celebrate Christmas with "family", maybe 20 years ago, also I am not a Christian or a religious person, I see no point in celebrating "holy" days, except for get together with people that you don't see very often and you may still have some love for them.
    I can only imagine what will be the main subject in most families this year..

    I already was called crazy, lunatic, extremist, terrorist, leftist, drug addicted, conspirator, weirdo, name it.. my relatives don't even know what to call me anymore, they probably even forgot my name!

    My cousin got cancer few months after the second jab, others had strange reactions, but they still not associating it with the vaxx, I don't know what to say, I just walked away and not talking to them anymore, but if they come to me in a polite way I will talk to them, but I guess we lost respect a way back and things will never be the same ever again.

    I agree not to get into lost causes, you can't fix stupid. perfect.
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    Thank you so very much for this, Bill. It was what exactly what I needed to hear. I made the difficult decision to not spend holidays with my relatives even though I am not sure if I would have been invited and if I was it would be in a limited capacity. I just find that it is too toxic and I no longer seem to have the ability to go along and avoid certain topics as the list has become long and tedious. It doesn't help that my brother is employed as a director of a large government health department. I felt obligated to try and present some facts to him early and it resulted in him being angry with me, which has happened only once before in our lives. So true, no sense in running into burning abilities.

    I don't carry resentment, I love them all very much but for the first time in my life I am putting my own well being before family decorum. I am very blessed that my son remains unvaccinated and I will spend Christmas with him. He and I spent Thanksgiving together and it turned out to be one of the most pleasant holidays I have had.

    The fact is that they are probably very relieved as well. It does create some sadness, I will admit, but it is just about accepting the reality and trying to live as honestly with myself as possible. I have no desire to talk about the lovely clothes the emperor is wearing just so I can fit in. I have no desire to pretend like I don't notice the emperor is butt naked.

    Aside from this I found what Dr. Larry said in the talk that was very interesting. He was talking regarding artificial insemination of the vaccinated. He was stating that the sperm and egg are placed in a small "well" for the process to occur. It has been noted multiple times that when the joining occurs, little worm like creatures are also being created. I found this to be very strange and would have no idea how, based on the biology we are taught how this would occur. I know it is a bit off topic but it was in the talk and it is worth red flagging for a future rabbit hole.

    I am so very grateful to have this most special place to be able to speak. Happy Winter Solstice everyone. With much love sent out to every one of you, Pam
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    At a young age I knew "family" are not always looking out for your best interests, I have some toxic narcissists in my family, I gave them many many chances to change, even recently, but they haven't. Do not feel guilty for cutting toxic people out of your life especially Blood relatives as they will take the most advantage of you because they have your familiar trust and the BS line of "blood is thicker than water", My retort "Blood is thicker and harder to swim through it will drag you under and drown you quicker than water ".
    When living in a country with free thought, you'll find many do not feel the need to think.

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    As a still unvaccinated person, i have to accept the fact that i'm not invited home any time soon, unless i can show proof of vaccination. I can't see my sister or anyone else, or go for Christmas or new year, or ever at all unless i have the evidence

    I lied on a call and said i had already being vaccinated, it was very soon found to be a lie and let's just say it didn't go well lol

    Then i had to be very specific about it and eventually my mom got it that i could die from the vaccine. Even then, i'm still not allowed home. I can remain unvaccinated, and i won't be bothered anymore about it, but i can't go home "like this", and that's final

    Not truly anything surprising but it does bring up a great way to see how things really are, from the point of view of "them". I do believe this is a pre-planed side effect of this "pandemic"

    I guess Facetime is not as bad as it was thought to be, from now on
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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    As a still unvaccinated person, i have to accept the fact that i'm not invited home any time soon, unless i can show proof of vaccination. I can't see my sister or anyone else, or go for Christmas or new year, or ever at all unless i have the evidence

    I lied on a call and said i had already being vaccinated, it was very soon found to be a lie and let's just say it didn't go well lol

    Then i had to be very specific about it and eventually my mom got it that i could die from the vaccine. Even then, i'm still not allowed home. I can remain unvaccinated, and i won't be bothered anymore about it, but i can't go home "like this", and that's final

    Not truly anything surprising but it does bring up a great way to see how things really are, from the point of view of "them". I do believe this is a pre-planed side effect of this "pandemic"

    I guess Facetime is not as bad as it was thought to be, from now on


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    Well we’ve gone from being black sheep to forming a pride of lions, I can live with that.

    A titanic pride of lions...



    Link: https://twitter.com/risemelbourne/st...92803315912706

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote "...And don’t run into burning buildings…"
    In other words, choose your battles wisely. Don't expend your valuable, limited time or energy (physical or emotional) on lost causes.

    "Lost causes", sadly, can also include lost people. And those lost people may be some you've been very close to for many years but who now just cannot be reached.

    Yes, fight for them, not against them.

    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

    You mustn't be afraid to dream a little BIGGER, darling.

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    HEY Malisa, Sorry to hear that, but we're here for more adventure.... on so many levels. It is no longer a truth that can be denied....Our families are much, much bigger than any family we have been born into.

    I know this as fact, and I doubt that many here on Avalon have come from a family as big as the one I was born into, and the one that grew up around me. If there is any common takeaway, any cool life lesson that comes from being in a large family, it is the undeniable reality that all of humanity is all of the family we need, all of the family we want, and ultimately all of the family we choose it to be.

    Familial relations changing is one of the more dynamic ones we are adjusting to. Like many things in my life, I've been doing this all along, just as some here on Avalon have been doing. The very good, even the life sustaining aspects of these challenges, show us who our real families are.

    From the very earliest years of my childhood I enjoyed some aspects of being in a very big family and then some aspects of being with some of them were hard to deal with, things that I didn't need to learn, things that were the jobs of parents to do. My active independence, a trait that some of my brothers and sisters had in varying degrees, was and is empowerment, not isolation. This independence was all a very natural exploration and discovery that found comfort outside of a crowded house, a house in which there were and still are siblings that I love and appreciate, even if we do not have any contact on a physical level, nor using any common means of gross, material communication. As I got out into the world I realized much more clearly that my real family was alive and active within all of humanity, at least those I choose to be with.

    Some would say that because of my unusual upbringing that it should be harder for me not to be around my brothers and sisters, or even not to have talked to them for many, many years. That has never been the case. Then again some would say that it was a naturally easy thing for me, having lived with so many brothers and sisters of varying ages, some still alive now at last I've heard. This is much closer to the truth. I know hearing this from a member of a very large family may not be relative, but to me it has always been a choice everyone has had and still has...forever.

    To those who seem to be isolated, those who really have lived closer to the Heart, their own Heart, we know that there is no such thing as isolation when we ask, we listen, we share with each other. That valley of emotional darkness is only there because we came here to travel beyond it, together. We came to uplift each other and then naturally learn to uplift ourselves. Either way, I understand the thread as a calling out that we make our family wherever we go.

    Although this has always been true, it is now an awakening for many who never thought that deeply about the lack of love or loyalty some families have within. For some of us, the isolation from others who we thought would understand us, showed us that while our life paths are lived searching for truths, these deeper, personal truths that are now lost during these deep attacks upon the sovereignty over our bodies and our freedoms, has revealed to each of us just how important it has always been to be free from emotional manipulations. It is undeniable that many of those deep emotional betrayals, let's call them what they really are, originated in our own families.

    For many of us the basis for our individual strengths and courage comes from our upbringing, even if we had to bring ourselves up, when our inherent inner strengths told us to become independent of familial weaknesses early on. Knowing this does not make it any easier, yet it is vital to moving on and living, which is much easier than living in the denial of our basic human rights just to get along with family. That family is not a family. We take the good things we shared with them with us, and leave the past as it was.

    In the world of corporations overtly running governmental policies, many good, heart centered people are now seeing the blindness of family members to the overwhelming and irrefutable facts present, even facts about survivability. To me this shows the lack of awareness and emotional weaknesses our families have had all along. In the past the average person would only recall those deeper disparities when passing on and out of the body. The gift now is that we don't have to take those realizations with us as we leave and move on, with or without our temporal bodies in tact.

    In the same way, but much stronger, are the ties within our families that have held fast with us, the love showing support whether or not they agree with our choices, and in a unique condition of a deeper comfort our mutual understanding seems very different now. Welcomed, but singularly different than before in all of our times together in the past, and as such are appreciated much more.
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    I was going to say a lot of personal things that always burn inside my soul and mind, but i did not found a way other than this, which is a lot better to express than anything i could say, so..





    I hope it's getting better for everyone else too



    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    HEY Malisa, Sorry to hear that, but we're here for more adventure.... on so many levels. It is no longer a truth that can be denied....Our families are much, much bigger than any family we have been born into.

    I know this as fact, and I doubt that many here on Avalon have come from a family as big as the one I was born into, and the one that grew up around me. If there is any common takeaway, any cool life lesson that comes from being in a large family, it is the undeniable reality that all of humanity is all of the family we need, all of the family we want, and ultimately all of the family we choose it to be.

    Familial relations changing is one of the more dynamic ones we are adjusting to. Like many things in my life, I've been doing this all along, just as some here on Avalon have been doing. The very good, even the life sustaining aspects of these challenges, show us who our real families are.

    From the very earliest years of my childhood I enjoyed some aspects of being in a very big family and then some aspects of being with some of them were hard to deal with, things that I didn't need to learn, things that were the jobs of parents to do. My active independence, a trait that some of my brothers and sisters had in varying degrees, was and is empowerment, not isolation. This independence was all a very natural exploration and discovery that found comfort outside of a crowded house, a house in which there were and still are siblings that I love and appreciate, even if we do not have any contact on a physical level, nor using any common means of gross, material communication. As I got out into the world I realized much more clearly that my real family was alive and active within all of humanity, at least those I choose to be with.

    Some would say that because of my unusual upbringing that it should be harder for me not to be around my brothers and sisters, or even not to have talked to them for many, many years. That has never been the case. Then again some would say that it was a naturally easy thing for me, having lived with 15 brothers and sisters of varying ages, 12 alive now at last I've heard. This is much closer to the truth. I know hearing this from a member of a very, very large family may not be relative, but to me it has always been a choice everyone has had and still has...forever.

    To those who seem to be isolated, those who really have lived closer to the Heart, their own Heart, we know that there is no such thing as isolation when we ask, we listen, we share with each other. That valley of emotional darkness is only there because we came here to travel beyond it, together. We came to uplift each other and then naturally learn to uplift ourselves. Either way, I understand the thread as a calling out that we make our family wherever we go.

    Although this has always been true, it is now an awakening for many who never thought that deeply about the lack of love or loyalty some families have within. For some of us, the isolation from others who we thought would understand us, showed us that while our life paths are lived searching for truths, these deeper, personal truths that are now lost during these deep attacks upon the sovereignty over our bodies and our freedoms, has revealed to each of us just how important it has always been to be free from emotional manipulations. It is undeniable that many of those deep emotional betrayals, let's call them what they really are, originated in our own families.

    For many of us the basis for our individual strengths and courage comes from our upbringing, even if we had to bring ourselves up, when our inherent inner strengths told us to become independent of familial weaknesses early on. Knowing this does not make it any easier, yet it is vital to moving on and living, which is much easier than living in the denial of our basic human rights just to get along with family. That family is not a family. We take the good things we shared with them with us, and leave the past as it was.

    In the world of corporations overtly running governmental policies, many good, heart centered people are now seeing the blindness of family members to the overwhelming and irrefutable facts present, even facts about survivability. To me this shows the lack of awareness and emotional weaknesses our families have had all along. In the past the average person would only recall those deeper disparities when passing on and out of the body. The gift now is that we don't have to take those realizations with us as we leave and move on, with or without our temporal bodies in tact.

    In the same way, but much stronger, are the ties within our families that have held fast with us, the love showing support whether or not they agree with our choices, and in a unique condition of a deeper comfort our mutual understanding seems very different now. Welcomed, but singularly different than before in all of our times together in the past, and as such are appreciated much more.
    Last edited by Mashika; 22nd December 2021 at 05:48.
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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)


    I was going to say a lot of personal things that always burn inside my soul and mind, but i did not found a way other than this, which is a lot better to express than anything i could say, so..





    I hope it's getting better for everyone else too



    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    HEY Malisa, Sorry to hear that, but we're here for more adventure.... on so many levels. It is no longer a truth that can be denied....Our families are much, much bigger than any family we have been born into.

    I know this as fact, and I doubt that many here on Avalon have come from a family as big as the one I was born into, and the one that grew up around me. If there is any common takeaway, any cool life lesson that comes from being in a large family, it is the undeniable reality that all of humanity is all of the family we need, all of the family we want, and ultimately all of the family we choose it to be.

    Familial relations changing is one of the more dynamic ones we are adjusting to. Like many things in my life, I've been doing this all along, just as some here on Avalon have been doing. The very good, even the life sustaining aspects of these challenges, show us who our real families are.

    From the very earliest years of my childhood I enjoyed some aspects of being in a very big family and then some aspects of being with some of them were hard to deal with, things that I didn't need to learn, things that were the jobs of parents to do. My active independence, a trait that some of my brothers and sisters had in varying degrees, was and is empowerment, not isolation. This independence was all a very natural exploration and discovery that found comfort outside of a crowded house, a house in which there were and still are siblings that I love and appreciate, even if we do not have any contact on a physical level, nor using any common means of gross, material communication. As I got out into the world I realized much more clearly that my real family was alive and active within all of humanity, at least those I choose to be with.

    Some would say that because of my unusual upbringing that it should be harder for me not to be around my brothers and sisters, or even not to have talked to them for many, many years. That has never been the case. Then again some would say that it was a naturally easy thing for me, having lived with 15 brothers and sisters of varying ages, 12 alive now at last I've heard. This is much closer to the truth. I know hearing this from a member of a very, very large family may not be relative, but to me it has always been a choice everyone has had and still has...forever.

    To those who seem to be isolated, those who really have lived closer to the Heart, their own Heart, we know that there is no such thing as isolation when we ask, we listen, we share with each other. That valley of emotional darkness is only there because we came here to travel beyond it, together. We came to uplift each other and then naturally learn to uplift ourselves. Either way, I understand the thread as a calling out that we make our family wherever we go.

    Although this has always been true, it is now an awakening for many who never thought that deeply about the lack of love or loyalty some families have within. For some of us, the isolation from others who we thought would understand us, showed us that while our life paths are lived searching for truths, these deeper, personal truths that are now lost during these deep attacks upon the sovereignty over our bodies and our freedoms, has revealed to each of us just how important it has always been to be free from emotional manipulations. It is undeniable that many of those deep emotional betrayals, let's call them what they really are, originated in our own families.

    For many of us the basis for our individual strengths and courage comes from our upbringing, even if we had to bring ourselves up, when our inherent inner strengths told us to become independent of familial weaknesses early on. Knowing this does not make it any easier, yet it is vital to moving on and living, which is much easier than living in the denial of our basic human rights just to get along with family. That family is not a family. We take the good things we shared with them with us, and leave the past as it was.

    In the world of corporations overtly running governmental policies, many good, heart centered people are now seeing the blindness of family members to the overwhelming and irrefutable facts present, even facts about survivability. To me this shows the lack of awareness and emotional weaknesses our families have had all along. In the past the average person would only recall those deeper disparities when passing on and out of the body. The gift now is that we don't have to take those realizations with us as we leave and move on, with or without our temporal bodies in tact.

    In the same way, but much stronger, are the ties within our families that have held fast with us, the love showing support whether or not they agree with our choices, and in a unique condition of a deeper comfort our mutual understanding seems very different now. Welcomed, but singularly different than before in all of our times together in the past, and as such are appreciated much more.
    And the private message I just sent to you expresses how pissed off I am at how you've been treated......

    You are so worthy of better treatment and acceptance, that I could only cuss at your relatives abject ignorance and acceptance of the slavery of their souls.

    Yes, You Are Loved....As You Choose to Be...

    Your Surrogate Parents and Grandparents Here.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote "...And don’t run into burning buildings…"
    In other words, choose your battles wisely. Don't expend your valuable, limited time or energy (physical or emotional) on lost causes.

    "Lost causes", sadly, can also include lost people. And those lost people may be some you've been very close to for many years but who now just cannot be reached.


    With children, seniors and other family oriented people it’s often matter of reciprocity and sacrifice , they’ve given us all they could when we were young and we still remember it and rely on them in any way,
    we are expected to give back .

    Part of me became worried about the fate of modern civilisation when I quietly witnessed what our parental generations tried to do to some of us reminding me of the story of Saturn ( the “Chronos”) who devours his own children in order to “redeem” and continue its timeless transformation .
    Some of them never “let go” till the end of their lives of their possessions and their children.

    At some , perhaps early point we have recognized they are destructive to our souls yet we owed them so much, as living beings who loved us quite innocently,
    we wished to give them the best and all they deserved.

    For me, after many years of caring for my mum, it turned to be the only option to do it “right”, as mum would automatically take over the rest of my relationships, I was still happy she allowed me to take care of my work,
    as long it was just me.

    It’s how I’ve got through to my 42.

    I cherish the years when I was in Tibetan monastery and earned my social freedoms in India, through many years of learn n study,
    and I’ve found the best of spiritual freedom in being alone out there in nature.

    Since then and even though I made it back again to meet and greet the civilisation and be a good child for a bit,
    I never missed there again.

    I am sure I sound funny and sacrilegious but honest to T when I say I’m the happiest to forget them ALL AT ONCE because in what comes next ..they are automatically transponded to better space , liberated space , enlightened space.

    Everyone deserves Peace at the end of the day


    🙏😅
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    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    And the private message I just sent to you expresses how pissed off I am at how you've been treated......

    You are so worthy of better treatment and acceptance, that I could only cuss at your relatives abject ignorance and acceptance of the slavery of their souls.

    Yes, You Are Loved....As You Choose to Be...

    Your Surrogate Parents and Grandparents Here.
    Thank you!

    I believe a lot of people are going through the same, unable to meet their families because of the "vaccine". It's a very odd thing, any other vaccine would not cause this same situation, at all, ever! But now...

    How idiotic the entire thing is. There's ebola out there, and probably will be back soon and cause dead in ways we don't even are able to process. And no one cares.. "But the covid variant!"

    And there's some odd new deadly illness in Sudan that came up in the past few days, and no one cares! Around 100 people reported dead already, but probably way more in just a week or so. And no one knows what's up, but let's focus on covid, that's the only one that matters lol. It's so idiotic and dumb and obvious

    You see politicians and they open their mouths, and the pre-programmed words come up, robotically..

    'Domo Arigato, Mister Roboto' Is all i think when i see them speaking up
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    Was ruminating about this topic and remembered that Gary Zukov wrote extensively on this topic. He called them soul groups if I recall.
    Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. Bruce Lee

    Free will can only be as free as the mind that conceives it.

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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)


    I was going to say a lot of personal things that always burn inside my soul and mind, but i did not found a way other than this, which is a lot better to express than anything i could say, so..





    I hope it's getting better for everyone else too



    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    HEY Malisa, Sorry to hear that, but we're here for more adventure.... on so many levels. It is no longer a truth that can be denied....Our families are much, much bigger than any family we have been born into.

    I know this as fact, and I doubt that many here on Avalon have come from a family as big as the one I was born into, and the one that grew up around me. If there is any common takeaway, any cool life lesson that comes from being in a large family, it is the undeniable reality that all of humanity is all of the family we need, all of the family we want, and ultimately all of the family we choose it to be.

    Familial relations changing is one of the more dynamic ones we are adjusting to. Like many things in my life, I've been doing this all along, just as some here on Avalon have been doing. The very good, even the life sustaining aspects of these challenges, show us who our real families are.

    From the very earliest years of my childhood I enjoyed some aspects of being in a very big family and then some aspects of being with some of them were hard to deal with, things that I didn't need to learn, things that were the jobs of parents to do. My active independence, a trait that some of my brothers and sisters had in varying degrees, was and is empowerment, not isolation. This independence was all a very natural exploration and discovery that found comfort outside of a crowded house, a house in which there were and still are siblings that I love and appreciate, even if we do not have any contact on a physical level, nor using any common means of gross, material communication. As I got out into the world I realized much more clearly that my real family was alive and active within all of humanity, at least those I choose to be with.

    Some would say that because of my unusual upbringing that it should be harder for me not to be around my brothers and sisters, or even not to have talked to them for many, many years. That has never been the case. Then again some would say that it was a naturally easy thing for me, having lived with 15 brothers and sisters of varying ages, 12 alive now at last I've heard. This is much closer to the truth. I know hearing this from a member of a very, very large family may not be relative, but to me it has always been a choice everyone has had and still has...forever.

    To those who seem to be isolated, those who really have lived closer to the Heart, their own Heart, we know that there is no such thing as isolation when we ask, we listen, we share with each other. That valley of emotional darkness is only there because we came here to travel beyond it, together. We came to uplift each other and then naturally learn to uplift ourselves. Either way, I understand the thread as a calling out that we make our family wherever we go.

    Although this has always been true, it is now an awakening for many who never thought that deeply about the lack of love or loyalty some families have within. For some of us, the isolation from others who we thought would understand us, showed us that while our life paths are lived searching for truths, these deeper, personal truths that are now lost during these deep attacks upon the sovereignty over our bodies and our freedoms, has revealed to each of us just how important it has always been to be free from emotional manipulations. It is undeniable that many of those deep emotional betrayals, let's call them what they really are, originated in our own families.

    For many of us the basis for our individual strengths and courage comes from our upbringing, even if we had to bring ourselves up, when our inherent inner strengths told us to become independent of familial weaknesses early on. Knowing this does not make it any easier, yet it is vital to moving on and living, which is much easier than living in the denial of our basic human rights just to get along with family. That family is not a family. We take the good things we shared with them with us, and leave the past as it was.

    In the world of corporations overtly running governmental policies, many good, heart centered people are now seeing the blindness of family members to the overwhelming and irrefutable facts present, even facts about survivability. To me this shows the lack of awareness and emotional weaknesses our families have had all along. In the past the average person would only recall those deeper disparities when passing on and out of the body. The gift now is that we don't have to take those realizations with us as we leave and move on, with or without our temporal bodies in tact.

    In the same way, but much stronger, are the ties within our families that have held fast with us, the love showing support whether or not they agree with our choices, and in a unique condition of a deeper comfort our mutual understanding seems very different now. Welcomed, but singularly different than before in all of our times together in the past, and as such are appreciated much more.
    You are dearly loved on this forum, Malisa. You are such a breath of fresh air.

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    Quote Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
    Yes, fight for them, not against them.
    Succinctly put. I've added it to my one-line list.
    I've learned a lot from you over the years. Thank you, Innocent Warrior.


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