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    All hell is breaking loose in Kazakhstan. This article was published on Zero Hedge on 4 January:

    https://zerohedge.com/energy/kazakhs...uel-price-hike

    State Of Emergency Declared In Kazakhstan's Largest City After Fuel Price Riots, Internet Cut


    Large-scale protests in Kazakhstan are growing more fierce by the day, with video emerging from major cities showing police vehicles being attacked and set on fire, as authorities try to clamp down on a third consecutive day of rage against a sudden rise in fuel prices after authorities lifted price caps on liquefied petroleum gas (LPG).

    In what marks a very rare example of mass public dissent in the former Soviet republic which has one-party rule, protests which erupted last weekend centered in the oil-rich western Mangystau region have now spread across multiple towns and cities including several oil-producing hubs.


    Protests in Almaty, 4 January

    Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev is warning citizens against violating a blanket protest ban order, while also urging dialogue.

    Even before the energy crisis this week, large political assemblies were only permitted by filing a legal request from authorities, underscoring the unprecedented nature of people taking to the streets en mass. Overnight, authorities have declared a "state of emergency" for the city of Almaty.

    Rapidly spinning out of control...

    https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status...69466891730955
    https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/sta...70949196517383
    Local reports say a strict curfew of 11pm-7am has been imposed in Almaty. "Movements of private vehicles restricted. Entrance and exit from Almaty restricted," sources say.
    Over the past days video footage has captured larger and larger crowds, in some cases appearing in the tens of thousands, taking over city streets.

    https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/s...21890721095689


    https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/s...38509006438402


    "Calls to attack government and military offices are absolutely illegal," Tokayev warned the country in a Tuesday video address. "The government will not fall but we want mutual trust and dialogue rather than conflict."

    Yet judging by the on the ground footage continuing to spread on social media, and as protests reach the country's largest metropolis of Almaty - despite what now appears a significant disruption in national internet services - President Tokayev's appeal for calm is being met with rioting against security forces.

    https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/sta...40525443260419


    https://twitter.com/jardemalie/statu...14469734428676


    US regional sources have documented that "The price per liter of LNG jumped to 120 tenge (28 U.S. cents) at gas stations in Mangystau at the start of this year, compared with a price of 50-60 tenge (12-14 cents) in 2021." Thus overnight the price of taxi fares at least tripled in many places.

    This in a country where the average household might make the equivalent of $250 a month, and where minimum wage equals just over $65 per month. There are now fears the crisis could get worse if protests grip oil-producing hubs to the point of affecting domestic output.

    https://twitter.com/russian_market/s...54629864202263


    https://twitter.com/lazer314/status/1478440389128429580


    Generally protesters have been demanding that the price of gas be brought back down to the 60 tenge range.

    Meanwhile, mass arrests are being reported are expected to grow as the government struggles to stamp out the protests...

    Last week, analysis in The New York Times linked the potential for coming unrest in Central Asian societies to Europe's own energy price crisis: "Attracted by high prices, energy companies are instructing ships carrying liquefied natural gas to change their destinations from Asia to Europe, but even that switching may not be enough to replace Russian gas or significantly ease the crunch."

    For now it appears the authorities are preparing for a major crackdown...

    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_A/status/1478480410082435080

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    Troops from the Moscow-led Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) have been deployed to Kazakhstan after unrest across the Central Asian nation, sparked in part by a spike in fuel prices, turned deadly.

    According to officials on January 6, police killed "dozens" of protesters and detained around 2,000 people over the past day in violent clashes that prompted President Qasym-Zhomart Toqaev to ask the CSTO, a military alliance comprised of several former Soviet republics in the region along with Russia, to enter the country to help "stabilize" the situation.

    https://www.kazakhstannews.net/news/...g-turns-deadly

    Armenian Troops, not Russian supposedly.

    Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...d/int/csto.htm



    Bigger reasons than domestic fuel prices....

    Kazakhstan is the top global producer of uranium

    It is also the world's second largest miner of bitcoin
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...tan/ar-AASvl9g
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    Default Re: Turmoil in Kazakhstan

    It does look like the forces sent are only there to protect government buildings and other strategic locations like fuel or gas facilities

    On Telegram and other places, messages like this one are being shared by the government:

    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation recommends Russians in Kazakhstan to observe increased personal security measures, avoid places of demonstrations, riots and if possible, take shelter in hotels or houses. Stock up on essential food and supplies

    Russian Foreign Ministry has opened a "hotline":
    e-mail for communication — dskc@mid.ru.
    Call Center phone - +7(495) 695 45 45
    Quote МИД РФ напоминает о рекомендации россиянам в Казахстане соблюдать повышенные меры личной безопасности, избегать мест демонстраций, беспорядков, по возможности укрыться в гостиницах, домах, запастись продуктами первой необходимости

    В МИД России открыта «горячая линия»:
    электронная почта для связи — dskc@mid.ru.
    телефон Call-центра - +7(495) 695 45 45
    No one is there to save anyone, apparently. There was news that an army Company was sent from Belorussia, that's just around 100/200 soldiers so they are not going to fight anyone back for sure, or take control of the country to enforce a stop to the protests. Other countries will probably send as many soldiers as Belorussia did, so is not really a big force than can be used for anything but to protect some strategic buildings, never enough to take control of the country and stop all protesters, specially since it looks like a lot of them are trained and using rifles to attack the army with good results
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    Default Re: Turmoil in Kazakhstan

    More, published today:
    Dozens Killed As Kazakh Police Battle For Control Of Streets In 'War Zone' - Banks Being Looted



    Security officials in Kazakhstan admitted they've killed dozens of anti-government rioters in the large main city of Almaty, after alleging the protesters attempted to storm and take control of several police stations. Authorities have labeled the massive fuel protests which have brought the country to the brink of collapse as fueled by "terrorists" and manipulated by "outside interference". Now with Russian support, it's looking like Kazakh authorities will intensify their crackdown.

    WATCH: video montage showing various locations where running battles and large protests are continuing...


    Russian troops are en route to help restore order after an urgent decision by the Russian-led regional security bloc Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). "The CSTO confirmed Russian paratroopers were being dispatched as peacekeepers, with advance units already deployed," BBC reports Thursday.

    (The long article, with many tweeted videos, continues)

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    Very interesting, that this would happen was known since 16 December?

    Previously, it was said that the protests were because after new year the prices of fuel and gas went up, but then how does that explain this knowledge of the future events? Also, this date (16 December) may be when this document was posted, but clearly they must have known from before, since they require time to elaborate a report of these future events



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    Quote This group promoting the protests in Kazakhstan, NetBlocks, is not a neutral "internet freedom" group; it's a US government-backed operation funded by the US govt's Open Technology Fund, a project of CIA-created propaganda outlet Radio Free Asia

    It's a regime-change organization


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    Default Re: Turmoil in Kazakhstan

    The narrative already started, as usual




    Looks like I am B may be very correct here
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1473285
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    Default Re: Turmoil in Kazakhstan

    These are the battles being waged in Kazakhstan right now.
    https://youtu.be/eDsbVhmXZ6k

    What is going on in his central Asian country of 19 million people? The number one and two reasons the people revolted was high prices of fuel brought on by globalist reductions of "carbon based fuels". The other reason is they want the vaccines to STOP.

    Russia has sent several thousand troops to back up the government and prevent the total overthrow of the government. This is part of their long standing 30 year agreement to back each other up in case of an uprising like this.
    Another reason this is happening is because of US control of oil and gas resources in that country. There are numerous rumors that the US and wealthy elite groups orchestrated this revolution in secret the same way it was started in Ukraine. A play for power in this country of Kazakhstan is along the same lines of setting up puppet governments in Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, Ossetia, Moldova, the Balkan nations, and the the three Baltic nations in northern Europe. It is all part of the plan to surround Russia and threaten their defenses. The Russians see this clearly, but the main stream media won't say a word about it.

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    And there it goes, it spreads like a virus... lol

    Adulting, not an easy game! Specially for some people in particular. This is the kind of people that are so ignorant, you can't help wonder how they got into their political positions, or managed to grow up at all

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    As far as the conspiracy that there are groups intervening from the outside, i want to find a video that shows what rifles are they using to attack the army and police

    The official standard issue rifle for the Kazakhstan army is the AK-74. I read that the explanation as to how some people had rifles and ammo was that they managed to loot army bases and so on. Then, if that's true, they should have AK-74 rifles. It would be "problematic", to say the least, if the videos show people using AK-47, such as the ones used by middle eastern jihadists. Then we could start thinking about the conspiracy being true, that there are external forces fighting there.

    I have not been able to find a video that shows clear enough what rifle they are using, both Ak-74 and AK-47 look very similar but there are details that allows you to see one from the other, but for that it needs to be displayed clearly at least for a couple seconds. And i have not been able to see that yet

    If the citizens looted army arsenals there's no way they could have AK-47 rifles for all of them, even if there were some around, which there always are for training and so, but not enough to build a small army that fights against army and cops. That's just not right at all

    If anyone has a video where normal citizens are shooting rifles please post it here, thanks

    See this for example, this is a sniper rifle, a Dragunov, impossible for me to say how old is that one, but lots of countries use that rifle, even US forces sometimes are trained with it. It doesn't look like a modern version of it, looks more like the ones from the 70/80s, so it could have come from anywhere, it makes it hard to figure out if it came from the Kazakhstan army reserves stock
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_sniper_rifle


    It makes me wonder, how do civilians would know how to use such a rifle? It's a Sniper rifle, you can't just shoot it around all over the place like you would an AK-47 for example. It's not a rudimentary rifle that you can just press the trigger and it goes off all over the place. People need training for months and months just to be able to hit something, and just shooting it around it's impossible, it's not a machine gun. For me it looks very suspicious they delivered that rifle to some random guy on the street
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    Thats a great amount of info! ^^

    I'm spending some time in Russia, and it is a hot topic now. All I can add for now, from the close people I have around with whom I talked about, everyone mentions Maidan.

    The question in my head right now is if its a foreign influence added to destabilise Russia, or a Russian affair to reunite valuable Kazakhstan, which could be very much true too.

    Btw Mashika many of your post links are blocked. Don't know if its only for me.

    We're celebrating christmas now, but If i manage to take a glimpse to Russian MSM narrative etc I may be able to help a bit more.

    Update: We know more than most Kazakhs. They have internet a short amount of time a day and news are actually scarce. As mentiones they recieve info through government sms
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    there are a bunch of posts making the rounds on telegram suggesting that the protests are really about covid restrictions and protests about fuel prices are just the cover..
    apparently unvaxxed people have been prevented from withdrawing their money etc.
    there are claims the government has been overthrown already and police and military are in chaos.
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    Quote Posted by meat suit (here)
    There are a bunch of posts making the rounds on telegram suggesting that the protests are really about covid restrictions and protests about fuel prices are just the cover..
    apparently unvaxxed people have been prevented from withdrawing their money etc.
    there are claims the government has been overthrown already and police and military are in chaos.
    Yes. Houman posted this on his thread. Is this correct?

    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    Quote @alane69 claims Kazahkstan is experiencing a revolution after the "government" enforced denying the unvaccinated access to their money in the bank.
    https://odysee.com/@Plazma:9/KazakhstanSuccess:6
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    I have contact with a kazakh person in the country. I asked her about the protest reasons. She didn't notice what was going on beside the protests until her internet went out and suddenly all went crazy with the gov sms etc. She said she didn't get news at all and we probably knew more. She doesn't seem to have internet yet, since she hasn't answered.

    Anyways, despite being so close to the border I unfortunately don't have any kazakh language speakers here, but if by any chance you do, you could try to translate the speaker on this video.

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    Quote Posted by I am B (here)
    Thats a great amount of info! ^^

    I'm spending some time in Russia, and it is a hot topic now. All I can add for now, from the close people I have around with whom I talked about, everyone mentions Maidan.

    The question in my head right now is if its a foreign influence added to destabilise Russia, or a Russian affair to reunite valuable Kazakhstan, which could be very much true too.

    Btw Mashika many of your post links are blocked. Don't know if its only for me.

    We're celebrating christmas now, but If i manage to take a glimpse to Russian MSM narrative etc I may be able to help a bit more.

    Update: We know more than most Kazakhs. They have internet a short amount of time a day and news are actually scarce. As mentiones they recieve info through government sms
    Fixed the links, thanks B

    Happy Christmas

    Russian MSM, check this guy, who as usual keeps pushing hard his nonesense narrative about an almost 100% confirmed invasion of Ukraine


    He is a 'journalist' working for Carnegie, supporters of the corrupt Memorial organization that got shutdown at the end of December

    He also writes for the Moscow Times, who everyone knows is a fake "Russian" news site and is fully paid for by the US and other western countries
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/author/alexander-baunov

    So there's not much to read or watch that is not in one way or another manipulated in Russian MSM. I think more actual valid info comes from telegram and even other sites like twitter
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    More evidence of a planned coup, the "leader" of the opposition is working with the activists to take down the government and make the country unstable, so that he can come in and setup a provisional government, a west friendly one

    https://akipress.com/news:666793:Muk...in_Kazakhstan/
    Quote AKIPRESS.COM - Mukhtar Ablyazov, a former banker wanted in Kazakhstan who is leader of an opposition movement called Democratic Choice of Kazakhstan, said the West needed to enter the fray.

    "If not, then Kazakhstan will turn into Belarus and [Russian President Vladimir] Putin will methodically impose his programme - the recreation of a structure like the Soviet Union," Ablyazov told Reuters from Paris in Russian.

    "Kazakhstan is now in geopolitical play," he said. "Russia has already entered, sent in troops. CSTO is Russia. This is an occupation by Russia."

    Wanted at home for fraud and embezzlement, Ablyazov lives in France where he has been granted refugee status. He has dismissed all the charges against him in Russia and Kazakhstan as politically motivated.

    Ablyazov cast himself as the leader of the opposition protests and said he was consulted every day on tactics on the ground in Almaty.

    "I see myself as the leader of the opposition," he said. . "Every day the protesters call me and ask: 'What should we do? We are standing here: What should we do?'"


    He said he was ready to fly into Kazakhstan to head a provisional government if the protests escalated and said his activists were awaiting him.

    "The West should tear Kazakhstan away from Russia," he said. "The West must help so that Putin cannot occupy this country, the West must help civil society elect its leaders so that the country can choose its path, a democratic path like in the West."
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    This appears to me to be an organic uprising. When the price of gas went up it was simply a tipping point unleashing frustration on a much broader scale. Of the five Central Asian republics that gained independence following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Kazakhstan is by far the largest and the wealthiest. It spans a territory the size of Western Europe and sits atop colossal reserves of oil, natural gas, uranium and precious metals. Yet the average monthly household income per capita sits at less than $600

    Kazakhstan is now in geopolitical play and as is ever apparent Putin is an opportunist with a publicly stated desire to recreate the Soviet Union. Russia has already entered Kazakhstan by sending CSTO troops. There is not a person in Central Asia, the Balkans or Northern Europe that does not understand that CSTO is actually Russia.

    To me what is happening in Kazakhstan is both a nightmare and an opportunity for Russia. Russia has a long and inextricable relationship with Kazakstan but the nightmare of Kazakstan may be a trailer for the movie that will at some point play out in Russia.

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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    This appears to me to be an organic uprising. When the price of gas went up it was simply a tipping point unleashing frustration on a much broader scale. Of the five Central Asian republics that gained independence following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Kazakhstan is by far the largest and the wealthiest. It spans a territory the size of Western Europe and sits atop colossal reserves of oil, natural gas, uranium and precious metals. Yet the average monthly household income per capita sits at less than $600

    Kazakhstan is now in geopolitical play and as is ever apparent Putin is an opportunist with a publicly stated desire to recreate the Soviet Union. Russia has already entered Kazakhstan by sending CSTO troops. There is not a person in Central Asia, the Balkans or Northern Europe that does not understand that CSTO is actually Russia.

    To me what is happening in Kazakhstan is both a nightmare and an opportunity for Russia. Russia has a long and inextricable relationship with Kazakstan but the nightmare of Kazakstan may be a trailer for the movie that will at some point play out in Russia.
    It was known and planned since early December, there's nothing 'Organic' about it, see my post above about that

    There is also evidence that the opposition had planned it and are following a plan, with an expected outcome

    Since you said this is "organic", let me ask you the following

    1. How many times have you seen regular citizens suddenly being able to handle rifles out of nowhere?
    2. How many times have you seen someone pick a rifle and then immediately be able to shoot at cops and army and not run scared after a few shots, but instead keep the fight going on for hours?
    3. Do regular citizens after protests, usually behead cops they managed to capture?

    And finally, Why did the US knew in advance but said nothing, and then pretend that they did not know at all and it was 'a surprise and unexpected event'?

    The evidence is mounting to the contrary of your assumption. Did you know that the opposition leader is hiding and that it was found that the group headquarters leading to this coup attempt is located in Kiev, Ukraine, and that they are illegals there? They don't have any kind of visa or permit to be on Kiev, or have offices there. And the Ukrainian gov paid a visit to them just a day or two ago...

    Quote There is not a person in Central Asia, the Balkans or Northern Europe that does not understand that CSTO is actually Russia.
    Just like there is no person on this planet with good education that doesn't already know that NATO is the cannon fodder and puppet army of the US

    Yet i have not seen any of your posts exposing the truth of that madness of invasions, destruction and death NATO leaves on its wake every year

    The list only grows longer and longer by the year, almost closing in on 60 countries or so, yet you remain silent about it for some reason

    At least the CSTO was officially invited to help, by the official government. Unlike NATO that invites itself to other countries and then stays there until there's nothing left, then leaves to find another 'host'

    This is not about Russia, as much as you and your guys want to make it so to have another excuse to destroy more lives and another country, this is not "organic" it has been displayed in several ways, people trained to kill, opposition leader talking about a take over, evidence the US knew this in advance at least one month ago and knew exactly where and how things would develop.

    Please be honest here, lives are and will continue to be lost. What is the most important thing to you, in the big scope of things?
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    An update from earlier today

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    Riots in Kazakhstan. What is known by this hour:

    — as reported by @sputnikKZ, the anti-terrorist operation in Alma-Ata continues. Gunfire is heard in the city center. Citizens help the police to identify suspicious groups of people. Criminals hide in small squares and parks;
    - The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan informs about the detention of foreign citizens. In total, 4266 people were taken to the police;
    — more than 100 people were detained in one of the villages of the Alma-Ata region. According to preliminary data, these are citizens of a neighboring state;
    - a cache of weapons (several units of machine guns and pistols) was found in the settlement of Zhambyl region;
    - the total amount of damage to business from the riots increased to $202 million;
    - it is planned to resume air service in Aktau. Flights to Nur-Sultan, Shymkent, Istanbul and Moscow will be carried out today;
    - Access to wired Internet has been resumed in the capital of Kazakhstan Nur-Sultan, TASS reports;
    - in Kazakhstan, an investigation has been launched against 180 retail sellers of liquefied gas.
    "
    Quote Беспорядки в Казахстане. Что известно к этому часу:
    — как сообщает @sputnikKZ, антитеррористическая операция в Алма-Ате продолжается. В центре города слышна стрельба. Горожане помогают полиции выявлять подозрительные группы людей. Преступники прячутся в небольших скверах и парках;
    — МВД Казахстана сообщает о задержании иностранных граждан. Всего же в органы полиции доставлены 4266 человек;
    — в одном из сёл Алма-Атинской области задержаны более 100 человек. По предварительным данным, это граждане соседнего государства;
    — в населённом пункте Жамбылской области обнаружен схрон оружия (несколько единиц автоматов и пистолетов);
    — общая сумма ущерба бизнесу от беспорядков выросла до $202 млн;
    — в Актау планируется возобновить авиасообщение. Уже сегодня будут выполнены рейсы в Нур-Султан, Чимкент, Стамбул и Москву;
    — в столице Казахстана Нур-Султане вновь возобновлён доступ к проводному интернету, сообщает ТАСС;
    — в Казахстане начали расследование в отношении 180 розничных реализаторов сжиженного газа.
    We shall see in the following hours/days if any of this information is true. But by looking at the first videos before internet was shutdown, it does look like a lot of guns were being distributed to people out there on the street at what looked like "pick up points". And hearing about the gun fights, those people were not afraid of getting into a heavy gun fight, that just alone tells you those are not regular citizens

    But we shall see
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    The friend just managed to answer:

    Banks are not working
    Cards are not working because of the internet
    ATMs are moneyless.
    Most of the protests are south, specially in Almati.
    She lives in Nur-Sultan, so there are no protests in her city

    With the hit "Glorious Bitcoin" Recieved, and the huge unavailability of money through cards etc, makes it so scary to go towards a Cashless society...

    On the other hand, about what is being discussed:
    I genuinely can't tell who did what or who is behind who, but while Russia may have no real right to get there boots on ground, it boils my blood to see some of the statements of US officials while talking about a country halfway around the world. And if i have to trust my impressions, they look WAY more interested into it than they should.
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