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    Default How do you see the next 50 years?

    How do you see the next 50 years?
    Describe this time from your point of view, as if you are from a movie "Back to the Future".

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    I think these next 50 years are the hardest to see, it's beyond me to see at the present.
    What could change, there is just so many things on the edge atmo

    Health of the people ?
    Health of the planet ?
    Space could certainly be interesting what with Space xl
    Maned moon landings and poss Mars.

    Food, and water ???
    People control as in TPTB having power ???

    Things are going to go POP.
    Interesting post wonder what replies will come.
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    2070 should have about 16 billion people on Earth.
    That's 2 times current population, requiring 2 times as much food production, and so on and so forth.
    Suggestions:
    [] Consolidate population -
    [] Reclaim farmlands taken by suburbia -
    [] Transition to electric traction rail transportation -
    [] "Thicken" the life bearing volume by multilevel construction -
    [] Reduce resource consumption, by doing more with less, so more can enjoy.

    YEAR . . . 50 yr dlbling rate
    2000 . . . 6.000E+09
    2010 . . . 6.886E+09
    2020 . . . 7.902E+09 <=
    2030 . . . 9.068E+09
    2040 . . . 1.041E+10
    2050 . . . 1.194E+10
    2060 . . . 1.371E+10
    2070 . . . 1.573E+10

    2021 AD . . . 7.92E+09 (pretty close!)

    Of course, this natural increase may be skewed by other factors.
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    Default Re: How do you see the next 50 years?

    The scarcity paradigm cannot be extended that far out, at this point in history.

    Reproduction is a choice, as is lifestyle. We can and will choose a better way.

    I believe in 50 years this world will be unrecognizable from today's perspective.

    It will either be devoid of life (not my choice) or it will be a marvellous world of abundance (my choice) with pristine, clean, clear air water and land.

    Let's choose wisely...
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    The scarcity paradigm cannot be extended that far out, at this point in history.
    Reproduction is a choice, as is lifestyle. We can and will choose a better way.
    I believe in 50 years this world will be unrecognizable from today's perspective.
    It will either be devoid of life (not my choice) or it will be a marvellous world of abundance (my choice) with pristine, clean, clear air water and land.
    Let's choose wisely...
    I support more abundant life, and therefore reproduction isn't a choice, except between survival and extinction. Who's grandchildren do you wish to destroy?

    The fears of overpopulation have been raised for thousands of years. In each case, those who raised the alarm were blinded by their own narrow vision.

    Prosperity is based on the prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. And since production is based on human labor amplified by tools and machinery, higher populations should generate higher prosperity.

    Any impediment in that outcome is not due to population pressures, but the warping of civilization by the myriad predators that feed on producers, who use governments, usury, money madness, and other means to skim vast fortunes at the expense of the (m)asses.

    Enlightened self interest would steer the world differently.

    To illustrate, the most efficient form of land transport is electric traction rail. The reason is the co:efficient of rolling resistance. A steel wheel on steel rail car takes 1/20th the power of a pneumatic tire on pavement vehicle to move the same load the same distance.

    But many nations, America especially, skewed its choice of land transport away from railroading. Why?
    A breakdown of the average family budget:
    33% housing
    16% transportation (private autos)
    13% food
    . . . .
    In the European Union:
    22% housing
    13.8% food
    12.7% transportation (more options)
    . . . .
    The irony is that though Europeans use rail mass transit, the automobile ownership per capita is HIGHER than the USA. By reducing their consumption of fuel per capita, they're more prosperous.

    "Someone" is making their fortunes from limiting the transportation choices of Americans.
    . . . .
    AUTO OWNERSHIP PER CAPITA
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...er-capita.html
    Per 1000 population
    #1 Monaco (748)
    #2 Iceland (667)
    #3 Brunei (649)
    #4 New Zealand (615)
    #5 Puerto Rico (614)
    #6 Italy (601)
    #7 Germany (566)
    #8 Australia (545)
    #9 Switzerland (524)
    #10 Austria (511)
    ::
    #25 USA (439)
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    https://www.goeuro.com/buses/switzerland
    Switzerland’s public transport system is recognised as one of the finest in the world, thanks to its dense network of road, bus and train lines. There aren’t any long-distance buses in Switzerland, as trains tend to provide more capacity, are faster, more reliable and also CHEAPER. Buses serve more as feeder routes that link train stations with out of the way destinations.
    If the USA was to shift its focus, it might copy Switzerland in restoring its once premier rail network.

    Barring a technological breakthrough in land transport, I would predict that America (and many other nations) will have a renaissance of railways, in all formats : heavy freight, fast passenger, urban, suburban, subway, suspended monorail, cogwheel, funicular, and so on.

    The current push for battery electric vehicles will be a disaster, reducing the mobility of families in the long run. (Government subsidy of BEVs exposes the underlying problem - inherent high cost to build, buy and operate such vehicles. But the hegemony will be pleased. The taxpayer won't.)

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vis...t-to-smallest/
    Political borders have claimed virtually every piece of land available. Despite this, only 20% of land on the planet has been visibly impacted by human activity, and only 15% of Earth’s land surface is formally under protection. The remaining 80% of the land hosts natural ecosystems that help to purify air and water, recycle nutrients, enhance soil fertility, pollinate plants, and break down waste products.
    . . . .
    If folks really want to "preserve" the 80%, then the only option is to consolidate rising populations into rail served high density urban environments, and dismantle "suburban sprawl" that took out farmland.

    That's a far better solution than killing off potential grandchildren to insure some arbitrary "sustainable" paradigm.
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    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    2070 should have about 16 billion people on Earth.
    [] Consolidate population -
    [] Reclaim farmlands taken by suburbia -
    [] Transition to electric traction rail transportation -
    [] "Thicken" the life bearing volume by multilevel construction -
    [] Reduce resource consumption, by doing more with less, so more can enjoy.
    If modern civilization could decouple itself from money madness and its inherent limitations, we might see the following changes:
    [] Urban renewal. In parallel with the restoration of rail based transportation, villages, towns, and cities would be rebuilt to favor compactness instead of automobile centric design. Surrounding suburbs might become farms, once more, to help supply food, locally grown, and minimally shipped.
    [] Demise of family farms. Unlike most of the world, American family farms are isolated islands. Most of the world relies on farming villages, where farmers commute to their fields, in the surrounding landscape. A farming village provides a far better lifestyle, offering options for those who can't or won't farm, as well as social interaction. Farming villages also consolidate population, and improve efficiency for rail based transportation.
    [] Expansion of water based transportation. Water transport is the most efficient form, so it makes sense to engineer more navigable waterways. This may involve sea ports, engineering rivers (ex: Tennessee Valley Authority), rebuilding canals, and so forth.
    [] Thickening the life bearing volume. Instead of static preservation, humanity can embark on amplifying the environment, boosting human and wildlife habitat. Instead of sterile human-only habitats, cities might incorporate wildlife habitats into their architecture. Large buildings might have helical ramps on exteriors, providing wildlife an environment isolated from human contact but visible from within and without. Flat roof tops could be gardens. Whole floors could be reserved for zoological purposes.
    [] Reduce consumption while providing more. Encourage superinsulated buildings to reduce the amount of fuel necessary to maintain comfort. More efficient transportation.
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    Default Re: How do you see the next 50 years?

    There is a 'group' .... the Forgotten Languages group (I really should make a thread about them but it is a very large expanse of articles, all hidden in created languages) .... who have posted about different aspects of the coming years and one thing they have said about 50 years from now is ....



    The femtocomputing paradigm

    Modelling Sol-3 Collapsing Technosphere

    "Computers aren't made of matter"

    To survive long-term, advanced civilizations need to use the energy of their parent star as quickly as technologically feasible, and those that don"t are non-randomly removed from the population of galactic civilizations.

    "Assuming Internet stores today at least 1000 Exabytes (1 Exabyte = 1018 bytes) and human knowledge doubling occurs every 12 months, will come a point in the next 50 years (by the year 2063) or maybe before when Internet will consume the total electricity produced worldwide. With current technology this energy would be equivalent to the energy produced by 1,500 nuclear power plants. Once this happens there will be a collapse of the noosphere and possibly part of the biosphere. Therefore, we believe that with the current technology we are really far from reaching the point of technological singularity. "

    "the Internet is a predator species that feeds voraciously on a prey, the electric power"

    "Advanced civilizations noticed that the technosphere produces undesirable outputs, such as pollutants and wastes, but they discovered an efficient way to turn those wastes into information that could then be processed again and turned into knowledge. This knowledge - how to turn wastes into useful information - is what we are looking for in Alpha Mensae-7"



    "Collapsing civilizations are complex systems that continued to grow beyond the limits of their energy budget. This would be true unless such civilization makes the effort to find an efficient mechanism of technological transition. Therefore, there is a limit to the unlimited growth of the technosphere unless we are able to find a new technology with which to build a new technosphere energetically more efficient and therefore sustainable. That is, the crisis of noosphere would be a consequence of the high energy consumption of the technosphere, and therefore the noosphere would inherit from technosphere this major flaw."

    "if our civilization continues with a similar technology to current, the noosphere will store an amount of information equal to 4,295x1012. On that date the noosphere will consume a 66% of the overall electric power produced on Earth or equivalently the electrical energy produced by 990 nuclear power plants."

    "Sol-3 has to face in the near future a technological transition which would result into a new computer architecture, one that would be sustainable in terms of energy consumption. Only then would Sol-3 be able to reach the technological singularity, and only then contact with them would be feasible. The question is whether humans will evolve ethically or not, for if they insist in being ethically retarded contact won't be the gift they expect. At all."

    "if you want your civilization at some time to reach the singularity point you will have to change both the technology that currently sustains your noosphere, and to become an ethically advanced species. Both things you need to do. Not just the former. Learn this, and learn this forever."

    "the concept of technological singularity promises a limitless evolution of humankind, but forgets that energy is a limited resource always, everywhere. There is no such a thing as a technological singularity for those civilizations that are unable to obtain energy wisely, and certainly Sol-3 performs very poorly in what concerns this issue"

    https://forgottenlanguages-full.forg...modelling.html

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So in 50 years, unless things change, ALL production of electrical power will be used by the internet!
    Normal..!

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    Default Re: How do you see the next 50 years?

    if it continuing "evolving" at this rate we are seeing, in few decades it will be no different than a >>> ZOO <<<
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    A chaos to the sense, a Kosmos to the reason.

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    IMHO, when someone uses bafflegab to argue their point, I find that there is nothing there, but hot air.
    The tricksters rely on your assumption that when you can't follow their misdirecting patter, you must be wrong, not them. Even presidents rely on the hot air con to beguile the sheeple.
    “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”
    ~ John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address
    Sounds so sweet, eh?
    But if you understood that American governments have two jobs : Secure rights, and govern those who consent, you might question exactly what kind of swill was Kennedy peddling.

    Was Kennedy asking you NOT to ask government to do its job - secure rights - but instead have you serve government?

    What else can "country" refer to, if not the government?
    Dirt? Dirt can't do anything for you. People at large? They'll tell you to take a hike if you ask them all to "do for you."

    Kennedy was telling the good little socialist serfs to stop asking for more entitlements, and instead, be good little donors. You know - to each according to his needs - from each according to his abilities.
    The Collectivist Mantra.
    Hail Marx!

    Yup. Kennedy was true blue - ahem - red - and was elected much like Biden was. . . with the help of Daddy's ill gotten wealth and connections.

    In that light, I foresee that the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF AMERICA will supplant the constitutional governments of these united States of America, long before 2070.

    CYNICAL PESSIMIST MODE ON
    in America,
    With the ever rising national debt, and concurrent debt service (interest), more and more revenues will be diverted from government usage. And that, in turn, will drive CONgress to enact even more deficit spending. The tax shift inflation will debauch the currency even more, and folks will be demanding relief.

    The recipient to donor ratio will change, and not in a good way.
    As the recipient population keeps rising (pensioners, beneficiaries) while the tax paying population dwindles (thanks to genocidal socialism), "something" will break.
    Either a taxpayer revolt or a recipient riot, or both, depending.

    And waiting in the wings, is the PDSRA shock troops to "maintain order" and "insure fairness in the distribution" of necessities, confiscated from those who "have" for the benefit of those who "have not" - minus a cut for the management.

    Of course, when you confiscate surplus, you destroy any incentive to create surplus. And without surplus, you have poverty - though equitably distributed. (Excepting the elite leadership)

    Thanks to high taxation and intrusive regulations, everyone will "work" for the government, and everyone will be "taken care of" by the government... equally. Except some will be "more equal" than others. Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

    The following generations will curse the memory of their ancestors for their foolishness. But we'll be long dead.
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    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    The scarcity paradigm cannot be extended that far out, at this point in history.
    Reproduction is a choice, as is lifestyle. We can and will choose a better way.
    I believe in 50 years this world will be unrecognizable from today's perspective.
    It will either be devoid of life (not my choice) or it will be a marvellous world of abundance (my choice) with pristine, clean, clear air water and land.
    Let's choose wisely...
    I support more abundant life, and therefore reproduction isn't a choice, except between survival and extinction. Who's grandchildren do you wish to destroy?

    The fears of overpopulation have been raised for thousands of years. In each case, those who raised the alarm were blinded by their own narrow vision.

    Prosperity is based on the prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed. And since production is based on human labor amplified by tools and machinery, higher populations should generate higher prosperity.

    Any impediment in that outcome is not due to population pressures, but the warping of civilization by the myriad predators that feed on producers, who use governments, usury, money madness, and other means to skim vast fortunes at the expense of the (m)asses.

    Enlightened self interest would steer the world differently.

    To illustrate, the most efficient form of land transport is electric traction rail. The reason is the co:efficient of rolling resistance. A steel wheel on steel rail car takes 1/20th the power of a pneumatic tire on pavement vehicle to move the same load the same distance.

    But many nations, America especially, skewed its choice of land transport away from railroading. Why?
    A breakdown of the average family budget:
    33% housing
    16% transportation (private autos)
    13% food
    . . . .
    In the European Union:
    22% housing
    13.8% food
    12.7% transportation (more options)
    . . . .
    The irony is that though Europeans use rail mass transit, the automobile ownership per capita is HIGHER than the USA. By reducing their consumption of fuel per capita, they're more prosperous.

    "Someone" is making their fortunes from limiting the transportation choices of Americans.
    . . . .
    AUTO OWNERSHIP PER CAPITA
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...er-capita.html
    Per 1000 population
    #1 Monaco (748)
    #2 Iceland (667)
    #3 Brunei (649)
    #4 New Zealand (615)
    #5 Puerto Rico (614)
    #6 Italy (601)
    #7 Germany (566)
    #8 Australia (545)
    #9 Switzerland (524)
    #10 Austria (511)
    ::
    #25 USA (439)
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    https://www.goeuro.com/buses/switzerland
    Switzerland’s public transport system is recognised as one of the finest in the world, thanks to its dense network of road, bus and train lines. There aren’t any long-distance buses in Switzerland, as trains tend to provide more capacity, are faster, more reliable and also CHEAPER. Buses serve more as feeder routes that link train stations with out of the way destinations.
    If the USA was to shift its focus, it might copy Switzerland in restoring its once premier rail network.

    Barring a technological breakthrough in land transport, I would predict that America (and many other nations) will have a renaissance of railways, in all formats : heavy freight, fast passenger, urban, suburban, subway, suspended monorail, cogwheel, funicular, and so on.

    The current push for battery electric vehicles will be a disaster, reducing the mobility of families in the long run. (Government subsidy of BEVs exposes the underlying problem - inherent high cost to build, buy and operate such vehicles. But the hegemony will be pleased. The taxpayer won't.)

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vis...t-to-smallest/
    Political borders have claimed virtually every piece of land available. Despite this, only 20% of land on the planet has been visibly impacted by human activity, and only 15% of Earth’s land surface is formally under protection. The remaining 80% of the land hosts natural ecosystems that help to purify air and water, recycle nutrients, enhance soil fertility, pollinate plants, and break down waste products.
    . . . .
    If folks really want to "preserve" the 80%, then the only option is to consolidate rising populations into rail served high density urban environments, and dismantle "suburban sprawl" that took out farmland.

    That's a far better solution than killing off potential grandchildren to insure some arbitrary "sustainable" paradigm.

    Everything you said is a choice. Choosing rubber wheels over steel is one. Choosing to live in urban centers is another. And you also assume no change, no advance, same choices. That is why extrapolating outward predicts catastrophe.

    Choosing to reproduce responsibly does not force anyone to choose life or death for another.

    Abundance through production is not abundance at all. More crap is not 'richer'. I think we are on completely different wavelengths.

    Makes me think of the predictive programs used by Mr. Ferguson to model the pandemic response. Completely off.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Everything you said is a choice. Choosing rubber wheels over steel is one. Choosing to live in urban centers is another. And you also assume no change, no advance, same choices. That is why extrapolating outward predicts catastrophe.

    Choosing to reproduce responsibly does not force anyone to choose life or death for another.

    Abundance through production is not abundance at all. More crap is not 'richer'. I think we are on completely different wavelengths.

    Makes me think of the predictive programs used by Mr. Ferguson to model the pandemic response. Completely off.
    If you are making the choice, perhaps.
    If someone else is making the choice, but you have nothing to say about it, you're stuck with the consequences.
    (Like the hegemony's destruction of urban streetcars / railways)
    . . .
    There is no such thing a "reproducing responsibly," except in a socialist paradise.
    (LOL)
    It’s basic BioWar - he who makes the descendants, inherits the Earth. He who does not, goes extinct.
    And the socialist nations are committing suicide.
    (Look up the "Graying of Europe")
    . . .
    CRAP?
    Quote Prosperity is based on the prodigious production of surplus usable goods and services, equitably traded and enjoyed.
    . . .
    Isn't poverty defined as lacking the necessities ?
    So the prodigious production of necessities is crap ?
    . . .
    We'll have to agree to disagree.
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    Default Re: How do you see the next 50 years?

    Could anyone have predicted the Two World Wars?

    Or the socialist movement in America in the 60s?

    Or travelling to the moon.

    Or the computer.

    Or satellites, cell phones, nuclear power?

    Each one of these revolutionized our world. Had we chosen otherwise we could have rode these techs into the sunlight.

    But we didn't. We chose to use them to enrich a few lives and burden the rest. We are burdened by a fake money system that steals the wealth of all those that acquiesce to accepting their paper strips for their recompense.

    Ask Wade Frazier if he foresees disaster as the only way forward. He claims a few hundred million is all it would take to industrialize free energy for everyone. That would put a very big dent in your catastrophism theory. Because that is all we need right now to free the peoples of the world - free energy frees the world.

    So while you continue in the negative frame, I continue to propose there is another way, and that way can become reality over night if we would only choose another way. It is all about choice.

    After two years of covid, there are still those of us who will not give in, who refuse to accept the narrative, and who continue to advocate for truth and the scientific method. After two years the world is beginning to turn around. Soon the narrative will collapse under its own preponderance of falsity. It only took those that refused to believe in the official narrative.

    The official narrative is the narrative of catastrophism. It is a controlled take down of the western world in favour of the new third world worker of the future. It is again the narrative of fear and panic, deliberately so in order to facilitate emotional decisions devoid of common sense.

    The only way forward is by choice. The only way forward is to dispel all the lies. The only way forward is in solidarity. The only way forward is through love. Not fear.

    There is another way. It is right around the corner. All that is in our way is the avarice of our leaders and the entrenched ignorance in our places of higher learning. It would be an easy feat to remove the detritus by choice and choose another way. But to do so requires sacrifice. To do so requires bravery. To do so requires study and a love of learning, a genuine yearning for learning.

    But without fear. Fear only leads to panic and poor decisions.

    Fear is the fall back position of the weak, the lazy, the apathetic.

    We can and will turn this around. There is tech out there that will revolutionize the notion of catastrophism. We are not stupid consumers. We are human beings. Let's redefine what that means right now. Let's realize we are limitless in our potential.

    We can do anything we put our minds to.

    This is not the end.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Could anyone have predicted the Two World Wars?

    Or the socialist movement in America in the 60s?

    Or travelling to the moon.

    Or the computer.

    Or satellites, cell phones, nuclear power?

    Each one of these revolutionized our world. Had we chosen otherwise we could have rode these techs into the sunlight.

    But we didn't. We chose to use them to enrich a few lives and burden the rest. We are burdened by a fake money system that steals the wealth of all those that acquiesce to accepting their paper strips for their recompense.

    Ask Wade Frazier if he foresees disaster as the only way forward. He claims a few hundred million is all it would take to industrialize free energy for everyone. That would put a very big dent in your catastrophism theory. Because that is all we need right now to free the peoples of the world - free energy frees the world.

    So while you continue in the negative frame, I continue to propose there is another way, and that way can become reality over night if we would only choose another way. It is all about choice.

    After two years of covid, there are still those of us who will not give in, who refuse to accept the narrative, and who continue to advocate for truth and the scientific method. After two years the world is beginning to turn around. Soon the narrative will collapse under its own preponderance of falsity. It only took those that refused to believe in the official narrative.

    The official narrative is the narrative of catastrophism. It is a controlled take down of the western world in favour of the new third world worker of the future. It is again the narrative of fear and panic, deliberately so in order to facilitate emotional decisions devoid of common sense.

    The only way forward is by choice. The only way forward is to dispel all the lies. The only way forward is in solidarity. The only way forward is through love. Not fear.

    There is another way. It is right around the corner. All that is in our way is the avarice of our leaders and the entrenched ignorance in our places of higher learning. It would be an easy feat to remove the detritus by choice and choose another way. But to do so requires sacrifice. To do so requires bravery. To do so requires study and a love of learning, a genuine yearning for learning.

    But without fear. Fear only leads to panic and poor decisions.

    Fear is the fall back position of the weak, the lazy, the apathetic.

    We can and will turn this around. There is tech out there that will revolutionize the notion of catastrophism. We are not stupid consumers. We are human beings. Let's redefine what that means right now. Let's realize we are limitless in our potential.

    We can do anything we put our minds to.

    This is not the end.

    Excellent post. Because we have been bred to be ignorant to our true potential, I might add that it's going to take something big and totally unexpected to happen, to shake us all out of this apathy to change ourselves. It's coming though.

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    FYI : "Free Energy" is hokum bunko.

    And if it were possible, it would be a DISASTER.
    Stop and think - if suddenly 8 billion people had "free and unlimited energy" to do "stuff" what would happen to all that waste heat from friction?
    The Earth would be plagued by "real" global warming.

    Any work done, any movement, and especially high speed flight would dump waste heat into the environment.

    THE CONCORDE
    As the speed increases above about Mach 1, where the temperature begins to increase, the skin temperature reaches a maximum of 120°C (248°F) after exposure while cruising at Mach 2.2. (At Mach 2.0, the skin temperature would stay below 100°C (212°F); at Mach 2.4, it would reach 150°C (302°F.)
    And that's at high altitude where the air is quite chill.
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    I share the view that the technological singularity will be reached inside 30 years.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    If it is true that our Universe is an electrical construct, and UFO's repel air molecules using electromagnetic forces, thereby not increasing the temperature of the medium through which they propel, that opens immediately room for creative expansion. If automobiles created their own electricity as they moved (a very easy thing to do), we can get rid of that problem and many others transport and energy creation. We are wonderfully creative if we scrap the limiting ideas of keeping things as they are in order to create, for instance, unnecessary batteries to make the rich richer. We can turn coal into diamond to make domed cities and housing, flying transport driven by computerized avoidance systems to eliminate crashes, roads, etc. Floating cities on the ocean as well as high in the atmosphere, employing technologies already patented and which are allowed to be patented by eliminating the CONSTIPATED system of greedy control of knowledge by those lacking in imagination, who desire endless power and possessions. The young, new brains are halted by lack of money to so much as purchase simple tools, never mind employing advanced technology to create even more advancements in creation for the world's people. Finally, we are in an endless Universe of MIND which creates SPACE which is ROOM for EXPANSION of everything. We must find empty planets and make homes out of them. It is what we are supposed to do, not devour each other, from Animal to Human. Recreate the Garden of Eden everywhere. Replenish the oceans, the deserts, and so on. Those who create inflationary banking cannot see their system is stifling creative expansion and restricting possibilities for all.

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    @amor, relating to your postulate about electric means, how come no mention ever of sonic booms from the fast ones? To me that feature jives with high speed interplanetary travel, where ubiquitous ‘environmental’ particles and lumps would spell calamity for a solely physical passage. Must rather be a trans-dimensional thing, methinks. Funny how light comes through tho, maybe light is a ‘universal’ thing... 😗

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    [1] Could anyone have predicted the Two World Wars?
    [2] Or the socialist movement in America in the 60s?
    [3] Or travelling to the moon.
    [4] Or the computer.
    [5] Or satellites, [6] cell phones, [7] nuclear power?
    [1] Several Science Fiction writers predicted widespread wars & socialism. George Orwell's "1984."
    "Things to Come" 1936 - depicted a world war & the terrors of aerial bombardment, too.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028358...nm_flmg_act_45
    Based on H.G. Wells novel "The Shape of Things to Come" (1933).

    [2] Technically speaking, American socialism began in 1933, when governments started taking from one to give to another. It did take a "State of Emergency" to bypass the constitution, but "Saint" FDR never let law get in his way.

    [3] "From the Earth to the Moon," by Jules Verne.
    "First Men In the Moon," by H.G. Wells.
    "Rocket Ship Galileo," by Robert Heinlein.
    But the granddaddy has got to be Rocket-powered space flight by Cyrano de Bergerac, in 1657.

    [4] Computing machines have been a staple of science fiction. However the miniaturization via "printed circuits" was not foreseen. Even those who knew of bipolar transistors didn't have a clue about metal-oxide-semiconductor field-effect transistors using a self aligning polysilicon gate (a transistor manufacturing feature whereby a refractory gate electrode region of a MOSFET transistor is used as a mask for the doping of the source and drain regions) on a diffusion layer (created by literally pushing atoms into a solid surface) of p or n doping to create a logic circuit in a central processing unit in a personal computer that creates a tiny machine of 9 billion switches...or thereabouts.

    WHAT THE FUTURISTS DIDN'T EXPECT....
    Supercomputers dwarfed by modern "smart" phones.

    CRAY-1 Supercomputer (1975)
    CPU - 64 bit @ 80 MHz
    Memory - 8.39 MB RAM
    Storage - 303 MB
    FLOPS - 160 MFLOPS
    Wt - 5.5 tons
    Power - 115 kW
    - - - - - - -

    iPhone 12 (2021)
    CPU - sixteen core CPU @ 3.1 Ghz (3,100 MHz)
    GPU - 4 core
    Memory - 6 GB DRAM
    Storage : 64 GB (64,000 MB)
    . . . . . . . - 128 GB (optional)
    . . . . . . . - 256 GB (optional)
    FLOPS - 11 TFLOPS (11,000,000 MFLOPS)
    Wt. - 5.78 oz.
    Power - 3.9 W

    FLOPS = Floating Point Operations Per Second (large size variables in math equations)
    RAM = Random Access Memory (what the CPU reads and writes to most of the time); loses content when power is off

    The irony is that most modern "supercomputers" are used to play video games and "harvest" cryptocurrencies.

    [5] Satellites, specifically communications satellites, were envisioned by Arthur C. Clarke, who dabbled in science fiction writing, floated the idea of global communications satellites in a 1945 letter to the publication Wireless World. However permanently occupied orbital stations have been part of science fiction for decades before that.

    [6] Duplex Radio telephones are an old idea (relatively speaking). However, due to the limitation of frequency bandwidth, the thought that millions would be able to use them was not considered feasible. UNTIL - the combination of low powered transceivers (in cells that wouldn't cause interference) - and digitally encoded spread spectrum technology (first patented in WW2 by Hedy Lamar) was feasible, via low cost computers.

    [7] The discovery of nuclear fission occurred in 1938 following over four decades of work on the science of radioactivity and the elaboration of new nuclear physics that described the components of atoms. Soon after the discovery of the fission process, it was realized that a fissioning nucleus can induce further nucleus fissions, thus inducing a self-sustaining chain reaction. Once this was experimentally confirmed in 1939, scientists in many countries petitioned their governments for support of nuclear fission research, just on the cusp of World War II, for the development of a nuclear weapon. In the United States, these research efforts led to the creation of the first man-made nuclear reactor, the Chicago Pile-1, which achieved criticality on December 2, 1942. The reactor's development was part of the Manhattan Project, the Allied effort to create atomic bombs during World War II. It led to the building of larger single-purpose production reactors for the production of weapons-grade plutonium for use in the first nuclear weapons. The United States tested the first nuclear weapon in July 1945, the Trinity test, with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki taking place one month later.

    Various science fiction writers relied on an unexplained / mysterious power source (Jules Verne, Edgar Rice Burroughs, E.E. "Doc" Smith, etc.) that was "too dangerous" to give to the world at large.

    MORE visionaries
    https://rossdawson.com/savvy-sci-fi-...of-their-time/

    The Description of a New World, Called The Blazing-World (1666), a book about a satirical utopian kingdom, written by Margaret Cavendish, the Duchess of Newcastle. The book is perhaps the only known work of utopian fiction by a woman in the 17th century, as well as one of the earliest examples of what we now call science fiction. Cavendish’s protagonist talks to sentient animals about various scientific theories, including atomic theory, before traveling home in a submarine when she hears that her homeland is under threat.

    Debit cards: Edward Bellamy, 1888

    Edward Bellamy’s novel Looking Backward: 2000 to 1887 featured an American utopian society that used so-called “credit cards”. Bellamy’s concept actually relates more to debit cards and spending social security dividends than borrowing from a bank. The main character describes how people are given a stated amount of credit on their card to purchase goods from the public storehouses:
    “You observe,” he pursued as I was curiously examining the piece of pasteboard he gave me, “that this card is issued for a certain number of dollars. We have kept the old word, but not the substance…The value of what I procure on this card is checked off by the clerk, who pricks out of these tiers of squares the price of what I order.”
    Debit cards and credit cards would be invented more than 60 years later.

    Atomic bomb: H.G. Wells, 1914

    One of the most unfortunate legacies of science fiction is the genre’s inspiration for the atomic bomb. In The World Set Free, H.G. Wells predicted that a new type of bomb fueled by nuclear reactions would be detonated in the 1956. It happened even sooner than he thought. Physicist Leó Szilárd apparently read Wells’s book and patented the idea. Szilárd was later directly involved in the Manhattan Project, which led to the tragedy of nuclear bombs being dropped on Japan in 1945. Strikingly, Wells not only spelled out the idea of a sustained atomic reaction, he also predicted the moral and ethical horror that people would feel upon the use of atomic bombs, and the radioactive ruin that would last long after the bomb was dropped.

    Microwavable heat-n-eat food: Robert Heinlein, 1948

    In Space Cadet, famous sci-fi author Robert Heinlein took the newly invented microwave one step further by predicting the rise of ready-to-eat, microwavable food:

    “Theoretically every ration taken aboard a Patrol vessel is pre-cooked and ready for eating as soon as it is taken out of freeze and subjected to the number of seconds, plainly marked on the package, of high-frequency heating required.”

    It took a few decades before Heinlein’s vision became an everyday reality.
    Heinlein is also credited with inventing the waterbed, remote actuators ("Waldoes" named after Waldo, the eponymous character in his novel "Waldo"), and describing the most efficient way to travel to the moon and back (3 vessels, 2 space stations).
    In Friday, a 1982 science fiction novel, he predicted the world wide web and wikipedia, where huge databases were available for those with insatiable curiosity.
    He was barely ahead of technology. Research at CERN in Switzerland by British computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989–90 resulted in the World Wide Web, linking hypertext documents into an information system, accessible from any node on the network.


    MY PREDICTIONS?
    [cracked crystal ball mode on]
    If there is no breakthrough in land based transportation, electric traction rail (steel wheel on steel rail) will become the dominant form for the remainder of the 21st century.
    *Battery Electric Vehicles* are very inefficient, being pneumatic tire on pavement, and require a large public subsidy. Not to mention that lithium reserves are insufficient to support a 1:1 replacement for 286.9 million registered cars (in the USA). Private BEVs will likely be limited to those who are relatively wealthy.

    However, electric unicycles might become widespread, as an adjunct to accessing public transportation. Heinlein predicted them in "The Roads Must Roll."
    https://youtu.be/yz3BMor4jso
    Modern electric unicycles could be the means by which urbanites can enjoy the convenience of door to station transport, and take their wheels along for the ride.

    Based on the growing concern over ecological damage caused by fracking and mining oil shale, those alternative (and expensive) fuel sources will be scaled back, triggering a crisis in supply of petroleum in 2025-2030. The jump in fuel costs will affect food prices (dependent upon mechanical agriculture), and shipping long distances will support the resumption of locally grown foodstuffs, on a smaller scale.

    Home grown foodstuffs will skyrocket in volume - not price. Which, in turn, will depress the market for those particular items.
    (Search on Kratky hydroponics)
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    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    [1] Could anyone have predicted the Two World Wars?
    [2] Or the socialist movement in America in the 60s?
    [3] Or travelling to the moon.
    [4] Or the computer.
    [5] Or satellites, [6] cell phones, [7] nuclear power?
    [1] Several Science Fiction writers predicted widespread wars & socialism. George Orwell's "1984."
    "Things to Come" 1936 - depicted a world war & the terrors of aerial bombardment, too.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028358...nm_flmg_act_45
    Based on H.G. Wells novel "The Shape of Things to Come" (1933).

    [2] Technically speaking, American socialism began in 1933, when governments started taking from one to give to another. It did take a "State of Emergency" to bypass the constitution, but "Saint" FDR never let law get in his way.

    [3] "From the Earth to the Moon," by Jules Verne.
    "First Men In the Moon," by H.G. Wells.
    "Rocket Ship Galileo," by Robert Heinlein.
    But the granddaddy has got to be Rocket-powered space flight by Cyrano de Bergerac, in 1657.

    [4] Computing machines have been a staple of science fiction. However the miniaturization via "printed circuits" was not foreseen. Even those who knew of bipolar transistors didn't have a clue about metal-oxide-semiconductor field-effect transistors using a self aligning polysilicon gate (a transistor manufacturing feature whereby a refractory gate electrode region of a MOSFET transistor is used as a mask for the doping of the source and drain regions) on a diffusion layer (created by literally pushing atoms into a solid surface) of p or n doping to create a logic circuit in a central processing unit in a personal computer that creates a tiny machine of 9 billion switches...or thereabouts.

    WHAT THE FUTURISTS DIDN'T EXPECT....
    Supercomputers dwarfed by modern "smart" phones.

    CRAY-1 Supercomputer (1975)
    CPU - 64 bit @ 80 MHz
    Memory - 8.39 MB RAM
    Storage - 303 MB
    FLOPS - 160 MFLOPS
    Wt - 5.5 tons
    Power - 115 kW
    - - - - - - -

    iPhone 12 (2021)
    CPU - sixteen core CPU @ 3.1 Ghz (3,100 MHz)
    GPU - 4 core
    Memory - 6 GB DRAM
    Storage : 64 GB (64,000 MB)
    . . . . . . . - 128 GB (optional)
    . . . . . . . - 256 GB (optional)
    FLOPS - 11 TFLOPS (11,000,000 MFLOPS)
    Wt. - 5.78 oz.
    Power - 3.9 W

    FLOPS = Floating Point Operations Per Second (large size variables in math equations)
    RAM = Random Access Memory (what the CPU reads and writes to most of the time); loses content when power is off

    The irony is that most modern "supercomputers" are used to play video games and "harvest" cryptocurrencies.

    [5] Satellites, specifically communications satellites, were envisioned by Arthur C. Clarke, who dabbled in science fiction writing, floated the idea of global communications satellites in a 1945 letter to the publication Wireless World. However permanently occupied orbital stations have been part of science fiction for decades before that.

    [6] Duplex Radio telephones are an old idea (relatively speaking). However, due to the limitation of frequency bandwidth, the thought that millions would be able to use them was not considered feasible. UNTIL - the combination of low powered transceivers (in cells that wouldn't cause interference) - and digitally encoded spread spectrum technology (first patented in WW2 by Hedy Lamar) was feasible, via low cost computers.

    [7] The discovery of nuclear fission occurred in 1938 following over four decades of work on the science of radioactivity and the elaboration of new nuclear physics that described the components of atoms. Soon after the discovery of the fission process, it was realized that a fissioning nucleus can induce further nucleus fissions, thus inducing a self-sustaining chain reaction. Once this was experimentally confirmed in 1939, scientists in many countries petitioned their governments for support of nuclear fission research, just on the cusp of World War II, for the development of a nuclear weapon. In the United States, these research efforts led to the creation of the first man-made nuclear reactor, the Chicago Pile-1, which achieved criticality on December 2, 1942. The reactor's development was part of the Manhattan Project, the Allied effort to create atomic bombs during World War II. It led to the building of larger single-purpose production reactors for the production of weapons-grade plutonium for use in the first nuclear weapons. The United States tested the first nuclear weapon in July 1945, the Trinity test, with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki taking place one month later.

    Various science fiction writers relied on an unexplained / mysterious power source (Jules Verne, Edgar Rice Burroughs, E.E. "Doc" Smith, etc.) that was "too dangerous" to give to the world at large.

    MORE visionaries
    https://rossdawson.com/savvy-sci-fi-...of-their-time/

    The Description of a New World, Called The Blazing-World (1666), a book about a satirical utopian kingdom, written by Margaret Cavendish, the Duchess of Newcastle. The book is perhaps the only known work of utopian fiction by a woman in the 17th century, as well as one of the earliest examples of what we now call science fiction. Cavendish’s protagonist talks to sentient animals about various scientific theories, including atomic theory, before traveling home in a submarine when she hears that her homeland is under threat.

    Debit cards: Edward Bellamy, 1888

    Edward Bellamy’s novel Looking Backward: 2000 to 1887 featured an American utopian society that used so-called “credit cards”. Bellamy’s concept actually relates more to debit cards and spending social security dividends than borrowing from a bank. The main character describes how people are given a stated amount of credit on their card to purchase goods from the public storehouses:
    “You observe,” he pursued as I was curiously examining the piece of pasteboard he gave me, “that this card is issued for a certain number of dollars. We have kept the old word, but not the substance…The value of what I procure on this card is checked off by the clerk, who pricks out of these tiers of squares the price of what I order.”
    Debit cards and credit cards would be invented more than 60 years later.

    Atomic bomb: H.G. Wells, 1914

    One of the most unfortunate legacies of science fiction is the genre’s inspiration for the atomic bomb. In The World Set Free, H.G. Wells predicted that a new type of bomb fueled by nuclear reactions would be detonated in the 1956. It happened even sooner than he thought. Physicist Leó Szilárd apparently read Wells’s book and patented the idea. Szilárd was later directly involved in the Manhattan Project, which led to the tragedy of nuclear bombs being dropped on Japan in 1945. Strikingly, Wells not only spelled out the idea of a sustained atomic reaction, he also predicted the moral and ethical horror that people would feel upon the use of atomic bombs, and the radioactive ruin that would last long after the bomb was dropped.

    Microwavable heat-n-eat food: Robert Heinlein, 1948

    In Space Cadet, famous sci-fi author Robert Heinlein took the newly invented microwave one step further by predicting the rise of ready-to-eat, microwavable food:

    “Theoretically every ration taken aboard a Patrol vessel is pre-cooked and ready for eating as soon as it is taken out of freeze and subjected to the number of seconds, plainly marked on the package, of high-frequency heating required.”

    It took a few decades before Heinlein’s vision became an everyday reality.
    Heinlein is also credited with inventing the waterbed, remote actuators ("Waldoes" named after Waldo, the eponymous character in his novel "Waldo"), and describing the most efficient way to travel to the moon and back (3 vessels, 2 space stations).
    In Friday, a 1982 science fiction novel, he predicted the world wide web and wikipedia, where huge databases were available for those with insatiable curiosity.
    He was barely ahead of technology. Research at CERN in Switzerland by British computer scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989–90 resulted in the World Wide Web, linking hypertext documents into an information system, accessible from any node on the network.


    MY PREDICTIONS?
    [cracked crystal ball mode on]
    If there is no breakthrough in land based transportation, electric traction rail (steel wheel on steel rail) will become the dominant form for the remainder of the 21st century.
    *Battery Electric Vehicles* are very inefficient, being pneumatic tire on pavement, and require a large public subsidy. Not to mention that lithium reserves are insufficient to support a 1:1 replacement for 286.9 million registered cars (in the USA). Private BEVs will likely be limited to those who are relatively wealthy.

    However, electric unicycles might become widespread, as an adjunct to accessing public transportation. Heinlein predicted them in "The Roads Must Roll."
    https://youtu.be/yz3BMor4jso
    Modern electric unicycles could be the means by which urbanites can enjoy the convenience of door to station transport, and take their wheels along for the ride.

    Based on the growing concern over ecological damage caused by fracking and mining oil shale, those alternative (and expensive) fuel sources will be scaled back, triggering a crisis in supply of petroleum in 2025-2030. The jump in fuel costs will affect food prices (dependent upon mechanical agriculture), and shipping long distances will support the resumption of locally grown foodstuffs, on a smaller scale.

    Home grown foodstuffs will skyrocket in volume - not price. Which, in turn, will depress the market for those particular items.
    (Search on Kratky hydroponics)
    Hi, your posts seem weighted massively to physicalistic explorations...

    I ask the following, because if so, I surely missed it -
    Do you hold space in your world view for what folks call, the paranormal? If so, I hope to read your considerations along these lines. [I appreciate your brilliance]
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    The question was "How do you see the next 50 yrs" I haven't read the thread... But in my world I see a future where I would like to live in happiness with abundance... So therefore I am being proactive in creating it... What's so hard?

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