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    Default The True Cost and Myth of Clean Energy

    Of course, we are all in favor of clean energy but are we all aware of the human and environmental costs associated with pursuing electric cars and wind turbines. There is a fairly high degree of intentional ignorance cultivated by governments and media regarding the actual costs associated with these technologies. The aim should be to provide a cleaner and safer world for everyone, not just those consuming the technologies but also those being exploited to create the technology.

    There is a place for these energies but we should no longer remain ignorant about the true costs. Just because we can't see children suffering or the earth being ravaged by bulldozers doesn't mean it is not happening.


    Electric car battery and solar / wind turbines

    In the ongoing euphoria about electric cars and wind power, they have forgotten to report the significant environmentally damaging hidden costs that these are associated with new technologies.



    A car battery for the electric car weighs about 500 kg, the volume is the size of a suitcase. It contains 12 kg of lithium, 30 kg of nickel, 20 kg of manganese, 15 kg of cobalt, 100 kg of copper, 200 kg of aluminum (production is extremely power-hungry), steel and plastic. Inside are 6831 lithium-ion cells.

    It should be of concern that all these toxic components come from mining. For example, to make a car battery, you have to process 10 tons of brine to produce lithium, 15 tons of ore for the cobalt, 2 tons of ore for nickel and 12 tons of ore for the copper. A total of 200 tonnes are dug up from the earth's crust for a single battery.

    Diseases and child labor are found behind 68% of the world's cobalt and a significant part of a battery comes from Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we include all these sick children as part of the cost of an electric car?


    The biggest problem with solar panels is the chemicals needed to process the silicate into silicon used in the panels. To purify silicon sufficiently, it must be treated with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane and acetone. In addition, gallium, arsenide, copper ionidium-gallium-disenide and potassium-teleroid are also needed, which are highly toxic. Silica dust is a danger to workers and cannot be recycled.

    Wind turbines are the ultimate when it comes to hidden costs and environmental degradation. A modern wind turbine weighs 1688 tonnes and contains 1300 tonnes of concrete (foundation), 295 tonnes of steel, 48 tonnes of iron, 24 tonnes of fiberglass and the rare earth metals neodymium, praseodymium and dysprosium. 1000 liters of hydraulic oil are also needed. Each leaf weighs 40 tons and lasts maybe 15-20 years, then they have to be replaced. These sheets cannot be recycled.

    Unfortunately, both solar panels and wind turbines kill birds, bats, marine life and flying insects. The energy and resources that go into building these plants are probably more than the energy they can deliver - if the wind blows right. Each plant must be at a distance from its neighbors, about 1 square kilometer is needed per unit. This means that a "park" of 10 plants requires about 1000 hectares of land. Then add the costs for the land, wide roads, cable works for connection to electricity networks.

    There may be room for these technologies, but one must look beyond the myth of zero emissions and the myth of zero harm to humanity.

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    Default Re: The True Cost and Myth of Clean Energy

    I have read casually that there exist small units of electrical generation which have been running for decades requiring no outside support or assistance. I presume they are self-sustaining magneto systems that would knock out all of the clumsy, complicated devices which presently consume the earth's resources along with their ensuing end pollution. Also, too many governments, banks, industries, jobs and economies rely on these wasteful methods to replace them. One article mentioned an invention which has been running for three or four decades. I believe it was a motionless device. That ought to give an electrical engineer an idea about existing combinations of manipulative components resulting in endless generation without overheating. I suspect there is a long line of such inventors rotting in graves somewhere. Please God we need a visible HELL for the greedy, overlord vagabonds.

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