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    This Russian woman, known as SophieCo, is quite something else. Her interviews are world class, and very wide ranging. (My thanks to Malisa for bringing her to my attention. )
    In 2019 she interviewed Phan Thi Kim Phúc...
    ...the "Napalm Girl" shown at the center of this awful 1972 photograph, one of the most iconic of the 20th century.



    Kim was 9 years old, and had been severely burned by napalm on her back. She was hospitalized for 14 months, and had 17 surgeries to save her life. She survived to study medicine, and in 1997 started the Kim Phúc Foundation in the US, with the aim of providing medical and psychological assistance to child victims of war. It's one of the most remarkable stories of overcoming every conceivable personal obstacle.

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    Thanks for bringing SophieCo back to my attention, used to watch many years ago.

    Just fantastic to hear Kim survived and made it in life
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Default Re: SophieCo (Sophie Paatovna Shevardnadze)

    Every time I see that iconic picture of Kim, I am reminded of that line in Dylan's song, Masters of War. The one that goes - "even Jesus won't forgive what you've done". It is good that Kim is healing....but I don't expect the rest of the world to forgive the empire in my lifetime, if ever.

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    Default Re: SophieCo (Sophie Paatovna Shevardnadze)

    There is also a good interview with Aubrey de Grey

    "Aubrey de Grey. Anti-aging pioneer, chief science officer, and co-founder of SENS Research Foundation."

    https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/44...ealth-science/

    It brings great points i think, or at least starting points about life and how you experience it

    The idea that you can live forever is not really the main goal i believe. But instead, let's say that you could live up to 130 years or so, but you were able to at some point in life decrease growth so that your body remains how it is at something like 40 years old, and up until you turn 130 your body remains equal to a 40 year old person, then you still "die of old age" but having experienced everything until that last day, with that 40 year old body

    How would that change your concept of "being alive" or everyone else's? How would you grow if you were to have a perception that once you turn 40, you will be '40' for the rest of your life but you still die at 130 after whatever treatment was made to your body stops working, and you have to make up your mind about that. For example?

    Would that be a "fake experience"?

    So it's not truly about living forever but more about making it so that all the time you have to live, you can do at the top of what you are capable of, so to speak?
    Tired

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    Default Re: SophieCo (Sophie Paatovna Shevardnadze)

    We are probably not aware of this, but – however horrible and since those days heroic and admirable Phan Thi Kim Phúc’s story has been – quite a few questions have been raised about the photograph itself, which has been cited as a typical propaganda photograph exemplifying manipulation of photographic function. My late partner, a lecturer on history and theory of film and visual media pointed this out to me during a conversation.

    As far as I remember the original photograph was quite a bit larger with other kids running in front of Phan Thi Kim Phúc.

    The point of deleting this part of the photograph – so the analysts said – was to subliminally convey the impression that the soldiers behind them had arrested the children, or were making them run at gunpoint towards detention whereas in fact they were – admittedly quite primitively – accompanying them to some form of medical unit first-aid setup. The underlying intention was to further dramatise the situation and imply a previous enemy-enemy confrontation.

    This would have been part of a general effort made by the (then already) state-"oriented" media of projecting into people’s minds what became known later as Donald Rumsfeld’s (or was it George W. Bush’s) "rotten apple" theory. Acknowledging heavily emphasised gruesome events as "isolated incidents" – in such a way that the aggrandisement is in itself instrumental to the classification of the depicted incident as "isolated" – would then hide from view the more profound questionability of the entire war goal and wipe it off “Western civilisation”'s mental slate. (A parallel, arguably more striking, endeavour would have been the My Lai horror.)

    We can all remember the photographs from the Bagdad prison Abu Ghurayb (”Little Raven’s Daddy”), of the Iraqi detainees being tortured by the U.S. Army’s "rotten apples". Were those photographs allowed to be leaked so that Mr Rumsfeld could put them into perspective as "isolated incidents" and by contrast extol the nobility of the American freedom-spreading objectives?

    And for Phan Thi Kim Phúc – not only was her plight necessary for the American war effort against the VietCong/North Vietnamese to succeed (as when Ms.Albright said that the 400,000 dead children in Iraq were "worth it" if "freedom" could be brought to the Iraqi’s), but it was also necessary to publish it as an "icon" and a bone thrown to the "leftists" in the U.S. and allied countries, so that by contrast the general justification of the Vietnamese War could be strengthened in the eyes of the U.S. soldiers and their "patriotic" supporters in the homeland?
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    Default Re: SophieCo (Sophie Paatovna Shevardnadze)

    The suffering of her, at the time and right now, it is real for sure. We can separate very easily both situations. Her, and other kids suffering happened for one reason in the first place. What other people did or gain by her suffering, is a completely separate situation

    Remember this picture?



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_vu...he_little_girl
    Quote The picture won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography award in 1994. Carter took his own life four months after winning the prize.
    That people use the pain of others to push their own agenda or gains, is not something new, never has been. But in whatever case, we must keep firmly set on finding out the root cause of all of that pain

    Everything is absolutely manipulated on media, every single thing. Unless people have been there, chances are the news will always have at least a bit of an agenda to push forward once watched or listened to. Only people on the ground can know the full truth of what happens down there, in whatever place it happened.

    Quote The point of deleting this part of the photograph – so the analysts said – was to subliminally convey the impression that the soldiers behind them had arrested the children, or were making them run at gunpoint towards detention whereas in fact they were – admittedly quite primitively – accompanying them to some form of medical unit first-aid setup. The underlying intention was to further dramatise the situation and imply a previous enemy-enemy confrontation.
    So from point of view of Americans, were those soldiers Vietnamese somehow attacking their own kids? On the interview she said that those were Vietnamese soldiers running behind her and the other kids protecting them and asking them to run to safety, and that then later they tried to wash them off with water before the kids got medical care


    Were people in the US somehow being told that Vietnamese soldiers were attacking their own kids and somehow put to blame for what this picture shows?


    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    We are probably not aware of this, but – however horrible and since those days heroic and admirable Phan Thi Kim Phúc’s story has been – quite a few questions have been raised about the photograph itself, which has been cited as a typical propaganda photograph exemplifying manipulation of photographic function. My late partner, a lecturer on history and theory of film and visual media pointed this out to me during a conversation.

    As far as I remember the original photograph was quite a bit larger with other kids running in front of Phan Thi Kim Phúc.

    The point of deleting this part of the photograph – so the analysts said – was to subliminally convey the impression that the soldiers behind them had arrested the children, or were making them run at gunpoint towards detention whereas in fact they were – admittedly quite primitively – accompanying them to some form of medical unit first-aid setup. The underlying intention was to further dramatise the situation and imply a previous enemy-enemy confrontation.

    This would have been part of a general effort made by the (then already) state-"oriented" media of projecting into people’s minds what became known later as Donald Rumsfeld’s (or was it George W. Bush’s) "rotten apple" theory. Acknowledging heavily emphasised gruesome events as "isolated incidents" – in such a way that the aggrandisement is in itself instrumental to the classification of the depicted incident as "isolated" – would then hide from view the more profound questionability of the entire war goal and wipe it off “Western civilisation”'s mental slate. (A parallel, arguably more striking, endeavour would have been the My Lai horror.)

    We can all remember the photographs from the Bagdad prison Abu Ghurayb (”Little Raven’s Daddy”), of the Iraqi detainees being tortured by the U.S. Army’s "rotten apples". Were those photographs allowed to be leaked so that Mr Rumsfeld could put them into perspective as "isolated incidents" and by contrast extol the nobility of the American freedom-spreading objectives?

    And for Phan Thi Kim Phúc – not only was her plight necessary for the American war effort against the VietCong/North Vietnamese to succeed (as when Ms.Albright said that the 400,000 dead children in Iraq were "worth it" if "freedom" could be brought to the Iraqi’s), but it was also necessary to publish it as an "icon" and a bone thrown to the "leftists" in the U.S. and allied countries, so that by contrast the general justification of the Vietnamese War could be strengthened in the eyes of the U.S. soldiers and their "patriotic" supporters in the homeland?
    Tired

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    And the list goes on and on...

    Julian Asange and private Maning still paying for this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvFpT-iypw

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    I agree with all of Your insights Malisa, but the contention of the 'analysts' is ridiculous. Americans were never told that the South Vietnamese troops attacked their own, at least in relation to this photograph. The war machine profiteers knew that if they insinuated that it would have been an obvious lie. They did much worse than that by creating the false flag, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, killing their president and others who fought their propaganda war, while they lied about every single reason for American soldiers to be there.

    Only the Americans had and used napalm on the peoples of Vietnam. The NVA, the North Vietnamese regulars and the VC, the Viet Cong, never had access to the horrible and inhumane weapon that burned people alive, ate the skin off of their bones and gave them unbearable pain while dying, or even worse if they survived. The VC had their own cruelties to subject their own people to, threats and guerrilla tactics not as modern as those being used on them, those enhanced by the profiteers of war.

    We all knew when we saw that picture of Kim that the soldiers were South Vietnamese soldiers telling the children to run to safety and help. I Do remember the original and much larger picture of many more children running to safety. Seeing the edited version was an unnecessary manipulation of the subject matter, the living and dying that the war caused....and all for profit, the reason that they killed Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr., as well as Bobby Kennedy and many others.

    Why and how could Americans ever forget that the wars they allowed their politicians, their global corporate overlords, to inflict on other nations would ultimately come home and inflict their horrors on their own countrymen?

    Now is that time. Now that debt is being faced. Now all of the psychological manipulation, the financial devastation, the inhumanities perpetrated on other humans in other countries is being used on those who were quiet and content in their comforts and their entertainments, their entrainments into soulless distractions, while their minds are being taken away from them. This too is the necessary path to changes needed, even as we do our best to navigate turbulent waters in troubled times.

    We are doing better than all of that, even with our flaws, our strengths, our sincerities and our own healings. I do not forget what I saw and what I felt and my efforts to learn the truth.
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    I agree with Hym that it’s too late to analyze now.

    The interview with Kim is quite extraordinary, seen, read many years ago.

    Almost everyone is familiar with that photo nowadays but it’s better to close this screen , in my sober opinion, guess why ?

    The times has changed profoundly.

    An isolated individual with great intelligence and integrity may be quite immune to “the rest of the agenda” for sure, whether it is Bill or His Holiness the Dalailama but they are exceptions.
    Sorry to say this but the rest of society are not “immune” to what has happened through last two decades of internet and sexualization of media, education and the rest.

    As the broad context of the photo is already well known , the only thing “they” see at the end is naked child. It triggers them almost instantly, probably with both sadistic and sexual context.

    This is the reason why no one will expose their children or should expose their children to “naked photography” from strangers,
    the reason why it is not decent to photograph people including adults who are in victim situations and post such photos on the net , not even with the idea of “helping”.

    How do I know ? Talk to any virile male ( not to mention those strange masculine females of our times, high on testosterone, great competitors and entrepreneurs usually) who have seen this photo at least twice in their life. Sad but true.

    Vietnam among else but also Thailand, Philippines and many other countries with fairly innocent but victimized populations turned to be sold by millions in internet prostitution rings, supporting themselves thusly, they sell even their children for sex tourism and internet prostitution , still living in extreme poverty out there.

    I’m just saying. Not trying to stop anyone who need to educate or contemplate these nightmares. I know it sounds awful but I’ve heard that photos from concentration camps produce similar effect with the “psychos”.

    They get triggered psychologically, often convinced that the child is in fact in better “shape” than they are.


    I’m sure you may find my input “strange” but this is the times we have lived through and the menace never stops.
    I doubt it stopped during the last years of pandemics.



    🙏


    It’s been happening here in India in past as well. Tourists for some reason always enjoyed photographing ragged kids and generally “the poorest people”.
    Of course no decent person including children from good family will allow you to do that.

    Not a big deal in the hippy 60s.
    In the next wave, the family would ask for money in exchange.

    In the next wave, many of the kids were sold as aupairs , house workers etc. and abused. They are still out there , children from Nepal, Bengal, Bihar ,
    places of extreme poverty , sold to or through Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and further.

    True nightmare isn’t it. Too sad.
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    Agape. I did not say that it is ever too late to analyze the intent of the photograph or the way it was presented, as I see that it is always important to re-evaluate our perceptions of our past experiences of the horrors of war, as well as how those images and reports may or may not have been manipulated to divert public attention away from those horrors. I do outright reject the analysts' perceptions, imagining some other motive for how the image itself was presented. That never happened.

    I vividly remember the photo, as well as thousands of others. I was attending university at the time, at a very active school whose students were heavily involved in opposing the war, as I was. I was also not there to be manipulated by a very diverted school populace who could not separate the conscripted soldiers, the draftees, from the war itself. If there had not been the draft at that time, I know the opposition to the war would not have been as great as it was, a fact which is telling about motivations.

    I do agree with your understanding of how many perceive the picture of Kim, and not just in the present world of overt sexualization of any body, because showing it that way diminishes the impact of the horror of what was happening then.

    However, I do get the fact that this is exactly what she was experiencing and I see the photographer and the editors of the photograph as accepting the fact that this shows one of the many horrors of war, diminishing a child's humanity and dignity by the inhumane and impersonal nature of war itself. When I saw her expression of pain and horror I was immediately reminded of Evard Munch's impressionist painting, The Scream.

    Still so, I reject the b.s. "artists creative" use narrative, a constant from those who know quite well that allowing the nude body of a young girl without protecting her right to her bodily dignity is abusive and completely unnecessary in order to get the impact of a life in danger across to the public.

    I heard enough of that crap as an art major from the emerging practice of intellectual stupidity at that time, so much so that I cringed every time I heard an artist explain why they really weren't artists in order to sell a new idea, a new approach to laziness, fostering a great lack of artistic ingenuity and skill prevalent in the modern art community ever since.

    Though I also saw no emotional content in the art of one of my teachers picture perfect, Polaroid exact, super-realistic still life paintings, at least he had developed the amazing skill to create in oil and acrylic paint the subject matter he envisioned. This was set in glaring contrast to the emergence of a highly manipulative narrative that had parallels in both the art world and the manipulation of public perceptions by the military-industrial-congressional complex at that time.

    If I were to have been there and taken that photograph I would not have shown her entire naked body. I would have blurred out her form from the waist down or found some other creative way to show the horror she was enduring along with the other children, without showing her form in such a stark manner. The rest of her expressions and those of the other children were more than enough to show us all the very personal and evil outcome of war.

    The analyzation of the photograph as having some other intent behind the editing makes no sense at all and I never heard, in all of the talks we had and those I heard at that time in the media, the manipulation of the photo as being a sample of an isolated incident of a bad apple in the push for justifying an inhumane military agenda. There were so many atrocities happening and those that we heard about, read about, and fought against at that time, that were then more than enough to know what the reality was like for all involved, all except for those who gained profits from their distant controls.

    I never heard that angle, one of this incident being isolated or being discussed in that way, intimating that the rest of the genocide of a population by a foreign power was in any way justified. The false justification the western 'democracies' used were made up of very different components.

    To those who create and profit from the death and misery of others, it really doesn't matter to them what excuse they use. They just didn't use that one. Even they knew that the public, at least back then, was not that ignorant. Manipulated, yes. Just in another way, using another diversion from the truth of their real intentions.
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    Default Re: SophieCo (Sophie Paatovna Shevardnadze)

    I’ve seen the photo first when I was very young.

    Then to my great surprise I found that Kim the girl from the picture is still alive when she gave interview to some kind of American media, years ago.
    I thought she is not only brave but also great soul who helps people to overcome the trauma they have experienced.

    Where Art is concerned, see photos of nuclear blasts as an example of destructive “beauty”.

    In 2002, about a month after my ET encounter I’ve seen exhibition of photographs of post blast Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japanese monastery near Rajghir ( the “Vulture Peak” where Buddha taught Prajnaparamita).

    Of course it was not the first time I saw those photos but the collection they had was unique and very lively in fact.
    It showed people, some half burnt running away from the epicenter,
    others, days later munching on some food they found ,
    children catering for each other or their last relative who was dying,
    a man with horse both starved to death yet walking away for days and nights never stopping ..
    and so forth.

    Even in this case and unlike one would imagine the survivors of nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not respected or supported a lot in their native Japan,
    they were treated as “tabu” and damaged people to whom no one has ever offered a decent job.


    In my eyes no genocide is ever justified.


    There isn’t a moment in my mind that I’d have to think about or what’s the truth, of course I’ve always read the reviews and looked for sides to every conflict as in “there have to be two”, there is no moment I’d blame particular country or their governments for what has happened either because this is history and deeper you look to the history of this civilization , say past 1000 years or more,
    it was rather dark, with many bright corners for sure but I’m talking of the overall picture not of special people who had good luck.

    Personally I hold no attachment or admiration for the past I’d ever wish to return to , realistically speaking.

    What concerns us the most is the Presence and crimes happening in the presence in front of our eyes yet we are to weak to stop the evil ongoing.

    I’ve been through a lot last 5-6 years that exposed some statutory minds to me in more than one way and more helped me to understand “how are they really doing”,
    what ways the ultra right perspective works for those engaged in them and that those people seldom change their perspectives, they hide some of them in order not to get exposed and confronted but something I always asked about:” Does such absolute evil exist(in some human minds)?) and I’ve understood even though it is temporary but yes, it does,
    the evil intent in those minds is real,
    they only understand it as “good” instead.

    So as I’ve said I’m keeping pictures like this nowhere close to open in my mind,
    it’s also you, it’s also me in the picture, just another little girl running for life.


    It makes me think nothing, feel nothing but extreme sadness.


    Guess that’s quite logical and it’s how I will feel on the last day on this planet anyway.


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    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)
    And the list goes on and on...

    Julian Assange and Private Manning still paying for this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvFpT-iypw
    This is beyond words. Instead of saying we just killed 8 they use the term "engaged". Now that I am becoming aware of the level of programming that is thrown at us, it is easy to see how language is changed to change the act of slaughtering 8 people walking peacefully down the street to we "engaged" 8 people. Those people that did the killing got to go home and be heroes and suffer from PTSD if they weren't psychopathic. And how on earth could that act have been a benefit to anyone?

    It's amazing how any behavior can become ok if the "authorities" say it is. That has always been the the biggest problem that plagues humanity.

    You are right. The ones that paid the price for this are the ones that dared to reveal it.
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    I agree with all of Your insights Malisa, but the contention of the 'analysts' is ridiculous. Americans were never told that the South Vietnamese troops attacked their own, at least in relation to this photograph. The war machine profiteers knew that if they insinuated that it would have been an obvious lie. They did much worse than that by creating the false flag, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, killing their president and others who fought their propaganda war, while they lied about every single reason for American soldiers to be there.

    Only the Americans had and used napalm on the peoples of Vietnam. The NVA, the North Vietnamese regulars and the VC, the Viet Cong, never had access to the horrible and inhumane weapon that burned people alive, ate the skin off of their bones and gave them unbearable pain while dying, or even worse if they survived. The VC had their own cruelties to subject their own people to, threats and guerrilla tactics not as modern as those being used on them, those enhanced by the profiteers of war.

    We all knew when we saw that picture of Kim that the soldiers were South Vietnamese soldiers telling the children to run to safety and help. I Do remember the original and much larger picture of many more children running to safety. Seeing the edited version was an unnecessary manipulation of the subject matter, the living and dying that the war caused....and all for profit, the reason that they killed Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr., as well as Bobby Kennedy and many others.

    Why and how could Americans ever forget that the wars they allowed their politicians, their global corporate overlords, to inflict on other nations would ultimately come home and inflict their horrors on their own countrymen?

    Now is that time. Now that debt is being faced. Now all of the psychological manipulation, the financial devastation, the inhumanities perpetrated on other humans in other countries is being used on those who were quiet and content in their comforts and their entertainments, their entrainments into soulless distractions, while their minds are being taken away from them. This too is the necessary path to changes needed, even as we do our best to navigate turbulent waters in troubled times.

    We are doing better than all of that, even with our flaws, our strengths, our sincerities and our own healings. I do not forget what I saw and what I felt and my efforts to learn the truth.

    This is the the absolute truth for the US, whether we want to hear it or not. It is a very hard truth to bear on so many levels.

    At this very moment there are so very few that can comprehend that this same empire that would cause endless suffering to others outside the US have now turned their same techniques on their own citizens. It is so far beyond the comprehension of many, in fact it is inconceivable. There are so many that believe we are intervening in the elections and lives of other countries to help them. That the tax payer money dished out to other countries is simply "aid". They still see the US as the good guys out to protect the world from tyranny, while tyranny is right in their faces...all this because we put our trust in the "officials", the "authorities" and the "experts", rather than using our own heart based intuition and instinct..

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    All very valid points, views and posts all.
    SophieCo (Sophie Paatovna Shevardnadze) is really worth watching, listening to for sure.


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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    All very valid points, views and posts all.
    SophieCo (Sophie Paatovna Shevardnadze) is really worth watching, listening to for sure.


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    Yes, Alan. It is a bit off topic, and I have done that often here, yet I would be happy as a reporter if the subject matter I discussed was carried on by others. That would mean that I had presented the matters at hand well enough to engage the audience into their participation and not into some cult-of-personality that much of the news has become. Sophie presents herself in this manner.

    She is actually a Real Reporter, stepping out of the way so that discussion and inquiry are the result of her presentations. Her moments of light heartedness are welcomed, and like any good reporter she lightens up those she interviews when she sees them as being imbalanced and not aware of the impact of the incompleteness of their professional paths, things that many of us see.

    The interview with the anti-aging scientist is such a good example of how she tries to give another perspective to an otherwise interesting personality, who is openly so protective of his viewpoint, a seemingly coherent one at that, that is missing some components that affect his approaches to his chosen field. I remember reading his area of study and his conclusions back some 10 years ago. He hasn't changed much at all.

    And even though he presented some very balanced perspectives on slowing down the aging process, not aiming his research at bodily immortality, he is missing some key ingredients in wider and more accessible areas of sustaining health. He copped out by giving the excuse that he is only a scientist, which is true but it negates the reality that many academics have been trained to not look into the totality of the subject matter, namely the manipulated and highly immoral use of the science they pursue.

    Too few are the Robert Oppenheimers, who evaluate the consequences of their actions and their creative discoveries, yet it is just that power of openly expressing their personal responsibility that makes them part of the human race.

    Oppenheimer said this in response to his experience of realizing what his guidance in creating an atomic weapon had done to affect the future of the survival, the moral consequence of disregarding the impact of discovery upon the fate of all humanity:

    “We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.”

    And to give it historical context, the Hindu scriptures were based on facts, not some mythical creation of the activities of gods, whether he was aware of this or not. The creation of mineral deposits that only can come from thermo-nuclear reactions has happened four times before on this planet and one such layer of these deposits came from the time that the Bhagavad Gita references.

    When Sophie suggested he looked like Fyodor Dostoevsky it was her attempt to shake him a little loose of his encapsulated, insular rhetoric. Unfortunately his response that he looked like Rasputin, showed he just wasn't getting her gentle attempt at nudging him into thinking just a little bit differently, which is something that anyone would think is at the heart of an inquisitive, truly scientific mindset. And no, he looks nothing like Grigori Rasputin, even if his interjection of such nonsense may have been another attempt for him to interject some phantom bad boy image he may wish was his.

    The man took a compliment she made comparing him to a brilliant writer and he just went somewhere completely different, which shows how little he was listening to her inquiries. When he went off on the climate change narrative and suggested other amoral avenues that societal controllers may make, he shows how imbalanced so many scientists have been trained to be and continue to be all of these years hence. She is centered and he is off in la-la land somewhere. He has not changed at all in the last 10 years, while she gets it. Yes she is quite good.
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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    Almost everyone is familiar with that photo nowadays but it’s better to close this screen , in my sober opinion, guess why ?

    The times has changed profoundly.

    An isolated individual with great intelligence and integrity may be quite immune to “the rest of the agenda” for sure, whether it is Bill or His Holiness the Dalailama but they are exceptions.
    Sorry to say this but the rest of society are not “immune” to what has happened through last two decades of internet and sexualization of media, education and the rest.

    As the broad context of the photo is already well known , the only thing “they” see at the end is naked child. It triggers them almost instantly, probably with both sadistic and sexual context.
    For me, i did not even know about this picture or what happened, at least 8 years ago, i learned about it sometime later. The kind of stuff that happened back then is not talked at all these days, so if you find out about it, it's because you were looking for it.

    The idea being that if no one wonders or looks for it, it will be swept away from history and forgotten entirely

    You know about it from before, if it had been hidden away more than it already is, i would not even know about it, at all. And my views of the world would be completely different by now, i suppose

    So how to handle that? I know people who are 18 or so and don't know about this, or even if they heard about it a bit, don't care to look more into it, so they are basically clueless. How will that work? Isn't that the "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

    Maybe for people who saw it happening it's like what you describe, but if you hide it away then what new generations are going to do? Think everything is ok and go do whatever they want, once again, because it's a 'grab what you can while you can' thing once again?

    In personal experience, i have seen it happening soon enough by now, and in a "ad nauseam" way already. I mean "history repeating"
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    Quote Posted by Hym (here)
    She is actually a Real Reporter
    In the past, she made some interviews that did not made it, so she had to lower the bar, so to speak

    Quote When Sophie suggested he looked like Fyodor Dostoevsky it was her attempt to shake him a little loose of his encapsulated, insular rhetoric. Unfortunately his response that he looked like Rasputin, showed he just wasn't getting her gentle attempt at nudging him into thinking just a little bit differently, which is something that anyone would think is at the heart of an inquisitive, truly scientific mindset. And no, he looks nothing like Grigori Rasputin, even if his interjection of such nonsense may have been another attempt for him to interject some phantom bad boy image he may wish was his.
    On the original interview, she laughed and he stood there like a moron, but he actually laughed too before when she actually kind of said "sorry" but not quite, and then he said the Rasputin thing. You can actually hear her last laugh suddenly go out before he starts the Rasputin sentence. Her laugh moment got edited out of the "official" video. It was around before, but not on RT of course

    "When she laughs, she laughs" and there's no stopping it... Not even Putin would dare to stop her at that moment, trust me... You should listen to her on radio and live


    Quote The man took a compliment she made comparing him to a brilliant writer and he just went somewhere completely different, which shows how little he was listening to her inquiries. When he went off on the climate change narrative and suggested other amoral avenues that societal controllers may make, he shows how imbalanced so many scientists have been trained to be and continue to be all of these years hence. She is centered and he is off in la-la land somewhere. He has not changed at all in the last 10 years, while she gets it. Yes she is quite good.
    Well he had to make the best out of the situation, i guess lol

    He definitely is a square person, and he makes sure those edges are kept perfectly in line with a square, he doesn't like to round them just one little bit

    Regardless, i still think the ideas that come out of this interview are worthy on their own, about life experiences. How it could all may affect the perception of what "life is" and what "dying" means
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    I don't perfectly align with what was discussed, but one thing is certain from my POV

    "Lots of people Willfully Choose Ignorance, The Malady of Our Times"
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